Bomani Jones says kobe isn't like jordan and isn't a clutch player

[rlsmooth775]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU-FIEGvfjg

I always think this when I watch kobe play. Jordan never took the stupid shots kobe takes to this day.

[SugarHill]

That lady with the Jordan propping in between people talking is absolutely hilarious. Just softly says she like "Jordan was more comfortable in his superstar skin" lol. She makes that whole thing.

[SpaceJammeR]

only kobe fan boys think he's clutch. it's a huge myth. he takes horrible shots and he takes a lot of them. his fans go crazy when ha makes the tough looking shots but makes only 1/10 and forgets all about the other misses.

[Im so nba'd out]

he's not clutch though he just has bigger balls than everyone and will take that shot every time no matter how mad his teammates get.

[deja vu]

Even LeBron is more clutch than Kobe and I despise the guy. Sure he made plenty of tough shots but so does every other superstar. You're bound to make some of those tough shots if you keep chucking.

[Eric Cartman]

It's unfair to compare Kobe with Jordan. Nobody can be like Mike yo'

[Da_Realist]

Was this recorded during a commercial break or did this air? This seems too real for TV. Doesn't seem to fit what most tv personalities are willing to say on air...

[HOoopCityJones]

Bomani just trying to get a raise from BSPN.

[T_L_P]

'Kobe is the closest thing we've seen to Michael'.

God I hate those words. Half the time people say this when they are too scared to outright compare Kobe to Jordan.

Mullin is the closest thing we've seen to Bird. Big fcking deal. :oldlol:

[HOoopCityJones]

'Kobe is the closest thing we've seen to Michael'.

God I hate those words. Half the time people say this when they are too scared to outright compare Kobe to Jordan.

Mullin is the closest thing we've seen to Bird. Big fcking deal. :oldlol:

:biggums:

[T_L_P]

:biggums:

Alright, so nobody really compares to Bird at the SF spot.

Whatever comparison you want to make. That who line of thinking is just stupid.

Heck, you could argue Wade's playstyle (attacking the rim) was more reminiscent of Jordan's than Kobe's was.

[SugarHill]

Alright, so nobody really compares to Bird at the SF spot.

Whatever comparison you want to make. That who line of thinking is just stupid.

Heck, you could argue Wade's playstyle (attacking the rim) was more reminiscent of Jordan's than Kobe's was.

Wade = young Jordan
Kobe = 2nd 3peat Jordan

[HOoopCityJones]

Alright, so nobody really compares to Bird at the SF spot.

Whatever comparison you want to make. That who line of thinking is just stupid.

Heck, you could argue Wade's playstyle (attacking the rim) was more reminiscent of Jordan's than Kobe's was.

Why is it people pretend like Kobe never played above the rim? I'm ****ing confused.

I'm starting to believe John Ireland when he said on the Herd this morning that East Coasters were dead sleep half the time when Kobe was torching shit on those 8 o'clock West Coast games. Some of you really need to brush up on the late 90's to the early to mid 2000's.

[Nowitness]

Why is it people pretend like Kobe never played above the rim? I'm ****ing confused.

I'm starting to believe John Ireland when he said on the Herd this morning that East Coasters were dead sleep half the time when Kobe was torching shit on those 8 o'clock West Coast games. Some of you really need to brush up on the late 90's to the early to mid 2000's.

So many bricks have past since; hard to remember a time he shot above 40% really I guess.

[HOoopCityJones]

So many bricks have past since; hard to remember a time he shot above 40% really I guess.

Trust me you remember. Kobe is your life blood. :oldlol:

[rlsmooth775]

Why is it people pretend like Kobe never played above the rim? I'm ****ing confused.

I'm starting to believe John Ireland when he said on the Herd this morning that East Coasters were dead sleep half the time when Kobe was torching shit on those 8 o'clock West Coast games. Some of you really need to brush up on the late 90's to the early to mid 2000's.

As a finisher he doesn't compare to Jordan and Lebron

[VengefulAngel]

As a finisher he doesn't compare to Jordan and Lebron

Not many perimeter players in NBA history do.

[HOoopCityJones]

As a finisher he doesn't compare to Jordan and Lebron

Kobe is a better Dunker than Lebron period. More creative and skill.

Lebron has the better ups, but he can't necessarily hanglide in the air like Kobe could.

Jordan could do both.

[rlsmooth775]

Kobe is a better Dunker than Lebron period. More creative and skill.

Lebron has the better ups, but he can't necessarily hanglide in the air like Kobe could.

Jordan could do both.

Again as a finisher he doesn't compare to Jordan and Lebron what does dunk creativity have to do with anything

[HOoopCityJones]

Again as a finisher he doesn't compare to Jordan and Lebron what does dunk creativity have to do with anything

Dude , you can hide behind Jordan's name all you want. Lebron does the same dunk every time. Kobe is visually and technically the better Dunker. If we're talking who gets to the rim easier or better , then i'd give it to LBJ, but overall dunking skill is Kobe bean, man.

[rlsmooth775]

Dude , you can hide behind Jordan's name all you want. Lebron does the same dunk every time. Kobe is visually and technically the better Dunker. If we're talking who gets to the rim easier or better , then i'd give it to LBJ, but overall dunking skill is Kobe bean, man.

Duh thats what I have been saying

[rlsmooth775]

Hoopcity is crazy man lol

[HOoopCityJones]

Duh thats what I have been saying

You said finisher though. :lol That's more in terms of the type of finish at the rim , instead of the volume in which you reach it. My misunderstanding either way, my bad.

Kobe the better Dunker tho. :confusedshrug:

[rlsmooth775]

You said finisher though. :lol That's more in terms of the type of finish at the rim , instead of the volume in which you reach it. My misunderstanding either way, my bad.

Kobe the better Dunker tho. :confusedshrug:

Yeah finishing means converting a layup and dunk

[plowking]

At 36 seconds, that is the perfect response to "Kobe is the best bad shot maker" that his fans for some reason love to bring up. :oldlol:

"What's that? What's that mean?" :oldlol:

Perfect.

[rlsmooth775]

At 36 seconds, that is the perfect response to "Kobe is the best bad shot maker" that his fans for some reason love to bring up. :oldlol:

"What's that? What's that mean?" :oldlol:

Perfect.

I know Kobe fans celebrate a shot made at a low succession rate

[Rake2204]

Was this recorded during a commercial break or did this air? This seems too real for TV. Doesn't seem to fit what most tv personalities are willing to say on air...Don't know if it aired. It was titled "Behind the Horn" so it might be an internet exclusive. It was ten times more watchable than the show itself as it actually contained seemingly legitimate discourse.
At 36 seconds, that is the perfect response to "Kobe is the best bad shot maker" that his fans for some reason love to bring up. :oldlol:

"What's that? What's that mean?" :oldlol:

Perfect.Truth.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe has the most game winners in NBA history and has the balls to look bad.

Bomani Jones is gay, so there's that.

[Nastradamus]

Clutch isn't about last second shots to me. Kobe has always taken over 4th quarters and playoff series when his team needed him to most.

[ArbitraryWater]

That lady with the Jordan propping in between people talking is absolutely hilarious. Just softly says she like "Jordan was more comfortable in his superstar skin" lol. She makes that whole thing.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

At 36 seconds, that is the perfect response to "Kobe is the best bad shot maker" that his fans for some reason love to bring up. :oldlol:

"What's that? What's that mean?" :oldlol:

Perfect.

It means a guy like Kobe makes the most out of the worst situation allowing others to shine. That's why Smush, Kwame and friends were a top 10 offense. That's why Shaq could be Shaq without Kobe clogging the lane. Other superstars turn Bosh into jumpshooters and Wade into 6th men as long as they get theirs. :confusedshrug:

[r15mohd]

It means a guy like Kobe makes the most out of the worst situation allowing others to shine. That's why Smush, Kwame and friends were a top 10 offense. That's why Shaq could be Shaq without Kobe clogging the lane. Other superstars turn Bosh into jumpshooters and Wade into 6th men as long as they get theirs. :confusedshrug:

4 finals, 2 titles...and you'd trade for that scenario without question. :rolleyes:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

4 finals, 2 titles...and you'd trade for that scenario without question. :rolleyes:

Leastern Conference tho :confusedshrug:

[r15mohd]

Leastern Conference tho :confusedshrug:

is that your excuse for the west not winning all 4? :rolleyes:

[tontoz]

He is taking over 5 threes a game shooting 27.4%. :facepalm

[Da_Realist]

Don't know if it aired. It was titled "Behind the Horn" so it might be an internet exclusive. It was ten times more watchable than the show itself as it actually contained seemingly legitimate discourse.

Yes that makes sense. You can tell they dispensed with the official niceties and you can see JA Adande, a life long Lakers fan, grew legitimately agitated. I wish we saw more of this kind of stuff.

On a side note... The one person I'd love to have a 2 hour, no-holds barred, 100% confidential lunch with would be ISIAH THOMAS. He's like a chameleon -- he becomes whatever is needed for whatever broadcast he's on. He's too smart, has too much hood in him and too competitive for me to buy the act. I'd love to know his real opinions on everything from the Big Three (MJ, Magic, Bird), his non-biased top ten championship team rankings, how he analyzes his career and the perception of it, the CBA, the Knicks experience and the overall state of the NBA. I just know the things he said in practice and in huddles will die with the team and never see the light of day.

There's something there. He had too much fire. I mean, he stepped to 7'1" Bill Cartwright in Chicago. Now we see him joking around and glad-handing everybody on NBA TV. I want the real Isiah. I think he has some insights that would blow people's minds. I want to see the Isiah that Adrian Dantley hates so much!

[houston]

funny kobe is the man

[Rake2204]

Yes that makes sense. You can tell they dispensed with the official niceties and you can see JA Adande, a life long Lakers fan, grew legitimately agitated. I wish we saw more of this kind of stuff.

On a side note... The one person I'd love to have a 2 hour, no-holds barred, 100% confidential lunch with would be ISIAH THOMAS. He's like a chameleon -- he becomes whatever is needed for whatever broadcast he's on. He's too smart, has too much hood in him and too competitive for me to buy the act. I'd love to know his real opinions on everything from the Big Three (MJ, Magic, Bird), his non-biased top ten championship team rankings, how he analyzes his career and the perception of it, the CBA, the Knicks experience and the overall state of the NBA. I just know the things he said in practice and in huddles will die with the team and never see the light of day.

There's something there. He had too much fire. I mean, he stepped to 7'1" Bill Cartwright in Chicago. Now we see him joking around and glad-handing everybody on NBA TV. I want the real Isiah. I think he has some insights that would blow people's minds. I want to see the Isiah that Adrian Dantley hates so much!I think the closest I ever got to seeing the real Isiah was his conversation with Bill Simmons in The Book on Basketball. Even then, yeah, he's talking to media - but it seemed a touch more real than his on-air personality.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

At 36 seconds, that is the perfect response to "Kobe is the best bad shot maker" that his fans for some reason love to bring up. :oldlol:

"What's that? What's that mean?" :oldlol:

Perfect.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it means he's best at making bad shots.

[Da_Realist]

I think the closest I ever got to seeing the real Isiah was his conversation with Bill Simmons in The Book on Basketball. Even then, yeah, he's talking to media - but it seemed a touch more real than his on-air personality.

Yep. That's where I got the idea.

[Hoopz2332]

Kobe has the most game winners in NBA history and has the balls to look bad.

Bomani Jones is gay, so there's that.


Kobe isn't clutch at all. He's pretty terrible by almost all measures.We just remember his makes more than his misses.

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Kobe and the Clutch Playoff Performance Myth (2011)


[quote][b]In my 25 plus years of following the NBA, one of the more fascinating phenomena to me has been the plight of those that I refer to as

[Hoopz2332]

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Clutch numbers in the playoffs

Playoff clutch time

http://i.imgur.com/6sylQYF.jpg (old)

updated

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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/58575/lebron-james-isnt-clutch-think-again

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Clutch isn't just defined as walk off shots and game winners. In the last 5 minutes of a game, Kobe is just as good as anyone in today's game. Or was. This year dude has been atrocious in 4th quarters.

[Nash]

It means a guy like Kobe makes the most out of the worst situation allowing others to shine. That's why Smush, Kwame and friends were a top 10 offense. That's why Shaq could be Shaq without Kobe clogging the lane. Other superstars turn Bosh into jumpshooters and Wade into 6th men as long as they get theirs. :confusedshrug:
yep, those heat doing great work without lebron

[Mr Feeny]

yep, those heat doing great work without lebron

:oldlol:
He keeps digging himself into holes:oldlol:

[chazzy]

Clutch isn't just defined as walk off shots and game winners. In the last 5 minutes of a game, Kobe is just as good as anyone in today's game. Or was. This year dude has been atrocious in 4th quarters.
https://elgee35.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/kobe-clutch.jpg

[pauk]

Factually anything he said is very correct....

[Nash]

Reggie Miller on Dan Patrick show: "Michael Jordan on his worst day is 10 times better than Kobe Bryant on his best day."

[pauk]

This doesnt mean Kobe sucks and that he isnt clutch or something.... but that he isnt as good as Jordan and wasnt as clutch as Jordan....

Kobe has alot of gamewinners, but he has taken a ridicilous amount of shots there and played for a long damn time so ofcourse he gona have that, however he has MUCH more misses there, he was less efficient there... what being more clutch than somebody else means is the higher success in that regard, meaning having the higher chance/likeliness of the shot going in..... Kobe has hit alot of clutch shots, but at an efficiency which is not impressive at all, especially when compared to Jordan.... and forget Jordan, actually his rate of hitting clutch shots more often than not is LESSER than MANY other players in NBA history.........

....and there is this myth, you will see it every season.... starting with the GM's answering questions: "Who would you like to take the lost shot - Kobe!".... to this very day...... over guys like Lebron & Durant who have not only hit more gamewinners/clutch shots past few seasons but at again a much more successful rate.... Lebron especially since he came into the league (03-04) for example has hit more clutch shots/gamewinners than Kobe (and anybody else in the league) has since 03-04 and again at a higher efficiency yet a GM and many/most fans would rather consider Kobe more clutch.... I dont know how this myth of Kobe being THAT CLUTCH started, but it exists and it truly is a myth....

[andgar923]

This doesnt mean Kobe sucks and that he isnt clutch or something.... but that he isnt as good as Jordan and wasnt as clutch as Jordan....

Kobe has alot of gamewinners, but he has taken a ridicilous amount of shots there and played for a long damn time so ofcourse he gona have that, however he has MUCH more misses there, he was less efficient there... what being more clutch than somebody else means is the higher success in that regard, meaning having the higher chance/likeliness of the shot going in..... Kobe has hit alot of clutch shots, but at an efficiency which is not impressive at all, especially when compared to Jordan.... and forget Jordan, actually his rate of hitting clutch shots more often than not is LESSER than MANY other players in NBA history.........

....and there is this myth, you will see it every season.... starting with the GM's answering questions: "Who would you like to take the lost shot - Kobe!".... to this very day...... over guys like Lebron & Durant who have not only hit more gamewinners/clutch shots past few seasons but at again a much more successful rate.... Lebron especially since he came into the league (03-04) for example has hit more clutch shots/gamewinners than Kobe (and anybody else in the league) has since 03-04 and again at a higher efficiency yet a GM and many/most fans would rather consider Kobe more clutch.... I dont know how this myth of Kobe being THAT CLUTCH started, but it exists and it truly is a myth....

No offense but you're a Bron fan (although I agree with this post), but a better example is substituting Bron and Durant with Melo and Joe Johnson who have a better efficiency.

Melo is clutch while having a good amount of attempts.

[Rooster]

This doesnt mean Kobe sucks and that he isnt clutch or something.... but that he isnt as good as Jordan and wasnt as clutch as Jordan....

Kobe has alot of gamewinners, but he has taken a ridicilous amount of shots there and played for a long damn time so ofcourse he gona have that, however he has MUCH more misses there, he was less efficient there... what being more clutch than somebody else means is the higher success in that regard, meaning having the higher chance/likeliness of the shot going in..... Kobe has hit alot of clutch shots, but at an efficiency which is not impressive at all, especially when compared to Jordan.... and forget Jordan, actually his rate of hitting clutch shots more often than not is LESSER than MANY other players in NBA history.........

....and there is this myth, you will see it every season.... starting with the GM's answering questions: "Who would you like to take the lost shot - Kobe!".... to this very day...... over guys like Lebron & Durant who have not only hit more gamewinners/clutch shots past few seasons but at again a much more successful rate.... Lebron especially since he came into the league (03-04) for example has hit more clutch shots/gamewinners than Kobe (and anybody else in the league) has since 03-04 and again at a higher efficiency yet a GM and many/most fans would rather consider Kobe more clutch.... I dont know how this myth of Kobe being THAT CLUTCH started, but it exists and it truly is a myth....

What myth? Clutch shots are usually the hardest shots to take no matter how good your percentage is. And that's the reason Shaq does not take them and that's the reason Lebron does not like to take them unless it's an easy shot for him because as we all know, he does not like to the risk unless it favors him.

[kshutts1]

As a Jordan disliker, I hate to hear someone say something so final as "Jordan never took bad shots". Really? Never? Come on now. Of course he did. He took bad shots every single game.

If someone wants to say that Jordan took less bad shots than Kobe on a per-game basis, then maybe I can get on board with that. But to say he never took them? Just perpetuates the ridiculous Jordan-is-untouchable myth.

[Rooster]

As a Jordan disliker, I hate to hear someone say something so final as "Jordan never took bad shots". Really? Never? Come on now. Of course he did. He took bad shots every single game.

If someone wants to say that Jordan took less bad shots than Kobe on a per-game basis, then maybe I can get on board with that. But to say he never took them? Just perpetuates the ridiculous Jordan-is-untouchable myth.

Yes but Kobe took more bad shots in his career. Buts it's a myth that Jordan never took one.

[kshutts1]

Yes but Kobe took more bad shots in his career. Buts it's a myth that he never took one.
That's not factual, but I believe that it is correct that Kobe took more bad shots.
I just get so sick and tired of hearing people basically deify Jordan. He's not even unanimously the best player of all time, much less flawless. Just another really good player, albeit a top 7-8 player of all time.

[Rooster]

That's not factual, but I believe that it is correct that Kobe took more bad shots.
I just get so sick and tired of hearing people basically deify Jordan. He's not even unanimously the best player of all time, much less flawless. Just another really good player, albeit a top 7-8 player of all time.

I was taking about Jordan. Jordan is definitely the GOAT. Few say it's Kareem factoring his college career. Few say it's Wilt factoring his stats and gew say it's Russell factoring his rings but most people will say Jordan considering all the factors to make him the GOAT.

[choppermagic]

only kobe fan boys think he's clutch. it's a huge myth. he takes horrible shots and he takes a lot of them. his fans go crazy when ha makes the tough looking shots but makes only 1/10 and forgets all about the other misses.

A ton of annual polls of GMs, coaches and NBA players had Kobe on top for a number of years too, so I guess you are calling the NBA Kobe fans. Since they are the people actually involved in NBA basketball, i guess that makes you the outlier.

[riseagainst]

A ton of annual polls of GMs, coaches and NBA players had Kobe on top for a number of years too, so I guess you are calling the NBA Kobe fans. Since they are the people actually involved in NBA basketball, i guess that makes you the outlier.

lol rekt

[Da_Realist]

As a Jordan disliker, I hate to hear someone say something so final as "Jordan never took bad shots". Really? Never? Come on now. Of course he did. He took bad shots every single game.

If someone wants to say that Jordan took less bad shots than Kobe on a per-game basis, then maybe I can get on board with that. But to say he never took them? Just perpetuates the ridiculous Jordan-is-untouchable myth.

It's an exaggeration to make a point. Jordan probably took a bad shot every game but when you are comparing two elite players and you need to make a quick summary as to why one player was better than the other, it's not infrequent to use an exaggeration to make that point. I don't think anyone that heard his comment understood it to mean that Jordan literally never took a bad shot.

Another example: Bird could see the play before it happens. That's an impossibility. It really means that Bird could anticipate a play so well that he could "guess" where the ball would be more often than not. Doesn't mean he didn't make mistakes or wrong guesses.

Other examples:

Magic always made the right pass.

Moses Malone said Kareem never missed his hook shot.

Shaq always made ft's when he needed to.

Wilt Chamberlain couldn't beat Bill Russell.

[MastaKilla]

So many bricks have past since; hard to remember a time he shot above 40% really I guess.

kind of like Dirk every time he makes the finals

[AlphaWolf24]

"Jordan never took bad shots".....( rolls eyes)....OMG.


Jordan was also cut from his HS basketball team....

[Hoopz2332]

No offense but you're a Bron fan (although I agree with this post), but a better example is substituting Bron and Durant with Melo and Joe Johnson who have a better efficiency.

Melo is clutch while having a good amount of attempts.

Melo hasn't been clutch in ages and Joe Johnson is good as last shots but trash in extended crunch time. Melo and Joe Johnson dom'tflat out dominate in the clutch like this...


Lebron is one of the best players in the league in the 4th/clucth time:coleman:

Take note of the field goal attempts and field goal %


2008-2009

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2009-2010


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2010-2011

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2011-2012 (sucked that year trying to adjust to wade)

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2012-2013 (back on track)

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Lebron basically put up triple doubles in crunch time alot of blks and stls:eek:






2013-2014

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Lebron does it all:pimp: