real franchise players past decade until now

[pastis]

1st tier: Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Shaq, Kobe, Durant

2nd tier: Garnett, Wade, Pau, nash, Pierce

players who have to prove it:

LMA, AD, DMC, Melo, westbrook

[SouBeachTalents]

What season do these rankings start? 2003-04? 2004-05? 2005-06?

[pastis]

What season do these rankings start? 2003-04? 2004-05? 2005-06?

2003-2004, due to shaq a little earlier

[SouBeachTalents]

1st tier: Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Shaq, Kobe, Durant

2nd tier: Garnett, Wade, Pau, nash, Pierce

players who have to prove it:

LMA, AD, DMC, Melo, westbrook

I think Dirk is on the same tier as KG, maybe Wade too. Where would you have Dwight & CP3?

[pastis]

I think Dirk is on the same tier as KG, maybe Wade too. Where would you have Dwight & CP3?

Cp3 is not a fanchise player for me. Dwight well, cant really putting him a tier, he carried his team just one time in 2009 to the finals. in the east. for me not that dominant, not the clutch player, the offensive weaopon you need for a title run every year

Dirk is for me clearly first tier, especially considering playoffs

[Jlamb47]

1st tier: Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Shaq, Kobe, Durant

2nd tier: Garnett, Wade, Pau, nash, Pierce

players who have to prove it:

LMA, AD, DMC, Melo, westbrook

1st tier: Duncan, Dirk, Garnett, Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, Durant, Wade,

IDK how you have Garnett on the 2nd tier, he should be int he 1st along with Wade.

[Young X]

Why do you have Dirk and Durant as 1st tier but not KG or Wade? Both of them are easily franchise players.

[Dengness9]

Love or hate the guy, Rose has been a franchise player In this "decade".


The fact that now we don't know if he is, what does it say that the Bulls true championship hopes hinge on him more than anything else in Chicago?

[rule1223]

wade is much better than the players you grouped him in, maybe not garnett as much, but he is alot better than nash, pau and pierce

[Dengness9]

All the have to prove it guys don't have to prove shit. Except for maybe Melo at this current point in time.

All the others are shoe in franchise players.

[Akhenaten]

What are the qualifications/criteria?

[MastaKilla]

In what world is Pau a franchise player?

0 all nba first teams. 0 all nba defensive selections. 3x all star.

[Real14]

Agenda thread. Melo is not below 2nd tier. Shaq is not 1st tier. Durant is not that much better than melo. Durant had better teammates than Melo, Wade had asterisks and better teammates than melo and Lebron had the most stacked teammates of all time which Melo never had.

[Real14]

In what world is Pau a franchise player?

0 all nba first teams. 0 all nba defensive selections. 3x all star.
Pau better than Melo:oldlol:

[Dengness9]

Agenda thread. Melo is not below 2nd tier. Shaq is not 1st tier. Durant is not that much better than melo. Durant had better teammates than Melo, Wade had asterisks and better teammates than melo and Lebron had the most stacked teammates of all time which Melo never had.

Shaq not 1st tier:eek:


:no:

3 FMVP
1 MVP
4 chips
15x AS
2 scoring titles
8 time first team


I could go on and on

[Real14]

Shaq not 1st tier:eek:


:no:

3 FMVP
1 MVP
4 chips
15x AS
2 scoring titles
8 time first team


I could go on and on

He said since 04 tho.

[Smook A.]

He said since 04 tho.
Shaq was the best center in the league up until the 06-07 season :confusedshrug:

[pastis]

Why do you have Dirk and Durant as 1st tier but not KG or Wade? Both of them are easily franchise players.

Dirk is 12 all-nba team, MVP, FMVP, with legendary playoff run, making 10.2 ppg 4th quarter in the playoffs on 51/53/94, while not having any all-star or all-nba player as a m8t.
Saying that, to reach 12 all-nba teams as a forward is way more difficult than to reach the all-nba team as a guard.
dirk fights and foughts for the all-nba team with prime duncan, garnett, lebron, durant, in other words players who are all in the top 20 all time. not mentionning griffin, melo, lma etc. pp, while for the guard spot, at least until 2-3 years ago, it was only between cp3, kobe and wade. so you could argue that kobe, cp3 and wade had a lock for the all-nba team selection, especially beause e.g. kidd had his last all-nba selection in 2004. now with the rising of westbrook and harden its a little bit different, but still, its harder to reach the Forward spot than the guard spot.

[kenny817]

I think Dirk is on the same tier as KG, maybe Wade too. Where would you have Dwight & CP3?

And I think you're a dumbass

[SouBeachTalents]

And I think you're a dumbass

And you are a badass hurling insults behind your computer

[The JKidd Kid]

Wade and KG>>>>>>>>>>> Dirk and Durant

[pastis]

Wade and KG>>>>>>>>>>> Dirk and Durant

the most important thing is, that you believe on that my little boy:lol :lol :oldlol: :oldlol: :lol :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Real14]

Wade and KG>>>>>>>>>>> Dirk and Durant
:lol

[The JKidd Kid]

the most important thing is, that you believe on that my little boy:lol :lol :oldlol: :oldlol: :lol :oldlol: :oldlol:

One of us clearly has a bias that is clouding their judgement lol and Ill give you a hint. Its the guy with one of those players in his profile picture.

[La Frescobaldi]

Shaq was the best center in the league up until the 06-07 season :confusedshrug:
but never again the franchise player on his team after he left LA

[dubeta]

1st LeBron





2nd Duncan, Shaq, Kg



3rd Pau Gasol, Russell Westbrook, Dirk


4th Wade, Melo

[CelticBaller]

How is KG not 1st tier if dirk is? how is Pau in the same tier as KG?

what the **** is wrong with you?

[CelticBaller]

And I think you're a dumbass
how is he wrong?

What is the argument against Wade?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Why do you have Dirk and Durant as 1st tier but not KG or Wade? Both of them are easily franchise players.
Seriously ...

Wade was taking the Heat to the playoffs, upsetting teams, and challenging much superior teams his first year in the league.

His 2nd year in the league, if it wasn't for injury, he was sodomizing the defending champions and one of the best defenses in the league.

He has 3 rings. Dirk has UNO. And Dirk's MVP season is inferior to Wade's best season, 2009 from an individual, and statistical stand point.

:oldlol:

Hell, Wade's 2007 season before his shoulder injury he was EASILY the better basketball player compared to Dirk. True MVP quality. Plus, didn't Dwyane TORCH Dirk's team in the 2006 Finals as well?

:rolleyes:

Hell, Dirk should be on Pierce's level as 2nd tier.

1st tier:
LeBron, Duncan, KG, Kobe, Wade, Durant

2nd tier:
Dirk, Pierce, Carter, Nash, Melo, D. Rose

3rd tier:
Westbrook, Gasol, Amare, Kyrie, Bosh, Harden, etc.

[SugarHill]

How is KG not 1st tier if dirk is? how is Pau in the same tier as KG?

what the **** is wrong with you?
Honestly.

[Smoke117]

Seriously ...

Wade was taking the Heat to the playoffs, upsetting teams, and challenging much superior teams his first year in the league.

His 2nd year in the league, if it wasn't for injury, he was sodomizing the defending champions and one of the best defenses in the league.

He has 3 rings. Dirk has UNO. And Dirk's MVP season is inferior to Wade's best season, 2009 from an individual, and statistical stand point.

:oldlol:

Hell, Wade's 2007 season before his shoulder injury he was EASILY the better basketball player compared to Dirk. True MVP quality. Plus, didn't Dwyane TORCH Dirk's team in the 2006 Finals as well?

:rolleyes:

Hell, Dirk should be on Pierce's level as 2nd tier.

1st tier:
LeBron, Duncan, KG, Kobe, Wade, Durant

2nd tier:
Dirk, Pierce, Carter, Nash, Melo, D. Rose, D.Howard

3rd tier:
Westbrook, Gasol, Amare, Kyrie, Bosh, Harden, etc.

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-23187-Dwayne-The-Rock-Johnson-Clappi-UqCk.gif Edit: Milbuck is right for once in his life. No Howard on any tier is ridiculous. He's around 2nd tier. Also...Derrick Rose on 2nd tier is pretty hilarious. Were talking about over the last 10 years...you cant' throw him into 2nd tier for practically one season. I might have to remove this clap gif...

[Milbuck]

Seeing KG and Wade in the same tier as Pau makes me nauseous. The disrespect Wade gets is reaching ridiculous levels. We always talk about how longevity gets overrated, and that peak/prime play and hardware/accomplishments matter a ton...but apparently this logic doesn't apply when judging Wade, for whatever reason.

Where is Dwight? Orlando Dwight as a franchise player shits on Pau, 2009-2011 Dwight is underrated as ****.

CP3 too, dude at his best is better than all the guys in tier 2 but Wade and KG (who should be in tier 1), and while he gets shit on for his teams' lack of playoff success, has historically been a good playoff performer.

Westbrook right now is better than Pau ever was, and his accomplishments to this point blow anything Pau did by age 26 out of the water. If we're giving Durant at 26 the nod at tier 1 over Wade and KG...Westbrook absolutely deserves to at least be in the same tier as Pau, Nash, Pierce.

And there has to be a 3rd tier. Too many guys to list out in total, but there are a lot of clear franchise players that deserve mentions.

[pastis]

wade on the same tier as dirk? what did you all smoke?
ive put garnett in the second tier, due to second banana, missing 3 times playoffs in his primes.

Dirk sencond tier?

Dirk is 12 all-nba team (4x first, 5x second, 3x thrid), MVP, FMVP, with legendary playoff run, making 10.2 ppg 4th quarter in the playoffs on 51/53/94, while not having any all-star or all-nba player as a m8t.
Saying that, to reach 12 all-nba teams as a forward is way more difficult than to reach the all-nba team as a guard.
dirk fights and foughts for the all-nba team with prime duncan, garnett, lebron, durant, in other words players who are all in the top 20 all time. not mentionning griffin, melo, lma etc. pp, while for the guard spot, at least until 2-3 years ago, it was only between cp3, kobe and wade. so you could argue that kobe, cp3 and wade had a lock for the all-nba team selection, especially beause e.g. kidd had his last all-nba selection in 2004. now with the rising of westbrook and harden its a little bit different, but still, its harder to reach the Forward spot than the guard spot.

saying that: he led the league 2x in PER, 3x in Winshares, 2x in Winshares per 48 minutes. in his prime putting up 25 plus points, 9-10 reb, super clutch, carried his franchise to 11 consecutive playoff appearances in the wild west.

Further more: dirk is just a leader, he is a leader who makes his teamm8s way better, when being on the floor. the floor spacing he creates when on the field and the attention he gets by enemies defense is ridiculous. his defense is way better than people claim.
to compare wade with dirk is so....:facepalm . best MVP voting was 3rd place, once in his career.

wade is a fashion victim second banana clown. east stat padding career loser.

[AussieG]

I like Pau Gasol but he is nowhere even close to a franchise player. Garnett when he was on the TWolves.. that's a franchise player.

[SugarHill]

wade on the same tier as dirk? what did you all smoke?
ive put garnett in the second tier, due to second banana, missing 3 times playoffs in his primes.

Dirk sencond tier?

Dirk is 12 all-nba team (4x first, 5x second, 3x thrid), MVP, FMVP, with legendary playoff run, making 10.2 ppg 4th quarter in the playoffs on 51/53/94, while not having any all-star or all-nba player as a m8t.
Saying that, to reach 12 all-nba teams as a forward is way more difficult than to reach the all-nba team as a guard.
dirk fights and foughts for the all-nba team with prime duncan, garnett, lebron, durant, in other words players who are all in the top 20 all time. not mentionning griffin, melo, lma etc. pp, while for the guard spot, at least until 2-3 years ago, it was only between cp3, kobe and wade. so you could argue that kobe, cp3 and wade had a lock for the all-nba team selection, especially beause e.g. kidd had his last all-nba selection in 2004. now with the rising of westbrook and harden its a little bit different, but still, its harder to reach the Forward spot than the guard spot.

saying that: he led the league 2x in PER, 3x in Winshares, 2x in Winshares per 48 minutes. in his prime putting up 25 plus points, 9-10 reb, super clutch, carried his franchise to 11 consecutive playoff appearances in the wild west.

Further more: dirk is just a leader, he is a leader who makes his teamm8s way better, when being on the floor. the floor spacing he creates when on the field and the attention he gets by enemies defense is ridiculous. his defense is way better than people claim.
to compare wade with dirk is so....:facepalm . best MVP voting was 3rd place, once in his career.

wade is a fashin victim second banana clown. east stat padding career loser.

The career loser has 2 more rings than the guy you're blowing :bowdown:

[pastis]

The career loser has 2 more rings than the guy you're blowing :bowdown:

wow...easy running in the east until maybe, just maybe the ECF...and being with bosh and lebron james on the team...
HAHAHAHHA:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol :lol :lol :oldlol:

[BasedTom]

wade on the same tier as dirk? what did you all smoke?
ive put garnett in the second tier, due to second banana, missing 3 times playoffs in his primes.

Dirk sencond tier?

Dirk is 12 all-nba team (4x first, 5x second, 3x thrid), MVP, FMVP, with legendary playoff run, making 10.2 ppg 4th quarter in the playoffs on 51/53/94, while not having any all-star or all-nba player as a m8t.
Saying that, to reach 12 all-nba teams as a forward is way more difficult than to reach the all-nba team as a guard.
dirk fights and foughts for the all-nba team with prime duncan, garnett, lebron, durant, in other words players who are all in the top 20 all time. not mentionning griffin, melo, lma etc. pp, while for the guard spot, at least until 2-3 years ago, it was only between cp3, kobe and wade. so you could argue that kobe, cp3 and wade had a lock for the all-nba team selection, especially beause e.g. kidd had his last all-nba selection in 2004. now with the rising of westbrook and harden its a little bit different, but still, its harder to reach the Forward spot than the guard spot.

saying that: he led the league 2x in PER, 3x in Winshares, 2x in Winshares per 48 minutes. in his prime putting up 25 plus points, 9-10 reb, super clutch, carried his franchise to 11 consecutive playoff appearances in the wild west.

Further more: dirk is just a leader, he is a leader who makes his teamm8s way better, when being on the floor. the floor spacing he creates when on the field and the attention he gets by enemies defense is ridiculous. his defense is way better than people claim.
to compare wade with dirk is so....:facepalm . best MVP voting was 3rd place, once in his career.

wade is a fashion victim second banana clown. east stat padding career loser.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectal_pain

[SugarHill]

wow...easy running in the east until maybe, just maybe the ECF...and being with bosh and lebron james on the team...
HAHAHAHHA:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol :lol :lol :oldlol:
The career loser beat your boy in the Finals :bowdown:

[pastis]

@samuraiswish:hahahaha dirk 2nd tier with pau, pierce and wade 1st tier? what did you smoke behind your ghetto walls?

[BasedTom]

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[BasedTom]

http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/23/commentary/column_sportsbiz/sportsbiz/wheaties.jpg