How come LeBron ball doesn't turn Varejao into a 3 point shooter? [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 04:23 AM

Andy's career shooting #s:

http://i.imgur.com/CM2g961.png

A few things to note:

-Shooting a career high in FG% so far at 59%
-Shooting something like 76% in the first quarter, according to Cavs announcers
-His FGA by distance is basically the same as his career numbers. he's actually shooting less long range jumpers than last year
-Shooting 71% from 3 feet or less, career high, 48% from 3-10 which is a career high
-His career high in % FG Assisted :applause: I wonder why (Lebron ball)

Andy's looking great this year so far.

How come Bosh wasn't able to get these kind of looks that Varejao gets with LeBron? Birdman was able to get them, so it's hard to say it's Spo.

For Comparison, Here's bosh:
http://i.imgur.com/g1AROVp.png

How come Bosh is shooting the same amount of 3's as last year, and even more mid range jumpers? In fact, he's taking less shots in the paint than he was on the Heat :wtf: I thought LeBron ball was forcing Bosh to shoot 3s and not post up? Is it Wade ball now?

RoundMoundOfReb

12-10-2014, 04:24 AM

#Ether

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 04:26 AM

#Ether
I'm not really trying to diss or ether anyone. I'm just bringing some objective facts up for discussion :cheers:

SugarHill

12-10-2014, 04:30 AM

I'm not really trying to diss or ether anyone. I'm just bringing some objective facts up for discussion :cheers:
#objectivefacts4discussion

RoundMoundOfReb

12-10-2014, 04:31 AM

I'm not really trying to diss or ether anyone. I'm just bringing some objective facts up for discussion :cheers:
True. Nothing quite like an objective/unbiased post riddled with facts. :applause:

oarabbus

12-10-2014, 04:31 AM

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]True. Nothing quite like an objective

Budadiiii

12-10-2014, 04:31 AM

Hard to break a 4 year long habit.

BTW, this topic has been talked to death....... come up with something original for once you pot smoking slug.

dilley

12-10-2014, 04:33 AM

#objectivefacts4discussion
:roll:

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 04:33 AM

Hard to break a 4 year long habit.

BTW, this topic has been talked to death....... come up with something original for once you pot smoking slug.
Habit? There is no LeBron driving to the paint to force him to the corner. He's shooting the 3s himself and avoiding the paint.

And this topic was only talked to death 2 days into the season. Now that we are deeper, true colors are starting to show.

Warfan

12-10-2014, 04:33 AM

Bosh went from shooting 71% to 53% at the rim :oldlol: Overrated and soft, flower forward as they say...

SugarHill

12-10-2014, 04:34 AM

[QUOTE=oarabbus]#objective

Budadiiii

12-10-2014, 04:37 AM

Habit? There is no LeBron driving to the paint to force him to the corner. He's shooting the 3s himself and avoiding the paint.

And this topic was only talked to death 2 days into the season. Now that we are deeper, true colors are starting to show.
So you admit LeBron forced him into a spot up shooter and he did it so long it is now an innate part of his game.

Smoke another bowl and come up with something new, FOR ONCE.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 04:40 AM

So you admit LeBron forced him into a spot up shooter and he did it so long it is now an innate part of his game.

Smoke another bowl and come up with something new, FOR ONCE.
That was the claim at least, and it resulted in Bosh shooting 34% from 3's and making some clutch ones. Now he's shooting 37.8% from 3

#lebroneffect

but I don't see how that could affect him now if there is nobody to kick it out to him. And it really makes no sense why Bosh is shooting lower % at the rim. No excuses for him to shoot more 3's this year, and less in the paint.

Genaro

12-10-2014, 04:45 AM

Bosh now learned to shoot 3s so he made it a weapon, with Lebron he just didn't have the shots to score big like he does now. I still think he should go to the post more often specially when the jumper isn't falling but I guess old habits die hard.

Varej

Budadiiii

12-10-2014, 04:46 AM

That was the claim at least, and it resulted in Bosh shooting 34% from 3's and making some clutch ones. Now he's shooting 37.8% from 3

#lebroneffect

but I don't see how that could affect him now if there is nobody to kick it out to him. And it really makes no sense why Bosh is shooting lower % at the rim. No excuses for him to shoot more 3's this year, and less in the paint.
Now LeBron is getting credit for Bosh hitting clutch shots?

:facepalm

His shooting percentage is going UP behind 3 without LeBron, so what does that tell you about LeBron's so called importance.

So Bosh becomes a spot up shooter with little posting for 4 years and you expect him to just.... radically change? Are you retarded?

He's been practicing for years based on the premise of LeBron/Wade being the main scorers and standing in the corner because of LeBron ball. How was he supposed to know LeBron would bail out again and quit on his friends, teammates, and fans in Miami?

tpols

12-10-2014, 04:46 AM

Budadiiii

12-10-2014, 04:50 AM

Spacing.

Cleveland has Kyrie instead of Wade to space the floor.. Love who also loves spotting up. Cleveland already has a bunch of shooters to make room for varejo.

Miami had a center and a sg who couldn't space the floor.. So Bosh being a high post player was forced to take a few steps back and start shooting the long ball to balance the court out again . If Bosh didn't make that sacrifice LeBron would literally have one spot up shooter to toss the ball to.. Mario Chalmers.. Would never work.
Yes. Bosh simply predicated his game based on what made them the best as a team, and is now getting shit on because that play style became natural for him?

Now he's getting blamed for LeBron ditching out on a franchise yet again when the times get a little tough. What a ****ing joke.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 04:50 AM

Now LeBron is getting credit for Bosh hitting clutch shots?

People say LeBron turned Bosh into a 3 pt shooter, so according to them, he should get some credit fa sho :cheers:

:facepalm

Hit shooting percentage is going UP behind 3 without LeBron, so what does that tell you about LeBron's so called importance.
That LeBron helped Bosh improve at 3 pointers, and added a new weapon to his arsenal. We went over this laready

So Bosh becomes a spot up shooter with little posting for 4 years and you expect him to just.... radically change? Are you retarded?
Radical change? No, but I can't understand how he is trying to go to the paint even less than last year when he doesn't have LeBron as an "excuse" not to. The perception was that Bosh was being forced on the perimeter to clear the paint for LeBron to drive, so he doesn't have the need to be on the perimeter as much anymore. Did he not spend any time working on his post game in the summer? How is it possible he is worse at the basket without LeBron if LeBron was the one forcing him outside?

He's been practicing for years based on the premise of LeBron/Wade being the main scorers and standing in the corner because of LeBron ball. How was he supposed to know LeBron would bail out again and quit on his friends, teammates, and fans in Miami?
Blah blah blah, same BS hyperbole that deserves no response.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 04:53 AM

Spacing.

Cleveland has Kyrie instead of Wade to space the floor.. Love who also loves spotting up. Cleveland already has a bunch of shooters to make room for varejo.

Miami had a center and a sg who couldn't space the floor.. So Bosh being a high post player was forced to take a few steps back and start shooting the long ball to balance the court out again . If Bosh didn't make that sacrifice LeBron would literally have one spot up shooter to toss the ball to.. Mario Chalmers.. Would never work.
but LeBron/Varejao 2 man game has been amazing. It's like Birdman on roids.

Heat had a bunch of shooters too. Battier, Allen, Miller, Jones, etc. How come Bosh couldn't get anywhere close to that 2 man game off the pick and roll?

It's becuase Varejao willingly goes to the paint and doesn't shy away from it like Bosh does.

poido123

12-10-2014, 05:14 AM

Trollsmasher

12-10-2014, 05:15 AM

poido123

12-10-2014, 05:21 AM

It is simple - Andy is one of the best big man cutters in the league, if not the best.

Bosh is a lazy diva.

If you make a good cut and get open for a milisecond, LeBron will hit you with a pass. Bosh never did that.

I never understood why lebron stans bash ex teammates of Lebron...

Bosh played a role in those heat teams that wasn't totally conducive to his game. He was forced into that role because of how wade and Lebron operate.

Stop bashing heat players that helped lebron win 2 championships :hammerhead:

NZStreetBaller

12-10-2014, 05:25 AM

My guess is that Bosh became good at threes because he WORKED on it and trusted himself to take the shots.

But once again we give the credit of lebrons team mates skill to lebron. Because lebron has some kind of special powers to make everyone better :rolleyes:

If lebron really makes his team mates better then why the hell did he need to switch teams at all??

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 05:30 AM

I never understood why lebron stans bash ex teammates of Lebron...

Bosh played a role in those heat teams that wasn't totally conducive to his game. He was forced into that role because of how wade and Lebron operate.

Stop bashing heat players that helped lebron win 2 championships :hammerhead:
Wait where is anyone really bashing Bosh? Nobody is hating on him. Stop it. There's a difference between criticism and hate.

I'm not even really criticizing him, more criticizing the LeBron haters who tried to say it's his fault that Bosh wasn't going to the paint, even though other players on the Heat were able to get inside playing in the same system.

Sure, he should go to the paint more now that he's the leader of the team and not rely on threes so much. That's really the point of this thread, and I bet most Miami fans would agree they want to see Bosh in the paint more.

NZStreetBaller

12-10-2014, 05:32 AM

just so we're clear. Lebron would have 0 rings without D wade and Bosh right??

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 05:38 AM

OP dumb as rocks.

Bosh has the ability to shoot 3s and varejeo does not.

Varejeo plays close to the basket with more space he is able to increase his fg%. Love plays the role Bosh would of played, not varejeo because he can actually shoot 3s.

Bosh on the other hand played with two wing scorers who needed his outside game to open up space for their drives.

Thanks for pointing out how much of an idiot you are. :facepalm
Bosh didn't have much 3 pt ability before the Heat. The Kobe stans claim is that LeBron TURNS them into 3 pt shooters, not that they were already willing.

My point/question is... why didn't Bosh develop any of this type of game on the Heat? Birdman was able to get a lot of easy drives playing high pick and roll with LeBron, same type of stuff Varejao is doing. Bosh would normally look for jumpers instead of taking it to the paint. He's not clogging the paint by doing that. LeBron was still able to get to the rim playing the same 2 man game with Varejao/Birdman.

Was it Spoelstra's decision, or was Bosh really just unwilling to go to the paint? He even had some quote saying he doesn't like to bang bodies in the paint or something

poido123

12-10-2014, 05:42 AM

Wait where is anyone really bashing Bosh? Nobody is hating on him. Stop it. There's a difference between criticism and hate.

I'm not even really criticizing him, more criticizing the LeBron haters who tried to say it's his fault that Bosh wasn't going to the paint, even though other players on the Heat were able to get inside playing in the same system.

Sure, he should go to the paint more now that he's the leader of the team and not rely on threes so much. That's really the point of this thread, and I bet most Miami fans would agree they want to see Bosh in the paint more.

Uhh, pretty sure it's lebron stans who rag on wade and Bosh for the teams failures. Bosh isn't a paint player, his money shot is the one just inside the 3 point line.

I'd like you to answer my last post about varejeo and Bosh, because it's mind-boggling that you don't understand why the varejeo and Bosh situation are completely different.

NZStreetBaller

12-10-2014, 05:43 AM

Bosh didn't have much 3 pt ability before the Heat. The Kobe stans claim is that LeBron TURNS them into 3 pt shooters, not that they were already willing.

My point/question is... why didn't Bosh develop any of this type of game on the Heat? Birdman was able to get a lot of easy drives playing high pick and roll with LeBron, same type of stuff Varejao is doing. Bosh would normally look for jumpers instead of taking it to the paint. He's not clogging the paint by doing that. LeBron was still able to get to the rim playing the same 2 man game with Varejao/Birdman.

Was it Spoelstra's decision, or was Bosh really just unwilling to go to the paint? He even had some quote saying he doesn't like to bang bodies in the paint or something

Where would lebron be if Bosh didnt GO IN THE PAINT and get that offensive rebound in game 6 ?

Prometheus

12-10-2014, 05:46 AM

bran stans with the agenda here, but bran haters whining like girls.

They're right though. If bran is able to boost Varejao's game as such, then it's no longer sensible to blame bran for Bosh turning into a spot-up shooter. There's no reason he couldn't have done both.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 05:46 AM

Uhh, pretty sure it's lebron stans who rag on wade and Bosh for the teams failures. Bosh isn't a paint player, his money shot is the one just inside the 3 point line.

I'd like you to answer my last post about varejeo and Bosh, because it's mind-boggling that you don't understand why varejeo doesn't shoots 3s in this lebron team...
It's Kobe stans who try to blame LeBron for any short comings Bosh or Wade had. Now you see people trying to discredit LeBron when the Cavs win and say it was Kyrie, or TT. It goes both ways. The point of this thread is to show how stupid it is, and actually take a statistical look at Bosh's game.

Man I'm not sure if you've even been reading my posts, but it's pretty clear I get why Varejao doesn't shoot threes. This thread is to point out the complete idiocy where Kobe stans say LeBron turns big men into spot up 3 pt shooters. If you didn't understand that... then :biggums:

poido123

12-10-2014, 05:50 AM

Bosh didn't have much 3 pt ability before the Heat. The Kobe stans claim is that LeBron TURNS them into 3 pt shooters, not that they were already willing.

My point/question is... why didn't Bosh develop any of this type of game on the Heat? Birdman was able to get a lot of easy drives playing high pick and roll with LeBron, same type of stuff Varejao is doing. Bosh would normally look for jumpers instead of taking it to the paint. He's not clogging the paint by doing that. LeBron was still able to get to the rim playing the same 2 man game with Varejao/Birdman.

Was it Spoelstra's decision, or was Bosh really just unwilling to go to the paint? He even had some quote saying he doesn't like to bang bodies in the paint or something

Bosh has range to near the 3 point line, so his transition to the 3 point shot would of been much easier than for varejeo.

Your original post was asking why doesn't lebron ball cause varejeo to shoots 3s and better Efficiency?

You and I know that is pretty self explanatory.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 05:50 AM

Where would lebron be if Bosh didnt GO IN THE PAINT and get that offensive rebound in game 6 ?
You're stupid if you think this is a Bosh hate thread.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 05:54 AM

Bosh has range to near the 3 point line, so his transition to the 3 point shot would of been much easier than for varejeo.

Your original post was asking why doesn't lebron ball cause varejeo to shoots 3s and better Efficiency?

You and I know that is pretty self explanatory.
Original post is to point out hypocrisy in LeBron haters agendas.

Still haven't answered the question of why Bosh didn't develop any 2 man game with LeBron and going to the paint. He went to the paint a lot in Toronto as well as his mid range game. I honestly don't care for your answer since it's likely biased. I'm hoping for Heat fans to chime in and give their honest opinion. I've seen a lot of them upset this year that Bosh still isn't taking it to the paint and is taking too many outside jumpers. I guess people expect to see a more Toronto-like Bosh when he's playing as the leader of the team. He showed some flashes of good inside game with the big 3, but I expected much more this year... at least from what we've seen

LilEddyCurry

12-10-2014, 05:59 AM

You guys realize that if Wade wasn't on the Heat then Bosh would still have a very large role on the Heat and would of operated in more pick and roles, pick and pops and post ups. It's not just Lebron's "fault" that Bosh started shooting 3s, it was also Wade along with Lebron.

buddha

12-10-2014, 06:02 AM

Habit? There is no LeBron driving to the paint to force him to the corner. He's shooting the 3s himself and avoiding the paint.

And this topic was only talked to death 2 days into the season. Now that we are deeper, true colors are starting to show.
he spent 4 years developing a 3 point shot, he might as well use it.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 06:03 AM

he spent 4 years developing a 3 point shot, he might as well use it.
I agree he should use it, but he should be going to the paint less than he was when he played with LeBron?

poido123

12-10-2014, 06:05 AM

Original post is to point out hypocrisy in LeBron haters agendas.

Still haven't answered the question of why Bosh didn't develop any 2 man game with LeBron and going to the paint. He went to the paint a lot in Toronto as well as his mid range game. I honestly don't care for your answer since it's likely biased. I'm hoping for Heat fans to chime in and give their honest opinion. I've seen a lot of them upset this year that Bosh still isn't taking it to the paint and is taking too many outside jumpers. I guess people expect to see a more Toronto-like Bosh when he's playing as the leader of the team. He showed some flashes of good inside game with the big 3, but I expected much more this year... at least from what we've seen

Since when do you ever make non - lebron biased posts!?!? :oldlol:

I don't think you've watched much Bosh before the Heat if you think he played a lot more in the paint then. Stop talking out of your Ass.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 06:27 AM

Since when do you ever make non - lebron biased posts!?!? :oldlol:

I don't think you've watched much Bosh before the Heat if you think he played a lot more in the paint then. Stop talking out of your Ass.
Watch any Raptors Bosh highlights video or look at the pic I posted in the first post which shows that Bosh took about 35% of shots in the paint in Toronto and around 20 some percent on the Heat.

poido123

12-10-2014, 06:52 AM

Watch any Raptors Bosh highlights video or look at the pic I posted in the first post which shows that Bosh took about 35% of shots in the paint in Toronto and around 20 some percent on the Heat.

He wasn't a paint player in Toronto either.

You can account the 15 percent difference to increased focus on 3pt shooting, it wasn't a drastic change of his game, he was never a paint player to begin with.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 07:11 AM

He wasn't a paint player in Toronto either.

You can account the 15 percent difference to increased focus on 3pt shooting, it wasn't a drastic change of his game, he was never a paint player to begin with.
He was always primarily a mid range shooter, but he still had much more paint game on the Raptors. Look at any Youtube video of him playing on there and you'll see a different bosh. Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT__LN7Sj7Q

No matter what, there's no excuse for him to go to the paint less this year. There's absolutely no reason he should be in the paint less than when he was playing with LeBron. He even said himself that he doesn't like to go into the paint as much anymore. It's not a controversial opinion to say Bosh goes in the paint less these days.

poido123

12-10-2014, 07:22 AM

He was always primarily a mid range shooter, but he still had much more paint game on the Raptors. Look at any Youtube video of him playing on there and you'll see a different bosh. Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT__LN7Sj7Q

No matter what, there's no excuse for him to go to the paint less this year. There's absolutely no reason he should be in the paint less than when he was playing with LeBron. He even said himself that he doesn't like to go into the paint as much anymore. It's not a controversial opinion to say Bosh goes in the paint less these days.

Ok.

Not the argument I thought you were trying to make. The varejeo thing was a bad example since he doesn't shoot 3s at all and they have love for the Bosh role.

Nash

12-10-2014, 08:31 AM

Love spends so much time in the post even though he's a better 3 point shooter than Bosh and less athletic.
Bosh game has always been the midrange. It just got slightly wider in Miami with the 3 point shot.

Dresta

12-10-2014, 08:55 AM

Bosh is a face-up player. What is so difficult for OP to understand about that?

Combat Wombat

12-10-2014, 10:27 AM

Bosh is a face-up player. What is so difficult for OP to understand about that?

Let's be fair to the OP.

It must be difficult to for him to understand anything, let alone basketball, with another mans nuts so far down his throat

Nash

12-10-2014, 10:49 AM

op is not in the wrong, but people need to realize that a stretch 4 with 3 point range was a more natural evolution for Bosh than bangin' down low.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 02:23 PM

Bosh is a face-up player. What is so difficult for OP to understand about that?
I agree, and that's why I find it odd that Kobe stans keep claiming that LeBron turned him into a spot up shooter. Trying to find a Kobe stan to answer, but they are dodging this like the plague

AnaheimLakers24

12-10-2014, 02:28 PM

not suprised that a bandwagon loser like op doesnt know why he isnt.

andy played with bran before (ya, brans career didnt start in miami if you didnt know)

AnaheimLakers24

12-10-2014, 02:28 PM

op has no life outside this forum

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 02:36 PM

not suprised that a bandwagon loser like op doesnt know why he isnt.

andy played with bran before (ya, brans career didnt start in miami if you didnt know)
So you won't say Bron turns his teammates into spot up shooters anymore? Cool

Fire Colangelo

12-10-2014, 02:42 PM

Same reason why Lebron ball didn't turn Birdman/Joel Anthony/Greg Oden/Etc into 3 point shooters.

The only reason Bosh was "turned" into a 3 point shooter (which is one of the dumbest thing I've heard on here btw) is because Bosh actually had a decent stroke from mid, and had potential from the 3.

So for the benefit of his team, Bosh extended his range to the 3 pointer...

pegasus

12-10-2014, 03:12 PM

The same reason Joel Anthony wasn't shooting 3's. Well, except when Lebron would pass him the ball at the last second of a close game.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 03:40 PM

MastaKilla

12-10-2014, 03:44 PM

anybody who doesn't think or realize that Bosh had to dramatically change the way he played offense after joining the HEAT and after 2011 is blind. I mean this isn't even a question. Varejo doesn't shoot 3's because he can't, same reason Birdman and Anthony never shot 3's.

But to think playing with Lebron doesn't making players play out of their comfort zones and shoot more 3's is crazy...

just look at Kevin Love, last year he took 19 shots per game and attempted 6.6 threes per game,

this year he shoots 12.5 shots per game and attempts 4.8 threes per game..

tpols

12-10-2014, 03:50 PM

Word. Seems like everyone is in agreement now. I just wanted to put the notion that lebron turned Bosh into a spot up shooter to rest

You can just look at chris bosh's shooting charts to disprove that...

2004- 2010 (years before the BIG 3)

Bosh takes 34% of his shots right around the rim.
2% of his shots are 3 pointers.

The big 3 era Bosh and his development..

2% of Bosh's shots in 2011 are 3 pointers.
4% of Bosh's shots in 2012 are 3 pointers.
8% of Bosh's shots in 2013 are 3 pointers.
23% of Bosh's shots in 2014 are 3 pointers.

The evolution of the spot up shooter.. and now that playstyle has been ingrained in his mind and muscle memory for eternity. Sucks...

navy

12-10-2014, 03:54 PM

3 point shooting was a natural progression in Bosh's game. He's a great shooter and is now shooting more than ever now that Lebron is gone. Adding the three point shot allows him to be a mismatch at the center postion even though he gives up size. He will continue to shoot 3s no matter who he plays with. Take Wade out the lineup and he will still shoot threes. He has been effective and clutch has been as well.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 04:05 PM

You can just look at chris bosh's shooting charts to disprove that...

2004- 2010 (years before the BIG 3)

Bosh takes 34% of his shots right around the rim.
2% of his shots are 3 pointers.
Playing with LeBron

The big 3 era Bosh and his development..

2% of Bosh's shots in 2011 are 3 pointers.
4% of Bosh's shots in 2012 are 3 pointers.
8% of Bosh's shots in 2013 are 3 pointers.
23% of Bosh's shots in 2014 are 3 pointers.

The evolution of the spot up shooter.. and now that playstyle has been ingrained in his mind and muscle memory for eternity. Sucks...
This is already addressed. We know that he added 3 pt playing on the Heat. He was already a spot up shooter on the Raptors without a 3 pt game.

Still doesn't explain why he's playing even less inside this year since he doesn't have to clear the paint for driving

FatComputerNerd

12-10-2014, 04:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAGLNKFSSDE

tpols

12-10-2014, 04:12 PM

This is already addressed. We know that he added 3 pt playing on the Heat. He was already a spot up shooter on the Raptors without a 3 pt game.

Still doesn't explain why he's playing even less inside this year since he doesn't have to clear the paint for driving

He's playing less inside because thats the way hes been used to playing for the past 4 years. He took ~35% of his shots at the rim in toronto. He never even approached that percentage in miami. His game used to be a mix of high post play and slashing through the lane. After Miami his game is almost pure mid/long range. He used to get 50% of his shots in and around the paint.. now he only gets 30%. His playstyle has changed a lot.

GrapeApe

12-10-2014, 04:16 PM

The topic of this thread feels like a bit of a strawman. Saying that LeBron turns teammates into spot up shooters is a cliche for trolls, and it never really applied to Bosh anyway. Nobody ever claimed Bosh was some kind of low post beast that LeBron somehow neutered. He's always been a perimeter oriented big, so as others have mentioned, extending his range to become a stretch 4 was a natural progression.

navy

12-10-2014, 04:20 PM

ArbitraryWater

12-10-2014, 04:54 PM

Too many ISH posters sensitive to OP's facts.

Spacing.

Cleveland has Kyrie instead of Wade to space the floor.. Love who also loves spotting up. Cleveland already has a bunch of shooters to make room for varejo.

Miami had a center and a sg who couldn't space the floor.. So Bosh being a high post player was forced to take a few steps back and start shooting the long ball to balance the court out again . If Bosh didn't make that sacrifice LeBron would literally have one spot up shooter to toss the ball to.. Mario Chalmers.. Would never work.

Spacing? :biggums:

Miami Heat were constantly praised for their spacing... It's HARDLY a difference, not notable.

Hey Yo

12-10-2014, 05:09 PM

Sept. 2014

"Miami Heat big man Chris Bosh said that he's looking forward to playing a bigger role in the offense next season and returning to the low block, via the South Florida Sun Sentinel's Shandel Richardson.

“I had to play a role,” Bosh said Tuesday, speaking at an appearance at a Warren Henry Auto Group event in Kendall. “I had to play the role for the championships. I feel that I'm back to doing what comes naturally for me, which is being back in the post, being more aggressive. I'm really excited to show the city of Miami what I have.”

“They didn't need me to do that [play in the post],” Bosh said. “(Wade) and LeBron were our post guys. I kind of really used to those tools that I gained and put it all together.”

“It's just like riding a bike,” Bosh said. “You never forget. I have a lot of experience, years and years. Even though I didn't get much experience, I always worked on it because I knew I was going to keep it sharp.”

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24723688/heats-chris-bosh-says-hes-excited-to-play-in-the-post-again

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 05:16 PM

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Sept. 2014

"Miami Heat big man Chris Bosh said that he's looking forward to playing a bigger role in the offense next season and returning to the low block, via the South Florida Sun Sentinel's Shandel Richardson.

tpols

12-10-2014, 06:20 PM

Too many ISH posters sensitive to OP's facts.

Spacing? :biggums:

Miami Heat were constantly praised for their spacing... It's HARDLY a difference, not notable.
Hardly a difference? The Cavs have Kyrie instead of Wade shooting some of the most shots on the team.. He spaces the floor way more. It's a huge difference. They have Kevin Love playing bosh's role. Varejo is playing the Birdman role off those two shooters + LeBron. Bosh had to shoot long because the team didn't start as many shooters throughout their lineup.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 07:27 PM

Hardly a difference? The Cavs have Kyrie instead of Wade shooting some of the most shots on the team.. He spaces the floor way more. It's a huge difference. They have Kevin Love playing bosh's role. Varejo is playing the Birdman role off those two shooters + LeBron. Bosh had to shoot long because the team didn't start as many shooters throughout their lineup.
Still haven't provided a compelling argument for why Bosh is shooting LESS in the paint this year than he was with LeBron.

If the argument is that LeBron turns Bosh into a spot up shooter, that's debunked by his high midrange spot up shooting before he joined LeBron.

If the argument is that LeBron forced Bosh out of the paint, that doesn't explain why Bosh is in the paint LESS than he was with LeBron. Bosh even said he's going to take it to the paint more, and has failed to do that so far.

aj1987

12-10-2014, 07:38 PM

You can just look at chris bosh's shooting charts to disprove that...

2004- 2010 (years before the BIG 3)

Bosh takes 34% of his shots right around the rim.
2% of his shots are 3 pointers.

The big 3 era Bosh and his development..

2% of Bosh's shots in 2011 are 3 pointers.
4% of Bosh's shots in 2012 are 3 pointers.
8% of Bosh's shots in 2013 are 3 pointers.
23% of Bosh's shots in 2014 are 3 pointers.

The evolution of the spot up shooter.. and now that playstyle has been ingrained in his mind and muscle memory for eternity. Sucks...
Do you even follow the NBA? All good shooters have made the 3 ball a weapon. Bosh is still taking ~23% of his shots from beyond the arc. Also, Bosh HIMSELF stated that he DOESN'T PLAY IN THE POST ANYMORE, since it's too demanding. Dude is soft as ****.

The obligatory insult: You're an idiot.

Element

12-10-2014, 07:39 PM

This totally ignores that Bosh is drawing a gazillion more foul shots this year than with LeBron

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 07:44 PM

This totally ignores that Bosh is drawing a gazillion more foul shots this year than with LeBron
So 2011 he was taking about .345 FT per FGA
2012, .333 FTA per FGA

This year, .349 FT per FGA

Not a big enough disparity to explain it IMO. His FGA in the paint should at least be the same, but definitely not worse than the last few years.

J Shuttlesworth

12-10-2014, 07:45 PM

Do you even follow the NBA? All good shooters have made the 3 ball a weapon. Bosh is still taking ~23% of his shots from beyond the arc. Also, Bosh HIMSELF stated that he DOESN'T PLAY IN THE POST ANYMORE, since it's too demanding. Dude is soft as ****.

The obligatory insult: You're an idiot.
Thank you, someone who actually watches the Heat for commenting. I really wanted to see what the Heat fans thought of this more than anyone.