MJ's Stats in Each Playoff Series Against Top 5 Ranked Defenses

[3ball]

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Listed in Chronological Order:


MIL 1985 1st Rd (59-23, #2 ranked defense.. 29.3 pts.. 5.8 rebs.. 8.6 assists.. 56.5% TS.. 43.6% FG)

BOS 1986 1st Rd (67-15, #1 ranked defense.. 43.7.. 6.3.. 5.7.. 58.4% TS.. 50.5% FG)

CLE 1988 1st Rd (42-40, #5 ranked defense... 45.2.. 5.4.. 4.8.. 63.2% TS.. 55.9% FG)

DET 1988 2nd Rd (54-28, #2-ranked defense... 27.8.. 8.8.. 4.6.. 54.9% TS.. 49.1% FG)

CLE 1989 1st Rd (57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 59.8% TS.. 51.8% FG)

DET 1989 ECF (62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 59.8% TS.. 46.0% FG)

DET 1990 ECF (62-20, #2 ranked defense... 32.1.. 7.1.. 6.3.. 56.6% TS.. 46.7% FG)

DET 1991 ECF (52-30, #4 ranked defense.. 29.8.. 5.3.. 7.0.. 64.6% TS.. 53.5% FG)

LAL 1991 Finals (58-24, #5 ranked defense... 31.2.. 6.6.. 11.4.. 61.2% TS.. 55.2% FG)

POR 1992 Finals (57-25, #3 ranked defense.. 35.8.. 4.8.. 6.5.. 61.7% TS.. 52.6% FG)

NYK 1992 ECF (51-31, #2 ranked defense.. 31.3.. 5.7.. 4.3.. 53.3% TS.. 47.7% FG)

NYK 1993 ECF (60-22, #1 ranked defense.. 32.2.. 6.2.. 7.0.. 52.2% TS.. 40.4% FG)


BASEBALL (AA Outfielder): .202 BA.. 436 AB.. 88 H.. 3 HR.. 46 R.. 51 RBI


NYK 1996 ECF (47-35.. #4 ranked defense.. 36.0.. 4.8.. 4.4.. 53.4% TS.. 44.2% FG)

SEA 1996 Finals (64-18.. #2 ranked defense.. 27.3.. 5.3.. 4.2.. 53.8% TS.. 41.5% FG)

ATL 1997 2nd Rd (56-26.. #3 ranked defense.. 26.6.. 10.2.. 5.2.. 50.6% TS.. 45.4% FG)

MIA 1997 ECF (61-21.. #1 ranked defense.. 30.2.. 8.6.. 2.6.. 47.5% TS.. 38.7% FG)

IND 1998 ECF (58-24.. #5 ranked defense.. 31.7.. 5.7.. 4.1.. 55.6% TS.. 46.7% FG)
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[Bless Mathews]

Goat of all goats gonna goat.

[FKAri]

You didn't post his baseball stats? :confusedshrug:

[SugarHill]

For a second there, I thought you put up baseball stats for a joke lol

[T_L_P]

31/7/11

:lebroncry:

Gap between #1 SG and #2 SG is probably the biggest in basketball.

[dubeta]

31/7/11

:lebroncry:

Gap between #1 SG and #2 SG is probably the biggest in basketball.

Jordan and Jerry West are pretty comparable though, Jordan has the rings but West put up monster numbers as well

[SugarHill]

Jordan and Jerry West are pretty comparable though, Jordan has the rings but West put up monster numbers as well
:roll:

[Kvnzhangyay]

31/7/11

:lebroncry:

Gap between #1 SG and #2 SG is probably the biggest in basketball.

Probably, as SG is historically the weakest position

[J Shuttlesworth]

Jordan and Jerry West are pretty comparable though, Jordan has the rings but West put up monster numbers as well
Dude dubeta, you are the ****ing model of consistency man. :applause: :roll: :roll:

[fpliii]

Yao Ming's Foot is gonna be in this thread shortly. http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy242/p1pe09/Emoticons/popcorn.gif

[3ball]

I left off 1985 vs. the Bucks...

[SamuraiSWISH]

Yao Ming's Foot is gonna be in this thread shortly. http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy242/p1pe09/Emoticons/popcorn.gif
Like the obsessed idiot he is ... Jordan > Kid Brobe

[SugarHill]

Probably, as SG is historically the weakest position

Jordan
Kobe
Wade
West
T-Mac

that top 5 peak value

Top 5 for point guards really better than this? :durantunimpressed:

[VengefulAngel]

Jordan
Kobe
Wade
West
T-Mac

that top 5 peak value

Top 5 for point guards really better than this? :durantunimpressed:

Peak Wade might be better than Peak Kobe.

Sorry, i'm a Wade stan.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Jordan
Kobe
Wade
West
T-Mac

that top 5 peak value

Top 5 for point guards really better than this? :durantunimpressed:

Yeah peak it might be above PG, maybe even SF or PF, but longevity matters too...

just like why Duncan is ahead of a lot of other PFs

[VengefulAngel]

Yeah peak it might be above PG, maybe even SF or PF, but longevity matters too...

just like why Duncan is ahead of a lot of other PFs

SF:

Lebron James
Larry Bird
Kevin Durant
Elgin Baylor
Dr J
Charles Barkley

How would you order that? Need to cut someone also.

[SugarHill]

SF:

Lebron James
Larry Bird
Kevin Durant
Elgin Baylor
Dr J
Charles Barkley

How would you order that? Need to cut someone also.

I'd start with Chuck since he was a power forward :biggums:

[T_L_P]

Yeah peak it might be above PG, maybe even SF or PF, but longevity matters too...

just like why Duncan is ahead of a lot of other PFs

I don't think Duncan is the best example. 03 is a top 5 Playoff run ever. No other PF approached that.

Peak PG is the weakest set I'd say. But that's a given.

[pauk]

Yep, he sure liked to hoist shots up. Wouldnt be surprised if especially his Finals FGA average was around or in the 30s.

[plowking]

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MIA 1997 ECF (61-21.. #1 ranked defense.. 30.2.. 8.6.. 2.6.. 47.5% TS.. 38.7% FG)


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MJ with the earliest known dedication to Kobe this season.

[3ball]

MJ with the earliest known dedication to Kobe this season.
just think.. that was MJ's worst playoff series ever (30.2ppg, 8.6 rebs, 47.5% TS).


otoh, lebron imitates kobe much better:


SAS 2007 Finals (22.0.. 7.0.. 6.8.. 42.8% TS.. 35.6% FG)

DAL 2011 Finals (17.8.. 7.2.. 6.8.. 54.1% TS.. 47.8% FG.. and GOAT choke)


Yikes.. :eek:
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[SouBeachTalents]

i know, just think.. that was jordan's worst playoff series ever (30.2ppg, 8.6 rebs, 39% vs Miami's #1 defense).


otoh, lebron imitates kobe much better:


SAS 2007 Finals (22.0.. 7.0.. 6.8.. 42.8% TS.. 35.6% FG)

DAL 2011 Finals (17.8.. 7.2.. 6.8.. 54.1% TS.. 47.8% FG.. and GOAT choke)


Yikes.. :eek:

You think he was worse in that series than in the '96 Finals?

[SamuraiSWISH]

You think he was worse in that series than in the '96 Finals?
MJ put the series away on the road in game 3 with a great performance. Bulls were up 3 - 0. Near impossible to lose the series by that point. He was missing a ton of gimmes. Both were poor shooting series. That Heat team, and Sonics were tremendous defensively.

[deja vu]

Jordan and Jerry West are pretty comparable though, Jordan has the rings but West put up monster numbers as well
:roll: Repped

[Anaximandro1]

NBA Finals performance ... that is pretty telling.



Tier 1 -> GOAT, unmatched combination of usage and offensive efficiency

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b6FIqFXQqDU/VIsOe3KfapI/AAAAAAAADjo/4gZVg7b_Wss/s1600/5.jpg


Tier 2 -> dominant big men

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BeO2eYQi0DU/VIsOe9DngQI/AAAAAAAADjw/sDGoNvYjkNo/s1600/6.jpg



Tier 3 -> manufactured superstars

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5X7dz7aK8DE/VIsOe54_MxI/AAAAAAAADjk/_vNUXQTEE9c/s1600/7.jpg


Other

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ISznwqrtqpE/VIsOf0GYSNI/AAAAAAAADj0/VCFwfr-0VWo/s1600/8.jpg

[dh144498]

NBA Finals performance ... that is pretty telling.



Tier 1 -> GOAT, unmatched combination of usage and offensive efficiency

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b6FIqFXQqDU/VIsOe3KfapI/AAAAAAAADjo/4gZVg7b_Wss/s1600/5.jpg


Tier 2 -> dominant big men

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BeO2eYQi0DU/VIsOe9DngQI/AAAAAAAADjw/sDGoNvYjkNo/s1600/6.jpg



Tier 3 -> manufactured superstars

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5X7dz7aK8DE/VIsOe54_MxI/AAAAAAAADjk/_vNUXQTEE9c/s1600/7.jpg


Other

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ISznwqrtqpE/VIsOf0GYSNI/AAAAAAAADj0/VCFwfr-0VWo/s1600/8.jpg


"manufactured superstars"

:roll:
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[Prometheus]

just think.. that was MJ's worst playoff series ever (30.2ppg, 8.6 rebs, 47.5% TS).


otoh, lebron imitates kobe much better:


SAS 2007 Finals (22.0.. 7.0.. 6.8.. 42.8% TS.. 35.6% FG)

DAL 2011 Finals (17.8.. 7.2.. 6.8.. 54.1% TS.. 47.8% FG.. and GOAT choke)


Yikes.. :eek:
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:oldlol:




:applause:




:oldlol:

[dh144498]

just think.. that was MJ's worst playoff series ever (30.2ppg, 8.6 rebs, 47.5% TS).


otoh, lebron imitates kobe much better:


SAS 2007 Finals (22.0.. 7.0.. 6.8.. 42.8% TS.. 35.6% FG)

DAL 2011 Finals (17.8.. 7.2.. 6.8.. 54.1% TS.. 47.8% FG.. and GOAT choke)


Yikes.. :eek:
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ouch

:roll:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

The "elite" 1988 Cleveland Cavaliers defense was as good at limiting points allowed on a per possession basis as the 2004 Atlanta Hawks (25th out of 29).

:oldlol:

[Dro]

Dat 1998 Pacers defense though.....

[ArbitraryWater]

The "elite" 1988 Cleveland Cavaliers defense was as good at limiting points allowed on a per possession basis as the 2004 Atlanta Hawks (25th out of 29).

:oldlol:

... You always start this and end up getting smacked around.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

... You always start this and end up getting smacked around.

Link?:confusedshrug:

It's a simple statement of fact. It's not even debatable.

[ArbitraryWater]

Link?:confusedshrug:

It's a simple statement of fact. It's not even debatable.

Well I found this..

http://i.gyazo.com/8a3f990f583c03290243cf7ac18407e7.png

lol

anyway, here's moe perfectly describing you in a sentence http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9603058&postcount=77

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Well I found this..

http://i.gyazo.com/8a3f990f583c03290243cf7ac18407e7.png

lol

anyway, here's moe perfectly describing you in a sentence http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9603058&postcount=77

Right another mythologists who thinks if you repeat a lie enough it will become the truth. :oldlol:

If I have been owned countless times why is it so hard for you guys to link me to those posts???

[ArbitraryWater]

Right another mythologists who thinks if you repeat a lie enough it will become the truth. :oldlol:

If I have been owned countless times why is it so hard for you guys to link me to those posts???

I honestly cant find shit even though I remember numerous classics with dondadda, realist, samurai swish, dmavs, even prometheus lately.. do you delet that?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I honestly cant find shit even though I remember numerous classics with dondadda, realist, samurai swish, dmavs, even prometheus lately.. do you delet that?

Yeah man I called up Lebron's guys and had them deleted from internet. Feel free to keep looking. They don't exist. :confusedshrug:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Yao mings foot thought that Mo Williams was on the 07 cavs. This is a guy who clearly has not been watching basketball very long. Likely a 12 year old Kobe worshipper

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Yao mings foot thought that Mo Williams was on the 07 cavs. This is a guy who clearly has not been watching basketball very long. Likely a 12 year old Kobe worshipper

Nearly 4100 posts on this forum and this is the "evidence" I was owned.

:roll:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Not knowing when a pretty high profile player joined a heavily televised team is indicative of the fact that you dont watch much basketball. Mo Williams being the cavs second scorer was a pretty big story. Any semi serious fan would remember.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Not knowing when a pretty high profile player joined a heavily televised team is indicative of the fact that you dont watch much basketball. Mo Williams being the cavs second scorer was a pretty big story. Any semi serious fan would remember.

Mo Williams in 2007 is a high profile player now . :roll:

I'm a Lakers fan. I don't care about the Cavs or Cavs history. :confusedshrug:

[dh144498]

Not knowing when a pretty high profile player joined a heavily televised team is indicative of the fact that you dont watch much basketball. Mo Williams being the cavs second scorer was a pretty big story. Any semi serious fan would remember.

what happened to lebron playing with garbage in 09 and 10?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

In 2009 he was. He made the all star team ffs

[RoundMoundOfReb]

what happened to lebron playing with garbage in 09 and 10?
High profile does not mean good. Mo Williams wasn't a terrible player he just isnt a player who should be the second option on a 60 win team. Those teams were not garbage they were decent but had no business winning 60 games. None. for that we can thank LeBron James.

[Mr. Jabbar]

High profile does not mean good. Mo Williams wasn't a terrible player he just isnt a player who should be the second option on a 60 win team. Those teams were not garbage they were decent but had no business winning 60 games. None. for that we can thank LeBron James.

inflated record due to east. not impressed

[SouBeachTalents]

inflated record due to east. not impressed

They went 26-4 against the West in '09

[Fire Colangelo]

I think 09 is literally the single year where the East was stronger than the West in the past two decades.

[SouBeachTalents]

I think 09 is literally the single year where the East was stronger than the West in the past two decades.

Past two decades? No. The East had a winning record against the West during the Bulls second 3peat

[Paul George 24]

SF:

Lebron James
Larry Bird
Kevin Durant
Elgin Baylor
Dr J
Charles Barkley

How would you order that? Need to cut someone also.
bird >>>>>>>>>>>>> leflop

[STATUTORY]

Jordan
Kobe
Wade
West
T-Mac

that top 5 peak value

Top 5 for point guards really better than this? :durantunimpressed:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Which SG's would you replace Wade with?

[Poetry]

The "elite" 1988 Cleveland Cavaliers defense was as good at limiting points allowed on a per possession basis as the 2004 Atlanta Hawks (25th out of 29).

:oldlol:

When you say stuff like this you make yourself sound like you've never watched basketball. I'm open to hearing people make arguments, but your understanding of the game seems rather limited.

[Kvnzhangyay]

bird >>>>>>>>>>>>> leflop

Obviously weren't old enough to watch Bird if you think that

At worst its a tossup, but I feel that Lebron has the slight edge

[Paul George 24]

Obviously weren't old enough to watch Bird if you think that

At worst its a tossup, but I feel that Lebron has the slight edge
3>>>>>>2 :banana:

bird never choke like leflop ever been

[Kvnzhangyay]

3>>>>>>2 :banana:

bird never choke like leflop ever been

:lol :lol :roll: :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

y'all some sneaky mf's... :coleman:

i needed to use this thread as part of another argument, and the numbers didn't look as good as i needed them to, so i decided to double-check the numbers again...

sure enough, i missed the 1986 Celtics, who had the #1 defense in the league.


and yet no one could point out that i missed Jordan's greatest individual performance against a #1 defense and top 3 all-time team... :biggums:


y'all ****** man.. lebron stans will resort to anything to prop up their man... :facepalm

anyway, i added the 1986 Celtics and their #1 defense to the OP's list, which sealed my argument in another thread.. :pimp:

[navy]

How do people feel about you in real life? Be honest.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Jordan
Kobe
Wade
West
T-Mac

that top 5 peak value

Top 5 for point guards really better than this? :durantunimpressed:

Peak Wade > Peak Kobe

[TheMan]

just think.. that was MJ's worst playoff series ever (30.2ppg, 8.6 rebs, 47.5% TS).


otoh, lebron imitates kobe much better:


SAS 2007 Finals (22.0.. 7.0.. 6.8.. 42.8% TS.. 35.6% FG)

DAL 2011 Finals (17.8.. 7.2.. 6.8.. 54.1% TS.. 47.8% FG.. and GOAT choke)


Yikes.. :eek:
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How'd I miss this gem? :oldlol:

3Ball...the Grim Reaper of Bran Stans :bowdown: :applause: :oldlol:

[Quickening]

Well to adjust for pace add 10 percent to the stats for stars today if comparing to MJ from the 80s

[3ball]

Well to adjust for pace add 10 percent to the stats for stars today if comparing to MJ from the 80s


Nice try bud.. League-wide pace today is 93.8... The Bulls pace was equivalent:


1985: 99.4..... 6% higher
1986: 99.7..... 6%
1987: 95.8..... 2%
1988: 95.5..... 2%
1989: 97.0..... 4%
1990: 96.7..... 4%
1991: 95.6..... 2%
1992: 94.4..... 1%
1993: 92.5... (1%) lower
1995: 92.0... (2%)
1996: 91.1... (3%)
1997: 90.0... (4%)
1998: 89.0... (5%)


6% difference in 1985 and 1986, and then after that, it's the same as today, and actually a SLOWER pace from 1993-1998.

As you can see, Jordan showed he can 3-peat with a faster OR slower pace than today's game.

[Quickening]

Nice try bud.. League-wide pace today is 93.8... The Bulls pace was equivalent:


1985: 99.4..... 6% higher
1986: 99.7..... 6%
1987: 95.8..... 2%
1988: 95.5..... 2%
1989: 97.0..... 4%
1990: 96.7..... 4%
1991: 95.6..... 2%
1992: 94.4..... 1%
1993: 92.5... (1%) lower
1995: 92.0... (2%)
1996: 91.1... (3%)
1997: 90.0... (4%)
1998: 89.0... (5%)


6% difference in 1985 and 1986, and then after that, it's the same as today, and actually a SLOWER pace from 1993-1998.

As you can see, Jordan showed he can 3-peat with a faster OR slower pace than today's game.

I was purely talking about stats, not about MJ winning all his championships after his peak in a weak 90s era.

[Roundball_Rock]

What is the OP supposed to prove? Here are his FG %'s in the listed series:

44%, 51%, 56%, 49%, 52%, 46%, 47%, 54%, 55%, 53%, 48%, 40%, 44%, 42%, 45%, 39%, 47%. Good, especially given the opposition, but not numbers that show him as immune to the limits of being human against elite defenses.


League-wide pace today is 93.8... The Bulls pace was equivalent:

And league-wide scoring? You know what those numbers will show. :oldlol:

1985: 111.
1986: 110.
1987: 110.
1988: 108.
1989: 109.
1990: 107.
1991: 106.
1992: 105.
1993: 105.

1995: 101.
1996: 100.
1997: 97.
1998: 96.

Scoring has ranged from 96-101 in the past decade--after slipping to as low as 93 in the 2004 season. So any of the figures listed for 1985-1993 have to be adjusted to reflect the substantially higher scoring during those years.