Kerr models coaching philosophies of Popovich over Phil Jackson

[unbreakable]

Kerr won titles with Phil and Pop and learned from the masters..

but he chooses to implement a Popovich system over the Zen. Proof that Pop has more influence and skill than PJ.

Pop has 6 or 7 coaches in the L right now who used to work under Pop...

we are witnessing the GOAT basketball coach/mind.:bowdown:

[oarabbus]

Pop > PJax. Jackson is a great coach no doubt, but he got lucky with the talent. Pop also got incredible talent, but not Jordan. Or Shaq/Kobe.

Pop is the GOAT coach except maybe for Auerbach who I can't really comment on.

[bdreason]

Pop has shown his system can win in the modern NBA. The league is drastically different from when Phil was coaching.

[Big Cheese]

phil jackson's coaching tree is terrible

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4339033/Phil-Jackson-Coaching-Tree.png

also fisher has been awful

[ZeN]

I disagree. The way The Warriors have been changing their style on the fly is straight up Zen, living in the moment. He instantly adjusts to the in the moment changes and isnt afraid to go against something that worked against a different team.

Hes implementing in my opinion a meld of both the discipline of Pop and the in the moment awareness of Phil.

[juju151111]

Kerr won titles with Phil and Pop and learned from the masters..

but he chooses to implement a Popovich system over the Zen. Proof that Pop has more influence and skill than PJ.

Pop has 6 or 7 coaches in the L right now who used to work under Pop...

we are witnessing the GOAT basketball coach/mind.:bowdown:
Where was this stated by Kerr.

[Kblaze8855]

Pop has shown his system can win in the modern NBA. The league is drastically different from when Phil was coaching.

3 years ago?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Pop has shown his system can win in the modern NBA. The league is drastically different from when Phil was coaching.
Phil Jackson won back to back titles 4 years ago..

[juju151111]

Pop has shown his system can win in the modern NBA. The league is drastically different from when Phil was coaching.
He won 4 years ago.

[GOBB]

3 years ago?


Phil Jackson won back to back titles 4 years ago..

:roll:

I don't think posters proofread their nonsense.

[imdaman99]

Of course, Phil's methods works better when you have 2 elite players. He won 2 out of his 11 rings when he didn't have 2 top 5 players. Gasol was top 15 maybe. Curry could be top 5, but their next best player Klay is not close. He is more like top 20.

[T_L_P]

To be fair, Pop basically copied Sloan for a good 5-6 years. The new "System" is a reinvention of D'Antoni's playbook.

Barely anything in the league is completely original.

[ZeN]

Of course, Phil's methods works better when you have 2 elite players. He won 2 out of his 11 rings when he didn't have 2 top 5 players. Gasol was top 15 maybe. Curry could be top 5, but their next best player Klay is not close. He is more like top 20.
The reason why his teams would stop winning is because they would get burned out on his passive aggressive methods. It's not a coincidence that he has repeatedly won back to back throughout his entire career.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Of course, Phil's methods works better when you have 2 elite players. He won 2 out of his 11 rings when he didn't have 2 top 5 players. Gasol was top 15 maybe. Curry could be top 5, but their next best player Klay is not close. He is more like top 20.
Kobe was arguably not top 5 in 2000. Pippen in 98 as well.

[bdreason]

I do think the league is different today than it was 4 years ago... but I definitely brain-farted on the Lakers 09-10 titles. :hammerhead:

[TheBigVeto]

Kerr won titles with Phil and Pop and learned from the masters..

but he chooses to implement a Popovich system over the Zen. Proof that Pop has more influence and skill than PJ.

Pop has 6 or 7 coaches in the L right now who used to work under Pop...

we are witnessing the GOAT basketball coach/mind.:bowdown:

Of course Pop >>>>>>>>>>>> PJax.
PJax doesn't know how to coach, he just pretends he knows how. Earlier, Jordan got him the rings, later David Stern and the refs helped him get his rings.

[tamaraw08]

phil jackson's coaching tree is terrible

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4339033/Phil-Jackson-Coaching-Tree.png

also fisher has been awful

ok? where are the numbers for Pops coaching tree? How is the talent level of the teams they coached?, Cartwright's team, Rambis team? heck every roster they had were weak. Shaw's team was ravaged by injuries.
Pops is a great coach but the last 5 yrs or so, he had a couple of first round exits too.

[tamaraw08]

Kerr won titles with Phil and Pop and learned from the masters..

but he chooses to implement a Popovich system over the Zen. Proof that Pop has more influence and skill than PJ.

Pop has 6 or 7 coaches in the L right now who used to work under Pop...

we are witnessing the GOAT basketball coach/mind.:bowdown:

YOu have a link buddy, or you are basing everything on speculation?:confusedshrug:
Besides, aren't you being too presumptive that Kerr's team would go deep in the playoffs? They are doing great right now, heck D'Antoni and Flip Saunders did that too.

[tamaraw08]

Pop > PJax. Jackson is a great coach no doubt, but he got lucky with the talent. Pop also got incredible talent, but not Jordan. Or Shaq/Kobe.

Pop is the GOAT coach except maybe for Auerbach who I can't really comment on.

Im so sick and tired of this ignorant thought that Phil only wins bec of great talent. Yes, he didn't' win without those HOF's but who can really?
When MJ first retired. Phil lead his team to a 56 win season with the freaking Pete Myers (CBA journeyman) replacing Jordan.

He lead the Lakers to the playoff with Kobe and a bunch of roles players, so bad that their 3rd best player was Luke Walton. Now, Pop fans and Phil detractors pls read it again. Luke Walton as your 3rd best player and you were 1 reb away from advancing to the 2nd round.

[Droid101]

Luke Walton as your 3rd best player and you were 1 reb away from advancing to the 2nd round.
And probably winning. Lakers were still in the "Slap the little brother Clippers around" stage.

[TheBigVeto]

Im so sick and tired of this ignorant thought that Phil only wins bec of great talent. Yes, he didn't' win without those HOF's but who can really?

Larry Brown.

[tamaraw08]

Larry Brown.

Larry Brown is one of the most underrated coaches of all time but he won 1 ring with prime Wallace,Billups,Rip, Sheed, Prince etc.

[Collie]

Phil is getting underrated.

The guy won 11 rings as a coach, with basically 4 different teams (I consider the 1st and 2nd 3peat Bulls different enough to separate them). What's more, he managed to keep his team hungry and motivated enough to win THREE 3peats.

History has shown us how hard it is to win a 3peat, and the guy did it three times, and also had an additional back to back.

[TheBigVeto]

Larry Brown is one of the most underrated coaches of all time but he won 1 ring with prime Wallace,Billups,Rip, Sheed, Prince etc.

None of them are HOFers.

[Inferno]

So glad Kerr picked GSW over NY

[La Frescobaldi]

The reason why his teams would stop winning is because they would get burned out on his passive aggressive methods. It's not a coincidence that he has repeatedly won back to back throughout his entire career.


I don't understand.

You mean Jordan retired.......... because of Phil Jackson?

And the second time wasn't.... because Jerry Krause blew up the Bulls?

And Shaq/Kobe's raging dual megalomania had... nothing to do with O'Neal leaving the Lakers?

Maybe the Mavs run was really.... because Bynum hated P Jax so much he forearm shivered JJ when Lakers took one of the worst beatings in years and were down by like 18 or 20 in the 4th?

[KingsFan416]

phil jackson's coaching tree is terrible

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4339033/Phil-Jackson-Coaching-Tree.png

also fisher has been awful
So Pat Riley guys > Phil guys.
Erik Spolestra = 2 NBA Championships 4 NBA Eastern Conference Championships
Byron Scott = 2 NBA Eastern Conference Championships, 2008 Coach of the Year.
Jeff Van Gundy = 1999 Eastern Conference Championship
Stan Van Gundy = 2009 Eastern Conference Championship

[Smoke117]

All these coaches that use the triangle are idiots. It's not like Phil came up with it...he wasn't even an x's and o's guy. He had assistants for that...like the great Tex Winters who DID CREATE THE TRIANGLE OFFENSE. I suppose Phil is a great motivator...but having to motivate Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe, Gasol, Grant, Rodman...wow that must have been rough. He had to push these piss poor competitors and make them actually try. :rolleyes:

[oarabbus]

Im so sick and tired of this ignorant thought that Phil only wins bec of great talent. Yes, he didn't' win without those HOF's but who can really?
When MJ first retired. Phil lead his team to a 56 win season with the freaking Pete Myers (CBA journeyman) replacing Jordan.

He lead the Lakers to the playoff with Kobe and a bunch of roles players, so bad that their 3rd best player was Luke Walton. Now, Pop fans and Phil detractors pls read it again. Luke Walton as your 3rd best player and you were 1 reb away from advancing to the 2nd round.


I said Pop also won because of great talent. You seem butthurt about the truth that Phil Jackson is an inferior coach compared to Popovich. Sorry bro.

[T_L_P]

None of them are HOFers.

Wallace impacted the game like a top-tier HoFer.

[Milbuck]

Wallace impacted the game like a top-tier HoFer.
No..all-star though, definitely.

[BigBoss]

phil jackson's coaching tree is terrible

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4339033/Phil-Jackson-Coaching-Tree.png

also fisher has been awful

They all coached shitty teams

[T_L_P]

No..all-star though, definitely.

Best defensive player of the past 20 odd years. Nobody even came close to his impact on that end from 02-06.

EDIT: I should say that 04 KG had an almost equally great defensive impact, but certainly not over that entire period.

[Smoke117]

Larry Brown.


I consider Larry the greatest coach of all time. Only Coach to ever win an NCAA and NBA championship. An brilliant student of the game who understands the right way to play. Great coda to his career winning it with the Pistons who had no chucking, ego driven, superstar.

[Milbuck]

Best defensive player of the past 20 odd years. Nobody even came close to his impact on that end from 02-06.

EDIT: I should say that 04 KG had an almost equally great defensive impact, but certainly not over that entire period.
How can we just ignore the other end of the floor? He was completely inept when it came to everything aside from hustle points and garbage buckets, and was a borderline liability with his FT shooting.

The dude had prime Chauncey, Rip, Sheed, with an ATG coach who knew how to utilize everyone's games at a high level not only individually, but collectively..he was in damn near the perfect situation for his skill-set to manifest itself into wins and impact, and his weaknesses..namely his putrid offense..to be compensated for. A top-tier HOFer is someone like prime Wade, Dirk, KG, etc. Wallace was an all-star but he was never in his life close to a player like that.

[Smoke117]

How can we just ignore the other end of the floor? He was completely inept when it came to everything aside from hustle points and garbage buckets, and was a borderline liability with his FT shooting.

The dude had prime Chauncey, Rip, Sheed, with an ATG coach who knew how to utilize everyone's games at a high level not only individually, but collectively..he was in damn near the perfect situation for his skill-set to manifest itself into wins and impact, and his weaknesses..namely his putrid offense..to be compensated for. A top-tier HOFer is someone like prime Wade, Dirk, KG, etc. Wallace was an all-star but he was never in his life close to a player like that.

You're an idiot. Stick to fanboying Kobe. Ben Wallace has one of the greatest peaks ever defensively. His prime and longevity is not impressive, but peak to peak in a 4-5 span he's as DOMINANT AS ANYONE EVER. What would a bucks fan know about defense though? Stupid twats.

[sportjames23]

The Zen Master is like the Highlander--there can only be one.

So, of course Kerr had to model his style after Pop.

[Milbuck]

You're an idiot. Stick to fanboying Kobe. Ben Wallace has one of the greatest peaks ever defensively. His prime and longevity is not impressive, but peak to peak in a 4-5 span he's as DOMINANT AS ANYONE EVER. What would a bucks fan know about defense though? Stupid ****.No, he really wasn't. If you honestly think he was as good as REAL top-tier HOFers like Wade, Dirk, KG, Barkley, etc...you're ****ing clueless.

And what would a Bucks fan know about defense? Well, the team has a top 10 defense and just wiped its ass with the Heat, so you tell me :yaohappy:

[Smoke117]

No, he really wasn't. If you honestly think he was as good as REAL top-tier HOFers like Wade, Dirk, KG, Barkley, etc...you're ****ing clueless.

And what would a Bucks fan know about defense? Well, the team has a top 10 defense and just wiped its ass with the Heat, so you tell me :yaohappy:

Are you drunk? I'm talking about defense. Dirk? Barkley? Wade? (wade compared to wallace anyway.) WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU STUPID COUNTRY BUMPKIN?

[Milbuck]

Are you drunk? I'm talking about defense. Dirk? Barkley? Wade? (wade compared to wallace anyway.) WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU STUPID COUNTRY BUMPKIN?
I don't give a shit about what you're talking about. Me and T_L_P were talking about overall impact...which includes offense. No shit Ben Wallace was one of the best defenders ever, how retarded are you to jump into this discussion thinking anyone was disputing that?

[Smoke117]

I don't give a shit about what you're talking about. Me and T_L_P were talking about overall impact...which includes offense. No shit Ben Wallace was one of the best defenders ever, how retarded are you to jump into this discussion thinking anyone was disputing that?

I don't really give a **** shit either idiot. You are one of the most overrated posters on this board with your stupid pathetic "wit" and bullshit. You are a joke and pathetic. Tri hardur. I spit on you, bitch.

[Milbuck]

I don't really give a **** shit either idiot. You are one of the most overrated posters on this board with your stupid pathetic "wit" and bullshit. You are a joke and pathetic. Tri hardur.
You are so ****ing mad right now :oldlol:

This is like the 3rd time today you've randomly went at me, keep it going. What else about me bothers you?

[Smoke117]

You are so ****ing mad right now :oldlol:

This is like the 3rd time today you've randomly went at me, keep it going. What else about me bothers you?

global warming. ^_^ You are such a child.

[Milbuck]

global warming. ^_^ You are such a child.
And here you are spending your free time conversing with said child online. Might as well PM me the pics already, you sick ****.

[Smoke117]

And here you are spending your free time conversing with said child online. Might as well PM me the pics already, you sick ****.


Oooohh. ahahha. listen to you. Keep going. Get madder. I'm so amused right now you don't understand.

[Milbuck]

Oooohh. ahahha. listen to you. Keep going. Get madder. I'm so amused right now you don't understand.
tl;dr

[chazzy]

Are you drunk? I'm talking about defense. Dirk? Barkley? Wade? (wade compared to wallace anyway.) WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU STUPID COUNTRY BUMPKIN?
Projecting much? Aren't you an admitted alcoholic and frequently go on drunken tirades on ISH, including now most likely?

[DJ Leon Smith]

Kobe was arguably not top 5 in 2000. Pippen in 98 as well.

Yep Pippen wasn't even an all-star the first year the Bulls won. And Kobe 100 percent wasn't top five in 2000.

Not saying Jackson didn't have great squads but other coaches lost with those teams as well. Him and Pop are both top tier coaches, just different.

[poido123]

Jackson: master manipulator of personalities.


Popovich: master strategist of mixed talent and players who check their egos at the door.

[IGOTGAME]

Pop has shown his system can win in the modern NBA. The league is drastically different from when Phil was coaching.

there have only been 4 champions since Phil won a title. If the league is that much different then Pop only showed he could win last year.

[Smoke117]

Projecting much? Aren't you an admitted alcoholic and frequently go on drunken tirades on ISH, including now most likely?

I'm comfortable with my foibles. :D

[I<3NBA]

Jackson: master manipulator of personalities.


Popovich: master strategist of mixed talent and players who check their egos at the door.
this

if you have a team full of talent but full of egos, you want PJax to get you over the hump.

if you have a team of 1-2 stars and role players, you want Pop.

example, the Clips need PJax, the Pelicans need Pop.

[T_L_P]

this

if you have a team full of talent but full of egos, you want PJax to get you over the hump.

if you have a team of 1-2 stars and role players, you want Pop.

example, the Clips need PJax, the Pelicans need Pop.

Didn't Phil win as many as Pop under those same circumstances, in 4-5 less seasons?

[TheBigVeto]

Wallace impacted the game like a top-tier HoFer.

No.

[bdreason]

there have only been 4 champions since Phil won a title. If the league is that much different then Pop only showed he could win last year.


Yeah I spaced it on the 09-10 Lakers. I do think the recent few champs, the Mavs, Heat, and Mavericks played a different brand of basketball than those Lakers/Celtics matchups though.


I wasn't trying to dis Phil, I was just trying to give Pop props for being adaptable and progressive.

[tamaraw08]

I said Pop also won because of great talent. You seem butthurt about the truth that Phil Jackson is an inferior coach compared to Popovich. Sorry bro.

11 rings with different sets of players is inferior. ok:rolleyes:
Pops is a great coach with zero back to backs and a couple of 1st round exits the past 5 yrs and he is supposedly better than Phil who lead the MJ- less Bulls to 55 wins, wow.

[Anaximandro1]

Pop evolved over the years and is the better coach; Jackson is a great ego manager, and a master manipulator.

Jackson coached teams loaded with talent, but Pop never had to manage difficult personalities.

Duncan and Robinson are probably the most coachable superstars in NBA history.

Those guys are laser focused on winning games. They don't care about individual stats.

[QUOTE= Sean Elliott]

We don

[sportjames23]

What's Pop's and Phil's record head-to-head?

[gts]

:roll:

I don't think posters proofread their nonsense.
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