Mavs win the ship this year.

[HOoopCityJones]

Book it. :biggums:

Trade is highway robbery.

[StephHamann]

This team is one Tyson chandler injury away from missing the playoffs

[SouBeachTalents]

Trade is highway robbery.

Like Gasol's in '08

[Legends66NBA7]

This team is one Tyson chandler injury away from missing the playoffs

Rondo having multiple injuries is more likely too.

[pastis]

This team is one Tyson chandler injury away from missing the playoffs

at least one poster who didnt have the rondo glasses on.

we needed wright under the rim for rebounds.


wright, crowder, 1st and 2nd round for rondo....who cant play d and will destroy la familia atmosphere...
we are worse right now. good trade boston

[Fudge]

Not with a decent backup big they won't. Do they even have any backup bigs, period? :oldlol:

[daprunus]

Bird didnt team up with Jordan and magic

[JohnFreeman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5LHvB1CcAAG1Jj.png

[Wally450]

Triple double everywhere these playoffs. Rondo gets to go ham again.

[UK2K]

I like the move but I wonder how bad the loss of a big will hurt them.

[HurricaneKid]

Yeah too many people here don't get ball.

Dallas has the #1 offense in the NBA. The ball flies around the court like a damn Golden Snitch. You bring in one of the most ball dominant PGs in the NBA, a guy who has led a total of ZERO top 10 offenses in his career, and you think they get better?

The key here for the Mavs is A) make sure the ball doesn't get sticky with him and B) Rondo improves their backcourt D. He hasn't been a good defender since the first his two major injuries. Neither of these are anywhere near givens.

[StephHamann]

The key here for the Mavs is A) make sure the ball doesn't get sticky with him and B) Rondo improves their backcourt D. He hasn't been a good defender since the first his two major injuries. Neither of these are anywhere near givens.

According to ESPN advanced statistics he's the 4 best defender @ Point Guard in the league.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1

idk only saw 1 Boston game this year so far.

[Demitri98]

Nah. They have a very good team, potentially the conference finals...but they're still lacking that one superstar every championship team has.

[ArbitraryWater]

Nah. They have a very good team, potentially the conference finals...but they're still lacking that one superstar every championship team has.

... Did you take a look at last year's Spurs?

[YouGotServed]

Not with a decent backup big they won't. Do they even have any backup bigs, period? :oldlol:

Legit lold at period? :roll:


Period.

[Cocaine80s]

Mavs need a backup Center

Verajao+Waiters for Ellis

[ArbitraryWater]

Mavs need a backup Center

Verajao+Waiters for Ellis

Waiters lol

[HurricaneKid]

According to ESPN advanced statistics he's the 4 best defender @ Point Guard in the league.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1

idk only saw 1 Boston game this year so far.

xRAPM is great. One of my favorite stats. But it requires atleast a YEAR of data. 22 games? No where near enough. And if you think Rondo is better than Bledsoe defensively I have a fantastic business opportunity I'd like to discuss with you.

[pastis]

Mavs need a backup Center

Verajao+Waiters for Ellis

felton and smith and cash: for varajao lol

[Spurs5Rings2014]

... Did you take a look at last year's Spurs?

Tim Duncan is still a superstar.

[Cocaine80s]

Tim Duncan is still a superstar.
yikes

[ArbitraryWater]

Tim Duncan is still a superstar.

Superstar isn't based on level of play, then... Duncan isn't any better than Ellis or Dirk

[pastis]

Tim Duncan is still a superstar.

duncan isnt a superstar since 2008

[Spurs5Rings2014]

If you take defense into account, which you should, Duncan is one of the best players in the league still.

[pastis]

If you take defense into account, which you should, Duncan is one of the best players in the league still.

thats right.
but maybe we the word "superstar" is open to many interprtations

[ArbitraryWater]

If you take defense into account, which you should, Duncan is one of the best players in the league still.


What a vague statement that is.. He's not a superstar or top 20 player, period.

[aj1987]

Am I the only one who doesn't like Rondo? The guy is the definition of a "stat-padder". Good defender and can find the open guy, but he cares more about his stats. There's a reason why he averages ~7 RPG as a midget PG. Stat-padding.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

What a vague statement that is.. He's not a superstar or top 20 player, period.

Agree to disagree.

[aj1987]

Agree to disagree.
:oldlol:

Duncan is NOT top 20 this season.

[pastis]

Am I the only one who doesn't like Rondo? The guy is the definition of a "stat-padder". Good defender and can find the open guy, but he cares more about his stats. There's a reason why he averages ~7 RPG as a midget PG. Stat-padding.

no you are not the only one. im very sceptical as well.... dont believe in any real improvement tbh

[HurricaneKid]

What a vague statement that is.. He's not a superstar or top 20 player, period.

You linked me to xRAPM and he has been the #1 player for the last two years.

But not top 20?

[Optimus Prime]

Calm down. Spurs, Grizzlies and Warriors are still better, but the Mavs are probably #4. Relying on Tyson Chandler staying healthy is a dicey situation, however.

[ArbitraryWater]

You linked me to xRAPM and he has been the #1 player for the last two years.

But not top 20?

haha that was another poster with the same avatar :lol

[MastaKilla]

Like Gasol's in '08

yeah grizzlies really ****ed up getting Gasol huh..

[SouBeachTalents]

yeah grizzlies really ****ed up getting Gasol huh..

:biggums:

The **** are you talking about?

[StephHamann]

:biggums:

The **** are you talking about?

[I]Memphis, February 1, 2008

[Spurs5Rings2014]

:oldlol:

Duncan is NOT top 20 this season.

Great argument.

:applause:

Please tell me more of this.

:facepalm

[Milbuck]

Great argument.

:applause:

Please tell me more of this.

:facepalm
The load Duncan has to carry offensively is a joke if we're considering him a top 15-20 player. He's a key contributor and they look to him often in big moments because the skills are still there, but it's obvious their offense has the potential for ridiculous firepower whether he's contributing or not. When they're on their game, the Spurs could blow out most teams in the league with him doing absolutely nothing offensively. It's a hell of a lot easier to bring the energy and effort in defense and rebounding when your team has one of the smartest, most efficient, most strategically sound offenses in history loaded with shooters and creators everywhere, where you can consistently do nothing more than clean up around the rim and still win games at a high clip. I'd love to see what kind of impact Duncan's defense would manifest itself into on a garbage team like the Pistons or Knicks, where there's zero offensive structure and he'd be relied upon heavily to drive that offense.

And even then it's not like Duncan is carrying their defense or anything, like their defense would collapse with him out...San Antonio's defense just like their offense is one of the smartest, most disciplined, fundamentally sound team defenses in the league..they went from 11th in both the 11 and 12 seasons to the 3rd ranked defense in both the 2013 and 2014 seasons, and that isn't just a coincidence. Duncan surely has had a resurgence in recent years, but he didn't just magically return to peak form defensively...it's been well-documented, the Spurs have mentioned it several times, and it's there's been a visible difference that's all on tape..after that 2012 season when their defense got torn apart by OKC, they started embracing analytics and picked up on what really makes an elite defense, outside of traditional stuff like elite defensive rebounding, shot blocking, etc - constant contesting of shots both inside and outside, constant and rapid rotations and closeouts, defensive versatility that allows you to trap out in the perimeter but also funnel offenses into their paint defense. Everyone on that team buys into their defense and when they're locked in it's a defensive machine that suffocates teams..this isn't 2003.

I said this last season and I'll say it this season...Duncan's peak is underrated as ****, but he's also overrated as **** right now. People always point to "intangibles, leadership, always makes the right plays, does the little things"..as if damn near everyone on that team doesn't do that, as if they don't have the foundation for a winning culture already set. Once again, I'd love to see all those intangibles and "beyond the stats" impact on team that isn't nearly flawless from a team-perspective.

[MastaKilla]

:biggums:

The **** are you talking about?

Grizzlies received their current MVP candidate center in that trade.

[Cocaine80s]

The load Duncan has to carry offensively is a joke if we're considering him a top 15-20 player. He's a key contributor and they look to him often in big moments because the skills are still there, but it's obvious their offense has the potential for ridiculous firepower whether he's contributing or not. When they're on their game, the Spurs could blow out most teams in the league with him doing absolutely nothing offensively. It's a hell of a lot easier to bring the energy and effort in defense and rebounding when your team has one of the smartest, most efficient, most strategically sound offenses in history loaded with shooters and creators everywhere, where you can consistently do nothing more than clean up around the rim and still win games at a high clip. I'd love to see what kind of impact Duncan's defense would manifest itself into on a garbage team like the Pistons or Knicks, where there's zero offensive structure and he'd be relied upon heavily to drive that offense.

And even then it's not like Duncan is carrying their defense or anything, like their defense would collapse with him out...San Antonio's defense just like their offense is one of the smartest, most disciplined, fundamentally sound team defenses in the league..they went from 11th in both the 11 and 12 seasons to the 3rd ranked defense in both the 2013 and 2014 seasons, and that isn't just a coincidence. Duncan surely has had a resurgence in recent years, but he didn't just magically return to peak form defensively...it's been well-documented, the Spurs have mentioned it several times, and it's there's been a visible difference that's all on tape..after that 2012 season when their defense got torn apart by OKC, they started embracing analytics and picked up on what really makes an elite defense, outside of traditional stuff like elite defensive rebounding, shot blocking, etc - constant contesting of shots both inside and outside, constant and rapid rotations and closeouts, defensive versatility that allows you to trap out in the perimeter but also funnel offenses into their paint defense. Everyone on that team buys into their defense and when they're locked in it's a defensive machine that suffocates teams..this isn't 2003.

I said this last season and I'll say it this season...Duncan's peak is underrated as ****, but he's also overrated as **** right now. People always point to "intangibles, leadership, always makes the right plays, does the little things"..as if damn near everyone on that team doesn't do that, as if they don't have the foundation for a winning culture already set. Once again, I'd love to see all those intangibles and "beyond the stats" impact on team that isn't nearly flawless from a team-perspective.
3 paragaphs really wasnt needed to say this

btw when can i change my avy? I dont remember what day i lost the bet

[Milbuck]

3 paragaphs really wasnt needed to say this
Well then I guess everyone might as well speak in single sentence posts. I just figured I'd rather explain my position, whether it's dumb and I'm completely off, or not.
btw when can i change my avy? I dont remember what day i lost the bet
I think you're good, don't remember the exact date but it's probably been a week.

[Hizack]

Ship? what ship?

[keep-itreal]

Ship? what ship?
it sanked

[HOoopCityJones]

That Rondo trade had the complete opposite effect than what was intended , that's what happened.

[Mr Feeny]

That Rondo trade had the complete opposite effect than what was intended , that's what happened.In other words, you embarassed yourself again and showed everyone that you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to basketball. Great:applause:

[Mrofir]

I also thought the Mavs would be better than they were. Lots of people did.

Hard to believe they took the Spurs to 7 games last season.

[HOoopCityJones]

In other words, you embarassed yourself again and showed everyone that you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to basketball. Great:applause:

https://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/indiana-jones-popcorn-reaction-gif.gif

How my dick taste doe?

[DMAVS41]

I also thought the Mavs would be better than they were. Lots of people did.

Hard to believe they took the Spurs to 7 games last season.

Why are people ignoring no Parsons and the Rondo stuff?

You give this team a healthy Parsons and a competent pg and they'd go toe to toe with just about anyone outside the ultra elite.

Even in this form they were a top 10 team in the league.

[Lebron23]

I also thought the Mavs would be better than they were. Lots of people did.

Hard to believe they took the Spurs to 7 games last season.


They were a much better team last season. Rondo ruined their team chemistry.

[DMAVS41]

They were a much better team last season. Rondo ruined their team chemistry.

Not just that...

Losing Carter and Marion killed our perimeter defense

They are old and done, but that honestly was the big other thing

[Mr Feeny]

How my dick taste doe?"I have nothing to answer with". Good stuff!

[Ramza]

In other words, you embarassed yourself again and showed everyone that you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to basketball. Great:applause:
Don't do em like that bruh :oldlol:

[lilandywiggins]

Mavs were the worst playoff team in the West this year. Pelicans also would have stole 1 from the Rockets.

[StephHamann]

Mavs were the worst playoff team in the West this year. Pelicans also would have stole 1 from the Rockets.

This one is on Cuban/Nelson

Rick would have benched Rondo months ago, so they could develop a playing style with Barea and Felton. But no they were stubborn to play this little piece of cancer.

I wish death and misery upon the Rondo family.

[Fallen Angel]

Triple double everywhere these playoffs. Rondo gets to go ham again.
:yaohappy:

[HOoopCityJones]

"I have nothing to answer with". Good stuff!

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/you_got_me_breaking_bad.gif

When you stop hiding behind your bitch ass alt, then talk shit. You Lebron nut guzzler.

[navy]

Why are people ignoring no Parsons and the Rondo stuff?

You give this team a healthy Parsons and a competent pg and they'd go toe to toe with just about anyone outside the ultra elite.

Even in this form they were a top 10 team in the league.
Not really. Defense was despicable and as I suspected Dirk wouldnt be able to produce what was needed at his age.

[DMAVS41]

Not really. Defense was despicable and as I suspected Dirk wouldnt be able to produce what was needed at his age.

And still had chances each game in the 4th without the pg and Parsons.

Dirk was more than capable of the team was right. A team like the Mavs just has a slim margin of error. They can't lose a guy like Parsons and not feel it.

Not really what? You don't think a healthy team with a starting pg can't make noise? Did you watch the Rockets series? We were 1 player away from making that a coin flip.... Give us 2 and we would be live against anyone but Warriors/Spurs.

[rezznor]

And still had chances each game in the 4th without the pg and Parsons.

Dirk was more than capable of the team was right. A team like the Mavs just has a slim margin of error. They can't lose a guy like Parsons and not feel it.

Not really what? You don't think a healthy team with a starting pg can't make noise? Did you watch the Rockets series? We were 1 player away from making that a coin flip.... Give us 2 and we would be live against anyone but Warriors/Spurs.


love how you guys keep claiming you would win with parsons but then fail to acknowledge the players the rockets were missing

[navy]

And still had chances each game in the 4th without the pg and Parsons.

Dirk was more than capable of the team was right. A team like the Mavs just has a slim margin of error. They can't lose a guy like Parsons and not feel it.

Not really what? You don't think a healthy team with a starting pg can't make noise? Did you watch the Rockets series? We were 1 player away from making that a coin flip.... Give us 2 and we would be live against anyone but Warriors/Spurs.
That means nothing to be honest. Sure the Mavs didnt get blown out, but they didnt show enough for anyone to say that the addition of Parsons would have won them the series. I mean, what if I said that the Rockets had beverly? Would it have been a sweep or more or less the same?

It was obvious that they had severe defensive issues, especially in the front court. Resurrected Josh Smith and Dwight Howard in the same series.

It was also obvious that Dirk wasnt going to be able to carry a large enough load to to get it done. I read a great quote on the series. Only way for Dirk to guard anyone is for him to score 30.

Obvious to me anyways. Losing in 5 isnt anything to brag about. Parsons and Rondo arent anything to talk about. Not when you look at what other teams have lost. Including the Rockets. Just your run of the mill first round exit team in the west. One that could be seen a mile away.

[ImKobe]

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[DMAVS41]

To the posts above...

I didn't say we'd win the series. I said we would have been "live" against pretty much any team not named Warriors/Spurs...which we would have been.

And yes...it does matter that the games were competitive.

I'd gladly give the Rockets a full bill of health if it mean us getting Parsons and a competent guard.

Did I say we'd win? No...so please stop the straw man.

I was super low on this Mavs team all year...everyone else went around going nuts when we started off just pretty good...playing the easiest schedule in the league. We weren't ever going to win it all or anything...but we had enough, if right, to challenge all but a couple teams in the league.

And no, Dirk doesn't have to score 30 to be good. He needs to not be put in the position to have to generate so many shots and scoring opportunities at this stage of his career. He can still do it better than all but the 10 to 15 best offensive players in the league, but it's not a winning strategy.

As much as I don't like Parsons or his fit on this team...he does take a nice amount of the burden away from Ellis/Dirk and it would have helped a lot.

Again...win the series? Nah, probably not, but I bet it would have gone 7...and that would have been fun.

Also, we really have to stop ignoring who these teams play. We played the Rockets. A team with a top 3 or so player this year and another top 10 or so player in Howard now that he's healthy. They are like the 4th or 5th best team in the league...even in their current state.

Lets not act like..."oh..they lost in round 1" like it's the same as the Raptors or something.

Put this Mavs team in the East and only 2 teams are actually any better...and the Mavs would definitely be "live" against the Hawks and Cavs in their current states.

It's why this system has to change...I'm so god damn sick of watching these scrub East teams advance and people hating on teams/players in the West.

I'm not even a huge fan of Paul...although I think he's great, if not a bit over-rated here, but him/Clips losing in round 1 is the dumbest argument I've ever heard this year.

The Clips would be the favorites to make the finals in the East...pretty large I might add now that Love is out. They would cruise to the conference finals with ease...

Instead, because they play in a real conference, they have to play an elite team in round 1.

You clowns think that makes the Wizards or Bulls/Bucks/Hawks/Nets better than them?

Stop acting like the Rockets aren't elite...and stop acting like the Mavs got dominated. It's too early for the standard ISH revisionist history. At least give it a year or something...

[rezznor]

To the posts above...

I didn't say we'd win the series. I said we would have been "live" against pretty much any team not named Warriors/Spurs...which we would have been.

And yes...it does matter that the games were competitive.

I'd gladly give the Rockets a full bill of health if it mean us getting Parsons and a competent guard.

Did I say we'd win? No...so please stop the straw man.

I was super low on this Mavs team all year...everyone else went around going nuts when we started off just pretty good...playing the easiest schedule in the league. We weren't ever going to win it all or anything...but we had enough, if right, to challenge all but a couple teams in the league.

And no, Dirk doesn't have to score 30 to be good. He needs to not be put in the position to have to generate so many shots and scoring opportunities at this stage of his career. He can still do it better than all but the 10 to 15 best offensive players in the league, but it's not a winning strategy.

As much as I don't like Parsons or his fit on this team...he does take a nice amount of the burden away from Ellis/Dirk and it would have helped a lot.

Again...win the series? Nah, probably not, but I bet it would have gone 7...and that would have been fun.

Also, we really have to stop ignoring who these teams play. We played the Rockets. A team with a top 3 or so player this year and another top 10 or so player in Howard now that he's healthy. They are like the 4th or 5th best team in the league...even in their current state.

Lets not act like..."oh..they lost in round 1" like it's the same as the Raptors or something.

Put this Mavs team in the East and only 2 teams are actually any better...and the Mavs would definitely be "live" against the Hawks and Cavs in their current states.

It's why this system has to change...I'm so god damn sick of watching these scrub East teams advance and people hating on teams/players in the West.

I'm not even a huge fan of Paul...although I think he's great, if not a bit over-rated here, but him/Clips losing in round 1 is the dumbest argument I've ever heard this year.

The Clips would be the favorites to make the finals in the East...pretty large I might add now that Love is out. They would cruise to the conference finals with ease...

Instead, because they play in a real conference, they have to play an elite team in round 1.

You clowns think that makes the Wizards or Bulls/Bucks/Hawks/Nets better than them?

Stop acting like the Rockets aren't elite...and stop acting like the Mavs got dominated. It's too early for the standard ISH revisionist history. At least give it a year or something...


pre-rondo mavs were a much better team. i agree with you there and yes, the series would have been tighter if that was the match up. i still think the rockets are a better team although it would be closer than it is now.

also agree that the mavs would be a top seed in the east, any of the west PO teams would be top 4 in the weast

[Bernkastel]

I really thought they would go out better than the way they did.

[BurningHammer]

The mix of Konex and reality :applause: