Top 5 Point Guards 2014/2015

[ArbitraryWater]

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Mine would go:

1: Russell Westbrook
2: Steph Curry
3: Chris Paul
4: Damian Lillard
5: John Wall

[nathanjizzle]

steph curry
chris paul
john wall
lillard
rose

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Curry
Paul
Westbrook
Lillard
Wall

[scm5]

1. Curry
2. Westbrook
3. Paul
4. Conley
5. Irving

[Budadiiii]

Westbrook

*GAP*

Curry
Paul
Irving

*GAP*

Wall/Lillard/Conley/Lowry/Parker/Rondo

[ralph_i_el]

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Mine would go:

1: Russell Westbrook
2: Steph Curry
3: Chris Paul
4: Damian Lillard
5: John Wall


Oh Isiah Thomas is saying stupid shit again? What a surprise.

How does this idiotic closet racist keep getting jobs?

Russ
CP3
Wall
Curry

^Must be in your top 5 right now or your opinion is moot. Lillard/Rose/Lowry/parker/Irving can be in that 5th spot.

[The JKidd Kid]

What is Isaiah Thomas smoking? Tony Parker is putting up 16 and 5 on a 7th seed team where he arguably isnt even the best player.

1. Westbrook
2. Curry
3. Paul
4. Wall
5. Lowry/Lillard

[Budadiiii]

Those are predictions from Isiah and Anthony before the season, correct? Has to be.

And why the **** does Rose keep popping up on peoples list? Might as well put Deron on there while you're at it, retards.

[Jlamb47]

1. Russell Westbrook
2. Stephen Curry
3. Chris Paul
4. Damian Lillard/ John Wall / Kyrie Irving <- too hard to choose between these 3 for me/ i flip flop with these guys

Tony Parker when healthy is top 5 for sure IMO but this year its hard to tell where i would locate him

Kyle Lowry HM i would say hes been playing just as good as eveyrone on my 4th list

[Smook A.]

Isiah Thomas is an idiot

For me it goes...
1. Russell Westbrook
2. Stephen Curry
3. Chris Paul
4. John Wall
5. Damian Lillard

[Graviton]

I still think come playoff time Westbrook and Paul will once again be a level above the rest due to their impact, both of them are multi-dimensional stars.

[T_L_P]

What is Isaiah Thomas smoking? Tony Parker is putting up 16 and 5 on a 7th seed team where he arguably isnt even the best player.

1. Westbrook
2. Curry
3. Paul
4. Wall
5. Lowry/Lillard

He's clearly not (Duncan and Kawhi are far better, and I think Green and CoJo are too).

He's not even played enough games to be top PG..

[Nashty]

1. Curry
2. Westbrook
3. Paul
4. Lowry
5. Wall

[ArbitraryWater]

Isiah Thomas is a dumbass for this.. Just bringing up some of the bigger names, really.

And I assume this is new also, because NBA TV posted it on their Facebook today.

[Relinquish]

Anyone putting Irving, Lillard, Conley or Lowry ahead of Wall needs their head examined. :facepalm

The real list:

Westbrook
Curry
Paul
Wall
Lowry

[Top Gun]

Westbrook
Curry
Wall
Paul
Lowry

[WallIn]

Tony Parker 1st? LOL

[avonbarksdale]

westbrook
curry
paul
wall
lowry

[BurningHammer]

Greg Anthony's list is about right.

[Jef]

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[Spurs5Rings2014]

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:eek:

Westbreezy da gawd.

:bowdown:

[WallIn]

:eek:

Westbreezy da gawd.

:bowdown:

Look at sample sizes now.

[navy]

Westbrook is first, but it is unfair as he hasnt played the same amount of games. Curry's first eight game stats where unreal. lol at retards posting an 11 game per. :facepalm:

Westbrook
Curry
Cp3
Lowry/Wall

[Graviton]

Westbrook is first, but it is unfair as he hasnt played the same amount of games. Curry's first eight game stats where unreal. lol at retards posting an 11 game per. :facepalm:

Westbrook
Curry
Cp3
Lowry/Wall

Those stats are also against lot of crappy teams. People overreacting a little, Russ is a beast but I am waiting for some games vs playoff teams before going crazy.

[Young X]

Lowry has easily been a top 5 PG so far, he should be on every list.

[Alan Ogg]

Curry
CP3
Westbrook
Godzillard
Wall

[Victoire]

1) Parker
2) Paul
3) Westbrook
4) Conley
5) Curry

[masonanddixon]

Dragic is being severely underlooked here.

The dude has been straight beasting, about to have another 20 and 10 night today on 50%+ shooting and great defense.

[RedBlackAttack]

Dragic is being severely underlooked here.

The dude has been straight beasting, about to have another 20 and 10 night today on 50%+ shooting and great defense.
Dragic is a nice player and all, but if anything he's overhyped, at least on this site. He's averaging 4 assists and 2.3 turnovers in over 32 minutes a night. And, he is a good scorer, but 16 points on 13 shots a night isn't going to vault him into the Top 5.

[masonanddixon]

Goran's stats 2014-2015 so far through 24 games

49.7% FG on 13 shots a game, 84% from the line, 36.4% 3 pters, 3.4 rebs, 4 assists and 1 steal a game

[masonanddixon]

Dragic is a nice player and all, but if anything he's overhyped, at least on this site. He's averaging 4 assists and 2.3 turnovers in over 32 minutes a night. And, he is a good scorer, but 16 points on 13 shots a night isn't going to vault him into the Top 5.

How is leading a starting 5 of Miles Plumlee, Markeif Morris, PJ Tucker, and Channing Frye to 49 wins in the West overrated?

If anything, putting guys like John Wall and Lillard ahead of him is a serious offence.

[RedBlackAttack]

Goran's stats 2014-2015 so far through 24 games

49.7% FG on 13 shots a game, 84% from the line, 36.4% 3 pters, 3.4 rebs, 4 assists and 1 steal a game
...so, exactly what I said above then? And, not numbers for a Top 5 point guard.

Good player, though.

[masonanddixon]

...so, exactly what I said above then? And, not numbers for a Top 5 point guard.

Good player, though.

He has two ball dominant chuckers stealing touches away from him and yet he's still balling...

He's been absolutely superb in December and no one seems to be noticing.

[RedBlackAttack]

How does leading a starting 5 of Miles Plumlee, Markeif Morris, PJ Tucker, and Channing Frye to 49 wins in the West overrated?

If anything, putting guys like John Wall and Lillard ahead of him is a serious offence.
Leading? The only statistic Dragic leads on that Suns team is points, and that's just by 0.6 points over Bledsoe, who takes one less shot per game than him.

Bledsoe plays more minutes, has played more games, averages more assists, is a far better defender, better rebounder, etc.

I'm not ragging on Dragic, but he should probably worry about becoming clearly the best guard on his own team before being discussed for Top 5 in the league. J/S

We have a bafflingly large Dragic contingent on ISH. I'm guessing it is an international thing. You don't see people going out of their way to bring Bledsoe into these kinds of conversations despite his comparable numbers on the same team.

[dannywpt]

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The list on the right seems just about right.

[Milbuck]

If we're going by level and not factoring in sample size...

Westbrook
Curry
CP3
Wall
Lowry

Are my 5, in that order. CP3 hasn't been spectacular as of recently, but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt here. Lillard, Kyrie, and Conley are close. Curry probably deserves the distinction at #1 considering how he's leading his team and also the sample size behind it, but seriously, Westbrook is just insane right now. I don't think we should penalize him for going down...he was a monster before his hand injury w/o Durant, and he's picked up exactly where he left off. It's not even the comically dominant advanced stats or adjusted raw stats, he's visibly playing like the best player in the world. All the "not a pure PG", "shoots too much" narratives can't deny how ****ing good he is. His impact on the game is as high as anyone's, regardless of whether you like or dislike his style of play.

[tontoz]

The top 3 are clearly Curry, Westbrook, Paul in whatever order.

After that it gets tougher. I would go with Lillard at 4.

The 5th spot is really a tossup between Wall, Conley, Teague, and Lowry.

Very strong era for pgs.

[masonanddixon]

Leading? The only statistic Dragic leads on that Suns team is points, and that's just by 0.6 points over Bledsoe, who takes one less shot per game than him.

Bledsoe plays more minutes, has played more games, averages more assists, is a far better defender, better rebounder, etc.

I'm not ragging on Dragic, but he should probably worry about becoming clearly the best guard on his own team before being discussed for Top 5 in the league. J/S

We have a bafflingly large Dragic contingent on ISH. I'm guessing it is an international thing. You don't see people going out of their way to bring Bledsoe into these kinds of conversations despite his comparable numbers on the same team.

Not even close to a far better defender. Perhaps a marginally better defender, at best.

So Bledsoe plays more minutes, has the ball more, and yet scores less and has a whopping 0.8 more rebs per game (evidence of his superior rebounding ability) than a guy who started the season off injured?

It's clear Dragic is better because in the past two games without him Bledsoe was absolute trash. Thats why there's people who go out of their way to bring Dragic into topics. Oh and the fact he put up 50/40/90 might be a reason why people talk about Dragic. And making 3rd team all-NBA. No big deal though...

[RedBlackAttack]

He has two ball dominant chuckers stealing touches away from him and yet he's still balling...

He's been absolutely superb in December and no one seems to be noticing.
He's had a good December. There's no denying that. Bledsoe is also having a good month and he's played every game.

We're only halfway through though... let's see where things stand at the end of the month.

[tontoz]

The list on the right seems just about right.

Ever heard of a guy named Chris Paul?

[masonanddixon]

He's had a good December. There's no denying that. Bledsoe is also having a good month and he's played every game.

We're only halfway through though... let's see where things stand at the end of the month.

Bledsoe's last 2 games (no Dragic)-both losses

vs OKC 4-12 shooting, 1 rebound, 3 assists
vs Milwaukee 4-9 shooting, 4 rebs, 6 assists, 5 TOs

today vs Charlotte
5-15 shooting, 2 assists, 2 rebounds

Goran today, you ask?

8-17 shooting, 4 rebounds, 8 assists

The point is Bledsoe's PG instincts are for shit and are generally masked because he can play off Dragic who commands defensive attention. Without Dragic he struggles mightily, whereas Dragic is productive with whoever he is surrounded by.

[RedBlackAttack]

Not even close to a far better defender. Perhaps a marginally better defender, at best.

So Bledsoe plays more minutes, has the ball more, and yet scores less and has a whopping 0.8 more rebs per game (evidence of his superior rebounding ability) than a guy who started the season off injured?

It's clear Dragic is better because in the past two games without him Bledsoe was absolute trash. Thats why there's people who go out of their way to bring Dragic into topics. Oh and the fact he put up 50/40/90 might be a reason why people talk about Dragic. And making 3rd team all-NBA. No big deal though...
He takes less shots per game, though, which goes against the whole "chucker" theory. Dragic had an outstanding 2013-14. He wasn't a Top 5 point guard in the league, but he was really good.

We are in a new year and this thread is about the best PGs so far THIS SEASON. Dragic is not in that conversation right now.

[RedBlackAttack]

Bledsoe's last 2 games (no Dragic)

vs OKC 4-12 shooting, 1 rebound, 3 assists
vs Milwaukee 4-9 shooting, 4 rebs, 6 assists, 5 TOs

today vs Charlotte
5-15 shooting, 2 assists, 2 rebounds

Goran today, you ask?

8-17 shooting, 4 rebounds, 8 assists
...and Shelvin Mack totally outplayed LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love tonight. It has no bearing on this conversation.

[Milbuck]

He takes less shots per game, though, which goes against the whole "chucker" theory. Dragic had an outstanding 2013-14. He wasn't a Top 5 point guard in the league, but he was really good.

We are in a new year and this thread is about the best PGs so far THIS SEASON. Dragic is not in that conversation right now.
There's certainly an argument for it.

[masonanddixon]

He takes less shots per game, though, which goes against the whole "chucker" theory. Dragic had an outstanding 2013-14. He wasn't a Top 5 point guard in the league, but he was really good.

We are in a new year and this thread is about the best PGs so far THIS SEASON. Dragic is not in that conversation right now.

Name 5 better PGs last season. He dominated everyone except Westbrook, who matched him to a stalemate.

[RedBlackAttack]

There's certainly an argument for it.
He did have an argument last year. I wouldn't have put him there, but there was an argument for it. Not so far this year, though. He'd be tough to put in the Top 10 if the season ended today. That's not a knock on him... just a statement about how stacked the position is.


Off-topic: You're the first person I thought of when I heard the news about Parker last night. Absolutely brutal. Hang in there. :(

[masonanddixon]

Why not this season?

You really need to watch some Suns games. It's infuriating watching the way they are coached. The GM has a hardon for Bledsoe for whatever reason and insists he runs the point even when Goran has the hot hand. I have never seen a team in which one guy is so clearly the better floor general and is yet made to play off the ball for a guy with nonexistent PG ability.

[CHi1PriDe]

Westbrook
Wall
Curry
Cp3
Lillard/Lowry

[Budadiiii]

He did have an argument last year. I wouldn't have put him there, but there was an argument for it. Not so far this year, though. He'd be tough to put in the Top 10 if the season ended today. That's not a knock on him... just a statement about how stacked the position is.


Off-topic: You're the first person I thought of when I heard the news about Parker last night. Absolutely brutal. Hang in there. :(
Same here.

Pretty sure he's the only Bucks fan I've encountered in my life, ever.

[masonanddixon]

Same here.

Pretty sure he's the only Bucks fan I've encountered in my life, ever.

There was that saxophone player dude who was a Bucks fan too.

[dannywpt]

Ever heard of a guy named Chris Paul?

Yup, he's an overrated statpadding midget who's had a very "meh" season so far. Yet another 2nd round exit incoming. I'll take Wall and Lowry over him right now if I need a PG for my team tomorrow.

[RedBlackAttack]

Why not this season?

You really need to watch some Suns games. It's infuriating watching the way they are coached. The GM has a hardon for Bledsoe for whatever reason and insists he runs the point even when Goran has the hot hand. I have never seen a team in which one guy is so clearly the better floor general and is yet made to play off the ball for a guy with nonexistent PG ability.
I'll take your word for it.

But, the reason he's not in there so far this year is because the position is so, so stacked. He'd have to jump eight of CP3, Steph Curry, Russell Westbrook, Tony Parker, John Wall, Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard, Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley, Jeff Teague, Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose... and I'm sure that I'm missing some.

It is just a loaded position.

[masonanddixon]

I'll take your word for it.

But, the reason he's not in there so far this year is because the position is so, so stacked. He'd have to jump seven of CP3, Steph Curry, Russell Westbrook, Tony Parker, John Wall, Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard, Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley, Jeff Teague, Rajon Rondo... and I'm sure that I'm missing some.

It is just a loaded position.

Of those guys only CP3, Curry, Westbrook are definitely superior thus far (Westbrook has barely played though). All the rest are debatable and I would personally take Goran over them.

[Milbuck]

He did have an argument last year. I wouldn't have put him there, but there was an argument for it. Not so far this year, though. He'd be tough to put in the Top 10 if the season ended today. That's not a knock on him... just a statement about how stacked the position is.Agreed, that position is just way too stacked to make definite lists beyond the first 2-3 spots. It's really something else, having a position so collectively dominant that even in electric career years, guys might not even be in the top 5.

And agreed on this year. It's been an underwhelming follow up year, not getting into the specifics but he needs to get out of there to maximize his game, these are critical years in his career. Houston, Dallas, Indiana..wherever..but there are teams that would value his skill set so much more than Phoenix, and would have the means to put him back in that top 10 discussion.

Off-topic: You're the first person I thought of when I heard the news about Parker last night. Absolutely brutal. Hang in there. :(
Thanks dude. Yeah there was a shock period there, didn't quite hit me until later that he's gone for the season. I'm confident in his return though, he'll be getting the best treatment out there and he's a good kid that works hard. Rose said his injury took his training to another level, maybe this helps Jabari's long-term perspective in that respect.

[RedBlackAttack]

Of those guys only CP3, Curry, Westbrook are definitely superior thus far (Westbrook has barely played though). All the rest are debatable and I would personally take Goran over them.
At this point in the season, I don't see any argument over Parker, Wall, Irving, Lowry, Conley or Lillard. Right now, I'd put him in there with Teague and Rondo.

[navy]

Yup, he's an overrated statpadding midget who's had a very "meh" season so far. Yet another 2nd round exit incoming. I'll take Wall and Lowry over him right now if I need a PG for my team tomorrow.
So what your saying is the Clippers would make it out the second round if they had Lowry or John Wall?

[dubeta]

Top 7 PG's

Curry
Westbrook
CP3
Lowry
Wall
Rondo
Rose

[The Red Viper]

This season alone:-

1. Steph Curry.
2. Russell Westbrook.
3. Kyle Lowry.
4. John Wall.
5. Mike Conley.

Overall, in terms of ability, the likes of Chris Paul, Tony Parker and D-Rose would feature in that list.

[masonanddixon]

At this point in the season, I don't see any argument over Parker, Wall, Irving, Lowry, Conley or Lillard. Right now, I'd put him in there with Teague and Rondo.

Conley? Teague? Rondo?

[dannywpt]

So what your saying is the Clippers would make it out the second round if they had Lowry or John Wall?

I'm saying both Lowry and Wall have been better players at the PG position this season so far.