Melo vs Durant argument

[Knicksfever2010]

People pile on against melo because he never won anything. What exactly did Durant win? Okay so he go to the finals once where lebron embarrassed him.

Durant gets ALOT of help from the refs whereas melo hardly EVER gets any calls his way. If Durant was refereed the same way melo is refereed, he would get 5 less points a game.

I realize melo will never be loved by everyone, but for people to think that Durant is head and shoulders better than melo is just silly.

Look at the supporting cast, has Melo ever had an equal supporting cast? Where is his Westbrook, Jackson, Ibaka?

[Uncle Drew]

What exactly did Durant win?
An MVP award. :hammerhead:

[Mr Exlax]

People pile on against melo because he never won anything. What exactly did Durant win? Okay so he go to the finals once where lebron embarrassed him.

Durant gets ALOT of help from the refs whereas melo hardly EVER gets any calls his way. If Durant was refereed the same way melo is refereed, he would get 5 less points a game.

I realize melo will never be loved by everyone, but for people to think that Durant is head and shoulders better than melo is just silly.

Look at the supporting cast, has Melo ever had an equal supporting cast? Where is his Westbrook, Jackson, Ibaka?

KD competes on both ends of the court. KD uses his supporting cast even when WB went down. There are a few quality players on the Knicks. Low iQ though. Amare was healthy when Melo first got there. They couldn't coexist on the floor. Melo just doesn't have a winner mentality. I don't even know if his game has actually improved. He's more polished than his rookie year, but his overall game nah. Just a volume scorer. Melo sucks as a leader. He needs to be on a team with a leader so that team can succeed.

[Teanett]

melo is a terrible finisher around the rim. i dont know if there's another "superstar" who misses so many shots close to the basket.

[Mr Exlax]

melo is a terrible finisher around the rim. i dont know if there's another "superstar" who misses so many shots close to the basket.

He gets fouled on those attempts though bro. He doesn't get the call, but they hack the shit outta him.

[fpliii]

There is no argument...

KD is an all-time great talent. Melo isn't a legitimate superstar in terms of impact. Knicks fans deserve better.

[Demitri98]

What exactly did Durant win?

What has he accomplished?

1 MVP award
4 scoring titles
5 All-NBA 1st teams
2 WCFs
1 Finals run

Career 27.4/6.9/3.5/1/1.3 on 47/37/88

As for Melo?

1 scoring title
1 WCF
1 All-NBA 2nd team
1 All-NBA 3rd team

Career 25.2/6.5/3.1/.5/1.1 on 45/34/81

[imdaman99]

I don't like Melo but even if you give him only Westbrook, they would compete in the Eastern Conference Finals every year. Melo is not the leader I/we thought he was when he was first came to the Knicks.

[fpliii]

I don't like Melo but even if you give him only Westbrook, they would compete in the Eastern Conference Finals every year. Melo is not the leader I/we thought he was when he was first came to the Knicks.
As much as I dislike Melo, he's the only reason to turn on MSG. That supporting cast is pure garbage. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Going to be great for you guys to shed a lot of dead weight this summer. Hopefully you can rid yourselves of J.R. too, but at worst one more season after this one of him.

[imdaman99]

As much as I dislike Melo, he's the only reason to turn on MSG. That supporting cast is pure garbage. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Going to be great for you guys to shed a lot of dead weight this summer. Hopefully you can rid yourselves of J.R. too, but at worst one more season after this one of him.
I'm convinced JR will re-sign for the minimum here on the Knicks because he gets to party in NYC :facepalm

That's when I hope Phil says, thanks but no thanks now gtfo here :oldlol:

Us Knicks fans have suffered long enough. We need a winner. I think every NY sports team sucks this year... I don't watch hockey :oldlol:

[Real14]

He gets fouled on those attempts though bro. He doesn't get the call, but they hack the shit outta him.
This.

[Jlamb47]

Melo had Iverson and he didnt do much with him. Durant > Melo and its not an argument

[Real14]

Melo had Iverson and he didnt do much with him. Durant > Melo and its not an argument
It wasn't 01 Iverson tho, and it wasn't 13 Melo.

[JohnMax]

Durant regular season fg is 47.9
......................playoffs is 46.2

Melo regular season fg is 45.5
...................playoffs is 41.7

[pegasus]

People pile on against melo because he never won anything. What exactly did Durant win? Okay so he go to the finals once where lebron embarrassed him.

Durant gets ALOT of help from the refs whereas melo hardly EVER gets any calls his way. If Durant was refereed the same way melo is refereed, he would get 5 less points a game.

I realize melo will never be loved by everyone, but for people to think that Durant is head and shoulders better than melo is just silly.

Look at the supporting cast, has Melo ever had an equal supporting cast? Where is his Westbrook, Jackson, Ibaka?
How the hell did Lebron embarrass KD? I know KD didn't play as well as his numbers would suggest, but nor did Lebron. He shot less than 20% from outside the paint, depended heavily on the referees and his teammates' ridiculous shooting. KD's supporting cast (other than WB) laid an egg, and Lebron's teammates made an omelet with it in the shape of a ring.

[Kblaze8855]

There has not been a reasonable argument to be made with Durant vs Melo for like 3 years. A case could easily be made that Durant was as good as Melo ever was by his third season. This question will be laughable in retrospect.

It really wont even be worth talking about unless Durant falls off soon due to injury.

Durant could be in top 15 all time discussions.

If the NBA did its top 50 all time over right now Melo wouldnt make it. If you wanted to ignore accomplishments you could drop maybe 6 guys from the first list of 50 for Melo...but you would have to add too many before you got down to him.

Melo is a HOF player along the lines of Alex English...

Kevin Durant is gonna end up next to some of the best of the best.

[Top Gun]

There is no argument. KD has surpassed Melo by far.

[CeilingFan#1]

People pile on against melo because he never won anything. What exactly did Durant win? Okay so he go to the finals once where lebron embarrassed him.

Durant gets ALOT of help from the refs whereas melo hardly EVER gets any calls his way. If Durant was refereed the same way melo is refereed, he would get 5 less points a game.

I realize melo will never be loved by everyone, but for people to think that Durant is head and shoulders better than melo is just silly.

Look at the supporting cast, has Melo ever had an equal supporting cast? Where is his Westbrook, Jackson, Ibaka?

Lets see...

Durant: Rookie of the Year, All-Star MVP, NBA MVP

Melo:

[MellowYellow]

There is no argument. KD has surpassed Melo by far.
There is an argument, Melo could take OKC just as far if not further.

[CeilingFan#1]

I don't like Melo but even if you give him only Westbrook, they would compete in the Eastern Conference Finals every year. Melo is not the leader I/we thought he was when he was first came to the Knicks.

That is because it is the Eastern Conference. Heck, if you REPLACE Melo with Westbrook the Knicks may be able to make it to the ECF.

[Top Gun]

There is an argument, Melo could take OKC just as far if not further.

Disagree, while Melo is close to KD offensively, he's nowhere near his level as a defender.

[MellowYellow]

That is because it is the Eastern Conference. Heck, if you REPLACE Melo with Westbrook the Knicks may be able to make it to the ECF.
NO :facepalm

[MellowYellow]

Disagree, while Melo is close to KD offensively, he's nowhere near his level as a defender.
KD is not special at defense get out of here. KD is slightly above average, and Melo is average not a big difference.

[CeilingFan#1]

There is an argument, Melo could take OKC just as far if not further.

NO :facepalm

[MellowYellow]

NO :facepalm
He took less to the wcf..
I WIN!

[CeilingFan#1]

He took less to the wcf..
I WIN!

You are hilarious. He got through 2 rounds once, congrats. And now he will be in the lottery in one of the worst conferences of all time. Demitri98 had a good summary of their careers:


What has he accomplished?

1 MVP award
4 scoring titles
5 All-NBA 1st teams
2 WCFs
1 Finals run

Career 27.4/6.9/3.5/1/1.3 on 47/37/88

As for Melo?

1 scoring title
1 WCF
1 All-NBA 2nd team
1 All-NBA 3rd team

Career 25.2/6.5/3.1/.5/1.1 on 45/34/81

[MellowYellow]

You are hilarious. He got through 2 rounds once, congrats. And now he will be in the lottery in one of the worst conferences of all time. Demitri98 had a good summary of their careers:

Looks pretty close to me, when you factor in superior teammates and ref favoritism they are almost equals.

[Kblaze8855]

Looks pretty close to me

I think even you would have to admit you arent the one to ask.

[CeilingFan#1]

Looks pretty close to me, when you factor in superior teammates and ref favoritism they are almost equals.

You are unbelievably delusional. Durant leads in every category. Awards, playoff success, points, rebounds, assists, and shooting percentage in all 3 categories. Melo has absolutely nothing on Durant and you think there is an argument for him as being better "because refs."

[MellowYellow]

What has he accomplished?

1 MVP award
4 scoring titles
5 All-NBA 1st teams
2 WCFs
1 Finals run

Career 27.4/6.9/3.5/1/1.3 on 47/37/88

As for Melo?

1 scoring title
1 WCF
2 All-NBA 2nd team
4 All-NBA 3rd team

Career 25.2/6.5/3.1/.5/1.1 on 45/34/81

fixed that for you

[Knicksfever2010]

Melo vs Durant career stats

Melo 25.2 ppg, Durant 27.4 ppg
Melo 6.5 rebounds per game, Durant 6.9 rebounds per game
Melo 3.1 assists per game, Durant 3.6 assists per game
Melo .455 fg%, Durant .479 fg%

Numbers are almost identical across the board. They are pretty much the same player. I'm not too worried about personal achievement awards, look at who his competition was for rookie of the year (lebron)

[CeilingFan#1]

fixed that for you

Well that changes everything :oldlol:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Durant wins in every category you posted as well as MVPs, Conference Finals, and not having his girl compared to a bowl of cheerios

Westbrook > both of them anyway

[CeilingFan#1]

Melo vs Durant career stats

Melo 25.2 ppg, Durant 27.4 ppg
Melo 6.5 rebounds per game, Durant 6.9 rebounds per game
Melo 3.1 assists per game, Durant 3.6 assists per game
Melo .455 fg%, Durant .479 fg%

Numbers are almost identical across the board. They are pretty much the same player. I'm not too worried about personal achievement awards, look at who his competition was for rookie of the year (lebron)

"Nearly identical," but Durant leading in all of those categories. Melo doesn't have an edge anywhere. And lol at your last sentence. It isn't like ROY was the only award Durant had over Melo.

[Real14]

Durant wins in every category you posted as well as MVPs, Conference Finals, and not having his girl compared to a bowl of cheerios

Westbrook > both of them anyway
REPORTED.

[fragokota]

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[Knicksfever2010]

"Nearly identical," but Durant leading in all of those categories. Melo doesn't have an edge anywhere. And lol at your last sentence. It isn't like ROY was the only award Durant had over Melo.

every stat I posted are nearly identical, okay so carmelo averages ONE LESS basket than Durant, but yet Durant flails/flops and gets alot of bs foul calls and earns alot of cheap points at the line. Melo doesnt get the same calls. People acting like Durant is another level than Melo but their numbers are almost identical.

http://i.imgur.com/ndqiT.jpg

[iamgine]

every stat I posted are nearly identical, okay so carmelo averages ONE LESS basket than Durant, but yet Durant flails/flops and gets alot of bs foul calls and earns alot of cheap points at the line. Melo doesnt get the same calls. People acting like Durant is another level than Melo but their numbers are almost identical.

uh no 60 TS% vs 54 TS%

that's a huge difference.

[Knicksfever2010]

uh no 60 TS% vs 54 TS%

that's a huge difference.

are you dumb or just stupid, points per game! one less basket, OH NO

[Demitri98]

Melo vs Durant career stats

Melo 25.2 ppg, Durant 27.4 ppg
Melo 6.5 rebounds per game, Durant 6.9 rebounds per game
Melo 3.1 assists per game, Durant 3.6 assists per game
Melo .455 fg%, Durant .479 fg%

Numbers are almost identical across the board. They are pretty much the same player. I'm not too worried about personal achievement awards, look at who his competition was for rookie of the year (lebron)
Durant's assist numbers are watered down from earlier in his career. He has much better vision and is a much better passer/playmaker than he was early in his career. Melo, on the other hand, has showed little to no improvement in that area.

Durant's APG stats:
08: 2.4
09: 2.8
10: 2.8
11: 2.7
12: 3.5
13: 4.6
14: 5.5

Notice the rapid increase in assists from 12-14, showing his huge improvement in that area.

Carmelo's APG stats:
04: 2.8
05: 2.6
06: 2.7
07: 3.8
08: 3.4
09: 3.4
10: 3.2
11: 2.9
12: 2.6
13: 2.6
14: 3.1

Notice how there is very little overall long-term difference. The difference between his best and worst year is just 1.2 APG.

This also does not count making good passes in the flow of the offense and moving the ball around from player to player effectively to get yourself or a teammate an open shot. Have you seen some of those pretty bounce passes Durant makes? It's basketball poetry in motion.

[CeilingFan#1]

are you dumb or just stupid, points per game! one less basket, OH NO

Melo fans only caring about ppg. Nothing new to see here, folks.

[iamgine]

are you dumb or just stupid, points per game! one less basket, OH NO
60+ TS% vs 54 TS% is huge.

[Milbuck]

Durant at his best last year reached a level that blows anything Melo has done out of the water. And it's not too close.

It's like comparing Harden to prime Wade or Kobe.

[Demitri98]

Melo fans only caring about ppg. Nothing new to see here, folks.

Durant: 27.4

Melo: 25.2

Anything more to be said? Durant is a better scorer, passer, rebounder, defender, leader, teammate and glue guy than Melo will ever be.

[CeilingFan#1]

Durant: 27.4

Melo: 25.2

Anything more to be said? Durant is a better scorer, passer, rebounder, defender, leader, teammate and glue guy than Melo will ever be.

Seriously. Only Melo stans can't see what is obvious to everybody else.

[Fudge]

:roll:

There is no argument, *******. Never was, never will be. Melo is one of the biggest NBA losers that the league has ever seen.

[MellowYellow]

Melo 23 6 3 on 45% shooting > Durant 22 4 3 on 45% shooting

Has KD ever even had a 60 point game?:confusedshrug:

[Myth]

Melo 23 6 3 on 45% shooting > Durant 22 4 3 on 45% shooting

Did this fool just pull out averages after Durant has played 3 games returning from injury. Damn you are desperate for an argument :roll:

[dunksby]

Did this fool just pull out averages after Durant has played 3 games returning from injury. Damn you are desperate for an argument :roll:
Durant at 50% is comparable to Melo :lol

[SugarHill]

Melo 23 6 3 on 45% shooting > Durant 22 4 3 on 45% shooting

Has KD ever even had a 60 point game?:confusedshrug:
grasping for straws :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Melo 23 6 3 on 45% shooting > Durant 22 4 3 on 45% shooting

Has KD ever even had a 60 point game?:confusedshrug:

So you've basically admitted Carmelo isn't even better than Durant coming off of an injury

[LoneyROY7]

Melo 23 6 3 on 45% shooting > Durant 22 4 3 on 45% shooting

Has KD ever even had a 60 point game?:confusedshrug:

Probably not the time to be posting in defense of Melo these days. :lol

[PsychoBe]

Melo 23 6 3 on 45% shooting > Durant 22 4 3 on 45% shooting

Has KD ever even had a 60 point game?:confusedshrug:

has melo ever had a finals game? :confusedshrug:

[bizil]

Easily Durant! But a few years ago when Durant was getting his feet wet, Melo had the edge. Those that say Durant WAS ALWAYS better than Melo are sadly mistaken. The evolution of Durant's all around game is the main difference. But in terms of total scoring skillset, I think Melo has the edge. Durant is the best scorer in the world don't get me wrong. But I think Melo's scoring skillset is more varied. Durant totally revolutionized the SF position. There was never a pure shooter damn near 6'11 with his handles and slashing ability.

[Verticality]

Melo 23 6 3 on 45% shooting > Durant 22 4 3 on 45% shooting


Using this season as evidence of Melo being superior :yaohappy:

[Out_In_Utah]

MellowYellow getting reamed in here. :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Using this season as evidence of Melo being superior :yaohappy:

This dude has an epic rep to post ratio

[MellowYellow]

has melo ever had a finals game? :confusedshrug:
Has Melo ever had 3 all-stars on his team?

[Kblaze8855]

2 all stars(Melo/AI) the DPOY(Camby) Kmart(who was like 29) and Jr smith is nothing to laugh at.

[Myth]

Has Melo ever had 3 all-stars on his team?

The most Durant ever had was 2 including himself :confusedshrug:

Has Durant ever had a former MVP on his team? Has Durant ever had a former FMVP on his team?

[MellowYellow]

2 all stars(Melo/AI) the DPOY(Camby) Kmart(who was like 29) and Jr smith is nothing to laugh at.

Solid, but Anthony Carter at the point? :facepalm

Nothing compared to Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka