Dwyane Wade career fta: 8.3, Kobe Bryant career fta: 7.6

[Smoke117]

..but...but.."Dwhistle" goes to the line way more than anybody!

He was only the best slasher by far in his younger and prime years (and maybe all time), but he got all the calls! He only averages .7 more fta's than a guy who constantly settled for jumpers over his entire career...but "Dwhistle" is the one who gets all the calls. :rolleyes: :facepalm "Dwhistle" is after all the 36 year old coming off of a career ending injury while averaging the most ft's since he was 29, right?

[JohnFreeman]

Young Wade was reckless

[Genaro]

You probably never saw Kobe play in his prime. He constantly attacked the rim and was/is very good at pumping faking his man into making a foul.

[imdaman99]

That's only because he was a spot up shooter for Lebron for 3 and a half years. That tends to hurt your average.

[Im so nba'd out]

..but...but.."Dwhistle" goes to the line way more than anybody!

He was only the best slasher by far in his younger and prime years (and maybe all time), but he got all the calls! He only averages .7 more fta's than a guy who constantly settled for jumpers over his entire career...but "Dwhistle" is the one who gets all the calls. :rolleyes: :facepalm
D wade had around 1500 career and -1's to kobe's 648 so it skews the numbers :facepalm

[Heavincent]

He only averages .7 more fta's than a guy who constantly settled for jumpers over his entire career..

Spoken like somebody who didn't witness prime Kobe.

[Jacks3]

Yeah, Wade can't settle for the jumpshot. He doesn't have one.

[Mr. Jabbar]

thread is a prime example of this shitty boxscore era.

ive tried my best to educate lebald stans on the benefits of the eye test but failed miserably

[Heavincent]

Yeah, Wade can't settle for the jumpshot. He doesn't have one.

This.

There's a reason why Kobe's prime lasted for so much longer than Wade's.

[STATUTORY]

free throw to field goal attempt is the relevant measure

:facepalm

[Smoke117]

I live in southern california (my entire life), I'm 30 years old, I'm a huge basketball fan...but I've never witnessed Kobe Bryant in his prime. Uh...keep running with that logic, girls. Of Course Kobe in his younger and prime years attacked the basket more...but he's ALWAYS played more like a 96 Jordan than a 91 Jordan. Saying Wade was a much better and more prevalent Slasher than Kobe is like saying the sun rises at dawn...it's just stating a fact.

[AirFederer]

This.

There's a reason why Kobe's prime lasted for so much longer than Wade's.

I'm not sure Kobe has been more efficient from midrange...someone look it up! Wade's midrange is underrated!

[STATUTORY]

I live in southern california, I'm 30 years old, I'm a huge basketball fan...but I've never witnessed Kobe Bryant in his prime. Uh...keep running with that logic, girls. Of Course Kobe in his younger and prime years attacked the basket more...but he's ALWAYS played more like a 96 Jordan than a 91 Jordan. Saying Wade was a much better and more prevalent Slasher than Kobe is just stating a fact.
wade had to slash because he can't shoot the ball worth a shit

between this and you using fta to represent their propensity for the whistle, you really taking the :facepalm in this thread

[Heavincent]

I live in southern california (my entire life), I'm 30 years old, I'm a huge basketball fan...but I've never witnessed Kobe Bryant in his prime. Uh...keep running with that logic, girls. Of Course Kobe in his younger and prime years attacked the basket more...but he's ALWAYS played more like a 96 Jordan than a 91 Jordan. Saying Wade was a much better and more prevalent Slasher than Kobe is like saying the sun rises at dawn...it's just stating a fact.

How come his prime was so short lived in comparison to Kobe?

[Smoke117]

This is good...the Kobe stans are filling up the thread early...which means we just might be able to ween them out quickly (wishful thinking) and be able to get a real discussion on soon.

[Jacks3]

I'm not sure Kobe has been more efficient from midrange...someone look it up!
lol

Kobe's career average from 10-16 feet is as good as Wade's career high and he does it on much higher volume.

[STATUTORY]

has wade ever even shot above 80% from the free throw line in his career?

[Heavincent]

This is good...the Kobe stans are filling up the thread early...which means we just might be able to ween them out quickly (wishful thinking) and be able to get a real discussion on soon.

You're a Wade stan though...You're no better, just on the opposite end of the spectrum.

[JohnFreeman]

has wade ever even shot above 80% from the free throw line in his career?
06-07

[STATUTORY]

06-07

the myth of Wade's supposed "prime" is based of that one season

dude has been basically injured or overrated everywhere else

[Smoke117]

You're a Wade stan though...You're no better, just on the opposite end of the spectrum.


Except I'm not...I'm a Wade FAN. I don't just say stupid ass shit and then back it up with "he's alpha"...I actually back up what I post. That's the difference between a stan and a fan...we can actually think intelligently and were NOT ABOVE CRITICISM. I don't sit here cradling the balls and stroking the shaft...if there is something that needs to be criticized than I'll be the first one to mention it. There hasn't exactly been a lot of coal to stoke a fire criticizing wade this year though has there?...he's been a consistently very good player all season long thus far.

Kobe STANS on the other hand: *having watched some of the worst shots ever taken in the leagues entire history* Dats alpha doe.

[JohnFreeman]

the myth of Wade's supposed "prime" is based of that one season

dude has been basically injured or overrated everywhere else
08-09 was probably his prime

[STATUTORY]

Except I'm not...I'm a Wade FAN. I don't just say stupid ass shit and then back it up with "he's alpha"...I actually back up what I post. That's the difference between a stan and a fan...we can actually think intelligently and were NOT ABOVE CRITICISM. I don't sit here cradling the balls and stroking the shaft...if there is something that needs to be criticized than I'll be the first one to mention it. There hasn't exactly been a lot of coal to stoke a fire criticizing wade this year though has there?...he's been a consistently very good player all season long thus far.

Kobe STANS on the other hand: *having watched some of the worst shots ever taken in the leagues entire history*...alpha

you are a grown man that has a photo of another man under your handle on a forum

not a stan doe

[Smoke117]

you are a grown man that has a photo of another man under your handle on a forum

not a stan doe

lol...that means nothing. I've been meaning to change it to Johnny Thunders the last couple of weeks but have just been too lazy. Will I then be a Johnny Thunders stan once I do? (if you even know who that is) Even a player I admit I'm a stan of: SCOTTIE PIPPEN...I barely make any post about and have NEVER made a thread about.

[Relinquish]

Yeah, Wade can't settle for the jumpshot. He doesn't have one.

One of the dumbest posts I've EVER read on ISH. Like holy shit, can you get any dumber than this? :biggums: :biggums:

[sbw19]

Dwane's the better slasher, but not by much. Their playoff fta/g are basically the same. Main difference? Kobe's longer career (532 more regular season games) and his entering draft straight out of high school and then having to learn and earn his minutes in first couple of seasons.

[Heavincent]

Except I'm not...I'm a Wade FAN. I don't just say stupid ass shit and then back it up with "he's alpha"...I actually back up what I post. That's the difference between a stan and a fan...we can actually think intelligently and were NOT ABOVE CRITICISM. I don't sit here cradling the balls and stroking the shaft...if there is something that needs to be criticized than I'll be the first one to mention it. There hasn't exactly been a lot of coal to stoke a fire criticizing wade this year though has there?...he's been a consistently very good player all season long thus far.

Kobe STANS on the other hand: *having watched some of the worst shots ever taken in the leagues entire history* Dats alpha doe.

Show me one irrational post I've made about Kobe. I mostly just stick to the facts....I've enjoyed watching him play over the years because I'm a fan of basketball, just like how I jumped on the GS bandwagon a few years ago. I just enjoy good basketball.

I'm far rational about Kobe than most people.

[Shih508]

Kobe's a jump shooter his whole career, he'd attack the rim from time to time but he's a jump shooter regardless. Plus, Wade got to play his whole career with no hand checking rule that also helps a lot.

[Droid101]

thread is a prime example of this shitty boxscore era.

ive tried my best to educate lebald stans on the benefits of the eye test but failed miserably
You are only human. These fecal stains can't be taught.

[Smoke117]

You are only human. These fecal stains can't be taught.

You realize the idiot brought up "lebald"...when nobody is talking about Lebron James right now? That's how pathetic you kobe stans are...you bring up players that ME THE OP ISN"T EVEN DISCUSSING...what.the.****?!?!

[bdreason]

Wade is the poster boy for the modern NBA. His performance in the 2006 Finals changed the game forever.

[Dresta]

How come his prime was so short lived in comparison to Kobe?
Probably largely because he's been missing a meniscus in his knee since college.

If you damage the meniscus now, they repair it rather than removing it; by removing it you miss less time, but it shortens your career (why do you think guys miss whole seasons just to repair a meniscus?). His knees are shot because there's no padding there, not because he didn't shoot lots of jumpshots.

This really doesn't have very much to do with 'playstyle' - Wade still has a great game despite very limited athleticism.

[plowking]

lol

Kobe's career average from 10-16 feet is as good as Wade's career high and he does it on much higher volume.

Funnily enough, Wade's career FG% is better than Kobe has ever shot in a season. Hell, even in a playoff run.

Hell, lets take it a step further. Wade's FG% for his career is better than Kobe has ever shot in a finals game in the last 10 years.

[chazzy]

Wade's FT rate is .467 vs Kobe's .389

[plowking]

Wade is the poster boy for the modern NBA. His performance in the 2006 Finals changed the game forever.

Kobe has a series against Utah with as many free throws in a 6 games series.

No one said shit. :oldlol:

Typical Cuban complaining and making it a topic of discussion. Funnily enough he did it in a post season where his star player, Dirk, broke the record for free throws made in a post season run, and right after a series against SA where a lot of people thought the Spurs were robbed. All of that, conveniently forgotten. :oldlol:

[pastis]

wade easy layups, just in the east the whole career.

maybe top 35 all time.:applause: thx to the gathering with a top5 player

d-whistle the whiny easter-conference hero

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

I'm not sure Kobe has been more efficient from midrange...someone look it up! Wade's midrange is underrated!


Just quoting this to give you props on the username :cheers: Fed is the GOAT and my favourite athlete of all time. Been following his career closely since '02, when he beat Safin in the Hamburg final. Probably seen about 700 of his matches (on TV or online, of course :p)

Anyways people, I'm not a Kobe hater, he's one of my favourite players of this era. AND imo he is absolutely a better player than D-Wade, whom I have mixed feelings for. But it's no surprise D-Wade gets to the line more. Per bball ref, 21% of Kobe's shots have come within 0-3 feet of the rim in his career, compared to 37% for D-Wade. Despite that big difference, Wade converts those at-rim shots at a higher rate too -- 66.1% to 63.4%. Hence, more shooting fouls....even though Kobe coaxes fouls out of his defenders with his pump-fakes, the difference in % of shots at the rim is too much to overcome.

That said, Kobe is definitely more efficient from the mid-range. Better from 10-16 and 16-23 feet.

[sbw19]

Wade's FT rate is .467 vs Kobe's .389

Can you guess what Harden's is (despite taking 5 3s a game for his career)? His FTr for 2pt shot attempts must be something like .75+

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe has always primarily been a jump shooter.. Kobe fans try to deny this.

[riseagainst]

FTr (free throw attempts per field goals attempted)
Kobe: .389
Wade: .467

/thread

[Papaya Petee]

Kobe stan morons saying Wade can't shoot. Yet hes shooting the midrange and 3 ball this year lights out much better than Kobe. Shit, if you idiots even watched a Heat game this year youd see Wade is automatic from 10-16 feet and his post game is crazy. 23 PPG on 53% FG vs Kobes 25 on like 38%

[G0ATbe]

I personally have nothing against Wade:confusedshrug: .2nd greatest SG of all time behind Kobe.

[f0und]

wade aggressively attacked the basket more than anyone ive ever seen since jordan. for you kobe kids who reply with, "you've obviously never seen young/prime kobe", what exactly are you trying to say? are you implying that young/prime kobe is on par with jordan and wade as one of the most consistently aggressive attackers ever? if thats the case, then like always, you're full of *hit.

the fact is, wade plays with an attack first mentality and will fall back to his midrange if the lane isnt there. kobe often settles for the jumpshot/fadeaway and occasionally attack if he sees an opening.

like someone else said wade's playstyle = '84-'93 jordan. kobe's playstyle even at his athletic peak = '95-'98 jordan.

so why is their fta so close? beats me. it really doesnt bother me too much. but what gets me is that one is the aggressive attacker gets called out for ref bias while the other who's a jumpshooter gets a pass. shouldnt it be the other way around?

[gts]

Not sure when getting to the line was considered a bad thing but it's not unless you're flopping to get there :lol

Kobe goes to the line .38 per every FG attempt on 83% shooting
Wade .46 per every FG attempt on 76% shooting

These aren't really stand out numbers nether one of these guys will go down as some icon at the charity stripe Kobe's around 4-6 all time but far behind guys like Malone who made a living at the stripe.. We talked about this last year and I think we figured out Kobe would have to play another 10 years to catch Malone

Not really much to discuss between Kobe and Wade on this topic unless you just want to troll each other

[Myth]

..but...but.."Dwhistle" goes to the line way more than anybody!

He was only the best slasher by far in his younger and prime years (and maybe all time), but he got all the calls! He only averages .7 more fta's than a guy who constantly settled for jumpers over his entire career...but "Dwhistle" is the one who gets all the calls. :rolleyes: :facepalm "Dwhistle" is after all the 36 year old coming off of a career ending injury while averaging the most ft's since he was 29, right?

So your proof that Wade doesn't get many calls is that he shoots more free throws than Kobe? :biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

So your proof that Wade doesn't get many calls is that he shoots more free throws than Kobe? :biggums:

He's saying the difference is minimal, and should almost be expected considering their different game's / playing styles... He's just responding to all the D-Whistle stuff.

IMO, both have received some heavy ref calls.

[Mass Debator]

wade aggressively attacked the basket more than anyone ive ever seen since jordan. for you kobe kids who reply with, "you've obviously never seen young/prime kobe", what exactly are you trying to say? are you implying that young/prime kobe is on par with jordan and wade as one of the most consistently aggressive attackers ever? if thats the case, then like always, you're full of *hit.

the fact is, wade plays with an attack first mentality and will fall back to his midrange if the lane isnt there. kobe often settles for the jumpshot/fadeaway and occasionally attack if he sees an opening.

like someone else said wade's playstyle = '84-'93 jordan. kobe's playstyle even at his athletic peak = '95-'98 jordan.

so why is their fta so close? beats me. it really doesnt bother me too much. but what gets me is that one is the aggressive attacker gets called out for ref bias while the other who's a jumpshooter gets a pass. shouldnt it be the other way around?
Exactly, but I'd like to add Iverson's name to your first statement.

[Myth]

He's saying the difference is minimal, and should almost be expected considering their different game's / playing styles... He's just responding to all the D-Whistle stuff.

IMO, both have received some heavy ref calls.

That is my point. Kobe is hardly the poster guy for not getting enough whistles, and Wade even gets more than him.

[chazzy]

He's saying the difference is minimal, and should almost be expected considering their different game's / playing styles... He's just responding to all the D-Whistle stuff.

IMO, both have received some heavy ref calls.
Kobes FTA is high because of his FGA. For perspective, Wade's career FTr is around Lebron's 2nd highest single season.

[Akhenaten]

[COLOR=Teal]Dwane's the better slasher, but not by much.

If this was the case there would me a much greater separation between the two player's statistically, in ppg and or FG%, and that's in their primes or career numbers

You're delusional if you don't recognize how the huge advantage Wade had over Kobe in terms of speed, quickness, explosiveness and agility.

Wade was like Westbrook is now, except stronger, better balance and more agile. Wade is/was a FREAK of an athlete, Kobe is a very good athlete but he was never freakish in any aspect of athleticism (this is not a slight)

What you and other Kobe fans are claiming is that on top of Kobe being galaxies better than prime Wade as a shooter (midrange, threes and frees) he is also just slightly less adept as a slasher?

Think about that for a second.
Then how in the world did Wade avg 24 ppg for his career, 27 ppg in his prime and Kobe only 25.5 in his career, 28 ppg in his prime WHILE TAKING THREE TO FOUR MORE SHOTS, INCLUDING MORE MADE THREES AND FREES?

That makes NO sense, Wade in his prime was getting 8-9 attempts at the rim and converting at a 66-70% rate. So you're saying Kobe has that sort of ability combined with his FAR superior jumpshooting and FT shooting?

He would be the undisputed GOAT, which knowing Kobe fan yall probably would say he IS the undisputed GOAT :oldlol:

but yeah, Kobe would be a career 30 ppg scorer on 50%+ shooting if that were the case and his Finals numbers would be much bette because he would have been able to dominate those great Eastern Conference defense like Wade did (04, 05 Pistons and the 2010 Celts etc.).

The facts don't bear out you people's Claims (Heavincent etc.)

[MastaKilla]

If this was the case there would me a much greater separation between the two player's statistically, in ppg and or FG%, and that's in their primes or career numbers

You're delusional if you don't recognize how the huge advantage Wade had over Kobe in terms of speed, quickness, explosiveness and agility.

Wade was like Westbrook is now, except stronger, better balance and more agile. Wade is/was a FREAK of an athlete, Kobe is a very good athlete but he was never freakish in any aspect of athleticism (this is not a slight)

What you and other Kobe fans are claiming is that on top of Kobe being galaxies better than prime Wade as a shooter (midrange, threes and frees) he is also just slightly less adept as a slasher?

Think about that for a second.
Then how in the world did Wade avg 24 ppg for his career, 27 ppg in his prime and Kobe only 25.5 in his career, 28 ppg in his prime WHILE TAKING THREE TO FOUR MORE SHOTS, INCLUDING MORE MADE THREES AND FREES?

That makes NO sense, Wade in his prime was getting 8-9 attempts at the rim and converting at a 66-70% rate. So you're saying Kobe has that sort of ability combined with his FAR superior jumpshooting and FT shooting?

He would be the undisputed GOAT, which knowing Kobe fan yall probably would say he IS the undisputed GOAT :oldlol:

but yeah, Kobe would be a career 30 ppg scorer on 50%+ shooting if that were the case and his Finals numbers would be much bette because he would have been able to dominate those great Eastern Conference defense like Wade did (04, 05 Pistons and the 2010 Celts etc.).

The facts don't bear out you people's Claims (Heavincent etc.)

i think you meant 35ppg

[Papaya Petee]

If this was the case there would me a much greater separation between the two player's statistically, in ppg and or FG%, and that's in their primes or career numbers

You're delusional if you don't recognize how the huge advantage Wade had over Kobe in terms of speed, quickness, explosiveness and agility.

Wade was like Westbrook is now, except stronger, better balance and more agile. Wade is/was a FREAK of an athlete, Kobe is a very good athlete but he was never freakish in any aspect of athleticism (this is not a slight)

What you and other Kobe fans are claiming is that on top of Kobe being galaxies better than prime Wade as a shooter (midrange, threes and frees) he is also just slightly less adept as a slasher?

Think about that for a second.
Then how in the world did Wade avg 24 ppg for his career, 27 ppg in his prime and Kobe only 25.5 in his career, 28 ppg in his prime WHILE TAKING THREE TO FOUR MORE SHOTS, INCLUDING MORE MADE THREES AND FREES?

That makes NO sense, Wade in his prime was getting 8-9 attempts at the rim and converting at a 66-70% rate. So you're saying Kobe has that sort of ability combined with his FAR superior jumpshooting and FT shooting?

He would be the undisputed GOAT, which knowing Kobe fan yall probably would say he IS the undisputed GOAT :oldlol:

but yeah, Kobe would be a career 30 ppg scorer on 50%+ shooting if that were the case and his Finals numbers would be much bette because he would have been able to dominate those great Eastern Conference defense like Wade did (04, 05 Pistons and the 2010 Celts etc.).

The facts don't bear out you people's Claims (Heavincent etc.)

/End thread

Kobe fans claiming Kobe is a much better shooter than Wade, and as good of a slasher :roll: :roll: :roll: (what a joke) yet he's about 1 PPG better for his career on much worse efficiency

[PJR]

There is seriosuly not a more deluded contingent of fans than that of Bryant fanatics. Still.

[tpols]

Wade's FT rate is .467 vs Kobe's .389

This. You have to compare the rate. Comparing free throws taken by I self is like looking at points just by itself. And I know Wade fans love looking at proportions (like fg) so you have to compare it relevant to how many shots they have attempted.. And kobes attempted a whole lot more and still averages less FTs.

When the rule changes set in in 2006 Wade's ft rate blew up while kobes stayed the same or actually got worse. D whis has obviously benefited more from refs Like harden kinda, although Wade's obviously a better player.. They just have playstyles that are good for grabbing refs attention and they know how to sell cheap contact better than most.

Kobe tries to score on you period. He doesn't fish for calls. If he got hit slightly, say on the arm, he will exaggerate it, yell make a commotion as a reaction. But he doesn't have that Wade, manu, harden mentality where he plays/plans ahead for the call.

[Akhenaten]

How is FT rate calculated?

[sbw19]

If this was the case there would me a much greater separation between the two player's statistically, in ppg and or FG%, and that's in their primes or career numbers

You're delusional...
Good essay. Here's the lowdown in case you missed it. Wade is better than Kobe as a slasher. He's not light years ahead of him in that department. If Wade's 100% as a slasher then Kobe was 85% in his prime imo. Make of it what you will. Slightly. Better. Clearly better. I don't care.

I've seen both players squashing #1 defenses in the playoffs when slashing to the basket. Ask Spurs fans, or better yet, hit the archives and watch the series. Kobe never slashed as much as Wade, true. Their games are different. Their styles, tendencies and shot selections are different.

I've always maintained Kobe's achilles heel (no pun intended) is his shot selection (I still do.) No amount of added slashing prowess would've changed that. It's in his bb genes that he pulls the trigger from anywhere and is what it is, the good and the bad. It doesn't look great a lot of times, but it won the Lakers 5 titles and they'll gladly accept it.

And I'll say this one more time, though I respect both I'm more of a Shaq fan than a Kobe fan. I happen to be a Wade fan as well. Disliked the *Heatles* but that's another story.

[aj1987]

There is seriosuly not a more deluded contingent of fans than that of Bryant fanatics. Still.
MJ stans.