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rezznor
12-17-2014, 11:54 AM
It's about damn time. :applause:

If we can have good relations with Vietnam there is no reason why we can't start to normalize with Cuba. The Cubans in Florida will be pissed, but let's be real the dems weren't gonna win that state anyways.

Can't wait to take a Cuban beach vacation.


Washington (CNN) -- U.S. contractor Alan Gross, held by the Cuban government since 2009, was freed Wednesday as part of a landmark deal with Cuba that paves the way for a major overhaul in U.S. policy toward the island, senior administration officials tell CNN.
President Barack Obama is expected to announce Gross' release at noon in Washington. At around the same time, Cuban president Raul Castro will speak about it in Havana.
Gross' "humanitarian" release by Cuba was accompanied by a separate spy swap, the officials said. Cuba also freed a U.S. intelligence source who has been jailed in Cuba for more than 20 years, although authorities did not identify that person for security reasons. The U.S. released three Cuban intelligence agents convicted of espionage in 2001.
President Obama is also set to announce a major loosening of travel and economic restrictions and begin discussions on re-opening the U.S. embassy there in what officials called the most sweeping change in U.S. policy toward Cuba since 1961, when the embassy closed and the embargo was imposed.
Officials described the planned actions as the most forceful changes the president could make without legislation passing through Congress.
Cuban agents to be 'treated as heroes' Before release, Gross told wife 'goodbye'

For a President who took office promising to engage Cuba, the move could help shape Obama's foreign policy legacy.
"We are charting a new course toward Cuba," a senior administration official said. "The President understood the time was right to attempt a new approach, both because of the beginnings of changes in Cuba and because of the impediment this was causing for our regional policy."

Gross was arrested after traveling under a program under the U.S. Agency for International Development to deliver satellite phones and other communications equipment to the island's small Jewish population.

Cuban officials charged he was trying to foment a "Cuban Spring." In 2011, he was convicted and sentenced to 15 years in prison for attempting to set up an Internet network for Cuban dissidents "to promote destabilizing activities and subvert constitutional order."
After losing hope and health in Cuba, Gross finally released

Senior administration officials and Cuba observers have said recent reforms on the island and changing attitudes in the United States have created an opening for improved relations. U.S. and Cuban officials say Washington and Havana in recent months have increased official technical-level contacts on a variety of issues.
Obama publicly acknowledged for the first time last week that Washington was negotiating with Havana for Gross' release through a "variety of channels."
"We've been in conversations about how we can get Alan Gross home for quite some time," Obama said in an interview with Fusion television network. "We continue to be concerned about him."
Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., and Rep. Chris Van Hollen, Gross' Maryland congressman, are on the plane with Alan Gross and his wife, Judy, according to government officials.
The group of members left at 4 a.m. ET Wednesday from Washington for Cuba.

Gross' lawyer, Scott Gilbert, told CNN last month the years of confinement have taken their toll on his client. Gross has lost more than 100 pounds and is losing his teeth. His hips are so weak that he can barely walk and he has lost vision in one eye. He has also undertaken hunger strikes and threatened to take his own life.
With Gross' health in decline, a bipartisan group of 66 senators wrote Obama a letter in November 2013 urging him to "act expeditiously to take whatever steps are in the national interest to obtain [Gross's] release."
The three Cubans released as a part of the deal belonged the so-called Cuban Five, a quintet of Cuban intelligence officers convicted in 2001 for espionage. They were part of what was called the Wasp Network, which collected intelligence on prominent Cuban-American exile leaders and U.S. military bases.
The leader of the five, Gerardo Hernandez, was linked to the February 1996 downing of the two civilian planes operated by the U.S.-based dissident group Brothers to the Rescue, in which four men died. He is serving a two life sentences. Luis Medina, also known as Ramon Labanino; and Antonio Guerrero have just a few years left on their sentences.
The remaining two -- Rene Gonzalez and Fernando Gonzalez -- were released after serving most of their 15-year sentences and have already returned to Cuba, where they were hailed as heroes.
Wednesday's announcement that the U.S. will move toward restoring diplomatic ties with Cuba will also make it easier for Americans to travel to Cuba and do business with the Cuban people by extending general licenses, officials said. While the more liberal travel restrictions won't allow for tourism, they will permit greater American travel to the island.
Secretary of State John Kerry has also been instructed to review Cuba's place on the State Sponsors of Terrorism list, potentially paving the the way a lift on certain economic and political sanctions.
The revised relationship between the U.S. and Cuba comes ahead of the March 2015 Summit of the Americas, where the island country is set to participate for the first time. In the past, Washington has vetoed Havana's participation on the grounds it is not a democracy. This year, several countries have said they would not participate if Cuba was once again barred.
While only Congress can formally overturn the five decades-long embargo, the White House has some authorities to liberalize trade and travel to the island.
The 1996 Helms-Burton Act, which enshrined the embargo into legislation, allows for the President to extend general or specific licenses through a presidential determination, which could be justified as providing support for the Cuban people or democratic change in Cuba. Both Presidents Clinton and Obama exercised such authority to ease certain provisions of the regulations implementing the Cuba sanctions program.
READ: Could a U.S.-Cuba prisoner swap break the ice?
In an effort to boost the nascent Cuban private sector, the President will also allow expanded commercial sales and exports of goods and services to Cuba, particularly building materials for entrepreneurs and private residences, and allow greater business training, as well as permit greater communications hardware and services to go to the island.
Other announced changes permit U.S. and Cuban banks to build relationships and travelers to use credit and debit cards. U.S. travelers will be allowed to import up to $400 worth of goods from Cuba, including $100 in alcohol and tobacco -- even Cuban cigars. Remittances by Americans to their families back in Cuba will also be increased to approximately $2,000 per quarter.
Officials stressed the moves were not being undertaken to prop up the Castro regime, but rather to encourage further reforms on the island.
"None of this is seen as a reward. All of this is seen as a way of promoting change in Cuba because everything we have done in the past has demonstrably failed," another senior administration official said. "This is not the U.S. government saying Cuba has gotten so much better. It is still an authoritarian state and we still have profound differences with this government."
"But if we hope for change with Cuba, we must try for a different approach. And we believe that considerably more engagement with the Cuban people and the Cuban government is the way to do that," the official said, adding that the United States "will not for a moment lessen our support for improvement in human rights."
To that end, Cuba has agreed to release 53 political prisoners from a list of names provided by the United States. At least one of the prisoners has already been released. Havana has also agreed to permit significant access by its citizens to the Internet and allow the International Committee of the Red Cross and United Nations human rights officials back on the island for the first time in years.
Talks on a deal began between senior White House and Cuban officials last year and happened in fits and starts, officials said. The officials praised the role the Vatican played as guarantor of the process.
Officials would not reveal the name of the U.S. intelligence source, but officials said he was the individual who revealed to the U.S. the Wasp network, which included the Cuban Five.
"He was a very important hero," the U.S. official said.
The moves are far more sweeping than the last action Obama took toward Cuba in January 2011, when he eased restrictions on travel to and from the island. Relations have been largely frozen since Gross' conviction and the White House has made his release a condition of improved ties.
In 2013, Obama drew praise from advocates of changing U.S. policy toward Cuba when he said the U.S. had to be "creative" and "thoughtful" about fostering change on the island.
"The notion that the same policies that we put in place in 1961 would somehow still be as effective as they are today, in the age of the Internet and Google and world travel, doesn't make sense," Obama said at a November 2013 fundraiser in Florida. "We have to continue to update our policies."

KevinNYC
12-17-2014, 12:15 PM
Ibut let's be real the dems weren't gonna win that state anyways.
Let's be real. What?

2012
D 50.01% R 49.13%

2008
D 50.91% R 48.10%

Patrick Chewing
12-17-2014, 12:20 PM
Yeah Dade County is heavily Democratic. Majority of Dade County is Caribbean/Central/South America.

KevinNYC
12-17-2014, 12:21 PM
Florida is pretty much the definition of a swing state.

Also if Hiliary is the nominee, she crushed Obama in Florida.

KevinNYC
12-17-2014, 01:14 PM
Also someone just tweeted that Obama actually won 60% Cuban vote in Florida in 2012.
http://nbclatino.com/2012/11/09/surprise-obama-won-floridas-cuban-vote/

This probably means that the younger generation of Florida Cuban are not as conservative as the older generation.

Bob Menedez, Democrat of NJ is pissed about this.

rezznor
12-17-2014, 01:26 PM
Also someone just tweeted that Obama actually won 60% Cuban vote in Florida in 2012.
http://nbclatino.com/2012/11/09/surprise-obama-won-floridas-cuban-vote/

This probably means that the younger generation of Florida Cuban are not as conservative as the older generation.

Bob Menedez, Democrat of NJ is pissed about this.
appears my info is dated. i have always understood florida to be a firmly red state due to anti-communist cubans there. anyways, back to the actual topic. this is a pretty historical development. raul castro just made his own announcement and said that obama should be respected. that was a shocker, i dont think any of the castros have ever said anything like that about a US president

KevinNYC
12-17-2014, 01:28 PM
that was a shocker, i dont think any of the castros have ever said anything like that about a US president
Wait until Rush Limbaugh praises Obama for making Cuban Cigars cheaper.

rezznor
12-17-2014, 01:31 PM
Wait until Rush Limbaugh praises Obama for making Cuban Cigars cheaper.
rubio is already on tv denouncing the policy shift

KevinNYC
12-17-2014, 01:34 PM
appears my info is dated. i have always understood florida to be a firmly red state due to anti-communist cubans there.

I would guess that Clinton took Florida twice which would mean that Florida has voted for the winner* in the presidential going back to Nixon's second win.

*2000 goes either way.

longhornfan1234
12-17-2014, 01:54 PM
Obama finally doing something right. :bowdown: :bowdown:

KevinNYC
12-17-2014, 01:58 PM
I would guess that Clinton took Florida twice which would mean that Florida has voted for the winner* in the presidential going back to Nixon's second win.

*2000 goes either way.


Just checked Clinton lost Florida in 1992.

DonDadda59
12-17-2014, 02:03 PM
Does this mean I can finally get my hands on some real montecristos?

Nowitness
12-17-2014, 02:10 PM
So many Communists murdered by America for what? Seeing as they now want to befriend these corrupt Nations.

rufuspaul
12-17-2014, 03:40 PM
Can't wait to take a Cuban beach vacation.


Same here. Could become the next Punta Cana.

Droid101
12-17-2014, 03:47 PM
Obama finally doing something right. :bowdown: :bowdown:
:eek:

Akrazotile
12-17-2014, 04:00 PM
Washington (CNN) -- U.S. contractor Alan Gross, held by the Cuban government since 2009, was freed Wednesday as part of a landmark deal with Cuba that paves the way for a major overhaul in U.S. policy toward the island, senior administration officials tell CNN.
President Barack Obama is expected to announce Gross' release at noon in Washington. At around the same time, Cuban president Raul Castro will speak about it in Havana.
Gross' "humanitarian" release by Cuba was accompanied by a separate spy swap, the officials said. Cuba also freed a U.S. intelligence source who has been jailed in Cuba for more than 20 years, although authorities did not identify that person for security reasons. The U.S. released three Cuban intelligence agents convicted of espionage in 2001.
President Obama is also set to announce a major loosening of travel and economic restrictions and begin discussions on re-opening the U.S. embassy there in what officials called the most sweeping change in U.S. policy toward Cuba since 1961, when the embassy closed and the embargo was imposed.
Officials described the planned actions as the most forceful changes the president could make without legislation passing through Congress.
Cuban agents to be 'treated as heroes' Before release, Gross told wife 'goodbye'

For a President who took office promising to engage Cuba, the move could help shape Obama's foreign policy legacy.
"We are charting a new course toward Cuba," a senior administration official said. "The President understood the time was right to attempt a new approach, both because of the beginnings of changes in Cuba and because of the impediment this was causing for our regional policy."

Gross was arrested after traveling under a program under the U.S. Agency for International Development to deliver satellite phones and other communications equipment to the island's small Jewish population.

Cuban officials charged he was trying to foment a "Cuban Spring." In 2011, he was convicted and sentenced to 15 years in prison for attempting to set up an Internet network for Cuban dissidents "to promote destabilizing activities and subvert constitutional order."
After losing hope and health in Cuba, Gross finally released

Senior administration officials and Cuba observers have said recent reforms on the island and changing attitudes in the United States have created an opening for improved relations. U.S. and Cuban officials say Washington and Havana in recent months have increased official technical-level contacts on a variety of issues.
Obama publicly acknowledged for the first time last week that Washington was negotiating with Havana for Gross' release through a "variety of channels."
"We've been in conversations about how we can get Alan Gross home for quite some time," Obama said in an interview with Fusion television network. "We continue to be concerned about him."
Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., and Rep. Chris Van Hollen, Gross' Maryland congressman, are on the plane with Alan Gross and his wife, Judy, according to government officials.
The group of members left at 4 a.m. ET Wednesday from Washington for Cuba.



Dat international influence :eek: :bowdown:


Aint just lobbied to get the homie out, but got a 60 year international foreign policy reversed :eek: :bowdown:

BasedTom
12-17-2014, 04:09 PM
It's funny how most of the reactions in this thread are "MUH CIGARS!" or "woo, now i can go on holiday there"

Typical modern American attitude- thinking of the world as its theme park. All that fanfare about liberty and freedom is just that.

rezznor
12-17-2014, 04:22 PM
It's funny how most of the reactions in this thread are "MUH CIGARS!" or "woo, now i can go on holiday there"

Typical modern American attitude- thinking of the world as its theme park. All that fanfare about liberty and freedom is just that.
you realize that american tourism and commerce in Cuba will help lift up Cubans right?

KevinNYC
12-17-2014, 04:24 PM
So many Communists murdered by America for what? Seeing as they now want to befriend these corrupt Nations.


Your avatar is hilarious as the Pope helped broker this deal.

kwajo
12-17-2014, 04:24 PM
Same here. Could become the next Punta Cana.
It's pretty nice, we Canadians have been vacationing there for decades, partially because it's a great destination to get away form American tourists.

rufuspaul
12-17-2014, 05:20 PM
It's pretty nice, we Canadians have been vacationing there for decades, partially because it's a great destination to get away form American tourists.


Ha! Last time I was in the DR I met some Canadians who told me the same thing. Maybe I can get in there before the rush. :oldlol:

Patrick Chewing
12-17-2014, 05:49 PM
It's funny how most of the reactions in this thread are "MUH CIGARS!" or "woo, now i can go on holiday there"

Typical modern American attitude- thinking of the world as its theme park. All that fanfare about liberty and freedom is just that.


The United States didn't put Cuba into the predicament they've been in for the last 50 years.

Godzuki
12-17-2014, 06:04 PM
Cuba is about to get American industrialized. seems like they're opening their arms to it too.

i'd give it a good couple years before visting tho.

rezznor
12-17-2014, 06:07 PM
Cuba is about to get American industrialized. seems like they're opening their arms to it too.

i'd give it a good couple years before visting tho.
the rest of the world have been visiting cuba safely for years now. americans could actually do it too, but they would have to fly to another country first

Godzuki
12-17-2014, 06:08 PM
the rest of the world have been visiting cuba safely for years now. americans could actually do it too, but they would have to fly to another country first


i was under the impression Cuba was pretty dangerous these days? :confusedshrug:

maybe i'm thinking of somewhere else...

Loneshot
12-17-2014, 06:09 PM
It's funny how most of the reactions in this thread are "MUH CIGARS!" or "woo, now i can go on holiday there"

Typical modern American attitude- thinking of the world as its theme park. All that fanfare about liberty and freedom is just that.

They fail to realize the US government has spent the last 60 years (at least) limiting and destroying Americans education only to now began to open the flood gates for the smarter immigrants to come in. Ouch.

Qwyjibo
12-17-2014, 06:17 PM
i was under the impression Cuba was pretty dangerous these days? :confusedshrug:

maybe i'm thinking of somewhere else...
If you stay in the resorts, it's incredibly safe (like most other places). The security everywhere is more to keep tabs on the Cuban workers and keep them in line. If you leave the resort, it's not dangerous but keep a close eye on your stuff. Just a ton of poverty everywhere.

rezznor
12-17-2014, 08:06 PM
i was under the impression Cuba was pretty dangerous these days? :confusedshrug:

maybe i'm thinking of somewhere else...

Overall Crime and Safety Situation

Because Cuba is a police-state, there is a large police presence that provides security in the streets. The United States does not have full diplomatic relations with Cuba, but Cuba welcomes American travelers and Americans are generally well received. Although official crime statistics are not published, evidence suggests that crime is increasing while police response remains substandard.

Most crime can be characterized as non-confrontational (i.e. pick-pocketing, purse-snatching, fraud schemes, and theft of unoccupied cars and/or dwellings). Unfortunately, American travelers are perceived to be wealthy and are many times the target of these types of crimes. While most tourist hotels are relatively safe in Havana, pick-pockets, prostitutes, and other criminals tend to congregate around these hotels, and Americans should take basic precautions to avoid being the target of these criminals. While violent crime is not common, there were a few violent crimes involving American citizens in 2012, including an American citizen who was stabbed to death in an apparent act of vengeance.

Cuba has a commercial sex trade, and visitors should understand that their private activity may be monitored by Cuban authorities and could potentially be used to compromise them. Visitors should also be aware that although the age of consent in Cuba is 16, sexual activity with anyone under the age of 18 could be a violation of U.S. law and subject to prosecution in the United States.


safer then chicago

step_back
12-17-2014, 08:27 PM
I expect a boom in cigar sales.

Smoke up :pimp:

Lakers Legend#32
12-17-2014, 09:38 PM
Bravo Obama! Great decision and he is making the Republicans heads explode. GOP can't do anything to stop the prez about this.
Viva Cuba!

9erempiree
12-17-2014, 09:42 PM
It' about damn time. This will probably mean we can finally get some Cuban cigars imported to us.

:pimp:

rezznor
12-17-2014, 09:43 PM
Bravo Obama! Great decision and he is making the Republicans heads explode. GOP can't do anything to stop the prez about this.
Viva Cuba!
http://blog.chron.com/nickanderson/files/2014/12/and121814web-600x451.jpg

senelcoolidge
12-18-2014, 11:35 PM
You know Cuba and other leftist governments in Latin America are laughing at the United States. Obama is a joke, seriously. What a piece of sh#t. This might actually give more life to the communist government of Cuba that was dying a very very very very slow death.

BurningHammer
12-18-2014, 11:44 PM
Incoming Great Cuban Baseball Influx.

DonDadda59
12-18-2014, 11:48 PM
You know Cuba and other leftist governments in Latin America are laughing at the United States. Obama is a joke, seriously. What a piece of sh#t. This might actually give more life to the communist government of Cuba that was dying a very very very very slow death.

Uh... so what?

The only reason the U.S. government used to give a shit about Communist expansion was due to the fact its greatest rival the USSR was in the driver's seat of that movement. Don't know if you've heard, but the USSR doesn't exist anymore and the U.S. is deep in business entanglements with the biggest Communist state in the World, China.

This was long overdue.

DCL
12-18-2014, 11:55 PM
this was bound to happen, but this is sort of a big shift.

remember, the world used to treat cuba like how we treat north korea now.

tensions obviously died off over several decades but go back to the 60s, cuba was living rent-free in american newspapers. commie this, commie that.

as for travel, it's not a big deal though. americans have been "secretly" traveling to cuba for years. it's not even a difficult process. just head to cancun mexico,, buy a ticket, go to the airport, and then they will give you the visa at the spot. and they will stamp on another piece of paper instead of the passport.

KevinNYC
12-19-2014, 02:31 AM
cuba was living rent-free in american newspapers. commie this, commie that.
Actually Cubans were paying a giant price for that.

Akrazotile
12-19-2014, 03:28 AM
Uh... so what?

The only reason the U.S. government used to give a shit about Communist expansion was due to the fact its greatest rival the USSR was in the driver's seat of that movement. Don't know if you've heard, but the USSR doesn't exist anymore and the U.S. is deep in business entanglements with the biggest Communist state in the World, China.

This was long overdue.


This.

Nobody gives a shit what goes on in Cuba anymore. I mean maybe some Cubans do but the US and A has no reason to care.

Its pretty sad there will inevitably be partisan hacks in Congress putting on a phony demonstration over this just as an excuse to get some attention for opposing the president.

STATUTORY
12-19-2014, 03:35 AM
find a way to visit cuba soon before it becomes another cookie cutter latin american island nation without its anachronistic 50s soviet era tech charms

Mr. Jabbar
12-19-2014, 03:35 AM
china is not communist, use the eye test

MavsSuperFan
12-19-2014, 03:37 AM
Great job by obama.

The only people against this are people that hate obama no matter what, Old cuban exiles and people who want to pander to the cuban vote (florida is important as a swing state and cubans are concentrated there)

Old cubans are just being irrational/emotional.

DCL
12-19-2014, 05:56 AM
Actually Cubans were paying a giant price for that.


it's funny you bother to correct any hyperbolic statements as if they were to be taken literally.

and the statement that cuba had to pay a giant price for conflicting US's interests? thank you for that enlightenment.

DCL
12-19-2014, 06:11 AM
find a way to visit cuba soon before it becomes another cookie cutter latin american island nation without its anachronistic 50s soviet era tech charms

that will surely happen once foreign banking is opened and they get all sorts of financing.

but things have already changed rapidly in just the past few years. the first time i was in havana was in 2008 and it was still kinda "pure." but i went there again last year and heavy tourism had already invaded. lots of retired folks from europe, canada, and the US love it there because they're familiar with the history, curious with their developments, and nostalgic for what cuba still presents. there were also a bunch of fancy hotels being constructed. these days, you can get by easily in havana without even knowing any spanish.

dunksby
12-19-2014, 06:24 AM
i was under the impression Cuba was pretty dangerous these days? :confusedshrug:

maybe i'm thinking of somewhere else...
Venezuela.

senelcoolidge
12-19-2014, 08:53 AM
It's kind of a spit in the face of the people that died fighting for freedom there. You know that Castro will just open his prisons again and there will be a be a large migration of Cubans to America.

Take Your Lumps
12-19-2014, 10:47 AM
You know Cuba and other leftist governments in Latin America are laughing at the United States. Obama is a joke, seriously. What a piece of sh#t. This might actually give more life to the communist government of Cuba that was dying a very very very very slow death.

Give that AM radio a rest. :rolleyes:

highwhey
12-19-2014, 03:34 PM
Great job by obama.

The only people against this are people that hate obama no matter what, Old cuban exiles and people who want to pander to the cuban vote (florida is important as a swing state and cubans are concentrated there)

Old cubans are just being irrational/emotional.
Old cubans are very salty. I've spoken to a couple in person, they harbor bad feelings towards the US because of the trade sanctions that were imposed left their people starving. One fella i spoke to recently, mentioned how cooking oil was especially scarce among other food items, but the USSR came to save the day by sending ships full of these supplies.

Patrick Chewing
12-19-2014, 03:38 PM
This only helps the Communist Cuban Government, not the people. Anyone who thinks this will actually help Cubans is an idiot.

the wise man
12-21-2014, 04:48 PM
I am not against this but I wonder if some people here would have reacted the same way if the government lifted the embargo against a right wing dictatorship.

KevinNYC
12-22-2014, 02:12 AM
This only helps the Communist Cuban Government, not the people. Anyone who thinks this will actually help Cubans is an idiot.

How so?

Rock and Roll and blue jeans were among the things that undermined the Soviet Union. You don't think American cousins returning home with iphones and DVDs are going to have an effect?

The embargo was in place for 50 years can you say it worked? Can you say it didn't hurt the people?

senelcoolidge
12-22-2014, 11:09 AM
This is going to benefit Castro and that government, not the people. So it's a FAIL. Unless Obama plans to invade and finally topple that government. But he's not, he's a leftist.

KevinNYC
12-22-2014, 03:09 PM
So it's a FAIL.
How would describe the previous 50 years of policy?


Unless Obama plans to invade and finally topple that government. But he's not, he's a leftist.

The last president that planned to invade Cuba was Eisenhower. The plans were executed under Kennedy. It didn't topple the government.

Neither did anything Johnson did or Nixon did or Ford did or Carter did or Reagan did or H.W. Bush did or Clinton did or W. Bush did or Obama did.

KevinNYC
12-22-2014, 03:12 PM
Even among Cuban-Americans it's only the older ones that support this policy.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/6qf6lc/picture4705965/alternates/FREE_960/proof%20poll-09.jpg

GimmeThat
12-22-2014, 03:31 PM
Thats like saying we were in before the next change in leadership.
How well will that play off, is all just a matter of how americans are indirectly percieved.

It all sounds too cliche

But even a long standing castro government wouldnt hurt us, because we are recognizing them

As for disagreeing with their actions. their international policy, whether open or closed will not be simply decided by the united states.




To ally with one, while they are strong yet with no intention of its wealth and resource. Is the best way to keep the phone line open.

KevinNYC
01-12-2015, 12:17 PM
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2015/01/12/cuba-completes-release-political-prisoners/cKa3qxVkP1Y8hYL1uJpPQI/story.html


[QUOTE]Cuba has completed the release of 53 political prisoners that was part of last month

Patrick Chewing
01-12-2015, 03:37 PM
How so?

Rock and Roll and blue jeans were among the things that undermined the Soviet Union. You don't think American cousins returning home with iphones and DVDs are going to have an effect?

The embargo was in place for 50 years can you say it worked? Can you say it didn't hurt the people?


My grandfather served in the Army under Fulgencio Batista. After the Revolution, those that were still loyal or did not agree with the Revolution were either imprisoned or executed. My grandfather saw first hand that Cuba was replacing one tyrant for another. So he moved his family to Chicago in 1959.

The embargo was put in place to hurt the Castro regime, not its people. It's the people of Cuba and the failures of the American Government to follow through with ousting Castro that has kept Cuba the way it is. Before the embargo, Castro took from the people. After the embargo, so long as a Castro or any Socialist dictator is in power, they will continue taking from the people. If you honestly expect any real change, I'm afraid you will see very little of it.

BRabbiT
04-10-2015, 04:00 AM
http://media.thedenverchannel.com/photo/2014/12/17/16x9/Obama__US_to_normalize_relations_with_Cu_237548000 0_11338734_ver1.0_640_480.jpg

[QUOTE]
US & Cuba hold highest-level meeting in over 50 years (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/world/americas/obama-jamaica-caribbean.html?_r=0)

President Obama is nearing a decision on removing Cuba

dunksby
04-10-2015, 01:24 PM
Obama stays winning :eek:


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BRabbiT
04-14-2015, 04:03 PM
The US removed Cuba (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-removes-cuba-from-state-sponsors-of-terror-list/) from the State Department's list of state sponsors of terrorism, the White House announced.

President Obama submitted a statement to Congress that read, "I hereby certify, with respect to the rescission of the determination of March 1, 1982, regarding Cuba that: (i) the Government of Cuba has not provided any support for international terrorism during the preceding 6-month period; and (ii) the Government of Cuba has provided assurances that it will not support acts of international terrorism in the future."

Cuba was 1 of 4 countries on the US list of nations accused of repeatedly supporting global terrorism. Iran, Syria & Sudan are still on the list.



good to see. Cuban people are suffering & deserve better.

NumberSix
04-14-2015, 06:14 PM
good to see. Cuban people are suffering & deserve better.
And that has what to do with this?

BRabbiT
04-14-2015, 06:18 PM
....?



a lot.

but that's another conversation altogether.

Dresta
04-15-2015, 05:12 AM
And where are Turkey and Saudi Arabia (the sponsors and creators of IS) on this list of terrorist supporting nations? This country is such a hypocritical joke :facepalm


How so?

Rock and Roll and blue jeans were among the things that undermined the Soviet Union. You don't think American cousins returning home with iphones and DVDs are going to have an effect?

The embargo was in place for 50 years can you say it worked? Can you say it didn't hurt the people?
:roll:

This fool cannot be serious. There are two things that undermined the Soviet Union: misallocation of resources on a mass-scale (i.e. the sheer waste of any socialist experiment), and Gorbachev. lol @ thinking it had something to do with blue jeans and R&R - that stuff was utterly tangential and unimportant. If it wasn't Gorbachev and rather one of the hardliners in the Kremlin that took power they would have held the place together for longer, and it would not have fallen peacefully (nor relinquished its territories). It required the collaboration of both sides to end the Cold War, and the American need to play it off as some grand victory, with Russia as a defeated enemy (rather than a partner in the dismantling of Communism and the USSR - remember, Russia is a country, the Soviet Union was always an idea - the Russians were oppressed by Communism as much as anyone), actually is at the bottom of the inability of American diplomats to understand Russians at all. I've never seen an administration so utterly ignorant of Russian heritage and history (Kissinger even looks like a genius when compared with these clowns).

Jeans smh, i swear, the propaganda American children are brought up on: "hey kids, did you know Rock n' Roll and blue jeans helped us win the Cold War!!"


:facepalm