Fact: Hawks are better than Toronto.

[Richesly]

Stats don't lie.

Record:
Raptors: 16-6
Hawks: 15-6


Against the weak ECF:

Raptors: 9-4
Hawks: 12-4


At home:
Raptors: 10-3
Hawks: 10-2

Road:
Raptors: 6-3
Hawks: 5-4

L10:
Raptors: 6-4
Hawks: 9-1

Current streak:
Raptors: L1
Hawks: W8

Team 3pt %:
Raptors: 36.2% on 24 attempts a game
Hawks: 38% on 24.8 attempts a game


Points:
Raptors: 108.5
Hawks: 103.3

Team Steals:
Raptors: 7.5
Hawks: 9.0

Team FG%:
Raptors: 46.3%
Hawks: 47.2%

Opponent's PPG:
Raptors: 100.5
Hawks: 98.0

This is completely objective.

Going by numbers, Hawks are indeed a better overall team than the Raptors.

[kunk75]

who would you rather watch and who do you think will go deeper into playoffs? not the hawks i bet

[stalkerforlife]

Why don't people in Atlanta attend games?

And why does the NBA allow this city to have a franchise?

[Richesly]

Why don't people in Atlanta attend games?

And why does the NBA allow this city to have a franchise?

Hawks are at #15 in overall attendance this year and is rising drastically.

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

Please learn what the **** you are talking about, sonny.

[stalkerforlife]

Hawks are at #25 in attendance this year and is rising drastically.

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

Please learn what the **** you are talking about, sonny.

:lol

25th and they're a top team in their conference.

[Richesly]

:lol

25th and they're a top team in their conference.

I meant 15th, please correct yourself sonny.

[stalkerforlife]

I meant 15th, please correct yourself sonny.

Your link says 25th, sonny.

[Richesly]

Your link says 25th, sonny.

Gonna see how long it takes you to figure out how to sort stats out.

[Big Cheese]

please.... stop

http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

Strength of Schedule
Hawks 30th
Raptors 11th

[stalkerforlife]

Gonna see how long it takes you to figure out how to sort stats out.

25th.

[Kungfro]

Only 1 team in those 15 wins currently has a winning record, just saying.

[Fudge]

25th in attendance. :roll: Jesus christ. Even people living in Atlanta don't give a shit about this sorry ass team.

[stalkerforlife]

please.... stop

http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

Strength of Schedule
Hawks 30th
Raptors 11th

:roll:

[Richesly]

25th.

Click total under HOME.

[Richesly]

25th in attendance. :roll: Jesus christ. Even people living in Atlanta don't give a shit about this sorry ass team.


15th in attendance.

[Richesly]

Only 1 team in those 15 wins currently has a winning record, just saying.

At the time, teams had a winning record when we beat them. Such as the Heat is an example.

[Wavves]

You are single handedly making everyone dislike the Hawks.

[stalkerforlife]

Dude, it says 25th.

[stalkerforlife]

You are single handedly making everyone dislike the Hawks.

:roll:

[Im Still Ballin]

Fact: Demarcus Cousins is the best center in the league.

[Richesly]

You are single handedly making everyone dislike the Hawks.

My intentions are not to make people LIKE the Hawks, but simply educating people on the Hawks.

People think nobody shows up to the games, yet Hawks are 15th in attendance is just an example of an urban legend.

[Richesly]

Fact: Demarcus Cousins is the best center in the league.


I actually agree.

Can the hawks get him?

[Droid101]

please.... stop

http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

Strength of Schedule
Hawks 30th
Raptors 11th
#rekt

[stalkerforlife]

Fact: Demarcus Cousins is the best center in the league.

:lol

[Richesly]

Dude, it says 25th.


Brodda, do I gotta screenshot it? In home games, TOTAL attendance, Hawk's are 15th.

[stalkerforlife]

My intentions are not to make people LIKE the Hawks, but simply educating people on the Hawks.

People think nobody shows up to the games, yet Hawks are 15th in attendance is just an example of an urban legend.

25th.

[stalkerforlife]

Brodda, do I gotta screenshot it? In home games, TOTAL attendance, Hawk's are 15th.

Bro, you're high as a kite.

[Richesly]

Bro, you're high as a kite.

I did smoke about 3 grams thirty minutes ago, which is probably why I made this thread, but i'm not hallucinating. It says 15th.

[stalkerforlife]

I did smoke about 3 grams thirty minutes ago, which is probably why I made this thread, but i'm not hallucinating. It says 15th.

:roll:

:cheers:

[fpliii]

I did smoke about 3 grams thirty minutes ago, which is probably why I made this thread, but i'm not hallucinating. It says 15th.
That's the total though dude...Atlanta has played 12 home games, some of the teams ahead of them have played only 8-11 home games, so you have to use the average to put everyone on an even playing field, as opposed to just giving them zeros. Every team will end up with 41 at the end of the season, so using the average for comparisons makes the most sense.

[Wavves]

My intentions are not to make people LIKE the Hawks, but simply educating people on the Hawks.

People think nobody shows up to the games, yet Hawks are 15th in attendance is just an example of an urban legend.
And a lot of people like the Hawks, it's just a lot of people also think this is a pretty mediocre team as far as playoff teams go.

[Richesly]

And a lot of people like the Hawks, it's just a lot of people also think this is a pretty mediocre team as far as playoff teams go.


And they are mediocre as a franchise, I agree. But as team of the present? Mediocre team's are not half a game back of first seed in a conference.

[Big Cheese]

My intentions are not to make people LIKE the Hawks, but simply educating people on the Hawks.

People think nobody shows up to the games, yet Hawks are 15th in attendance is just an example of an urban legend.


dude u are looking under total fans home attendance for all games which is why it says we are 15th.

We are tied for the 3rd most home games in the league (12) but still only ranked 15th in total fan home attendance that is awful....

look at the heat. They have 2 less home games but still beat us by 12k in total fan attendance.

Please stop....

[Richesly]

dude u are looking under total fans home attendance for all games which is why it says we are 15th.

We are tied for the 3rd most home games in the league (12) but still only ranked 15th in total fan home attendance that is awful....

look at the heat. They have 2 less home games but still beat us by 12k in total fan attendance.

Please stop....

You clearly don't see the point I'm trying to make.

People make it seem like NO ONE shows up to the games because our cameras are pointed towards the club section.

Regardless, even going by averages, 25th is still not 30th like people like to say.

[stalkerforlife]

OP has a beautiful soul.

[Richesly]

OP has a beautiful soul.


Thank you, I think outside the box when I smoke sativa.

[Im Still Ballin]

I'm currently putting together a Demarcus mix

Should be done soon

[stalkerforlife]

Thank you, I think outside the box when I smoke sativa.

:roll:

I never did it. It scares me after watching all those youtube videos.

[stalkerforlife]

I'm currently putting together a Demarcus mix

Should be done soon

:biggums:

:roll:

[Wavves]

And they are mediocre as a franchise, I agree. But as team of the present? Mediocre team's are not half a game back of first seed in a conference.
Mediocre for a playoff team.

The Hawks are good, there is no doubt in my mind about that. You just have to take into consideration that the team has had the easiest schedule in the league.

[fsvr54]

:roll:

I never did it. It scares me after watching all those youtube videos.

You're thinking about Salvia.

[stalkerforlife]

You're thinking about Salvia.

Oh, true.

[Richesly]

Oh, true.


Yes.

Salvia is a psychedelic that has a high that lasts for 15 minutes.

Sativa is a class of weed that makes your creativity and thinking expand to new horizons.

I know this because once my high is over, I'll regret making this thread.

[Dave3]

Brodda, do I gotta screenshot it? In home games, TOTAL attendance, Hawk's are 15th.
So the fact that the Hawks have had more people show up to their games in 13 games than other teams have in 10 games is a good thing?

[stalkerforlife]

Yes.

Salvia is a psychedelic that has a high that lasts for 15 minutes.

Sativa is a class of weed that makes your creativity and thinking expand to new horizons.

I know this because once my high is over, I'll regret making this thread.

Don't.

It was a joy to speak to you. I am happy the Hawks have avid fans such as yourself. To the outside world, the Hawks are lame and boring. However, you keep fighting the good fight.

[red1]

I doubt that

[JohnnyBravo5]

I doubt that


Haven't had a Hawks vs a Craptors debate in years.

[Legends66NBA7]

Well, I'm just glad this was a thorough break down of stats and not just selective usage of any.

[red1]

Haven't had a Hawks vs a Craptors debate in years.
just being honest

[JtotheIzzo]

fact: my poop is marginally less stinky than yours...

[Hotlantadude81]

Toronto has beaten them twice already.

[Hotlantadude81]

:lol

25th and they're a top team in their conference.

Hey, it's 3 spots better than last year. :oldlol:

[Hotlantadude81]

fact: my poop is marginally less stinky than yours...

Anything is better than Minnesota.

[PsychoBe]

the nba is in a bad place if hawks fans and raptors fans are arguing about who the real number 1 seed is :facepalm

silver crying right now

[SouBeachTalents]

the nba is in a bad place if hawks fans and raptors fans are arguing about who the real number 1 seed is :facepalm

silver crying right now

The hell you talking about, a Raptors-Hawks ECF would get epic ratings from all the star power and franchise history in that series

[SugarHill]

the nba is in a bad place if hawks fans and raptors fans are arguing about who the real number 1 seed is :facepalm

silver crying right now

Fvck you and your wack ass Lakers. :coleman:

[Hotlantadude81]

please.... stop

http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

Strength of Schedule
Hawks 30th
Raptors 11th

I will say this... Toronto's only impressive win was a 2 point win against Memphis. I know they beat Cleveland, but that was before Cleveland started getting it together.

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/tor/toronto-raptors

If you consider the Hawks to be far more inferior you also have to realize the fact that you rank 11th in schedule is a little misleading since Toronto has played the Hawks twice.

[SugarHill]

I will say this... Toronto's only impressive win was a 2 point win against Memphis. I know they beat Cleveland, but that was before Cleveland started getting it together.

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/tor/toronto-raptors

Toronto is without Derozan :facepalm

[Hotlantadude81]

Toronto is without Derozan :facepalm

Just for a few games so far.

Facepalm that.

Cleveland is going to be better than Toronto before this year is over.

[SugarHill]

Just for a few games so far.

Facepalm that.

Cleveland is going to be better than Toronto before this year is over.

What they do while Derozan is out is irrelevant.

[Hotlantadude81]

What they do while Derozan is out is irrelevant.

You seem to be missing the point... It's not like Toronto has won a ton of meaningful games so far and Derozan has only been out for a few games and so that changes very little.

Besides, Derozan is mostly a one trick pony.

[SugarHill]

You seem to be missing the point... It's not like Toronto has won a ton of meaningful games so far and Derozan has only been out for a few games and so that changes very little.

30% of the games played so far is a sizable portion of their record, genius.

Besides, Derozan is the second best player so his presence matters, regardless of your rationalization or silly ass opinion. It matters. Period.

[Hotlantadude81]

30% of the games played so far is a sizable portion of their record, genius.

Besides, Derozan is the second best player so his presence matters, regardless of your rationalization or silly ass opinion. It matters. Period.

Toronto's schedule hasn't been that tough.... Especially if you consider the Hawks to be far inferior.... Derozan being out for 5 games doesn't really change that. Just how stupid are you?

A big part of the reason the Raptors schedule appears tough is because they've played the Hawks (15-6 record) twice. You know, the team you guys laugh at.

Saying the Hawks are far inferior means that you guys haven't had that tough of a schedule at all. That seems to be a simple point that you don't understand.

[Magic731]

You clearly don't see the point I'm trying to make.

People make it seem like NO ONE shows up to the games because our cameras are pointed towards the club section.

Regardless, even going by averages, 25th is still not 30th like people like to say.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Well done you're not dead last in the league! You attract more fans than the likes of the Nuggets, Bucks, Wolves, Sixers and Pistons! What an accomplishment! You must be so proud of how you're supposed 'elite' team is able to just fill the stadiums! You sure showed them! They thought you were last but oh how wrong they were! Instead of their being 29 franchises better than yours, theirs only 24! What a formidable franchise!

Thank you for helping to confirm what people already knew. The Hawks are pathetic. Apologies to other Hawks fans, this really isn't fair on you.

[SugarHill]

Toronto's schedule hasn't been that tough.... Especially if you consider the Hawks to be far inferior.... Derozan being out for 5 games doesn't really change that. Just how stupid are you?

A big part of the reason the Raptors schedule appears tough is because they've played the Hawks (15-6 record) twice. You know, the team you guys laugh at.

Saying the Hawks are far inferior means that you guys haven't had that tough of a schedule at all. That seems to be a simple point that you don't understand.

Derozan being out for 6 games isn't a big deal but playing the Hawks twice is the reason their schedule is bad. That logic. :applause:

I also never said a thing about the Hawks being bad yet you seem to be content lumping everyone together because of team affiliation. :applause:

A team's top 2 player being out makes a difference and if you're disputing that, then there is nothing to discuss here.

[livinglegend]

Fact: Demarcus Cousins is the best center in the league.
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Hotlantadude81]

Derozan being out for 6 games isn't a big deal but playing the Hawks twice is the reason their schedule is bad. That logic. :applause:

I also never said a thing about the Hawks being bad yet you seem to be content lumping everyone together because of team affiliation. :applause:

A team's top 2 player being out makes a difference and if you're disputing that, then there is nothing to discuss here.

If you removed the Hawks their "11th toughest schedule" wouldn't look so tough. That's all I'm saying. So, perhaps you didn't claim that the Hawks suck, but you replied with the stupid facepalms and all of that. So....

But whatever. Neither of these teams are a legit threat.

[madmax]

You are single handedly making everyone dislike the Hawks.

:lol

[RoundMoundOfReb]

SRS:
Toronto: 8.16
Atlanta: 3.37

SOS:
Toronto: 0.12
Atlanta: -1.87

[MMM]

Fact: No East team from 2015 makes the previous 10 ECFs.

The level of parity of mediocre teams should tell you how weak this East is compared to the conference over the last decade. Most these teams would have a 2nd round or 1st round exit ceiling in a normal season. Cleveland is the best title contender and they aren't even a top 5 team in the league :facepalm

As for this thread
The Raptors already made easy work out of the Hawks twice this season.

[ballup]

Hawks fans have this need to shove their team down everyone's throats no matter how good or bad their team is. They are like siblings of Knicks fans essentially

[atljonesbro]

As the Hawks keep winning the haters will have less and less excuses. 8 straight, will be nine straight come friday

[hawksdreamfan44]

Hawks are soaring!

[hawksdreamfan44]

Second true statement on this thread. I agree completely. He needs to get healthy again, though.

[Jlamb47]

Only reason Hakws have a better streak at the moment is cuz Derozan has been out. He was there leading scorer. I believe Kyle Lowry is now leading but at the time he wasnt

[Jailblazers7]

Raptors won @ ATL by double digits where they outscored the Hawks by 8 in the 4th quarter.

[3peated]

hawks aint really bout shit

[NustABut]

You've gotta admire the Hawks fans though

6-7 Years as a treadmill team and they still attend games

Although it looks like they are turning the corner under Mike Budenholzer's ball moving offense

[Phenith]

Missing an all-star player
Hawks 0
Raptors 1

Including the game DeRozan went down(about half way through a close loss), the Raps are 3-4 without him... so 12-2 with him, and 3-4 without, and Raps still have a better record currently.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Fact: No East team from 2015 makes the previous 10 ECFs.

The level of parity of mediocre teams should tell you how weak this East is compared to the conference over the last decade. Most these teams would have a 2nd round or 1st round exit ceiling in a normal season. Cleveland is the best title contender and they aren't even a top 5 team in the league :facepalm

As for this thread
The Raptors already made easy work out of the Hawks twice this season.

You don't think the Cavs or Bulls could get past the 2013/14 Pacers?

The Hawks should have beaten them in the first round, and this year's version would have done so.


Also, Rich being high all the time explains so much :oldlol:

[JohnnyBravo5]

The funny part is that the Nets tanking assures the Hawks of a lottery pic. Imagine Okafor in this system. We'd be better than the Spurs.

[Hotlantadude81]

Missing an all-star player
Hawks 0
Raptors 1

Including the game DeRozan went down(about half way through a close loss), the Raps are 3-4 without him... so 12-2 with him, and 3-4 without, and Raps still have a better record currently.

Boohoo. The dude has been out like 5 or 6 games. Horf missed 3/4's of the year last year. The Thunder have been missing both of their best players. It happens.

The people that are saying these teams are not a threat or correct. There is a reason why I'm not excited about this team despite the streak. You have to beat some of the big dogs for anything to really matter.

[Hotlantadude81]

Raptors won @ ATL by double digits where they outscored the Hawks by 8 in the 4th quarter.

Atlanta's defense has played better since... But it remains to be seen if they can keep it up.

[JohnnyBravo5]

Boohoo. The dude has been out like 5 or 6 games. Horf missed 3/4's of the year last year. The Thunder have been missing both of their best players. It happens.

The people that are saying these teams are not a threat or correct. There is a reason why I'm not excited about this team despite the streak. You have to beat some of the big dogs for anything to really matter.

In this streak were beating teams by a 16ppg avg. SOS doesn't matter when you are running everyone out of the gym.

[turret]

25th in attendance. :roll: Jesus christ. Even people living in Atlanta don't give a shit about this sorry ass team.


Cause the burbs aren't taking MARTA; it aint "smarta"

They need to move Phillips arena like the TED to the burbs.

Attendance will go up then.

[Legends66NBA7]

the nba is in a bad place if hawks fans and raptors fans are arguing about who the real number 1 seed is :facepalm

Raptor fans don't have to argue much since they are currently the #1 seed and would remain that way if they had an even record (2-0 vs the Hawks). All thorough team statistics point to the Raptors being better too.

Silver would also want teams that don't have much success to win as much as possible since he wants to see parity.

[Richesly]

Woah, this thread still going on?

I was ****ing high guys, come on lol.

[LiLharvard]

Hawks are on an impressive streak right now.. streak being the keyword.

[Richesly]

:applause:

[atljonesbro]

Raptor fans don't have to argue much since they are currently the #1 seed and would remain that way if they had an even record (2-0 vs the Hawks). All thorough team statistics point to the Raptors being better too.

Silver would also want teams that don't have much success to win as much as possible since he wants to see parity.
Now I'm using this same logic with record, being #1, and team statistics yet I'm an idiot :oldlol:

[ralph_i_el]

please.... stop

http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

Strength of Schedule
Hawks 30th
Raptors 11th
Lol #rekt

[Richesly]

Lol #rekt
Sucks that isn't true and the Wizards have an easier schedule. :roll:

[GOBB]

The funny part is that the Nets tanking assures the Hawks of a lottery pic. Imagine Okafor in this system. We'd be better than the Spurs.

With Kobe done, that means Lakers will lose more games. Sorry Nets pick wont be in position to realistically land you a #1 pick. You can keep dreaming tho. I wont wake you.

[LiLharvard]

I agree,
Raptors have been inconsistent this year, largely, in part, due to Derozan being in and out of the lineup. Compare that to last year where he had a streak of 30pt games and got the all star nod. I think we were all expecting a bit to much from the raps.
Meanwhile, the hawks are the modern day spurs in my books. So much depth.. Shroeder coming off the bench reminds me of 2011 Okc Harden.

[BurningHammer]

Derozan was out and now Raps have to readjust many things again.

I think Raps can come back into that early season form again soon.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I think Raps can come back into that early season form again soon.

This. Give them some time with DeRozan back before passing judgement.

[Done_And_Done]

My Raps are in and around where they were projected to be at the start of the season. As long as they're recent play doesn't sustain, I'll be perfectly content with our progress as a team.