Which player had the best 1st championship stats?

[dubeta]

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[SouBeachTalents]

Wilt

[9erempiree]

These kind of threads bring a smile to my face.

Shook.

:oldlol:

[Poetry]

Shaq with 38/16.7 was pretty scary.

[SouBeachTalents]

If we're talking strictly Finals, then either Shaq or Jordan

[Smook A.]

Adam Morrison.

[Nash-tastic]

Shaq or Jordan

[T_L_P]

Shaq or Jordan

..

[Milbuck]

1981 Larry Bird, without question. With his monstrous 15 ppg on 42% shooting, against the juggernaut that was the sub-.500, 40 win 16th ranked defense Rockets. With such legendary performances as back-to-back-to-back 8, 8, and 12 point explosions.

And all of this was at the ripe young age of 24, the same age when guys like Lebron were scrubbing it up with playoff duds like 39/8/8 against the #1 defense, Kobe with a pitiful 32/5/4 against the #3 defense and an even bigger mega scrub in peak Duncan, Jordan with a garbage 36/7/5/2/1 playoff run.. Why this isn't talked about more when discussing Bird's legacy will always baffle me, we're talking one of the all-time great runs here, and no one seems to give a shit.

[SouBeachTalents]

1981 Larry Bird, without question. With his monstrous 15 ppg on 42% shooting, against the juggernaut that was the sub-.500, 40 win 16th ranked defense Rockets. With such legendary performances as back-to-back-to-back 8, 8, and 12 point explosions.

And all of this was at the ripe young age of 24, the same age when guys like Lebron were scrubbing it up with playoff duds like 39/8/8 against the #1 defense, Kobe with a pitiful 32/5/4 against the #3 defense and an even bigger mega scrub in peak Duncan, Jordan with a garbage 36/7/5/2/1 playoff run.. Why this isn't talked about more when discussing Bird's legacy will always baffle me, we're talking one of the all-time great runs here, and no one seems to give a shit.

Bro, you're gonna act like LeBron & Kobe didn't have sub-par/mediocre performances in their first Finals?

[russwest0]

Shaq or Jordan

This.

[dubeta]

Bro, you're gonna act like LeBron & Kobe didn't have sub-par/mediocre performances in their first Finals?

LeBron has valid excuses

2007- was triple teamed with no teammates

2011- Wade turned him into a spot up shooter

etc

[MastaKilla]

LeBron has valid excuses

2007- was triple teamed with no teammates

2011- Wade turned him into a spot up shooter

etc

loses game 3 by three points while shooting 39% with 5 turnovers..

loses game 4 by one point while shooting 10-30 and scoring 24 points..

"no teammates"

[Magic 32]

Kobe has valid excuses

2000- Jalen Rose

2004- Karl Malone

etc

:applause:

[dubeta]

:applause:

2nd greatest scorer in NBA history on Kobe's team and Kobe still choked
:lol

3 of the top 10 scorers (Kobe, Shaq, Malone) all colluded and Kobe still couldnt win :applause:

[Milbuck]

Bro, you're gonna act like LeBron & Kobe didn't have sub-par/mediocre performances in their first Finals?
No, they did and we hear about it incessantly. I don't see what that has to do with Bird's god-level 81 finals, which is criminally underrated around these parts.

[dontgetchoked]

why they only show points and rebounds? jordan averaged 31.2 points 6.6 rebounds 11.4 asssts 2.8 steals 1.4 blocks on 55 50 85

[Spurs5Rings2014]

why they only show points and rebounds?

Agenda.

[Smoke117]

No, they did and we hear about it incessantly. I don't see what that has to do with Bird's god-level 81 finals, which is criminally underrated around these parts.

Shut. Up.

[Milbuck]

Shut. Up.
No thanks. If you're done with the requests you can go ahead and get off my nuts.

[Smoke117]

No thanks. If you're done with the requests you can go ahead and get off my nuts.

But I like it here? It's warm and snug.

[Papaya Petee]

Wade> all

[KobesFinger]

LeBron has valid excuses

2007- was triple teamed with no teammates

2011- Wade turned him into a spot up shooter

etc

I already quoted this yesterday but I think the thread got deleted

[Dresta]

And what about the other stats? Bron and Kobe don't belong there at all - and where are Shaq and Wade? Two guys who were easily more dominant in their first successful NBA finals.

[dh144498]

dubeta in this thread:
http://www.gifbin.com/bin/072011/1310121676_angry_wrestler.gif

[fpliii]

Shaq, Wilt, Kareem deserve mentions.

[Budadiiii]

dubeta in this thread:
http://www.gifbin.com/bin/072011/1310121676_angry_wrestler.gif
More accurate representation:

https://data.archive.moe/board/wsg/image/1341/31/1341317686546.gif

[r0drig0lac]

why they only show points and rebounds? jordan averaged 31.2 points 6.6 rebounds 11.4 asssts 2.8 steals 1.4 blocks on 55 50 85
:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Myth]

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww180/yadigyadig09/photo.jpg

Great, now show their first Finals stats.

[BigBoss]

Lebron sure lucked out by losing his first finals against the Spurs then! Because his stats were:

22 ppg
6 apg
35% FG

[brownmamba00]

why not first finals?

[dunksby]

why not first finals?
How about sweeping the opponent putting up: 28 PPG/19 RPG/3 APG and approximately 4 BPG since they didn't keep track of it back then.

[SCdac]

Tim Duncan has to be considered. He was beastly against NY in the Finals...in only his second season in the NBA

27 ppg (.54 FG% / .80 FT%)
14 rpg
2 apg
2 bpg
1 spg
46 mpg
28.9 usage-%

33 points & 16 rebounds in Gm 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JORVFMO6Tns

complete with bank shots, post ups, dribble-drives, catch and finishes, pull up jumpers, turn around jumpers, layups, etc... his offense was/is really complete for a big man

[SHAQisGOAT]

1981 Larry Bird, without question. With his monstrous 15 ppg on 42% shooting, against the juggernaut that was the sub-.500, 40 win 16th ranked defense Rockets. With such legendary performances as back-to-back-to-back 8, 8, and 12 point explosions.

And all of this was at the ripe young age of 24, the same age when guys like Lebron were scrubbing it up with playoff duds like 39/8/8 against the #1 defense, Kobe with a pitiful 32/5/4 against the #3 defense and an even bigger mega scrub in peak Duncan, Jordan with a garbage 36/7/5/2/1 playoff run.. Why this isn't talked about more when discussing Bird's legacy will always baffle me, we're talking one of the all-time great runs here, and no one seems to give a shit.

Just **** the 15 RPG, 7 APG and 2 SPG, huh? :rolleyes: 3rd best scorer in the series, easily the best playmaker, played really good D, almost rebounded at the same pace as a prime Moses Malone, coming up clutch as hell, especially in the decisive game6 (go watch it please), while his team got that title... In one of the most physical series you'll ever see, shit that would make today's stars "cry" :lol
Oh, and Larry is the only player who've ever averaged 15+/15+/7+ in a Finals series; Call it arbitrary yea, but no other player ever did it in more than 50 years of NBA history. Good call on the monstrous:applause:

Not to mention that in the ECF that same year - what most would call the real Finals and one of the GOAT playoff series - he DECISIVELY outplayed the MVP Dr J, leading the Celtics over a 3-1 deficit against the established powerhouse 76ers (62W that year)...

Forget/neglect that ^, or the fact that just two seasons before it, the Celtics were a falling franchise and had the 2nd worst record in the league... Larry quickly changed that, then by his sophomore year he was already leading them to a title, same core roster (major addition was Parish, in 1981 only with Cowens gone).

In his 2nd Championship run, in 1984, most of his teammates were playing well below their standards while Bird was just tearing shit up, leading them all the way to the title against GOAT-level competition.
He led the team in points, rebounds, assists, steals, FG% and FT% :eek: :bowdown: Now go find me other player who did that, I'll wait........

Also, he's the only player who've ever averaged a triple-double in a Finals series (in 1986, if you round up the numbers).

Ignorant people such as yourself will only look at selected stats and go off on shit you know nothing of.

I see you underrating Bird like a motha****er many times though, most times without even knowing what you're talking about.
:facepalm

[Beastmode88]

2nd greatest scorer in NBA history on Kobe's team and Kobe still choked
:lol

3 of the top 10 scorers (Kobe, Shaq, Malone) all colluded and Kobe still couldnt win :applause:

lebron had shaq and still couldn't win a ring? :confusedshrug:

[Kblaze8855]

1981 Larry Bird, without question. With his monstrous 15 ppg on 42% shooting, against the juggernaut that was the sub-.500, 40 win 16th ranked defense Rockets. With such legendary performances as back-to-back-to-back 8, 8, and 12 point explosions.

And all of this was at the ripe young age of 24, the same age when guys like Lebron were scrubbing it up with playoff duds like 39/8/8 against the #1 defense, Kobe with a pitiful 32/5/4 against the #3 defense and an even bigger mega scrub in peak Duncan, Jordan with a garbage 36/7/5/2/1 playoff run.. Why this isn't talked about more when discussing Bird's legacy will always baffle me, we're talking one of the all-time great runs here, and no one seems to give a shit.


He had 18/21/9 and the biggest shot of the game in game 1

19/21/3 3 steals and 5 blocks in game 2

8/13/10 3 steals and 3 blocks in a 20+ point win in game 3

8/12/7 in game 4 loss

12/12/8 in a 30 point win in game 5

26/13/5/3 and 7 straight points to put the game away after the Rockets got within 3 in the 4th quarter after being down 16 with 10 minutes to go.


So...why would anyone give a shit? Because he didnt bother scoring extra points in two blowout wins to pad the series stats? Hell he already had near triple doubles in both. He should have taken more shots up 25 and 35 at points of those games to bump up his average for the series to maybe 18/15/7?

Why? To serve what purpose?

Impressing people just posting his numbers to hate 30 years later?

He had one bad game.

Nobody needs to give a shit.

[Psileas]

Great, now show their first Finals stats.

Kobe's figures are wrong, they are taken from the 2001 Finals.

[SHAQisGOAT]

He had 18/21/9 and the biggest shot of the game in game 1

19/21/3 3 steals and 5 blocks in game 2

8/13/10 3 steals and 3 blocks in a 20+ point win in game 3

8/12/7 in game 4 loss

12/12/8 in a 30 point win in game 5

26/13/5/3 and 7 straight points to put the game away after the Rockets got within 3 in the 4th quarter after being down 16 with 10 minutes to go.


So...why would anyone give a shit? Because he didnt bother scoring extra points in two blowout wins to pad the series stats? Hell he already had near triple doubles in both. He should have taken more shots up 25 and 35 at points of those games to bump up his average for the series to maybe 18/15/7?

Why? To serve what purpose?

Impressing people just posting his numbers to hate 30 years later?

He had one bad game.

Nobody needs to give a shit.

:applause:

[Milbuck]

He had 18/21/9 and the biggest shot of the game in game 1

19/21/3 3 steals and 5 blocks in game 2

8/13/10 3 steals and 3 blocks in a 20+ point win in game 3

8/12/7 in game 4 loss

12/12/8 in a 30 point win in game 5

26/13/5/3 and 7 straight points to put the game away after the Rockets got within 3 in the 4th quarter after being down 16 with 10 minutes to go.


So...why would anyone give a shit? Because he didnt bother scoring extra points in two blowout wins to pad the series stats? Hell he already had near triple doubles in both. He should have taken more shots up 25 and 35 at points of those games to bump up his average for the series to maybe 18/15/7?

Why? To serve what purpose?

Impressing people just posting his numbers to hate 30 years later?

He had one bad game.

Nobody needs to give a shit.
I guess the sarcastic tone of the post suggested more hate than I intended. The point of the post wasn't to call Bird's 81 finals a flop...not that I think it was anything special...it was to point out how people pick and choose how and when to defend performances. I'm glad Bird's team was able to blow teams out in the finals by 20-30 points with him scoring right around single digits. I wonder how people would react if Lebron in 2013 closed out the Spurs series with 3 straight 8-12 point performances and Miami destroyed San Antonio in two of those games. Something tells me we'd be hearing less about the beauty of his playmaking, his defense, the totality of his game, picking out plays here and there, and more about how ****ing stacked his team was.

[SouBeachTalents]

I guess the sarcastic tone of the post suggested more hate than I intended. The point of the post wasn't to call Bird's 81 finals a flop...not that I think it was anything special...it was to point out how people pick and choose how and when to defend performances. I'm glad Bird's team was able to blow teams out in the finals by 20-30 points with him scoring right around single digits. I wonder how people would react if Lebron in 2013 closed out the Spurs series with 3 8-12 point performances and Miami destroyed San Antonio in two of those games. Something tells me we'd be hearing less about the beauty of his playmaking, his defense, the totality of his game, picking out plays here and there, and more about how ****ing stacked his team was.

Lol, we hear about this even though that didn't happen

[SHAQisGOAT]

I guess the sarcastic tone of the post suggested more hate than I intended. The point of the post wasn't to call Bird's 81 finals a flop...not that I think it was anything special...it was to point out how people pick and choose how and when to defend performances. I'm glad Bird's team was able to blow teams out in the finals by 20-30 points with him scoring right around single digits. I wonder how people would react if Lebron in 2013 closed out the Spurs series with 3 straight 8-12 point performances and Miami destroyed San Antonio in two of those games. Something tells me we'd be hearing less about the beauty of his playmaking, his defense, the totality of his game, picking out plays here and there, and more about how ****ing stacked his team was.

Blowing teams out? :wtf: Series ended up 4-2, with less than 10 points differential...
Larry scoring "only" 15 PPG yea, but also 7 APG (easily leader in the series), 15.3 RPG (easily leading his team, almost rebounding at the same pace as a prime Moses Malone), and also playing pretty good D, plus with a great game6 to close the series, clutch as hell too...

And, again, Celtics were a franchise falling apart before Bird got there, 29-53 record in 1979 too (2nd worst in the league), then rookie Larry quickly changes that with basically the same core roster and a new coach (best record and ECF); and by his 2nd year he's leading them to a ring with the main addition being Robert Parish (Cowens gone) who was already 27 and never viewed as all that before (McHale a rookie)...
Yea, stacked :rolleyes:

Go look at how he was severely outplaying MVP Julius Erving in the 1981 ECF, too. Leading the C's over a 3-1 deficit in the "real" Finals, against an established powerhouse team. They don't get even remotely close to the Finals if it wasn't for Larry lmfao (easy to see also by what they were doing before he got there).
Shit like that means nothing though... Mention some selected stats about games/series you know nothin about...

One more time, how about in the 1984 Playoffs when his teammates were playing well below their standards (on a team that wasn't close to 1986 Celtics' level), and he plays like a beast, leading the team in points, rebounds, assists, steals, FG% and FT% :bowdown: All the way to that title, in the Finals facing the mighty showtime Lakers with Kareem, Magic, Worthy, McAdoo, Cooper, Rambis, Wilkes, Scott...

^How about people also neglecting shit like that? Then talking about his teammates and whatnot, this and that, naming names without knowing what they're talking about... Plenty of names that Larry "made". And they were shitty before him, considerably worse when he was out, and improving plenty again even when he came back as a shelll... How about people "forgetting" that?
Oh, and that man was playing against GOAT-level competition, in terms of teams, top stars and SF's; guess stuff like that never crossed your mind also :rolleyes:

[G0ATbe]

More accurate representation:

https://data.archive.moe/board/wsg/image/1341/31/1341317686546.gif
:lol :lol :lol

[KirbyPls]

I guess the sarcastic tone of the post suggested more hate than I intended. The point of the post wasn't to call Bird's 81 finals a flop...not that I think it was anything special...it was to point out how people pick and choose how and when to defend performances. I'm glad Bird's team was able to blow teams out in the finals by 20-30 points with him scoring right around single digits. I wonder how people would react if Lebron in 2013 closed out the Spurs series with 3 straight 8-12 point performances and Miami destroyed San Antonio in two of those games. Something tells me we'd be hearing less about the beauty of his playmaking, his defense, the totality of his game, picking out plays here and there, and more about how ****ing stacked his team was.

:applause:

[Shih508]

AI had best first final game.. it's just he never had supports like Kobe and LeBron had.

[SouBeachTalents]

AI had best first final game.. it's just he never had supports like Kobe and LeBron had.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/3092391/iverson3.gif

[Milbuck]

Blowing teams out? :wtf: Series ended up 4-2, with less than 10 points differential...
Larry scoring "only" 15 PPG yea, but also 7 APG (easily leader in the series), 15.3 RPG (easily leading his team, almost rebounding at the same pace as a prime Moses Malone), and also playing pretty good D, plus with a great game6 to close the series, clutch as hell too...

And, again, Celtics were a franchise falling apart before Bird got there, 29-53 record in 1979 too (2nd worst in the league), then rookie Larry quickly changes that with basically the same core roster and a new coach (best record and ECF); and by his 2nd year he's leading them to a ring with the main addition being Robert Parish (Cowens gone) who was already 27 and never viewed as all that before (McHale a rookie)...
Yea, stacked :rolleyes:

Go look at how he was severely outplaying MVP Julius Erving in the 1981 ECF, too. Leading the C's over a 3-1 deficit in the "real" Finals, against an established powerhouse team. They don't get even remotely close to the Finals if it wasn't for Larry lmfao (easy to see also by what they were doing before he got there).
Shit like that means nothing though... Mention some selected stats about games/series you know nothin about...

One more time, how about in the 1984 Playoffs when his teammates were playing well below their standards (on a team that wasn't close to 1986 Celtics' level), and he plays like a beast, leading the team in points, rebounds, assists, steals, FG% and FT% :bowdown: All the way to that title, in the Finals facing the mighty showtime Lakers with Kareem, Magic, Worthy, McAdoo, Cooper, Rambis, Wilkes, Scott...

^How about people also neglecting shit like that? Then talking about his teammates and whatnot, this and that, naming names without knowing what they're talking about... Plenty of names that Larry "made". And they were shitty before him, considerably worse when he was out, and improving plenty again even when he came back as a shelll... How about people "forgetting" that?
Oh, and that man was playing against GOAT-level competition, in terms of teams, top stars and SF's; guess stuff like that never crossed your mind also :rolleyes:

First off, that other stuff is irrelevant. No one is bringing up his ECF, his 84 finals, his 86 finals, whatever, so I don't know why you feel the need to break down all of those moments and get so defensive with it. I could just as easily bring up insane playoff series that Lebron, Kobe, hell even guys lower on the GOAT list like Wade, Dirk, etc did to randomly dismiss any criticisms they get...it just has nothing to do with the original post. Bird did some amazing stuff...no shit.

As to your point about Bird's 84 finals and 86 finals...you're proving my point exactly. NO ONE neglects that. We hear about it endlessly in Bird discussions, and justifiably so, because it was incredible. I don't know where you got this warped view that people "neglect" Bird's 84-86 peak...people respect that shit aggressively.

And I don't know why you're fuming at the thought of Bird's 81 finals not being scrutinized at the level people choose to scrutinize various performances by the guys I mentioned. And as for the blowout wins...what would you consider two 20-30 point wins? Again I ask, what would be the reaction, both in and outside of ISH, if Lebron was to drop 8 points and 12 points in blowout wins en route to winning the 2013 finals, while several teammates scored in double figures? I'm sure people would be raving about his defense, his rebounding, his all-around game.