View Full Version : Does Harden have the worst supporting cast in the league?
For the last three weeks, Harden has been playing with Ariza, and...
Beverley - Eurocup signing 2012
Papanikilou - 2nd round pick 2014
Canaan - 2nd round pick 2013
Dorsey - Euroleague signing 2014
D Mo - Euroleague signing 2012
Johnson - 2nd round pick 2014
Terry - 37 years old, 16 mpg last season
Black - Undrafted FA 2014
Daniels - Undrafted FA 2013
Find me a worse supporting cast.
andremiller07
12-13-2014, 05:27 AM
No doubt about it and he's playing the West I hate the guy but yeap dude has done some serious carrying.
Realistically Dorsey/Black should not even be in the NBA, they are undersized and terrible.
Ive honestly seen the team play well without Harden doing everything and they are serviceable. Unless you are crediting that to McHale.
SyRyanYang
12-13-2014, 05:33 AM
By your judging criteria, Duncan probably had worse supporting cast and won 5 chips
Ive honestly seen the team play well without Harden doing everything doing much and they are serviceable. Unless you are crediting that to McHale.
:lol
Seriously, I don't think he's as bad as Rockets fans make him out to be. He's done an outstanding job with the NBA's version of the 'Little Giants'.
But no, I just think Harden does a great job of getting others involved in the flow of the game.
Wavves
12-13-2014, 05:35 AM
Why don't you support your team and all the players that have played above and beyond expectation so far?
We all know Harden is playing tremendously. Are you a Rockets fan or a Harden fan?
Im Still Ballin
12-13-2014, 05:37 AM
Demarcus
Why don't you support your team and all the players that have played above and beyond expectation so far?
We all know Harden is playing tremendously. Are you a Rockets fan or a Harden fan?
Want me to show you my Patrick Beverley jersey? It's the only Rockets jersey I own.
bdreason
12-13-2014, 05:41 AM
You just called Beverely the best perimeter defender in the NBA in the Roberson thread.
You're right though. I look at the Rockets roster, and their ceiling is 2nd round, at best. I wouldn't pick them to beat any of the other top teams out West in a 7 game series.
noob cake
12-13-2014, 05:42 AM
Splash Brothers
Bounce Brothers
Morris Brothers
...Brick Brothers - Black and Dorsey. The number of layups they have missed this year
You just called Beverely the best perimeter defender in the NBA in the Roberson thread.
You're right though. I look at the Rockets roster, and their ceiling is 2nd round, at best. I wouldn't pick them to beat any of the other top teams out West in a 7 game series.
I was stating Beverley is the best defender on the perimeter, not the best perimeter defender (he's obviously not guarding small forwards).
I think the Rockets can beat the Spurs in a seven game series (I believe they've won six in a row dating back to last season, FWIW), but I wouldn't bet the Rockets to beat LAC or OKC this season.
pastis
12-13-2014, 05:48 AM
euroleague is just underrated here in the nba, cause in europe yourent on the 1on1 iso trip.
Kvnzhangyay
12-13-2014, 06:13 AM
I was stating Beverley is the best defender on the perimeter, not the best perimeter defender (he's obviously not guarding small forwards).
I think the Rockets can beat the Spurs in a seven game series (I believe they've won six in a row dating back to last season, FWIW), but I wouldn't bet the Rockets to beat LAC or OKC this season.
He's not that good of a defender, its his energy and hustle...
MellowYellow
12-13-2014, 06:26 AM
Beverly 13 3 5 on 43/47 Terrific D > Calderon 9 4 3 on 44/47 Terrible D
Harden > Smith/Tim/Shumpert combined
Ariza< Melo
Black < Amare
D-Mo > Dally
SugarHill
12-13-2014, 06:26 AM
He's not that good of a defender, its his energy and hustle...
Which makes him a good defender. He's one of the best defensive point guards in the league. Period
Beverly 13 3 5 on 43/47 Terrific D > Calderon 9 4 3 on 44/47 Terrible D
Harden > Smith/Tim/Shumpert combined
Ariza< Melo
Black < Amare
D-Mo > Dally
Lol, you cant throw Harden into the 'worst supporting cast in the league' argument because the cast is supporting him.
I wouldn't try to argue the Rockets have the worst roster, but outside of Harden and, to a certain extent Ariza, nobody is playing with such an impressive collection of rag tag nobodies.
Spurs5Rings2014
12-13-2014, 07:46 AM
By your judging criteria, Duncan probably had worse supporting cast and won 5 chips
GOAT gonna GOAT.
:bowdown:
YouGotServed
12-13-2014, 08:07 AM
Gotta love the douce bags who kept saying Harden only wins because he has above average players around him like Lin, Parsons and Asik. :oldlol: There is no legit argument that can be made against Harden now.
Not only did Houston lose free agents in the summer but they've also been hit with tons of injuries this season..and yet, Harden still finds a way to win. He's taken his game to a whole 'nother level.
We are missing Dwight Howard, Terrence Jones, Papa, Canaan and Garcia. Beverley has played like 3 games since he came back. For a stretch Houston's line up consisted of:
Tarik Black, D-Mo, Ariza and Terry. Take Harden off the roster and that starting line up doesn't win 10 games in the Western Conference. Seriously, what Harden is doing is something historic. No other player has carried a team the way Harden is carrying the Rockets this year.
Harden for MVP.
StephHamann
12-13-2014, 08:10 AM
No other player has carried a team the way Harden is carrying the Rockets this year.
Durant last year
yes Harden mvp:applause: :applause:
salwan
12-13-2014, 08:28 AM
One of the top candidates for MVP
YouGotServed
12-13-2014, 09:24 AM
Durant last year
No :oldlol:
StephHamann
12-13-2014, 09:38 AM
No :oldlol:
Yes :oldlol:
YouGotServed
12-13-2014, 09:52 AM
Yes :oldlol:
Cool argument, will read again.
SpanishACB
12-13-2014, 11:09 AM
Pau Gasol's best teammate was a 13th overall pick....
SwishAndSplash
12-13-2014, 11:15 AM
been watching alot of rockets games and honestly Harden has been carrying the team A LOT. definitely Beverly has been of help but that's pretty much all Harden has right now. just watch the games, without Harden, Rockets wouldn't even win HALF of what they have won now.
Sakkreth
12-13-2014, 11:48 AM
By your judging criteria, Duncan probably had worse supporting cast and won 5 chips
This.
So its possible then that Daryl Morey is the smartest GM in the league?
Several of these guys were not only passed on in the draft by all the teams once, but some teams twice, and several more were actually drafted and cut by the teams that drafted them. Two of them weren't drafted at all.
Morey just has that amazingly unique eye for talent then I suppose.
StephHamann
12-13-2014, 12:54 PM
So its possible then that Daryl Morey is the smartest GM in the league?
Several of these guys were not only passed on in the draft by all the teams once, but some teams twice, and several more were actually drafted and cut by the teams that drafted them. Two of them weren't drafted at all.
Morey just has that amazingly unique eye for talent then I suppose.
Dragic, Lowry doe.
ballup
12-13-2014, 12:56 PM
I'm pretty sure MCW does
dunksby
12-13-2014, 12:56 PM
Dragic, Lowry doe.
Presti is a great GM and still many, not me, blame him for not paying Harden nobody is perfect.
VIP2000
12-13-2014, 01:31 PM
A lot of people underrate Harden around here but I personally think he's been an MVP candidate for 3 seasons now.
Two years ago when he first came to Houston, it was impressive that he didn't even have training camp with the team and took a bunch of inexperienced players to the playoffs in the West.
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