Can we throw John Wall into mvp discussions yet?

[LiLharvard]

Haven't posted on here in a while, but, yesterday i watched the wiz/celtics game and potentially the greatest game of the young season so far and i couldn't help but marvel at john wall (26pts 17asts 7rebs on 58% shooting) and what he was doing out there the game went to double OT sure .. but .. what a game he was doing it on all ends of the floor aswell swatting shots left right and centre gleaming at the crowd with that becoming trade-mark snarl and what impressed me the most was his composure in the big situations on multiple late game possessions as this game went 2OT... probs just the TO"s holding him back i don't really see many people in the front of him .. #1pg right now no question.

[AnaheimLakers24]

wizards will never win a ring in the future

[navy]

#1pg right now no question.
Curry and Chris Paul?

[Cocaine80s]

Next year

[Genaro]

Wall will end up in the top 10 voting but it isn't his time yet. He might be in serious conversations in a few years.

[IncarceratedBob]

Not a chance

[LiLharvard]

Wall will end up in the top 10 voting but it isn't his time yet. He might be in serious conversations in a few years.
sticky this thread. It's his time trust me .. i've seen it.. the red lady

[Real14]

Nope, its too early to tell.

[LiLharvard]

Couple more games and he'll be on the espn/ nba front page with "mvp potential"
the crying interview is adding to the legacy

[Im Still Ballin]

Demarcus Cousins is 2x a more valid MVP candidate than John Wall

[Relinquish]

Demarcus Cousins is 2x a more valid MVP candidate than John Wall

:kobe:

[LiLharvard]

Demarcus Cousins is 2x a more valid MVP candidate than John Wall

Cousins is a fat moppey slob- Wall is a stream line gazelle operating ferarri speeds with an elite skillset and he is what you call "mvp" material the people can relate to him. .. cousins never

[Relinquish]

I feel like Wall is in the discussion but he's going to have to play incredibly well for 62 more games just be considered, and he most likely won't win it. I like fans who root for my team and my favorite player (who doesn't), but please do relax a bit on the stanning.

[LiLharvard]

its ok to throw him into mvp discussions i mean we have demarcus cousins in there :wtf:

and its not really even unrealistic to think he could have a serious chance.. the season has been somewhat funny with lebron being on a new team, rose being mostly injured, KD only returning and James Harden doesn't play defence?
Anthony davis is obviously the standout with Stephen Curry

[Relinquish]

its ok to throw him into mvp discussions i mean we have demarcus cousins in there :wtf:

and its not really even unrealistic to think he could have a serious chance.. the season has been somewhat funny with lebron being on a new team, rose being mostly injured, KD only returning and James Harden doesn't play defence?
Anthony davis is obviously the standout with Stephen Curry

Rose is always injured, that's not unusual at all. Rose is done, accept it. Also, Harden is having is best season ever defensively by a wide margin.

[LiLharvard]

This is how most valuable player works...


if i swap john wall with james harden... the rockets get better and the wizards get worse. John Wall is valuable this is the point guard era my friend.

[LiLharvard]

trap game today, the kid is still throwing his body around like he's playing the cleveland cavaliers. 2blocks in the first mins .. and as usual facilitating and scoring with ease.

[Relinquish]

trap game today, the kid is still throwing his body around like he's playing the cleveland cavaliers. 2blocks in the first mins .. and as usual facilitating and scoring with ease.

He's playing great so far, too bad everyone else is playing relatively shit.

[tontoz]

Wall has picked up his play in December. His play was not that great in November.

I think he is a clear cut All-Star but not a MVP candidate yet.

[LiLharvard]

He's playing great so far, too bad everyone else is playing relatively shit.


the 2nd unit really picked it up.. it wasn't so much that everyone was playing badly.. we played well it was just a trap game there wasnt many people in the stands and the players lacked intensity .. you could see it in the turnovers... almost every player had at least 1to. The 2nd unit just came on and controlled proceedings.. its nice to see Bradley Beal is developing into a clear cut young star... i hope he hits the gym a bit more next season and adds a few more strings to his bow.
The only disappointing thing is Nene, i'm not sure if there is an injury there or something .. i cant remember him ever being worth his 12mill a year contract he looks sluggish ..and his game relies on quickness.. i haven't seen his jumper be consistent .. at all.

-wizkid

[Fire Colangelo]

This is how most valuable player works...


if i swap john wall with james harden... the rockets get better and the wizards get worse. John Wall is valuable this is the point guard era my friend.

what makes you say that....?

Harden carried his team to 18-5 with Dwight missing 12 games, Jones missing 19 games, Beverly missing 12 games.

Obviously Wizards were missing Beal, but the Rockets were missing 3 starters.

[ProfessorMurder]

wizards will never win a ring in the future
And that stopped Bran from winning MVP 2 times before winning the finals how?

[LiLharvard]

John Wall is far more valuable to a BASKETBALL TEAM than James Harden was basically my arguement... you could delve deeper and say well the rockets wouldn't really win those games if wall was in hardens place... but im not really disputing that.. Harden won those games with individual flair.... shots only fall for so long.

[Relinquish]

John Wall has been named Eastern Conference player of the week. He averaged 18.3 points, a league-best 11.8 asts, and 2.5 steals in 4 wins.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Fire Colangelo]

John Wall is far more valuable to a BASKETBALL TEAM than James Harden was basically my arguement... you could delve deeper and say well the rockets wouldn't really win those games if wall was in hardens place... but im not really disputing that.. Harden won those games with individual flair.... shots only fall for so long.

You said swap Harden with Wall, the Rockets get better and the Wizards get worse.

Couldn't disagree more.

I'm a huge John Wall guy, but I don't see how he's much more "valuable" to a basketball team than James Harden.

Harden is on a team with nobody else (other than Dwight) that can create a shot for themselves. Wall has options like Nene/Gortat down low, Pierce and Beal on the wing.

I mean, that's like saying Tony Parker was more valuable than someone like Kobe in 07.

[russwest0]

Curry and Chris Paul?

:facepalm both of you clowns.

[Legends66NBA7]

:facepalm both of you clowns.

Still both better than Wall.

[russwest0]

You said swap Harden with Wall, the Rockets get better and the Wizards get worse.

Couldn't disagree more.

I'm a huge John Wall guy, but I don't see how he's much more "valuable" to a basketball team than James Harden.

Harden is on a team with nobody else (other than Dwight) that can create a shot for themselves. Wall has options like Nene/Gortat down low, Pierce and Beal on the wing.

I mean, that's like saying Tony Parker was more valuable than someone like Kobe in 07.

Westbrook is more valuable than both. By far.

The other night he had continued his streak of 20-5-5 games... In just the first half.

[ralph_i_el]

I don't think he's an mvp candidate. He's playing great but it's the D that has us winning games.

He may be firmly in the top-10 by the end of the year though.

Wall has lots of defensive highlights/blocks/steals, but I don't think he's actually that good of a defender yet. I dread games when we play small/quick PnR guards because Wall is just average chasing guys around picks.

[Dengness9]

Wall is great but the only MVP discussion he is in right now is "players playing at near MVP numbers coinciding with said players team doing well but in reality the chance said player winds up with MVP this year is ZERO % .

Like others are saying. In a couple more years if the Wiz can keep progressing, he'll have chances.

[Fire Colangelo]

Westbrook is more valuable than both. By far.

The other night he had continued his streak of 20-5-5 games... In just the first half.

No doubt, he's carrying the Thunder right now especially with Durant having restricted minutes.

Wish he hadn't gotten injured this year so we can really see him beast with Durant out, similar to what Durant did last year.

[bballnoob1192]

I wouldn't give a point an MVP until a PG can actually lead a team to the finals/win the chip.

PG least impactful position in the league. I'd rather take an elite 2/3/4/5 position player over a point guard any time of the week. **** PGs and their overrated ass.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

He's top 10 but he's not a serious contender to win it. It will be Curry, Harden, Durant or LeBron.

[The Macho Man]

For sure

Best player on the best team

[LiLharvard]

Wall has picked up his play in December. His play was not that great in November.

I think he is a clear cut All-Star but not a MVP candidate yet.



So Marc Gasol is an mvp candidate but john wall isnt? How old is everyone in this forum?


http://cdn.slamonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/slam_184.jpg

[tontoz]

So Marc Gasol is an mvp candidate but john wall isnt? How old is everyone in this forum?




I am 48 and have watched every game Wall has played this season. He is on a good run now but wasn't that good in november.

On the year his TS is 52.6% and his ORTG is 106. All of the top pgs have better efficiency than Wall. Wall might be the best defender at the point but he needs to improve his scoring efficiency and cut down his turnovers to be in the MVP discussion.

[LiLharvard]

throwing out empty stats like ts % and some other mumbo jumbo craaap.

Do me a favour and listen to what the real experts are saying.... If you've watched every John Wall game this season you would know he's the best pg in the league so far. Check out his game logs .. watch the game against Chris Paul where he made him look like christmas pudding.
John Wall and Harden are the front runners for the mvp... i will swallow my pride right now agree that Harden is leading the race right now... but nobody else is doing anything special..

[Smoke117]

I really like Wall...but I only discuss guys that actually have a chance in hell of winning MVP. John Wall is not one of those players. He's not even close to guys in the West like Harden, Gasol, and Curry when it comes to MVP consideration. He plays in the east...and frankly that just has to be said. The Wizards would have to win 62+ games for him to get any real consideration.

[PsychoBe]

is arenas all over again :facepalm

[tontoz]

throwing out empty stats like ts % and some other mumbo jumbo craaap.

Do me a favour and listen to what the real experts are saying.... If you've watched every John Wall game this season you would know he's the best pg in the league so far. Check out his game logs .. watch the game against Chris Paul where he made him look like christmas pudding.
John Wall and Harden are the front runners for the mvp... i will swallow my pride right now agree that Harden is leading the race right now... but nobody else is doing anything special..


I watched all the games, not just the ones in december. I watched Jennings and Sloan go off on him. Jennings dropped 32/10 on him.

Making shots is a big part of basketball. All of the top pgs are doing that better than Wall. He made only 41.6% of his shots in November. Fortunately he is taking fewer shots and making them at a higher rate this month.

Wall needs to be a top 3 pg before he can be in the MVP discussion. Curry,Westbrook, and Paul are clearly better than him now.

I have seen Wall have good stretches before only to fall back. He needs to improve his scoring efficiency and cut down his turnovers to be truly elite. And showing up in the playoffs would help too.

[tontoz]

is arenas all over again :facepalm


Wall and Arenas couldn't be much more different for guys at the same position.

[Smoke117]

is arenas all over again :facepalm

John Wall and Gilbert Arenas literally have nothing in common except that they are both black, both guards, and both played for the Wizards.

[ralph_i_el]

is arenas all over again :facepalm

Are you retarded?

[LiLharvard]

I watched all the games, not just the ones in december. I watched Jennings and Sloan go off on him. Jennings dropped 32/10 on him.

Making shots is a big part of basketball. All of the top pgs are doing that better than Wall. He made only 41.6% of his shots in November. Fortunately he is taking fewer shots and making them at a higher rate this month.

Wall needs to be a top 3 pg before he can be in the MVP discussion. Curry,Westbrook, and Paul are clearly better than him now.

I have seen Wall have good stretches before only to fall back. He needs to improve his scoring efficiency and cut down his turnovers to be truly elite. And showing up in the playoffs would help too.

rediculous statement if i've ever seen one.... AND I've SEEN PLENTY on this board. Firstly, lets all understand that you don't need to put up gaudy stat lines like steph curry to be a great point guard. Some guys arn't going to score 24point off 8 shots and finish the night with 50. Steph curry is in a totally different situation... When i look at John Wall.. i see someone with freakish ability .. a heart the size of a bowling ball... and a player who can do just about anything on the basketball court. Thats basically who he is .. he can do anything on the basketball court... Does that mean he can shoot the ball as good as steph curry? NO.. Does that mean he has a midrange jumper that you could bet your house on to fall everytime ? NO
He's doing far more and doesn't always show up on the stat sheet... i'm willing to bet that you dont watch every wizards game because if you did you would realise how valuable John Wall is and know a) 1st team defence b) best passer in the league c) fastest player in the league d) best pg in league no doubt


and.... #4 on the mvp ladder- up 8 spots since i started this thread

Knuckleheads

[Ncrazyballa]

I wouldn't give a point an MVP until a PG can actually lead a team to the finals/win the chip.

PG least impactful position in the league. I'd rather take an elite 2/3/4/5 position player over a point guard any time of the week. **** PGs and their overrated ass.

bball noob indeed.

[Ncrazyballa]

I am 48

do you still live with your mom? be honest.

[tontoz]

rediculous statement if i've ever seen one.... AND I've SEEN PLENTY on this board. Firstly, lets all understand that you don't need to put up gaudy stat lines like steph curry to be a great point guard. Some guys arn't going to score 24point off 8 shots and finish the night with 50. Steph curry is in a totally different situation... When i look at John Wall.. i see someone with freakish ability .. a heart the size of a bowling ball... and a player who can do just about anything on the basketball court. Thats basically who he is .. he can do anything on the basketball court... Does that mean he can shoot the ball as good as steph curry? NO.. Does that mean he has a midrange jumper that you could bet your house on to fall everytime ? NO
He's doing far more and doesn't always show up on the stat sheet... i'm willing to bet that you dont watch every wizards game because if you did you would realise how valuable John Wall is and know a) 1st team defence b) best passer in the league c) fastest player in the league d) best pg in league no doubt


and.... #4 on the mvp ladder- up 8 spots since i started this thread

Knuckleheads

I've watched every Wizards game this year, and last year, and the year before that.

Wall is obviously leading the league in assists and is one of the top defenders at the point but his scoring is still an issue.

On the season he is taking 6.8 shots per game from 10-22 feet shooting 41%. That is not what you want from a pg.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=walljo01&match=single&year_id=2015&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=10&shot_distance_max=22&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

He is also 2nd in the NBA in total turnovers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/turnovers/sort/turnovers/order/false


Curry, Paul, Westbrook and Lillard are clearly ahead of him at the point so far this year.

Wall played better in december primarily due to taking fewer shots, only 13 per game. But he has a ways to go to become the top pg.

[tontoz]

do you still live with your mom? be honest.

My mom lives in Tenn. No state taxes there and she is on a fixed income. I live in MD. Try again dumbass.

[dubnation]

I don't think he's quite there yet tbh. All-star, great player though.

[tontoz]

8 turnovers through 3 quarters for Wall. I know Lilharvard isn't watching though.

[LiLharvard]

I've watched every Wizards game this year, and last year, and the year before that.

Wall is obviously leading the league in assists and is one of the top defenders at the point but his scoring is still an issue.

On the season he is taking 6.8 shots per game from 10-22 feet shooting 41%. That is not what you want from a pg.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=walljo01&match=single&year_id=2015&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=10&shot_distance_max=22&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

He is also 2nd in the NBA in total turnovers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/turnovers/sort/turnovers/order/false


Curry, Paul, Westbrook and Lillard are clearly ahead of him at the point so far this year.

Wall played better in december primarily due to taking fewer shots, only 13 per game. But he has a ways to go to become the top pg.

His jumper is a work in progress... just like steph curry's defence is a work in progress..
stop throwing around empty stats pls:facepalm

[tontoz]

His jumper is a work in progress... just like steph curry's defence is a work in progress..
stop throwing around empty stats pls:facepalm


Stats > ignorant opinions of people who don't watch games.