Rodman on the Triangle Offense/Knicks: It's not that difficult. It's a triangle.

[Kidbasketball20]

"If I know Phil [Jackson, Knicks team president], he just feels like [crap] right now. I think he just feels like, 'Wow, I thought I came here to do a great job and revitalize the city of New York. He didn't expect this.

Then you went and got Derek Fisher. Really, is he coaching? Is Derek Fisher coaching? I don't get it. I don't know what's up with that team, man.

"They're not running the triangle. Derek Fisher's not really coaching. I know Phil is trying to throw his input in the background, but who expected this from Phil? They expected him, we're going to give you $15 million a year for the next six years and this team is -- wow -- they might not even make the playoffs."

But Rodman, who won five titles while playing for Jackson in Chicago, said the offense was easy to master.

"I learned that in probably 15 minutes when I was in Chicago," Rodman said. "It's not that difficult. It's a triangle.

"Everybody has an opportunity to touch the ball and shoot it. It seems like it goes back to Carmelo Anthony and then everything stops. What are you going to do?"

"How are you going to play with a superstar like Carmelo Anthony when he wants to shoot the ball all the time and everybody else has to play their role?" Rodman said. "How are you going to do that? Phil Jackson did that with Michael Jordan at the beginning and guess what happened?. He put a team around Michael Jordan and everybody fit right in.

"Everyone knew who the boss was -- that was him, Michael Jordan. Everybody knew who Kobe [Bryant] was. Kobe and Shaq [Shaquille O'Neal], they played their roles. Who is the man here in New York besides Carmelo? Nobody wants to play together with Carmelo, it seems like."


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[hawkfan]

Melo's teammates don't want to be there. That's why they are losing.
They have talent on the roster so that they shouldn't be so bad.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Unfortunately the Knicks have somehow managed to collect the dumbest players in the league together on one team.....Bargs, Stat, Melo, Smith, all together...

[smoovegittar]

Melo's teammates don't want to be there. That's why they are losing.
They have talent on the roster so that they shouldn't be so bad.
They are losing because of:

1.) At least 4 of them know their NYC days are over.
2.) 3rd coach in four years. Shumpert must be out of his mind.
3.) The players on this team who care about the situation are playing under intense pressure from critical fans and media dogs who still have an ax to grind with Dolan. When all is said and done, it's gonna be Melo, a bunch of kids, money and hopefully a high pick. That's 2014-15 in a nutshell.

...and speaking of nutshells, you're going to quote Rodman on HIS thoughts? Where'd he report this from? Kim Jong-un's bed? Give us a break. :facepalm

[pastis]

Unfortunately the Knicks have somehow managed to collect the dumbest players in the league together on one team.....Bargs, Stat, Melo, Smith, all together...


at least that doesnt seem to be melos fault. melo is a known shooter. thats it. he had a great all around team back in his denver years...that made him quite a threat.

so ny frontcourt is not able to put a strong team of star and role players around him. there you can blame the front office.

thing is, looking on knicks roster on the paper, you might think: wow not that bad, at least playoffs are safe in the east. but no. no team chemistry etc.

in addition, melo doesnt seem to make his m8s better. is he the real leader? the motivator? or is he just the superstar cause he has the biggest contract?

i think both, melo and the frontcourt are to blame.

[hawkfan]

They are losing because of:

1.) At least 4 of them know their NYC days are over.
2.) 3rd coach in four years. Shumpert must be out of his mind.
3.) The players on this team who care about the situation are playing under intense pressure from critical fans and media dogs who still have an ax to grind with Dolan. When all is said and done, it's gonna be Melo, a bunch of kids, money and hopefully a high pick. That's 2014-15 in a nutshell.

...and speaking of nutshells, you're going to quote Rodman on HIS thoughts? Where'd he report this from? Kim Jong-un's bed? Give us a break. :facepalm

Shumpert will do well someplace else.

[smoovegittar]

Shumpert will do well someplace else.
At this point in time, he'd be doing better most anywhere. But I don't think you'll be seeing it - he rates high with Phil.

[AirFederer]

3 titles with Bulls/PJ

[bluechox2]

half the team doesnt even want to play

[La Frescobaldi]

Deliberately destroyed the biggest global phenomenon in basketball since Jordan's push-off in Linsanity.

Deliberately tanked until Lin got traded.

Deliberately tanked until the coach got fired.

Even Coach Karl called him what he is a team destroying ball hog.

I say it having watched him win a ring as a great 6th man on the Knicks... all the way through Bulls & Lakers right to the present day:If P Jax can turn that around it will be by far his greatest achievement

[russwest0]

For as crazy as people think Rodman is, his BBIQ was/is off the charts still.

[Collie]

I'm not sure at this point what kind of team Melo needs to be successful. He's already had a team of good roleplayers (Denver), played alongside other stars (pre-injury Amare, AI), a good defensive big man (Chandler), a good point guard (Billups)... I guess the Denver setup was the best since he reached the WCF, but eh, still not that impressive.

[bdreason]

I'm sure it's real easy to learn the triangle when your job is to stay out of the way and get rebounds.

[ZeN]

I'm sure it's real easy to learn the triangle when your job is to stay out of the way and get rebounds.
Wouldn't it be great to have more players that cared less about scoring, more about doing the dirty work and help the system work by caring about ball movement?

[IGOTGAME]

I'm sure it's real easy to learn the triangle when your job is to stay out of the way and get rebounds.

its actually pretty easy. Some playing just have very low IQ and basketball IQ or they wanna get their stats and their games don't fir the triangle. The latter often break away and go against the concept and destroy the movement.

And Rodman had to knew the triangle just as well as any big to every play in it because it of the spacing necessary for it to work.

[Hey Yo]

I'm sure it's real easy to learn the triangle when your job is to stay out of the way and get rebounds.
Pretty much this ^

How many offensive plays were ran for Dennis?

[IGOTGAME]

Pretty much this ^

How many offensive plays were ran for Dennis?

its an offense....not plays

[Hey Yo]

its an offense....not plays
So what Knicks starter is being asked to play just defense and focus only on rebounds?

[russwest0]

So what Knicks starter is being asked to play just defense and focus only on rebounds?

.....Quincy Acy?

[Done_And_Done]

Where are all these Rodman quotes coming from lately lol?

The Knicks are a laughing stock right now and definitely underachieving but I think some of the criticism on Phil in general, is spoken in haste. His body of work in NY is far to small to demand proper judgement yet.

[Hey Yo]

.....Quincy Acy?
He's nowhere close to having the rebound talent Rodman had. Plus avg. about 10mpg less than Dennis did.

With Acy, you have no idea what he's going to give you nightly. With Dennis you knew you would be getting 100% effort, at least double digit rebounds and great D.

[IGOTGAME]

So what Knicks starter is being asked to play just defense and focus only on rebounds?

you dont understand what an offense is...

[AnaheimLakers24]

rodman did not win 5 titles under phil. garbage article

[tpols]

So what Knicks starter is being asked to play just defense and focus only on rebounds?

Everyone outside of melo.

[The_Yearning]

It's a respect thing.

Players feared and respected MJ/Kobe.

They don't fear or respect Carmelo. Carmelo needs to learn to defer like LBJ cause like LBJ, his teammates don't respect/fear him either.

[riseagainst]

It's a respect thing.

Players feared and respected MJ/Kobe.

They don't fear or respect Carmelo. Carmelo needs to learn to defer like LBJ cause like LBJ, his teammates don't respect/fear him either.

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[3ball]

"I learned that in probably 15 minutes when I was in Chicago," Rodman said. "It's not that difficult. It's a triangle.


the offense was easier for rodman because he never had to shoot it - on offense, the bulls were always playing 4 on 5 with rodman.





"Everybody has an opportunity to touch the ball and shoot it. It seems like it goes back to Carmelo Anthony and then everything stops.


Under the triangle, the guy shooting the most has the most potential to slow the offense down, so they are the ones that must make the quickest decisions of everyone.

But Melo never learned to catch the ball and score quickly - because it's not something you can just decide to do.

To score quick many times per game as the #1 option, you need to have already developed the ability to make good decisions quickly - it's just not something you can pick up 2/3 of the way through your career.

[Burgz V2]

I'll preface this by admitting I have only watched three Knicks games all year.

The vast majority of their stuff ended in isos. The triangle is supposed to optimize the space of the floor so that you can take the shortest and most unimpeded route to the basket. Carmelo is an ideal person to run this with just by looking at his skill profile (ie. great post up player). But when he comes up high near the three point line, the whole concept collapses in on itself because they don't have another reliable post up player, or reliable player period! Maybe Amare but lets not kid ourselves, the dude is done. Shumpert? It's not called the TRIPLE POST OFFENSE for fun folks. SO to begin with, they don't have the personnel to even run it. Maybe that's why they are frustrated.

Second, despite not having the personnel, these Knicks players are ****ing morons. If you could actually quantify their collective basketball IQ they'd definitely be in the special education class. Late cuts, cuts to the wrong spot often resulting in a trap by the other team, or half-cut/half-drift into a spot no one will notice I ****ed the play up (I call this the JR Smith special). It's horrifying to watch. Unfortunately for the Knicks and PJax, he's got himself a bunch of dudes who, on top of incapable of grasping and applying the triangle, are selfish beyond measure. It's a mess.

[Burgz V2]

also I fear for Brett Brown's job if the Knicks keep losing. Knicks making it extremely hard to tank for that top pick :lol