If someone put up 38.5/8.3/8 48% FG, 59.1% TS..

[dubeta]

In a series against the #1 defense in the world, playing against the best interior defender in basketball, would you call them the GOAT?


And this is in the modern era not in the inflated stats fast paced era (60's-80's)

[imdaman99]

Depends, does it enhance his 2/5?

[Keno]

easily. those are legendary/nba 2k myplayer numbers. not even sure how a player can put those numbers up in those circumstances.

[fpliii]

Hey dubeta - What numbers should I play for Mega Millions tomorrow?

Need 5 numbers from 1-75, and one number from 1-15.

[Kvnzhangyay]

That is the GOAT series performance imo, but in order to be the GOAT you have to have consistent high levels of performance

[dubeta]

easily. those are legendary/nba 2k myplayer numbers. not even sure how a player can put those numbers up in those circumstances.

And the funny thing is I just made up those numbers, didnt even verify if it ever happened, wasnt bothered as I assumed that noone in NBA history ever got close


BUT if somehow we uncover evidence for someone getting that, or if someone gets those numbers in the future, they are the automatic GOAT imo.

[J Shuttlesworth]

And the funny thing is I just made up those numbers, didnt even verify if it ever happened, wasnt bothered as I assumed that noone in NBA history ever got close


BUT if somehow we uncover evidence for someone getting that, or if someone gets those numbers in the future, they are the automatic GOAT imo.
Damn, dude. I've got some news for you :eek:

[dubeta]

Hey dubeta - What numbers should I play for Mega Millions tomorrow?

Need 5 numbers from 1-75, and one number from 1-15.


Any number(s) from 1-14 should serve you well :cheers:

[dubeta]

Damn, dude. I've got some news for you :eek:

http://i.imgur.com/wCOiVV3.jpg

[fpliii]

Any number(s) from 1-14 should serve you well :cheers:
Don't do me like that. :no: Not a Kobe stan anyway...

[Im Still Ballin]

OP have you heard about this guy called Lebron?

Check him out.

[plowking]

Damn, dude. I've got some news for you :eek:

:oldlol:

I lost my shit. :oldlol:

[dubeta]

Don't do me like that. :no: Not a Kobe stan anyway...

too good an opportunity man :(


Sorry

[Im Still Ballin]

Jordan had several series where his numbers were better:


CLE 1988 1st Rd (42-40, #5 ranked defense... 45.2 pts.. 5.4 rebs.. 4.8 assists.. 63.2% TS.. 55.9% FG)

CLE 1989 1st Rd (57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1..3.0.. 59.8% TS.. 51.8% FG)

LAL 1991 Finals (58-24, #5 ranked defense... 31.2.. 6.6.. 11.4.. 61.2% TS.. 55.2% FG)

POR 1992 Finals (57-25, #3 ranked defense.. 35.8.. 4.8.. 6.5.. 61.7% TS.. 52.6% FG)
Weak defensive era. Inflated stats.

[ImKobe]

Wow, those numbers are impressive. He must have won his team the series, right?

Oh wait, that was Kobe in the Finals :lebronamazed:

[3ball]

That is the GOAT series performance imo, but in order to be the GOAT you have to have consistent high levels of performance

Jordan had several series where his numbers were better:


CLE 1988 1st Rd (42-40, #5 ranked defense... 45.2 pts.. 5.4 rebs.. 4.8 assists.. 63.2% TS.. 55.9% FG)

CLE 1989 1st Rd (57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1..3.0.. 59.8% TS.. 51.8% FG)

LAL 1991 Finals (58-24, #5 ranked defense... 31.2.. 6.6.. 11.4.. 61.2% TS.. 55.2% FG)

POR 1992 Finals (57-25, #3 ranked defense.. 35.8.. 4.8.. 6.5.. 61.7% TS.. 52.6% FG).

[dubeta]

Jordan had several series where his numbers were better:


CLE 1988 1st Rd (42-40, #16 ranked defense... 45.2 pts.. 5.4 rebs.. 4.8 assists.. 63.2% TS.. 55.9% FG)

CLE 1989 1st Rd (57-25, #19 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1..3.0.. 59.8% TS.. 51.8% FG)

LAL 1991 Finals (58-24, #32 ranked defense... 31.2.. 6.6.. 11.4.. 61.2% TS.. 55.2% FG)

POR 1992 Finals (57-25, #25 ranked defense.. 35.8.. 4.8.. 6.5.. 61.7% TS.. 52.6% FG)


Using my advanced scientific calculations converting those defenses to the modern era, I reranked them to serve as a better indicator of true defensive impact in today's league:cheers:

[3ball]

Weak defensive era. Inflated stats.
they shot all two-pointers and mid-range, so they were taking tougher shots.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/a0d91726a38975e6c3083fb083317d39.gif

[Im Still Ballin]

they shot all two-pointers and mid-range, so they were taking tougher shots.
iso basketball era.

[9erempiree]

Wow, those numbers are impressive. He must have won his team the series, right?

Oh wait, that was Kobe in the Finals :lebronamazed:

Sad thing is that people like to praise him for a losing effort.

[3ball]

iso basketball era.
they took tougher shots in previous eras... had to score ON their man as opposed to using the spacing to get an open shot.


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/df36ffb9c60eef07f527c9dd40c12598.gif

[dubeta]

Sad thing is that people like to praise him for a sidekick effort.



Fixed for Bean

[ImKobe]

Kobe 2009 WCF:

34/6/6 on 63%TS

Kobe 2010 WCF:

34/7/8 on 64%TS

And he won both of his series, too.

[plowking]

Kobe 2009 WCF:

34/6/6 on 63%TS

Kobe 2010 WCF:

34/7/8 on 64%TS

And he won both of his series, too.

Bro, no love for my dunk?

[Eric Cartman]

Lebron against Orland in 09 if anyone is still wondering (they lost)

[J Shuttlesworth]

Kobe 2009 WCF:

34/6/6 on 63%TS

Kobe 2010 WCF:

34/7/8 on 64%TS

And he won both of his series, too.
Yeah because those supporting casts are comparable to what LeBron had in Cleveland? :biggums:

[ImKobe]

Bro, no love for my dunk?

oh shit dude I saw it the other day and :applause: you got some hops there, didn't think you'd come through on that one. :bowdown:

[dubeta]

Yeah because those supporting casts are comparable to what LeBron had in Cleveland? :biggums:


Kobe WAS the supporting cast bro

[plowking]

oh shit dude I saw it the other day and :applause: you got some hops there, didn't think you'd come through on that one. :bowdown:

Anything for my ISH family.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron against Orland in 09 if anyone is still wondering (they lost)

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/210/119/9b3.png

[Eric Cartman]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/210/119/9b3.png

Get in line bitch or I'll face**** you and your dog.

[ImKobe]

Yeah because those supporting casts are comparable to what LeBron had in Cleveland? :biggums:

Both series were close and Kobe's elite play was the difference in both of them, hitting clutch long range shots on the road :bowdown:

Kobe doesn't come through in games 1 & 3 in 09 & we're looking at a potential upset

Same thing with Game 6 in 2010, single-handedly carried us in the clutch :bowdown:

[SouBeachTalents]

Both series were close and Kobe's elite play was the difference in both of them, hitting clutch long range shots on the road :bowdown:

Kobe doesn't come through in games 1 & 3 in 09 & we're looking at a potential upset

Same thing with Game 6 in 2010, single-handedly carried us in the clutch :bowdown:

I didn't know a 25 point game in the 4th required "clutch" play

[dubeta]

Both series were close and Kobe's elite play was the difference in both of them, hitting clutch long range shots on the road :bowdown:

Kobe doesn't come through in games 1 & 3 in 09 & we're looking at a potential upset

Same thing with Game 6 in 2010, single-handedly carried us in the clutch :bowdown:

Kobe was literally shooting 30% in the 4th quarters in 2009

[ImKobe]

I didn't know a 25 point game in the 4th required "clutch" play

What?

Lakers won that game by only 8, and he had 11 in the quarter

Suns come within 3 with 2 minutes to play on their home court

Kobe scores 9 of their last 14 points

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsEg7NG3WIo#t=104

take takeover :bowdown:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Both series were close and Kobe's elite play was the difference in both of them, hitting clutch long range shots on the road :bowdown:

Kobe doesn't come through in games 1 & 3 in 09 & we're looking at a potential upset

Same thing with Game 6 in 2010, single-handedly carried us in the clutch :bowdown:
Totally different circumstances. Kobe's team was a championship contender. LeBron's was not. Gasol, Ariza, Odom, Bynum, Fisher > Mo Wiliams, Big Z, Andy.

Trying to discredit LeBron's stats because his team didn't win is asinine. There are no empty stats in the conference finals.

Plus, the team Kobe played was the Denver Nuggets, #16 defense in the league, not top 5 like me and 3ball were talking about. LeBron put up 38/8/8 against the Orlando Magic, #1 defense in the league that year.

And the 2010 WCF was the Suns, the 23rd best defense in the league.

Not even comparable at all.

Plus you rounded all the numbers.

I'm onto you mother****err :coleman:

[SouBeachTalents]

What?

Lakers won that game by only 8, and he had 11 in the quarter

Suns come within 3 with 2 minutes to play on their home court

Kobe scores 9 of their last 14 points

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsEg7NG3WIo#t=104

take takeover :bowdown:

My b, you were talking about the '09 Finals at first, then thought when you brought up 2010 you were doing the same

[ImKobe]

Totally different circumstances. Kobe's team was a championship contender. LeBron's was not. Gasol, Ariza, Odom, Bynum, Fisher > Mo Wiliams, Big Z, Andy.

Trying to discredit LeBron's stats because his team didn't win is asinine. There are no empty stats in the conference finals.

Plus, the team Kobe played was the Denver Nuggets, #16 defense in the league, not top 5 like me and 3ball were talking about.

And the 2010 WCF was the Suns, the 23rd best defense in the league.

Not even comparable at all.

Plus you rounded all the numbers.

I'm onto you mother****err :coleman:

I made a separate thread about Kobe vs the top defenses.

This series was great regardless, he had big numbers and he closed the series out on the road.

Yeah, Lebron played the Magic, but they were content with him getting his as long as the games were in their favor :confusedshrug:.

Kobe in the WCF elimination games in the 3 WCFs

Game 5 2008: 39/3/3 on 53% shooting, 61%TS

Game 6 2009: 35/6/10 on 60% shooting, 73%TS

Game 6 2010: 37/6/2 on 48% shooting, 62%TS

That's 37/5/5 a game on some high ass efficiency

Now let's compare to Bran's 3 elimination games from the same years

08 vs Boston (his best)

Game 7: 45/5/6 on 48% shooting, 60%TS, Pierce lit him up for 41 points on 57% shooting, 73%TS, Bran missed a 5-ft shot and a 3 in the last 25 seconds, they lost by 5.

09 vs Orlando

Game 6: 25/7/7 on 40% shooting, 50%TS. His overall numbers for the series were impressive, but didn't really show up for a Game 6 that could have pushed it to a Game 7 at home

10 vs Boston:

Game 6: 27/19/10 on 38% shooting, 51%TS

That's 33/10/8 a game on medicore shooting in 3 losses.

Kobe the better closer.

[dubeta]

Kobe the better closer.


What about Kobe's Game 7 of the finals?

And if you compare career elimination games LeBron performs significantly better

[J Shuttlesworth]

I made a separate thread about Kobe vs the top defenses.

This series was great regardless, he had big numbers and he closed the series out on the road.

Yeah, Lebron played the Magic, but they were content with him getting his as long as the games were in their favor :confusedshrug:.

Kobe in the WCF elimination games in the 3 WCFs

Game 5 2008: 39/3/3 on 53% shooting, 61%TS

Game 6 2009: 35/6/10 on 60% shooting, 73%TS

Game 6 2010: 37/6/2 on 48% shooting, 62%TS

Now let's compare to Bran's 3 elimination games from the same years

08 vs Boston (his best)

Game 7: 45/5/6 on 48% shooting, 60%TS, Pierce lit him up for 41 points on 57% shooting, 73%TS, Bran missed a 5-ft shot and a 3 in the last 25 seconds, they lost by 5.

09 vs Orlando

Game 6: 25/7/7 on 40% shooting, 50%TS. His overall numbers for the series were impressive, but didn't really show up for a Game 6 that could have pushed it to a Game 7 at home

10 vs Boston:

Game 6: 27/19/10 on 38% shooting, 51%TS


Kobe the better closer.
2008 game 5, lakers were up 3-1. Not elimination game
2009 game 6, lakers up 3-1. Not elimination game
2010 game 6 also not elimination game

Also, don't forget these 2 ACTUAL elimination games from LeBron:
2013 NBA finals Game 6 - 32/10/11
2014 NBA finals Game 7 - 37/12/4

Also, Boston 2012 - Game 6 - 45/16 or something like that

[J Shuttlesworth]

Some elimination game stats for you, ImKobe:

http://i.imgur.com/1urxe6j.png

[ImKobe]

Some elimination game stats for you, ImKobe:

http://i.imgur.com/1urxe6j.png

Those are skewed because Kobe also played in some elimination games as a kid in the 90s :confusedshrug: and played in the 1st round on some horrible ass teams and didn't have a chance in blowout losses up to 09....

When the games were competitive in Game 7s and what not, Kobe showed up

2000 WCF Game 7 - 25/12/7 with 4 blocks, leads team in 4 categories in a 4th quarter comeback win

2002 WCF - 31/10/6 on 44/67/91 shooting in Games 6 & 7


then from 03-08, Lakers get eliminated in blowout losses, I don't think those are notable.

2009 WCSF Game 7 - Kobe puts up 14/7/5 while only playing 33 mins in a blowout win

2010 we all know the 6/24 game...

When the Lakers were in a close series and had a chance to win, Kobe came through. He wasn't in these situations much in his career, but he could have folded in 00 and 02 and they don't three-peat or even win 2 titles with Shaq..

[dubeta]

Those are skewed because Kobe also played in some elimination games as a kid in the 90s :confusedshrug: and played on some horrible ass teams and didn't have a chance .

Hmm so Kobe gets this excuse, but apparently theres no excuse for 2/5

[RoundMoundOfReb]

LeBron James 08/09 and 09/10 is the greatest player in NBA history.

[plowking]

LeBron James 08/09 and 09/10 is the greatest player in NBA history.

He was better as a player his 2nd and 3rd year in Miami.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Winning 60 games in back to back years with Anderson Varejao as the second best player on your team = GOAT.

[3ball]

LeBron James 08/09 and 09/10 is the greatest player in NBA history.
he underachieved both years - he had a deep team that was favored to make the Finals both years and he missed it.

numerous players have had seasons with better stats, performance, dominance, and results.

[AintNoSunshine]

In a series against the #1 defense in the world, playing against the best interior defender in basketball, would you call them the GOAT?


And this is in the modern era not in the inflated stats fast paced era (60's-80's)
:eek: :eek: :eek: He's got to be right?

Who is it anyway?

[dh144498]

LeBron James 08/09 and 09/10 is the greatest player in NBA history.

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[J Shuttlesworth]

Those are skewed because Kobe also played in some elimination games as a kid in the 90s :confusedshrug: and played in the 1st round on some horrible ass teams and didn't have a chance in blowout losses up to 09....

When the games were competitive in Game 7s and what not, Kobe showed up

2000 WCF Game 7 - 25/12/7 with 4 blocks, leads team in 4 categories in a 4th quarter comeback win

2002 WCF - 31/10/6 on 44/67/91 shooting in Games 6 & 7


then from 03-08, Lakers get eliminated in blowout losses, I don't think those are notable.

2009 WCSF Game 7 - Kobe puts up 14/7/5 while only playing 33 mins in a blowout win

2010 we all know the 6/24 game...

When the Lakers were in a close series and had a chance to win, Kobe came through. He wasn't in these situations much in his career, but he could have folded in 00 and 02 and they don't three-peat or even win 2 titles with Shaq..
What's your point? I just showed you several elimination games and LeBrons stats were all around better, even if you take away Kobe's earlier years. You keep trying to knock LeBron as a closer yet but numbers show he performs at MJs level with his back against the wall

[Droid101]

Winning 60 games in back to back years with Anderson Varejao as the second best player on your team = GOAT.
I don't know why these people keep throwing these statements out.

Go look at how well his supporting cast played. They had lockdown defense and extreme three point shooting. He wasn't doing it alone.

[Myth]

In a series against the #1 defense in the world, playing against the best interior defender in basketball, would you call them the GOAT?


And this is in the modern era not in the inflated stats fast paced era (60's-80's)

Does said player win said series?

[Myth]

Winning 60 games in back to back years with Anderson Varejao as the second best player on your team = GOAT.

Varajao wasn't the 2nd best player. And there were multiple players at Varajao's tier. LeBron had solid support on those teams. It wasn't great, but they weren't scrubs that fit poorly into the team's scheme either.

[J Shuttlesworth]

You guys realize how ridiculous it is to say that 38/8/8 isn't enough since his team didn't win the series? Lebron was clutch as **** the whole series. Did you even watch the finishes?

[dh144498]

as lebron stans always say about other players: empty stats.
Taste of your own medicine.

[J Shuttlesworth]

as lebron stans always say about other players: empty stats.
Taste of your own medicine.
lol it's not LeBron stans who say that. It's Kevin Love haters as well as Harden haters