More than a quarter of The World's Countries Helped The CIA Run Its Torture Program

[MavsSuperFan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/09/cia-torture-countries_n_6297832.html

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Countries with secret CIA prisons

The Washington Post decoded the report to reveal countries that were home to secret CIA-controlled prisons.

Afghanistan (4 sites)
Poland
Lithuania
Romania
Thailand

Note: According to a 2013 report by the Open Society Justice Initiative, U.S. facilities in Bosnia-Herzegovina were used to "process" detainees, but it is unclear whether the U.S. agency running that operation was the CIA or the Department of Defense.

Countries with proxy CIA prisons

A number of other foreign partners (including two governments that the U.S. has since disavowed, those of Libya and Syria) permitted the CIA to conduct enhanced interrogation in their own facilities, through what are called proxy CIA prisons. Here's a list, drawn from reports by the ACLU and the Open Society Justice Initiative:

Egypt
Syria
Libya
Pakistan
Jordan
Morocco
Gambia
Somalia
Uzbekistan
Ethiopia
Djibouti

Countries that enabled renditions

This list features countries that proved amenable to at least some CIA measures that were only questionably legal. It is a curious mix of prominent Western nations and nations with which the U.S. has long has difficulties. The governments' assistance ranged from passing along information about suspects, including those countries' own citizens, to serving as a transit point for flights to countries where enhanced interrogation was taking place.

Afghanistan
Austria
Australia
Albania
Algeria
Azerbaijan
Belgium
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Canada
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Djibouti
Egypt
Ethiopia
Finland
Gambia
Georgia
Germany
Greece
Hong Kong
Iceland
Indonesia
Iran
Ireland
Italy
Jordan
Kenya
Libya
Lithuania
Malawi
Malaysia
Mauritania
Morocco
Pakistan
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Saudi Arabia
Somalia
South Africa
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Syria
Thailand
Turkey
United Arab Emirates (UAE)
United Kingdom
Uzbekistan
Yemen
Zimbabwe

Thoughts?

[Akrazotile]

Shake shake shake


Shake shake shake




Shake Djibouti

[Raymone]

I fully blame Iceland.

[dunksby]

Nice, it makes everything OK then.

[~primetime~]

Eh, we are like the Deebo of the Earth. What were other countries going to do, tell us no?

We want to torture someone and they are like:

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/1KSdZyvvhoM/hqdefault.jpg

[navy]

USA has a big stick.

[MavsSuperFan]

:lol I just realized Israel did not help us torture people or rendition/kidnap people to be tortured

[KevinNYC]

Thoughts?
I think the headline is a bit ridiculous. Helped The CIA Run Its Torture Program.

For one thing, rendition does not equal torture, serving as a transit point does equal torture. Not every one who was rendered was tortured. (You can still object to it for other reasons, but it's not toture.)

For two when you claim somebody helps "run" something that seems to imply managerial accountability. This is more like FedEx helps me "run" my business, however, Fedex makes absolutely no mangerial decisions about my business.

The second list seems like just trying to loop in as many countries as possible.

This list features countries that proved amenable to at least some CIA measures that were only questionably legal. It is a curious mix of prominent Western nations and nations with which the U.S. has long has difficulties. The governments' assistance ranged from passing along information about suspects, including those countries' own citizens, to serving as a transit point for flights to countries where enhanced interrogation was taking place.

[IcanzIIravor]

We get by with a lil help from our friends :cheers:

[DCL]

not sure if "help" is the accurate word. "Help" sorta implies voluntary and willful action. If all these other countries participated, did they have other options that didnt result in retaliation or consequences? Or did we just give them an ultimatim to "Do this shit or else! *** your opinion" lol

[Dresta]

Not surprised at all to see Poland, Croatia, Albania, (+ Kosovo), and Bosnia on that list. Once a little biatch, always a little biatch
Without the Poles your shitty country would probably still be a tiny province of the Ottoman Empire. You're just a typical scumbag Serbian ethnic cleanser. It's not your fault though, it runs in your blood, as does imbecility.

[senelcoolidge]

What hypocrites these politicians are..they condemned Snowden yet they are doing the same thing that he did. They don't care about putting Americans in danger.

[Thorpesaurous]

I think the headline is a bit ridiculous. Helped The CIA Run Its Torture Program.

For one thing, rendition does not equal torture, serving as a transit point does equal torture. Not every one who was rendered was tortured. (You can still object to it for other reasons, but it's not toture.)

For two when you claim somebody helps "run" something that seems to imply managerial accountability. This is more like FedEx helps me "run" my business, however, Fedex makes absolutely no mangerial decisions about my business.

The second list seems like just trying to loop in as many countries as possible.


I agree. Especially that second part. That's like blaming the gas station I filled up at before I went to the bar, got loaded, and smashed into a tree.

[KevinNYC]

I agree. Especially that second part. That's like blaming the gas station I filled up at before I went to the bar, got loaded, and smashed into a tree.

Just came across this on Twitter


Still pissed at the creators of 24, who normalized torture every single week.

[KingBeasley08]

^ Fck them. 24 was awesome

[KevinNYC]

^ Fck them. 24 was awesomeExcept it was about as realistic as Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. The show was built around the "ticking time bomb"scenario, a situation that no counter-terrorism official anywhere has ever encountered. 24 made it happen week after week. The "ticking-time bomb trope was invented by a French novelist to make people more comfortable with idea of torturing Algerians.

Unfortunately, lots of folks mistook it for reality and the Army had to talk to the Producers about the distorted and toxic effect of the show (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/02/19/whatever-it-takes?currentPage=all)

[QUOTE]This past November, U.S. Army Brigadier General Patrick Finnegan, the dean of the United States Military Academy at West Point, flew to Southern California to meet with the creative team behind

[KingBeasley08]

Except it was about as realistic as Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. The show was built around the "ticking time bomb"scenario, a situation that no counter-terrorism official anywhere has ever encountered. 24 made it happen week after week. The "ticking-time bomb trope was invented by a French novelist to make people more comfortable with idea of torturing Algerians.

Unfortunately, lots of folks mistook it for reality and the Army had to talk to the Producers about the distorted and toxic effect of the show (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/02/19/whatever-it-takes?currentPage=all)
No shit. Anyone watching 24 for realism purposes was stupid. The show was a nice thriller and Jack Bauer was the most badass man on the planet.

I mean guy gets across LA in like 20 min and people think its realistic :lol

Same shit where people say video games cause violence. People need to stop blaming other media for retarded decisions

[KevinNYC]

No shit. Anyone watching 24 for realism purposes was stupid. The show was a nice thriller and Jack Bauer was the most badass man on the planet.

I mean guy gets across LA in like 20 min and people think its realistic :lol

Same shit where people say video games cause violence. People need to stop blaming other media for retarded decisions

One of the producers has now moved on to the highly realistic Homeland. :lol

[KingBeasley08]

One of the producers has now moved on to the highly realistic Homeland. :lol
Homeland was realistic for about a season (and that was an amazing season) and then it went batshit insane :lol

Seriously, though, that was my biggest problem with Homeland after season 1. It became so unrealistic when it seemed relatively grounded in the first season. They started bringing in 24 styled realism

And making 24 without Jack Bauer and all the ridiculous Die Hardesque action is pointless