Just realized Micheal only really played 13.5 seasons..

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Looking up his stats:
http://www.nba.com/history/players/jordan_stats.html

18 games in 85-86
17 games in 94-95
So 13 full seasons + 35 games. Less than 13.5

So really it took Kobe about 17.5 full seasons or another 4 years to pass Mike in points. Just imagine had Mike played NBA instead of 3 years of college, or not skipped 93-95 and 98-01.
Michael scored 1788 pts at UNC.

Michael Jordan, clearly the GOAT and it's not even close. But congrats to Kobe for his lifetime volume scoring award.

[NZStreetBaller]

Looking up his stats:
http://www.nba.com/history/players/jordan_stats.html

18 games in 85-86
17 games in 94-95
So 13 full seasons + 35 games. Less than 13.5

So really it took Kobe about 17.5 full seasons or another 4 years to pass Mike in points. Just imagine had Mike played NBA instead of 3 years of college, or not skipped 93-95 and 98-01.
Michael scored 1788 pts at UNC.

Michael Jordan, clearly the GOAT and it's not even close. But congrats to Kobe for his lifetime volume scoring award.

MJ is better then everybody........ the fact that kobe gets compared to him speaks volume

[KungFuJoe]

Michael Jordan, clearly the GOAT and it's not even close. But congrats to Kobe for his lifetime volume scoring award.

This has never been up for debate. It's clear that MJ is the GOAT.

But Kobe should be congratulated for his accolades as well.

http://www.insidershealth.com/app/webroot/js/tiny_mce/plugins/imagemanager/files/moreimages/special_olympics_apr_2012_winners.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

http://th07.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/331/d/8/goat_poster_by_maxmanax-d6vwjtf.png

[MastaKilla]

340 more shots. that's it

just realized op never won shit without Kobe

[LAZERUSS]

You could probably make similar claims for almost everyone who has played in the NBA for any considerable amount of time.

[OldSchoolBBall]

340 more shots. that's it

And like 900 more FT's. So about 750-800 more possessions used.

OP, not only did Jordan only play 18 games in 1986, but he only played 25 mpg that year because they limited his minutes after coming back from the broken foot.

[red1]

340 more shots. that's it

just realized op never won shit without Kobe
http://jocksandstilettojill.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/topper-wade-shaq.jpeg

[Fawker]

karl malone scored mad points

[Magic 32]

Looking up his stats:
http://www.nba.com/history/players/jordan_stats.html

18 games in 85-86
17 games in 94-95
So 13 full seasons + 35 games. Less than 13.5

So really it took Kobe about 17.5 full seasons or another 4 years to pass Mike in points. Just imagine had Mike played NBA instead of 3 years of college, or not skipped 93-95 and 98-01.
Michael scored 1788 pts at UNC.

Michael Jordan, clearly the GOAT and it's not even close. But congrats to Kobe for his lifetime volume scoring award.


1999 lockout?
2011 lockout?
2013-14 (6 games)
1996-99 Bench player

And by the way, f*ck your bitter ass.

[Poetry]

karl malone scored mad points

He was an iron man.

19 NBA seasons. 3 college seasons.

17 seasons of 80+ games.

[konex]

Yes, because Kobe not starting for 3 years, missing huge chunks of 2 seasons due to lockouts and almost all of last year due to injury means nothing...

[MastaKilla]

Yes, because Kobe not starting for 3 years, missing huge chunks of 2 seasons due to lockouts and almost all of last year due to injury means nothing...

:roll: :roll:

[dubeta]

Doesnt even matter

Shooting 45% for your career automatically invalidates your scoring


All time missed shots but no where close to passing Kareem yet :facepalm

[MastaKilla]

Doesnt even matter

Shooting 45% for your career automatically invalidates your scoring


All time missed shots but no where close to passing Kareem yet :facepalm

Kobe shoots 20 FGA per game for his career.

the difference between 45% and 50% when taking 20 shots per game is one shot.

[navy]

Kobe shoots 20 FGA per game for his career.

the difference between 45% and 50% when taking 20 shots per game is one shot.
1 shot over the course of hundreds of games is alot.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Jordan mythologists still want extra credit for quitting on his championship level teammates twice.

No shame. :facepalm

[sportjames23]

Looking up his stats:
http://www.nba.com/history/players/jordan_stats.html

18 games in 85-86
17 games in 94-95
So 13 full seasons + 35 games. Less than 13.5

So really it took Kobe about 17.5 full seasons or another 4 years to pass Mike in points. Just imagine had Mike played NBA instead of 3 years of college, or not skipped 93-95 and 98-01.
Michael scored 1788 pts at UNC.

Michael Jordan, clearly the GOAT and it's not even close. But congrats to Kobe for his lifetime volume scoring award.


BOOM!

But Kobestans always overlook this.

[3ball]

Jordan mythologists still want extra credit for quitting on his championship level teammates twice.

No shame. :facepalm

:yaohappy:


6 championships in 11 full seasons as a Bull... we Jordan "mythologists" will happily take it


:pimp:

[Shaquille O'Neal]

:yaohappy:


6 championships in 11 full seasons as a Bull... we Jordan "mythologists" will happily take it


:pimp:

Mike was a career 50% shooter and damn near 50% in finals wins (6/13). Not 5 for 19 (you know LA ain't winning $hit this year).
I never recall Mike losing by 40 points in the finals or the conference finals, or going 6/24 in a finals game.
The kids try to compare Kobe to Mike, but that's only because Kobe's still playing and Mike's been gone for 11+ years. Just wait until KoMe retires; just about each year afterwards he'll drop in the all-time list. I say by 2020 Kobe will be around 15-16 all time. Lebron/Durant and a few others will drop him off the list, and people will realize what a pure gunner he was. The all-team voting was mostly a popularity contest anyway. So, played with prime Shaq 8 years and a dominant Pau Gasol for 6. Only 5 chips, with 2 FMVP's that widely have an * besides them.

I watched Mike play live in his prime. Rooted against him too - he was just "too good". Kobe is about 60% of the player Michael was, which is still very impressive. I always judge people based on their peers - like Babe Ruth is easily the best baseball player of his time - so far ahead of his peers. I'm not sure Kobe should be ranked higher than a dude that came in the league the year after him - Tim Duncan. Hell I saw McGrady have a couple better seasons as well as AI. Oh well, enjoy this very brief time in sun Kobetards - he ain't winning another ring, not going to get 8 more scoring titles or 4 more MVPs or FMVPs, or DPOY, or a ring at the collegiate level, or (need I go on?) :cheers:

[chazzy]

Mike was a career 50% shooter and damn near 50% in finals wins (6/13). Not 5 for 19 (you know LA ain't winning $hit this year).
I never recall Mike losing by 40 points in the finals or the conference finals, or going 6/24 in a finals game.
The kids try to compare Kobe to Mike, but that's only because Kobe's still playing and Mike's been gone for 11+ years. Just wait until KoMe retires; just about each year afterwards he'll drop in the all-time list. I say by 2020 Kobe will be around 15-16 all time. Lebron/Durant and a few others will drop him off the list, and people will realize what a pure gunner he was. The all-team voting was mostly a popularity contest anyway. So, played with prime Shaq 8 years and a dominant Pau Gasol for 6. Only 5 chips, with 2 FMVP's that widely have an * besides them.

I watched Mike play live in his prime. Rooted against him too - he was just "too good". Kobe is about 60% of the player Michael was, which is still very impressive. I always judge people based on their peers - like Babe Ruth is easily the best baseball player of his time - so far ahead of his peers. I'm not sure Kobe should be ranked higher than a dude that came in the league the year after him - Tim Duncan. Hell I saw McGrady have a couple better seasons as well as AI. Oh well, enjoy this very brief time in sun Kobetards - he ain't winning another ring, not going to get 8 more scoring titles or 4 more MVPs or FMVPs, or DPOY, or a ring at the collegiate level, or (need I go on?) :cheers:
The hate is strong. Literally every post is about Kobe

[Bandito]

Looking up his stats:
http://www.nba.com/history/players/jordan_stats.html

18 games in 85-86
17 games in 94-95
So 13 full seasons + 35 games. Less than 13.5

So really it took Kobe about 17.5 full seasons or another 4 years to pass Mike in points. Just imagine had Mike played NBA instead of 3 years of college, or not skipped 93-95 and 98-01.
Michael scored 1788 pts at UNC.

Michael Jordan, clearly the GOAT and it's not even close. But congrats to Kobe for his lifetime volume scoring award.
Actually 16.5. He didnt play last year.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Mike was a career 50% shooter and damn near 50% in finals wins (6/13). Not 5 for 19 (you know LA ain't winning $hit this year).
I never recall Mike losing by 40 points in the finals or the conference finals, or going 6/24 in a finals game.
The kids try to compare Kobe to Mike, but that's only because Kobe's still playing and Mike's been gone for 11+ years. Just wait until KoMe retires; just about each year afterwards he'll drop in the all-time list. I say by 2020 Kobe will be around 15-16 all time. Lebron/Durant and a few others will drop him off the list, and people will realize what a pure gunner he was. The all-team voting was mostly a popularity contest anyway. So, played with prime Shaq 8 years and a dominant Pau Gasol for 6. Only 5 chips, with 2 FMVP's that widely have an * besides them.

I watched Mike play live in his prime. Rooted against him too - he was just "too good". Kobe is about 60% of the player Michael was, which is still very impressive. I always judge people based on their peers - like Babe Ruth is easily the best baseball player of his time - so far ahead of his peers. I'm not sure Kobe should be ranked higher than a dude that came in the league the year after him - Tim Duncan. Hell I saw McGrady have a couple better seasons as well as AI. Oh well, enjoy this very brief time in sun Kobetards - he ain't winning another ring, not going to get 8 more scoring titles or 4 more MVPs or FMVPs, or DPOY, or a ring at the collegiate level, or (need I go on?) :cheers:
This post gave me douche chills. Could you be any more insecure?

[fpliii]

Michael Jordan, clearly the GOAT and it's not even close.
So ****ing ignorant and disrespectful to the other legitimate GOAT candidates (no, Kobe is not one of them). Even if you think MJ is the best ever (and I might be inclined to degree), it's not an open-and-shut case. Deal with it.

[The_Yearning]

Yes, because Kobe not starting for 3 years, missing huge chunks of 2 seasons due to lockouts and almost all of last year due to injury means nothing...

That ether... that shit that makes your soul burn.

[Blue&Orange]

Jordan mythologists still want extra credit for quitting on his championship level teammates twice.

No shame. :facepalm
This retard :roll:

Watching LEbron and Kobe, collude, jump teams, demand trades, drive his superstar teammate out of town, whine, bitch, being carried by the NBE like no other players in NBE history, graveling in the dirt for that GOAT status...

Michael Jordan did it without giving a single fack

:lol

That really puts things in perspective.


All Kobetards have is longevity, all Lebrontards have is efficiency... something that is share with multiple... scrubs.

[dh144498]

Yes, because Kobe not starting for 3 years, missing huge chunks of 2 seasons due to lockouts and almost all of last year due to injury means nothing...

:oldlol:
/thread
shut it down

[CelticBaller]

Jordan mythologists still want extra credit for quitting on his championship level teammates twice.

No shame. :facepalm
like kobe did in 04?

[senelcoolidge]

MJ and Wilt amassed so much in such a short time it's astonishing. MJ and Wilt basically played 13 seasons each when you take into account both having a season where they played less than 20 games. It took the other guys more time to catch them. Just shows their greatness.

[gts]

like kobe did in 04?

How many games did he miss that season?

[Nastradamus]

Jordan is better than Kobe.

However....

Kobe didn't take multiple full season breaks mid career

Kobe came right out of HS and those first few years lowered his average

Kobe had multiple serious injuries that really slowed his progress of late.

[greymatter]

Michael Jordan, clearly the GOAT and it's not even close. But congrats to Kobe for his lifetime volume scoring award.

It's only "not even close" to imbeciles who grew up being inundated with ESPN's nonsense and can't even think for themselves.

In terms of success? He's #2. It's not even all that impressive considering that his teams were heavily favored in most of his Finals' series. He only faced 1 Finals opponent that had a decent shot at winning (93 Suns). Bill Russell carried his team to one of the greatest upsets in Finals' history against a Lakers squad that featured West, Baylor, and Chamberlain. 6 titles against 5 different opponents = never faced any truly great teams.

In terms of impact? Not even close. He needed the right coach and teammates molded around him in order to win. He was such a douchebag as a teammate, that Bill Cartwright threatened to "breaking his ****ing legs". Magic, Bird, Russell were clearly orders of magnitude better at elevating their teams. It couldn't be more evident than simply looking at their teams' records the year before they arrived and the year after they retired.

In terms of overall offense/defensive dominance on an individual level? He's still not even close to #1. That honor goes to Wilt.

The only thing MJ has as a very strong argument for GOAT level categorization is clutch play.

Not to say that Jordan doesn't have a strong argument for GOAT, but "not-even-close" is only something that know-nothing imbeciles bandy about as though it's undeniable fact.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's only "not even close" to imbeciles who grew up being inundated with ESPN's nonsense and can't even think for themselves.

In terms of success? He's #2. It's not even all that impressive considering that his teams were heavily favored in most of his Finals' series. He only faced 1 Finals opponent that had a decent shot at winning (93 Suns). Bill Russell carried his team to one of the greatest upsets in Finals' history against a Lakers squad that featured West, Baylor, and Chamberlain. 6 titles against 5 different opponents = never faced any truly great teams.

In terms of impact? Not even close. He needed the right coach and teammates molded around him in order to win. He was such a douchebag as a teammate, that Bill Cartwright threatened to "breaking his ****ing legs". Magic, Bird, Russell were clearly orders of magnitude better at elevating their teams. It couldn't be more evident than simply looking at their teams' records the year before they arrived and the year after they retired.

In terms of overall offense/defensive dominance on an individual level? He's still not even close to #1. That honor goes to Wilt.

The only thing MJ has as a very strong argument for GOAT level categorization is clutch play.

Not to say that Jordan doesn't have a strong argument for GOAT, but "not-even-close" is only something that know-nothing imbeciles bandy about as though it's undeniable fact.

I think he was saying it's "not even close" in regards to Kobe being ahead of him, which I would agree with. There's no logical argument for ranking Kobe ahead of Jordan. But I do agree that other players have an argument for GOAT, but those would only be Kareem (longevity), Russell (championships), and Wilt (stats)

[GimmeThat]

Looking up his stats:
http://www.nba.com/history/players/jordan_stats.html

18 games in 85-86
17 games in 94-95
So 13 full seasons + 35 games. Less than 13.5

So really it took Kobe about 17.5 full seasons or another 4 years to pass Mike in points. Just imagine had Mike played NBA instead of 3 years of college, or not skipped 93-95 and 98-01.
Michael scored 1788 pts at UNC.

Michael Jordan, clearly the GOAT and it's not even close. But congrats to Kobe for his lifetime volume scoring award.


the best dribbler, doesn't really score, just because he/she can dribble

you know

[dh144498]

Yes, because Kobe not starting for 3 years, missing huge chunks of 2 seasons due to lockouts and almost all of last year due to injury means nothing...

/thread should have ended here.
/rekt

[greymatter]

I think he was saying it's "not even close" in regards to Kobe being ahead of him, which I would agree with. There's no logical argument for ranking Kobe ahead of Jordan. But I do agree that other players have an argument for GOAT, but those would only be Kareem (longevity), Russell (championships), and Wilt (stats)

He typed it, "Michael Jordan, clearly the GOAT and it's not even close."

It doesn't say, "clearly better than Kobe and it's not even close".

[ArbitraryWater]

People forget this

http://i.gyazo.com/affc04577f7937124be04944da2f6d88.png

[CelticBaller]

How many games did he miss that season?
kobe played 60+ games

[dh144498]

People forget this

http://i.gyazo.com/affc04577f7937124be04944da2f6d88.png

das fcked up yo.
:oldlol: