If not for the lockout in 99 & 12, Kobe would already be past Jordan in points

[MastaKilla]

Owners trying to hold Kobe back doe

[riseagainst]

if not for his scrub teammates in 2013, he wouldnt have needed to play hard and heavy minutes to carry them to the playoffs. Then he would not have injured his achilles and missed the next season. Then he would have broken the record then.
#unselfishbe

:bowdown:

[Myth]

Stop bitching. Jordan didn't play at all for about a season and a half while in his prime. Kobe would have no chance if he played those years.

[MP.Trey]

If not for Jordan's three retirements, this might not even be a discussion.

[andgar923]

If not for Jordan's three retirements, this might not even be a discussion.
This

[Dragonyeuw]

Meh. If....

-Jordan didnt lose almost the entire 86 season to injury

-MJ didnt 'retire' from 30 to 32, missing a season and a half in his prime.

- he didnt retire in 98 due to bulls management basically breaking up the team

He'd have passed Kareem, or nipping on his heels.

:confusedshrug:

[To4]

Funny thing is MJ got that many points in fewer years..

[deja vu]

Still not Top 10 all time. :lol

How sad.

[hiphopfan777]

And 81 point games

[MastaKilla]

Stop bitching. Jordan didn't play at all for about a season and a half while in his prime. Kobe would have no chance if he played those years.

What's your point?

Jordan gets injured and retires twice..

Kobe has to play through 2 lock out seasons..

Looks like one had more control over their non playing days than the other..

And Kobe would have no chance of he played in those years? What's that suppossed to even mean? Jordan made the playoffs numerous times w/o a winning record, hell the 2015 lakers might end up with a better record than those 30-52 bulls that made the playoffs... Kobe would feast in the no defense, high pace 80s

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Jordan mythologists begging for extra credit for Jordan quitting on his teammates twice.

:roll:

[AintNoSunshine]

LOL if not for Jordan's 2 year break because he was bored by the competition, Kobe will now be 4 seasons away.

[sportjames23]

Owners trying to hold Kobe back doe


If MJ didn't miss most of his second year or retire twice, Kobe would still be chasing him.

[LAZERUSS]

Of course, Kareem also played FOUR YEARS of COLLEGE ball, as well.

Can you imagine the numbers that a Kareem (and Wilt) would have put up had they jumped right to the NBA out of high school?

[DaRkJaWs]

Of course, Kareem also played FOUR YEARS of COLLEGE ball, as well.

Can you imagine the numbers that a Kareem (and Wilt) would have put up had they jumped right to the NBA out of high school?
If we make an appropriate estimate of Wilt right out of high school, with 3,300 points per season average in the four years he was either with KU or the Globies, and then add on some games to seasons that didn't have a full 82 games, he'd have 45,400 total points. It really is a shame that for all the records Wilt has that are way way out of reach, his total career points wasn't one of them, because it deserves to be.

EDIT: of course if you take into account Wilt's 1969-1970 season, he was on pace for 2,700 points, of which he only got 700 or so, so he'd have another 2,000 added onto that 45,400 for 47,400 career points, in one hypothetical example at least.

[LAZERUSS]

If we make a conservative estimate of Wilt right out of high school, with 3,300 points per season average in the four years he was either with KU or the Globies, and then add on some games to seasons that didn't have a full 82 games, he'd have 45,400 total points. It really is a shame that for all the records Wilt has that are way way out of reach, his total career points wasn't one of them, because it deserves to be.


Not only that, but had Chamberlain WANTED to, he could have scored MUCH more in his career.

If anyone needs evidence of that, just take a look at his scoring from '66-67 thru his first nine games of his '69-70 season.

In his '67 season, he "only" averaged 24.1 ppg, but on a staggering .683 FG%. Furthermore, he had a 58 point game that season (as well as a 42 point game on 18-18 shooting from the field.) Rick Barry would go on to win the scoring title that year, at 35.6 ppg, but even he acknowledged that he only won it "because Wilt didn't want it."

In his '68 season, Wilt once again, "only" averaged 24.3 ppg. However, he had the FOUR highest scoring games in the NBA that season, with games of 52, 53, 53, and 68 points.

His '69 season was particularly interesting. He had forced a trade to the Lakers, where he ran into the incompetent coaching of Butch Van Breda Kolff. The idiotic VBK not only had Wilt playing the high post, he was also benching him at times. Chamberlain's scoring took a dramatic decline, and it got so bad that SI ran this article that hit the news-stands on 1/27/69:

http://www.si.com/vault/1969/01/27/559068/on-topbut-in-trouble


The main problem on the court is not that Chamberlain, Baylor and West do not get the ball enough. It is that Chamberlain will not—or cannot—go to the basket when he does get it. In other words, the fantastic Laker juggernaut lacks a sufficient offense to carry it; the team has been reduced to depending on its defense.

Guess what...on the night before the article hit the news-stands, on 1/26/69, Chamberlain hung the first of TWO 60+ point games within a span of 10 days. In fact, over the course of 17 straight games, Wilt averaged 31.1 ppg. Included was a 35 point beatdown of Russell, which was his highest scoring game against Russell since the clinching game five of the '66 EDF's.



Then, in his '69-70 season, Chamberlain's new coach, Joe Mullaney, came to Wilt and asked him to become the focal point of the offense again. In his first nine games, Wilt was leading the league in scoring, at 32.2 ppg (and on a .579 FG%, to go along with his 20 rpg.) Unfortunately, in that ninth game, in a game in which Chamberlain scored 33 points in 28 minutes (and on 13-14 shooting from the field), Wilt shredded his knee, and was never the dominant scorer he had been after that.


In any case, there is simply NO DOUBT, that had Wilt WANTED to score more, he WOULD have.

[Smoke117]

Stop trying so hard, bro.

[Cold soul]

Still not Top 10 all time. :lol

How sad.

Yes, he is come on now. Anyway Kobe would of surpassed MJ in scoring a few years ago only playing 6 games last year and few lockouts have made it misleading that being 19th season of passing MJ.

[DaRkJaWs]

Laz I've seen you write a few times that chamberlain had a 29/35 game which was his 66 or 60 point game in 1969. Where do you have the stats for these games? From what I remember in one of these games, I believe his 60 point game, his fg% was only 22/60. Plz show me the stats for the last of his 60 point games.

[LAZERUSS]

Laz I've seen you write a few times that chamberlain had a 29/35 game which was his 66 or 60 point game in 1969. Where do you have the stats for these games? From what I remember in one of these games, I believe his 60 point game, his fg% was only 22/60. Plz show me the stats for the last of his 60 point games.

If you need EVERY one of his games, you can go to http://www.nbastats.net, and then click on Wilt near the middle of the screen. It will load an excel spreadsheet.

BTW, his stat-line in that 60 point game (against Dierking) in '69...was

60 points, 21 rebounds, 22-36 FG/FGA, and 16-24 FT/FTA.

You can also take a look at this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_players_wi th_most_points_in_a_game

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Stop bitching. Jordan didn't play at all for about a season and a half while in his prime. Kobe would have no chance if he played those years.

Not to mention the THREE years of college ball that KoMe didn't do. Plus Age 30-32, 35-38 Mike missed.

14 years for Mike = 19 years of Kobe. Sound about right - Kobe's about 65% as good as Mike was.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Of course, Kareem also played FOUR YEARS of COLLEGE ball, as well.

Can you imagine the numbers that a Kareem (and Wilt) would have put up had they jumped right to the NBA out of high school?

This. Kareem would have probably 45k points and Jordan at least 38-39k had they not gone to college.