Several Knick players (sources): Melo is not playing team basketball

[Kidbasketball20]

The New York Knicks were en route to their fifth straight loss last week against Brooklyn when a frustrated Tim Hardaway Jr. screamed angrily, "Get the rebound!"

Certain his second-year teammate was speaking to him, Carmelo Anthony approached Hardaway on the way down the court and used an expletive to ask Hardaway who in the world he thought he was talking to.

Anthony, according to sources, used another expletive in telling Hardaway he was going to beat him up when they got into the locker room after the game.

While the two players never wound up fighting, the episode was emblematic of the volatile state of the Knicks. Off to their worst start in franchise history at 4-19, the Knicks are a team full of discord, defiance and doubt, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

"Nobody's taken a swing at anybody, but there's a lot of arguing and cursing each other out after games," one source said.

Several Knicks, in addition to Hardaway, are at odds with Anthony and believe he is not playing team basketball. Sources said players voiced their displeasure with Anthony over the weekend, telling him he shoots too much, doesn't move or pass the ball, and plays defense only when he feels like it.

Sources said the most tension exists between Anthony and Hardaway, as they haven't cared for each other almost since Hardaway joined the team last season, with each player believing the other shoots too much and doesn't care about defense. Sources said Hardaway was also bothered by the favorable treatment Anthony received under last season's coach, Mike Woodson.

One thing Anthony and his teammates do agree on is their disdain for the triangle offense, sources said. For weeks, if not longer, the players have been ready to ditch the triangle and move on to another system. They feel like other teams know what they are going to run and where they are going to go on the court, which makes it easier to stop them.

When team president Phil Jackson gave his state of the team address Monday, he said the Knicks players have shown defiance to the changes he and Fisher have made in the name of "changing the culture."

"There's some resistance to discipline and order and culture change and things like that," Jackson said.

The players' dislike for the triangle is a part of that. But there is more.

Last season, under Woodson, the Knicks switched on defense. This season, under Fisher, they don't switch, which has some players grumbling.

Also, the day after losses, Woodson would typically hold voluntarily workouts that were light and nondemanding. Fisher, however, holds full-fledged practices and works the players hard.

"Guys are definitely frustrated," one source said. "But some of it's just basketball stuff that the players don't like doing. When somebody's demanding that you make a hard cut, you don't like it because you have to work harder. When someone says it's not OK to throw a bulls--- pass, guys don't like it."

But the players don't feel like Fisher is being too hard on them, sources said. In fact, some feel his sideline demeanor is too stoic and that they would like to see more emotion out of him.

"They almost want to see Fisher get upset during a game," one source said. "They want to know that their coach will go to battle with them, that he'll fight for them. They're not seeing any emotion out of him."

With free agents who signed before Sept. 16 becoming available for trade Dec. 15, the Knicks could look to make roster changes soon -- with sources saying J.R. Smith is the player they'd most like to trade.


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In conclusion:
- No one likes the triangle offense
- No one wants to play with Melo
- They want to get rid of JR
- Fisher works them too hard in practice
- Fisher isn't emotional enough during games
- Hardaway and Melo do not care for each other at all

:roll: :roll: :roll: :applause: The 2014-2015 New York Knicks everyone!

[bluechox2]

anyone want melo

[bagelred]

Post the source.

[J Shuttlesworth]

http://i.imgur.com/ofiS5PX.gif

[Akrazotile]

Wait werent the Knicks supposed to contend for at least the conference finals in each of the last 5 years??


Thats what all their fans told me at the beginning of every season :confusedshrug:

[MellowYellow]

http://i.imgur.com/IK0pB.png

[Kidbasketball20]

Post the source.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/12008328/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-heart-team-discord-sources-say

[Kidbasketball20]

http://i.imgur.com/IK0pB.png

Yup. It's just sooo far fetched that any Knick would make these comments! And so specific too! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:




You can't handle the truth that the Knicks hate Melo and know he's disastrous for team basketball.

[MellowYellow]

Melo is getting less touches and shooting less than he has in previous years. He is also passing the ball more and the team struggles for large periods of time where he is barely touching the ball. So it makes no sense for this story to come out now, other than just the Knicks are losing.

[Kidbasketball20]

Melo is getting less touches and shooting less than he has in previous years. He is also passing the ball more and the team struggles for large periods of time where he is barely touching the ball. So it makes no sense for this story to come out now, other than just the Knicks are losing.

"
Several Knicks, in addition to Hardaway, are at odds with Anthony and believe he is not playing team basketball. Sources said players voiced their displeasure with Anthony over the weekend, telling him he shoots too much, doesn't move or pass the ball, and plays defense only when he feels like it."


Shooting less? :facepalm :facepalm

[tontoz]

Melo doesnt play team ball? You don't say.

In other breaking news, the Earth is round.

[MellowYellow]

"
Several Knicks, in addition to Hardaway, are at odds with Anthony and believe he is not playing team basketball. Sources said players voiced their displeasure with Anthony over the weekend, telling him he shoots too much, doesn't move or pass the ball, and plays defense only when he feels like it."


Shooting less? :facepalm :facepalm

I am stating facts bro idgaf what the report says, Melo is only taking 18.8 shots a game. Thats 4 less than Kobe, and only .7 more than Lebron who has multiple all-stars on his team.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Report: Carmelo Anthony may require knee surgery (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/10/report-carmelo-anthony-may-require-knee-surgery/)

[Kidbasketball20]

I am stating facts bro idgaf what the report says, Melo is only taking 18.8 shots a game. Thats 4 less than Kobe, and only .7 more than Lebron who has multiple all-stars on his team.

23 pts on 19 shots a game is terrible. He should pass EVEN MORE "bro"

[Akrazotile]

I am stating facts bro idgaf what the report says, Melo is only taking 18.8 shots a game. Thats 4 less than Kobe, and only .7 more than Lebron who has multiple all-stars on his team.


Well teammates are generally more forgiving if you actually make your shots.

[magmo68]

They suck

[MellowYellow]

23 pts on 19 shots a game is terrible. He should pass EVEN MORE "bro"

So I guess LMA is also terrible 22 pts on 19 shots
Dirk 19 pts on 15 shots
Love 17 pts on 13 shots

[Fiasco]

Well in order for him to play team ball he'd need an actual team first.

[hawkfan]

So I guess LMA is also terrible 22 pts on 19 shots
Dirk 19 pts on 15 shots
Love 17 pts on 13 shots

Those guys draw double teams, but also they are winning.
Melo, right now, isn't making his teammates better.

[MellowYellow]

Those guys draw double teams, but also they are winning.
Melo, right now, isn't making his teammates better.

You can shine a turd, but a turd is still a turd.
And Melo gets double teamed more than anyone in the league, nobody to take pressure off him.

[Kidbasketball20]

So I guess LMA is also terrible 22 pts on 19 shots
Dirk 19 pts on 15 shots
Love 17 pts on 13 shots

LMA makes up for it on defense
Dirk is a legend who rebounds
Love is the #3 option and rebounds


Melo doesn't play defense pass or rebound. How can you keep excusing this. :facepalm

[Real14]

Well in order for him to play team ball he'd need an actual team first.
I say its half and half. We need better players but we also need a better leader in Melo. REAL phucking talk man:facepalm

[Akrazotile]

You can shine a turd, but a turd is still a turd.
And Melo gets double teamed more than anyone in the league, nobody to take pressure off him.


Lol the myth of the double team strikes again.

[russwest0]

They should have let Melo walk elsewhere.

I imagine that the NY/CLE game where Melo played like total shit and threw the game away with Hardaway playing great is kind of where the tipping point of this all was.

[MellowYellow]

LMA makes up for it on defense
Dirk is a legend who rebounds
Love is the #3 option and rebounds


Melo doesn't play defense pass or rebound. How can you keep excusing this. :facepalm

LMA is not a great defender
Dirk Does not rebound well anymore
Love should have a higher efficiency as the 3rd option

[KungFuJoe]

This just further illustrates how bad Kobe is.

[Kidbasketball20]

LMA is not a great defender
Dirk Does not rebound well anymore
Love should have a higher efficiency as the 3rd option

So you choose to ignore the part where I said

Melo doesn't play defense pass or rebound.


I'll give you he should be shooting a lot, but come on. He gotta do the other things too.

[MellowYellow]

So you choose to ignore the part where I said

Melo doesn't play defense pass or rebound.


I'll give you he should be shooting a lot, but come on. He gotta do the other things too.

6.6 reb 3.2 assists is good enough to win some basketball games dude

[Kidbasketball20]

6.6 reb 3.2 assists is good enough to win some basketball games dude

He has teammates saying "he shoots too much, doesn't move or pass the ball, and plays defense only when he feels like it."


Not to mention STATISTICALLY out of 48 SF's he has the lowest defensive real plus minus.


He's not a good player. Good scorer? Yes.

Good player? Good teammate? No.

[smoovegittar]

Noted troll poster. Didn't read.

[MellowYellow]

He has teammates saying "he shoots too much, doesn't move or pass the ball, and plays defense only when he feels like it."


Not to mention STATISTICALLY out of 48 SF's he has the lowest defensive real plus minus.


He's not a good player. Good scorer? Yes.

Good player? Good teammate? No.

Defense is a team stat, Iman Shumper is supposedly a good defender yet he has a negative drpm as well as a negative ORPM

But look who has the highest ORPM for small forwards!
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM/position/5

ETHER

[Real14]

Noted troll poster. Didn't read.
Exactly.

[SCdac]

Still LMAO Phil Jackson chose to be a part of this mess

[HomieWeMajor]

PJax took the money and ran.:oldlol: He know what he was doing. One last payday.

[Kidbasketball20]

Noted troll poster. Didn't read.

Yet you decided to post. :confusedshrug:
Missed out on a good article.

[NuggetsFan]

It's hilarious how badly he wanted to go to NY and forced himself there only to destroy his career. He'll still make millions and probably what he cares about most but what an awful career move NY has been for him :lol

[Kidbasketball20]

Defense is a team stat, Iman Shumper is supposedly a good defender yet he has a negative drpm as well as a negative ORPM

But look who has the highest ORPM for small forwards!
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM/position/5

ETHER

You can't ether anything when your team is 4-19.

[MellowYellow]

You can't ether anything when your team is 4-19.
It's not his fault, it's not his fault.

[Real14]

You can't ether anything when your team is 4-19.
A lin fan who cant even start on the phucking lakers got the damn nerve to talk:coleman:

[smoovegittar]

Yet you decided to post. :confusedshrug:
Missed out on a good article.

I don't need to join the feeding frenzy of Knick haters stroking each other. I live 35 minutes outside of Manhattan - I can get all the negative publicity I can stand.

When someone (like yourself) posts things against my team just about every day, they ruin any credibility they may have had in ISH.

This is why I posted. Any thoughts on your Nets?

[QuebecBaller]

Melo + Amar'e for D-Will + JJ + Lopez?

:D

[kurple]

anyone want melo
i think i'm pretty much alone, but i'd easily take Melo back to Denver, would trade anything but Lawson, Nurkic or any 1sts

[Kidbasketball20]

I don't need to join the feeding frenzy of Knick haters stroking each other. I live 35 minutes outside of Manhattan - I can get all the negative publicity I can stand.

When someone (like yourself) posts things against my team just about every day, they ruin any credibility they may have had in ISH.

This is why I posted. Any thoughts on your Nets?

"Credibility" on ISH. A major goal for me. *sarcasm*

[STATUTORY]

It's hilarious how badly he wanted to go to NY and forced himself there only to destroy his career. He'll still make millions and probably what he cares about most but what an awful career move NY has been for him :lol

Melo thinks because he has a twitter app and a smartphone that he's an adept operator in the social media and technology space. He probably thinks he can have a career in movie/media/social networks after his career is over. Players like that with plurality of goals and lacking professional focus rarely achieve anything both on and off the court

[smoovegittar]

i think i'm pretty much alone, but i'd easily take Melo back to Denver, would trade anything but Lawson, Nurkic or any 1sts
You're not alone. You understand that under the right conditions, Melo is a scoring machine and has done pretty much all he could in NY.

Yeah, he's the worst player ever. That's why Chicago, LA, Houston and pretty much every other organization had visions of him in their colors in the off-season.

There's some clowns in here that are REALLY f*cking stupid..

[tontoz]

It's hilarious how badly he wanted to go to NY and forced himself there only to destroy his career. He'll still make millions and probably what he cares about most but what an awful career move NY has been for him :lol

Did he ever miss the playoffs in Denver?

[PJR]

Still LMAO Phil Jackson chose to be a part of this mess

60 million in the bank doe.

[navy]

Did he ever miss the playoffs in Denver?
last year was the first time he ever missed the playoffs.

Melo isnt a career loser. A least not in the regular season.

[Blue&Orange]

Chris Brossard talks about the Knicks and suddenly he his the most respectable reporter out there.

"One sauce said"
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"One sauce said"
"One sauce said"
"One sauce said"

[Real14]

Chris Brossard talks about the Knicks and suddenly he his the most respectable reporter out there.



There's your answer bro. The knicks are indeed the most hated NBA team.