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TonyMontana
12-19-2014, 03:32 AM
People love to overreact to names. Rajon Rondo is a name. But has anyone watched him recently?

He sucks.

What will he provide that the Mavs do not already have? ???

"On-ball defense"? is the only thing I can see him bringing. And is that worth depleting your team of servicable bigmen?

This trade does deplete Dallas of their best backup big, Brandon Wright. Who will fill the reserve for 35+ year old dirk and 30+ year old Tyson Chandler now? These arn't 40 MPG dudes in their 20s.

He will also hurt the spacing as neither him nor Monta Ellis can shoot threes at a decent clip. Rondo especially.

Definetly an overrated move and I doubt Dallas's win rate changes much. This certainly isn't a move to propel them in the standings.

Timmy D for MVP
12-19-2014, 03:34 AM
Rondo is not an improvement over their PG's?

You're right, it likely won't change their overall record too much.

But it's be awfully dumb to think it doesn't make this team more dangerous come spring.

keep-itreal
12-19-2014, 03:35 AM
Agreed. They have no backup center left.

Jameer Nelson can shoot unlike rajon rondo

theaussieguy
12-19-2014, 03:35 AM
leading the league in assists and he sucks, YEAH RIGHT OP, HAHAHAH GOOD ONE BRO, MUHAHHAHA YEAH BRO

keep-itreal
12-19-2014, 03:37 AM
leading the league in assists and he sucks, YEAH RIGHT OP, HAHAHAH GOOD ONE BRO, MUHAHHAHA YEAH BRO

empty stats

Inferno
12-19-2014, 03:38 AM
If they can grab O'Neal that'd be great

TonyMontana
12-19-2014, 03:39 AM
Agreed. They have no backup center left.

Jameer Nelson can shoot unlike rajon rondo

I wonder how many of these overreacting subhumans are even aware that Brandon Wright is averaging more PPG(8.8 PPG) than Rajon Rondo(8.3 PPG).

Holy ****

Mr. Jabbar
12-19-2014, 03:40 AM
my deep knowledge of the game and the hierarchy ranks tell me losing jameer alone was addition by subtraction, now u throw in rondo and its a win/win situation

keep-itreal
12-19-2014, 03:42 AM
I wonder how many of these overreacting subhumans are even aware that Brandon Wright is averaging more PPG(8.8 PPG) than Rajon Rondo(8.3 PPG).

Holy ****

b-b-but Rondo can pass! just like every other PG in this league!

Akrazotile
12-19-2014, 03:45 AM
I agree the move is a little bit overrated. I do think spacing may become an issue. Ellis already sets up his own shot or uses penetration to set up others. Putting the ball in Rondos hands would seem to negate Montas impact without really adding a whole lot. Mavs have good ball movement anyway, they dont necessarily need Rondo to set everyone up.

Who knows, it may work out swimmingly but right now it seems to raise more questions than it answers IMO.

bluechox2
12-19-2014, 03:48 AM
A couple of losses and Dallas would be sitting on the lottery side of the standings
This is the mighty west of course
Would be funny if they start going on a losing streak due to chemistry issues or unhappy lplayers having to adjust

Swaggin916
12-19-2014, 03:50 AM
Dirk and Chandler will play 35-40 min in the playoffs like every other good player that's older... that's what they did this move for. In a loaded west it only makes sense to make a move you think will get you over the hump.

Collie
12-19-2014, 03:52 AM
I agree the move is a little bit overrated. I do think spacing may become an issue. Ellis already sets up his own shot or uses penetration to set up others. Putting the ball in Rondos hands would seem to negate Montas impact without really adding a whole lot. Mavs have good ball movement anyway, they dont necessarily need Rondo to set everyone up.

Who knows, it may work out swimmingly but right now it seems to raise more questions than it answers IMO.

Monta Ellis performed fine with Baron Davis AND Stephen Jackson, who were very high usage players in GS. He should be fine, and I think Rick Carlisle is good enough to fit them both in. We're not talking about Mike Brown or Mike D'Antoni here.

In fact, Monta had his best season efficiency-wise (53% FG, 58% TS) with both Baron and SJax dropping 20 per game.

keep-itreal
12-19-2014, 03:57 AM
Dirk and Chandler will play 35-40 min in the playoffs like every other good player that's older... that's what they did this move for. In a loaded west it only makes sense to make a move you think will get you over the hump.

Right, let Chandler play heavy minutes every night while letting go your only back up center. Brilliant move:roll:

bluechox2
12-19-2014, 04:00 AM
Right, let Chandler play heavy minutes every night while letting go your only back up center. Brilliant move:roll:
One injury bug to this team during the season is enought to send them lottery bound in the stacked west

Heavincent
12-19-2014, 04:18 AM
They're very thin up front now...obviously Dirk and Chandler are great, but there's like nobody behind them. Greg Smith is essentially the only backup big man they have.

Their bench as a whole is kind of shitty tbh. Starting 5 is elite though.

STATUTORY
12-19-2014, 04:22 AM
same mistakes lakers made when they traded the farm for steve nash

SexSymbol
12-19-2014, 04:25 AM
This is the most lopsided trade of the century.
Rondo's the best pure point guard in the league, and the best all-around player

STATUTORY
12-19-2014, 04:27 AM
This is the most lopsided trade of the century.
Rondo's the best pure point guard in the league, and the best all-around player
best all around player with no jumpshot right

Relinquish
12-19-2014, 04:28 AM
This is the most lopsided trade of the century.
Rondo's the best pure point guard in the league, and the best all-around player

Your talent evaluation skills are not very good I've noticed.

SexSymbol
12-19-2014, 04:33 AM
best all around player with no jumpshot right
He scores when the team requires him too. He's way better than anybody at passing the ball and controlling the tempo, a superior defender to pretty much any but like two PGs, can rebound the ball with the best of them.

Milbuck
12-19-2014, 04:54 AM
You make valid points, but I think you're overestimating Rondo's weaknesses within the team and underestimating how much better he is than Nelson, Barea, Harris. I agree that Rondo's offensive skill-set isn't going to be in the ideal scenario, considering the Mavs like their spacing, ball movement, use many different schemes, have unselfish scoring/passing combo creators like Ellis etc..all components of an offense that can't thrive if Rondo needs the ball in his hands with regularity to be at his most effective. But I still think just having that option available, that go-to non scoring creator is a versatile tool to have. Ellis, Dirk, and Parson to an extent can make things happen and break down defenses to get others involved, primarily through their scoring..but there are gonna be nights when Dirk, Ellis, Parsons, are just having awful nights and especially so against tough playoff defenses like Memphis or in-form SA..the offense gets stagnant..Rondo just adds another dimension here, it would be pretty damn helpful to have someone like him who can re-ignite the offense, not by scoring but by actively looking to find teammates better looks.

Admittedly I haven't watched too much of Rondo...I find it hard to believe he's at his best right now..but I find it even harder to believe he "sucks". From what I've heard from C's fans he's more or less still Rondo. And if that's the case, there's no way I would just dismiss defense.. The Mavs want to get out of the Western conference, and to do that they're going to be facing PG match ups like Westbrook, Curry, CP3, Lillard, TP, Conley..literally 6 out of 7 possibilities are against a star level PG at worst (Conley), up to dominant top 5 players in the league (Westbrook, Curry). Rondo more often than not steps up in the playoffs, and I'm willing to bet under a quality coach like Carlisle, with his already existent defensive abilities, he can at the very least prevent Westbrook, Curry, etc from massacring the team over an entire playoff series.

You're on the money about the front court depth though. They're playing a dangerous game with putting that much trust in Dirk and Chandler. I'm not entirely sure they're doing that though..apparently they're looking at JO'Neal..maybe not the best option, but at least we know they're fully aware of that weakness, and they're actively looking to fix it. If this trade has made anything clear, it's that the Mavs front office is pretty damn smart and quick on their toes, I doubt they won't do anything.

Heavincent
12-19-2014, 04:59 AM
I like Rondo, but his FT shooting is gonna have Mavs fans like:

http://i.imgur.com/Jskrgd5.gif

andremiller07
12-19-2014, 05:07 AM
The Rondo/Chandler pick n roll is going to be dynamite, if there is one thing Rondo does extremely well it's that he find's guys who roll to the rim, he made Tyler Zeller look like a starting C the way he was feeding him. Chandler is as good as they come rolling to the rim, he should benefit from this more than any other Maverick.

R.I.P.
12-19-2014, 05:32 AM
I like Rondo, but his FT shooting is gonna have Mavs fans like:

http://i.imgur.com/Jskrgd5.gif

http://www.spox.com/de/sport/mehrsport/basketball/1109/Bilder/holger-geschwindner-dbb-514.jpg

Challenge accepted.

Harris has also translated his work on the practice court to games. He

salwan
12-19-2014, 05:34 AM
well, the mavs already are the best offensive team in the league, so it's legitimate to wonder about the move from a mavs standpoint.

would they be better off adding more perimeter defense and a backup D?

The Red Viper
12-19-2014, 06:06 AM
Rondo is a very good point guard. But, I am skeptical with this trade. Monta is at his best when he has the ball in his hands and can shoot coming off the dribble. He isn't a catch and shoot guy. This season, one of the main reasons why they were so good in the offensive end was because they recycled the ball very well and got everyone involved. Not entirely sure how that would happen now with an orthodox point guard like Rondo there now. But, I rate Rick Carlisle and am sure he will work something out.

veilside23
12-19-2014, 06:52 AM
in before rondo Average 3ple double in the playoffs...

dude is one of the best Pg's to rebound the basketball... assist wont be a problem .. he just need to score 10 pts.

WallIn
12-19-2014, 07:01 AM
Who cares about Jameer Nelson, they got a dude called Devin Harris coming from the bench who has seen better days but certainly isn't a scrub.

And as for the C, that's why they want Jermaine as a backup...Cuban is not an idiot.

Collie
12-19-2014, 07:10 AM
Rondo is a very good point guard. But, I am skeptical with this trade. Monta is at his best when he has the ball in his hands and can shoot coming off the dribble. He isn't a catch and shoot guy. This season, one of the main reasons why they were so good in the offensive end was because they recycled the ball very well and got everyone involved. Not entirely sure how that would happen now with an orthodox point guard like Rondo there now. But, I rate Rick Carlisle and am sure he will work something out.

Like I said in another thread, Monta HAS played with other great point guards like Baron Davis and Stephen Curry. The only time he performed badly was with a truly horrendous PG like Jennings. I think Monta will actually score the same but much more efficiently with Rondo.

T_L_P
12-19-2014, 07:15 AM
If they're getting the Rondo of the past two years, the Mavericks are worse.

If they get the Rondo who will play a team-first game, because he's on a competitive squad...then they get slightly better.

Collie
12-19-2014, 07:21 AM
If they're getting the Rondo of the past two years, the Mavericks are worse.

If they get the Rondo who will play a team-first game, because he's on a competitive squad...then they get slightly better.

It's a trade they really had to make. You look at the Dallas roster, and they weren't really gonna win anything with what they had. Rondo playing like his pre ACL days plus some free agent additions MIGHT be enough to get them to the top.

At worst, they let him walk at the end of the year if he's really terrible.

poido123
12-19-2014, 07:43 AM
Dallas making things happen.

Even if it doesn't come off, you got to like the bravery of Cuban.

Don't worry about Rondo fitting this team. He is a leader and a player who will get his offensive weapons in the best spots by years end. We know about his defense.

Only guy I would be concerned about is Ellis. He doesn't catch and shoot.

SpanishACB
12-19-2014, 07:47 AM
But has anyone watched him recently?



did you watch Pau Gasol last year?

StephHamann
12-19-2014, 07:48 AM
Only guy I would be concerned about is Ellis. He doesn't catch and shoot.

Wouldn't suprise me if Rick manages Ellis and Rondos minutes so they only play like 10 min together, rest of the time one or the other leads the backcourt.

poido123
12-19-2014, 08:04 AM
Wouldn't suprise me if Rick manages Ellis and Rondos minutes so they only play like 10 min together, rest of the time one or the other leads the backcourt.


It's good to have options.

Rondo adds so much more to this team. They are much better off IMO

All Net
12-19-2014, 08:10 AM
Better than having nelson run the point, no?

JohnnySic
12-19-2014, 08:13 AM
People have forgotten how good Rondo is. They'll be reminded soon enough.

Biggyd81
12-19-2014, 08:59 AM
This is the most lopsided trade of the century.
Rondo's the best pure point guard in the league, and the best all-around player

Turn it up.:biggums:

Im Still Ballin
12-19-2014, 09:05 AM
People have forgotten how good Rondo is. They'll be reminded soon enough.
This

He's a proven commodity

With and without good teammates

Just watch the plays he makes even with sub-par players

His passes are next level

There's Lebron passing

Then there's Rondo

He's just on another planet from everyone else in the league

Them long arms and big hands

Im Still Ballin
12-19-2014, 09:07 AM
And remember

Lebron gets alot of assists because he is such a threat himself

Rondo isn't Russel Westbrook

Yet he still finds the man

longtime lurker
12-19-2014, 09:23 AM
You idiots act like it's hard to find back up bigs. This move is definitely a game changer for Dallas.

Im Still Ballin
12-19-2014, 09:25 AM
Who knows as well

Dallas could sign Kirilenko eventually

Haymaker
12-19-2014, 09:57 AM
People have forgotten how good Rondo is. They'll be reminded soon enough.

This. Mavs fans acting like they traded for a bum.

StephHamann
12-19-2014, 10:15 AM
Let's not forget how horrible Nelson was.

http://i.imgur.com/hLNvIMW.png

If JO signs with the Mavs i'm 120% fine with our roster. Maybe Rashard Lewis returns after his injury.

Rondo/Barea
Ellis/Harris
Parsons/Aminu
Dirk/Lewis
Chandler/O'Neal

=Championship contender

pastis
12-19-2014, 10:27 AM
Let's not forget how horrible Nelson was.

http://i.imgur.com/hLNvIMW.png

If JO signs with the Mavs i'm 120% fine with our roster. Maybe Rashard Lewis returns after his injury.

Rondo/Barea
Ellis/Harris
Parsons/Aminu
Dirk/Lewis
Chandler/O'Neal

=Championship contender

still on the d-end not even top 15. for a deep playoff run, e.g. against gsw, okc, memphis you just need more defense. look, we only can handle teams like i mentioned by hitting everything...on the other hand, we just cant stop them on the defensive end.

why not kirilenko for aminu =D

r15mohd
12-19-2014, 10:39 AM
Let's not forget how horrible Nelson was.

http://i.imgur.com/hLNvIMW.png

If JO signs with the Mavs i'm 120% fine with our roster. Maybe Rashard Lewis returns after his injury.

Rondo/Barea
Ellis/Harris
Parsons/Aminu
Dirk/Lewis
Chandler/O'Neal

=Championship contender


Rashard Lewis is with the Mavs too?


The trade is a good one for the Mavs...you don't get any worse IMO, he is by far better than Nelson at PG and you really don't need Rondo to shoot at all, just to find the open man, which he is (arguably) the best at doing in the NBA

imagine if the Mavs had resigned VC15 in the offseason...that would of been an elite squad altogether, even at his age. serviceable backup SG/SF

TonyD
12-19-2014, 10:42 AM
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pastis
12-19-2014, 10:50 AM
http://s16.postimg.org/s82i4ryf9/map.png


im pretty sure if the poll would be like :" is Adolf Hitler still the leader of Germany" more than 70% of the US-Population would say "yes"

Budadiiii
12-19-2014, 11:36 AM
im pretty sure if the poll would be like :" is Adolf Hitler still the leader of Germany" more than 70% of the US-Population would say "yes"
Why are you pretty sure of that? You must be stupid.

kamil
12-19-2014, 12:00 PM
People love to overreact to names. Rajon Rondo is a name. But has anyone watched him recently?

He sucks.

What will he provide that the Mavs do not already have? ???

"On-ball defense"? is the only thing I can see him bringing. And is that worth depleting your team of servicable bigmen?

This trade does deplete Dallas of their best backup big, Brandon Wright. Who will fill the reserve for 35+ year old dirk and 30+ year old Tyson Chandler now? These arn't 40 MPG dudes in their 20s.

He will also hurt the spacing as neither him nor Monta Ellis can shoot threes at a decent clip. Rondo especially.

Definetly an overrated move and I doubt Dallas's win rate changes much. This certainly isn't a move to propel them in the standings.

Why are you so bitter?

kamil
12-19-2014, 12:03 PM
im pretty sure if the poll would be like :" is Adolf Hitler still the leader of Germany" more than 70% of the US-Population would say "yes"

LMAO, just like 43% of americans still thought Saddam Hussein was involved with the 9/11 attacks....

boozehound
12-19-2014, 12:20 PM
I agree the move is a little bit overrated. I do think spacing may become an issue. Ellis already sets up his own shot or uses penetration to set up others. Putting the ball in Rondos hands would seem to negate Montas impact without really adding a whole lot. Mavs have good ball movement anyway, they dont necessarily need Rondo to set everyone up.

Who knows, it may work out swimmingly but right now it seems to raise more questions than it answers IMO.
I tend to agree with this. You dont really need a ball dominant pg next to monta. Rondo is a better defender than their other options (even at this point), but his shaq-like ft and terrible outside shot could really hinder spacing (of course, the 2-4 are all solid to great outside shooters). It will be interesting to see how they replace wright's minutes.

CelticBaller
12-19-2014, 12:24 PM
You make valid points, but I think you're overestimating Rondo's weaknesses within the team and underestimating how much better he is than Nelson, Barea, Harris. I agree that Rondo's offensive skill-set isn't going to be in the ideal scenario, considering the Mavs like their spacing, ball movement, use many different schemes, have unselfish scoring/passing combo creators like Ellis etc..all components of an offense that can't thrive if Rondo needs the ball in his hands with regularity to be at his most effective. But I still think just having that option available, that go-to non scoring creator is a versatile tool to have. Ellis, Dirk, and Parson to an extent can make things happen and break down defenses to get others involved, primarily through their scoring..but there are gonna be nights when Dirk, Ellis, Parsons, are just having awful nights and especially so against tough playoff defenses like Memphis or in-form SA..the offense gets stagnant..Rondo just adds another dimension here, it would be pretty damn helpful to have someone like him who can re-ignite the offense, not by scoring but by actively looking to find teammates better looks.

Admittedly I haven't watched too much of Rondo...I find it hard to believe he's at his best right now..but I find it even harder to believe he "sucks". From what I've heard from C's fans he's more or less still Rondo. And if that's the case, there's no way I would just dismiss defense.. The Mavs want to get out of the Western conference, and to do that they're going to be facing PG match ups like Westbrook, Curry, CP3, Lillard, TP, Conley..literally 6 out of 7 possibilities are against a star level PG at worst (Conley), up to dominant top 5 players in the league (Westbrook, Curry). Rondo more often than not steps up in the playoffs, and I'm willing to bet under a quality coach like Carlisle, with his already existent defensive abilities, he can at the very least prevent Westbrook, Curry, etc from massacring the team over an entire playoff series.

You're on the money about the front court depth though. They're playing a dangerous game with putting that much trust in Dirk and Chandler. I'm not entirely sure they're doing that though..apparently they're looking at JO'Neal..maybe not the best option, but at least we know they're fully aware of that weakness, and they're actively looking to fix it. If this trade has made anything clear, it's that the Mavs front office is pretty damn smart and quick on their toes, I doubt they won't do anything.
You're a Celtics fan, aren't you? :applause:

GimmeThat
12-19-2014, 12:37 PM
when you go from no a&al to putting on a butt plug


you are always getting better.

DirkNowitzki41
12-19-2014, 01:02 PM
I'm curious... why do people act like we gave up so much?

Nelson was terrible for us, and Crowder could barely even get on the floor. BWright hurts to lose because he was great off the bench, but let's be real, he struggled against big front court players and couldn't play against Memphis/SAS/LAC, etc. or else he would've been a huge liability.

I love Wright and hate to see him go, but it's for Rajon freakin Rondo... you take this deal 10/10.

Rebounding and perimeter D are our biggest weaknesses and Rondo helps. How much? Who knows, but he is going to help for sure.

Parsons/Tyson/Dirk will immediately get better.. Monta is going to take some time for him and RR to gel, but for all we know, he may do even better.

Overall, we get better. The plan is to win now, and this was a move that had to be done. If Rondo gets back to form, and Ellis stays just as effective.. watch out.

pastis
12-19-2014, 01:32 PM
I'm curious... why do people act like we gave up so much?

Nelson was terrible for us, and Crowder could barely even get on the floor. BWright hurts to lose because he was great off the bench, but let's be real, he struggled against big front court players and couldn't play against Memphis/SAS/LAC, etc. or else he would've been a huge liability.

I love Wright and hate to see him go, but it's for Rajon freakin Rondo... you take this deal 10/10.

Rebounding and perimeter D are our biggest weaknesses and Rondo helps. How much? Who knows, but he is going to help for sure.

Parsons/Tyson/Dirk will immediately get better.. Monta is going to take some time for him and RR to gel, but for all we know, he may do even better.

Overall, we get better. The plan is to win now, and this was a move that had to be done. If Rondo gets back to form, and Ellis stays just as effective.. watch out.


[I]"Rondo has never been the alpha dog on a good NBA offense. The C

Wally450
12-19-2014, 02:51 PM
People love to overreact to names. Rajon Rondo is a name. But has anyone watched him recently?

He sucks.

What will he provide that the Mavs do not already have? ???

"On-ball defense"? is the only thing I can see him bringing. And is that worth depleting your team of servicable bigmen?

This trade does deplete Dallas of their best backup big, Brandon Wright. Who will fill the reserve for 35+ year old dirk and 30+ year old Tyson Chandler now? These arn't 40 MPG dudes in their 20s.

He will also hurt the spacing as neither him nor Monta Ellis can shoot threes at a decent clip. Rondo especially.

Definetly an overrated move and I doubt Dallas's win rate changes much. This certainly isn't a move to propel them in the standings.

Stopped reading right there.

#PlayoffTripleDoubles

bdreason
12-19-2014, 03:04 PM
They're going to have to change their offense. The PG position has pretty much been a spot up shooter for the Mavs this season... and obviously Rondo can't fill that role. I'm not saying it isn't going to work, but I'm interested to see how Carlisle incorporates a ball dominant, non-shooter, like Rondo.

r15mohd
12-19-2014, 03:07 PM
They're going to have to change their offense. The PG position has pretty much been a spot up shooter for the Mavs this season... and obviously Rondo can't fill that role. I'm not saying it isn't going to work, but I'm interested to see how Carlisle incorporates a ball dominant, non-shooter, like Rondo.


penetrate and dish...same way he did it for the C's with the Big3

Le Shaqtus
12-19-2014, 03:07 PM
They absolutely get better with this trade... They can't not get better.

Dro
12-19-2014, 03:09 PM
empty stats
:coleman:

stalkerforlife
12-19-2014, 03:12 PM
Losing the depth is concerning. Crowder and Wright were great off the bench. Rondo is the best player involved, but Dirk, Chandler and the boys will need viable backups.

Time will tell.

SwishSquared
12-19-2014, 03:18 PM
Carlisle is going to figure this out. Can anybody tell us if Rondo was maybe not going all-out due to the rebuilding direction of the Cs? I haven't watched nearly enough. Apparently defensively he has slipped as he's aged, but he is a competitive dude. Considering he's also at best the 4th option in the starting line-up will help him imo. He thrives when he has legit options that can score around him and he focuses on moving the ball. I've heard that he's hesitant in shooting the ball in the paint to avoid FTs since he's shooting them so poorly. Mavs apparently make all players consult with a sports psychologist regularly, so maybe he can get his head right.

Regarding the lack of big man depth, I honestly wouldn't be shocked if KG gets a buyout and comes to Dallas. Idk if the Nets would work with him considering what they gave up to get him, but he'd help solidify that big man rotation.

Somebody mentioned R. Lewis, who could be a nice vet addition over what they currently have. Are they gonna release Powell? I wonder if they'll look at Quincy Miller or maybe Delfino if he gets healthy in time for the playoffs to add wing depth. What about Raduljica? Maybe work out Faveroni? Jermaine O'Neal could be a good pick up but I wonder if he's healthy yet.

bdreason
12-19-2014, 03:18 PM
penetrate and dish...same way he did it for the C's with the Big3


But that's not how the Mavs have been playing, so an adjustment is going to have to be made. Mavs have been spacing the court, running through Dirk on the high post, and using ball movement to create open shots and open driving lanes.

r15mohd
12-19-2014, 03:20 PM
But that's not how the Mavs have been playing, so an adjustment is going to have to be made. Mavs have been spacing the court, running through Dirk on the high post, and using ball movement to create open shots and open driving lanes.

only now you have an elite passer and one more wing threat...before it was Monta dishing to Dirk/Parson for the most part. much different when Rondo has the options of Dirk/Parsons/Ellis, who are all long range threats

HurricaneKid
12-19-2014, 03:27 PM
Ellis, long range threat

:biggums:

HurricaneKid
12-19-2014, 03:34 PM
only now you have an elite passer and one more wing threat...before it was Monta dishing to Dirk/Parson for the most part. much different when Rondo has the options of Dirk/Parsons/Ellis, who are all long range threats

The Celtics have been better offensively with Rondo on the pine for two years running.

When Rondo led the attack with 3 surefire HoFers the best they managed was #11 in the NBA in offense. Dallas is currently #1. AND ITS NOT CLOSE.

Ellis initiates the attack and everyone else around him can shoot. Having Rondo is redundant. He isn't as good as Monta on the PnR and cannot shoot nearly as well from 3 as Harris/Jameer. The Mavs have imitated, with GREAT SUCCESS, the Spurs ball movement offense. Rondo has historically been the antithesis of that; he dribbles the ball for 15 sec and may or may not get a teammate a shot. Its why there was such limited demand for Rondo's services.

Rondoball<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Current Mavs O

He is going to need to be outstanding on the defensive end to make this team the same as it was without him. And he is going to have to move without the ball far better than he ever has to not completely sidetrack the offense.

j3lademaster
12-19-2014, 04:31 PM
I don't really understand why the C's want Wright. 26 per, .762 TS, .27 ws/48 all for just 5 mil this season. He's what you add to a contender, wouldn't a rebuilding team want to load up on overpaid expirers? inb4 Ainge is 2 steps ahead of me and trades him for 3x his value at the deadline

SwishSquared
12-19-2014, 05:37 PM
I don't really understand why the C's want Wright. 26 per, .762 TS, .27 ws/48 all for just 5 mil this season. He's what you add to a contender, wouldn't a rebuilding team want to load up on overpaid expirers? inb4 Ainge is 2 steps ahead of me and trades him for 3x his value at the deadline
Agree with white text. I'd be surprised if he isn't re-packaged on deadline day to a contender for some pick (maybe a high second) and/or young guy. I could see something like T-Rob + a second for him or something.

DMAVS41
12-19-2014, 06:27 PM
I really don't know if we get any better currently, but I do know a few things:

1. The Mavs roster before the trade had a 0 percent chance to win the title. Anyone saying that the league was wide open for them doesn't know this Mavs team.

2. We were going to lose Wright for sure this off season regardless.

3. Jae Crowder is not a "move the needle" type player. He's a solid all around player that could be the 9th man or so on a title team.

4. Rondo is better than Jameer Nelson by a considerable margin.

5. Rondo is not nearly as good defensively as a lot of casual fans think...however, he has the potential to be far better defensively and as a player overall within this Mavs culture than he has been.

6. Mavs now have the inside track to sign Rondo if this works.


So...I'm not seeing the downside of losing Wright when he's gone this summer regardless and any Mavs fan/insider would tell you that current team was not winning the title.

The upside is clear. Rondo could find his form/fire again...we make a run this year and then get even better moving guys around this summer.

Downside is that it all blows up and we miss the playoffs...possible, but unlikely and I don't care much, at this point, getting smoked in round 1 vs missing the playoffs.

To put it simply...Rondo's upside to potentially transform this team to a legit contender trumps any potential negatives given that without the trade....we were a cooked team anyway.

Smoke117
12-19-2014, 06:32 PM
If Chandler or Nowitzki get hurt/injured (which is more likely than not at their ages and with Chandlers history) the Mavs are going to be reeling. They don't have any semblance of depth in the front court anymore and we are still very early into the season. I can see why they did it of course...they are built to win right now so it makes sense to go for it...but it has the potential to be a disaster.

Rolando
12-19-2014, 08:42 PM
This whole thread don't matter. Everyfrikkenbody will be watching Rondo when he plays his first game and every game after that. He will crush this. His BBIQ is off the damn charts.

You don't understand what is about to happen. Rondo has come to town!

DMAVS41
12-19-2014, 09:17 PM
If Chandler or Nowitzki get hurt/injured (which is more likely than not at their ages and with Chandlers history) the Mavs are going to be reeling. They don't have any semblance of depth in the front court anymore and we are still very early into the season. I can see why they did it of course...they are built to win right now so it makes sense to go for it...but it has the potential to be a disaster.

Yea...I agree with this.

But...A long term injury to Chandler or Dirk...even without the trade, would have killed us regardless.

So the downside really is slim.

TonyMontana
04-22-2015, 12:39 AM
BUMP!

Rajon Rondo is a bad fit for almost all teams, he sucks.

And to think people were calling this team the best starting 5 in the league when they traded for him.

knicksman
04-22-2015, 12:58 AM
their problem is same as pelicans. Too much redundancy. If they took chandler for scoring then its really time to trade ellis for a defender. Ellis makes chandler and rondo useless while not capable of defending. Besides ellis was a known loser so why is he being the no. 1 option on that team.

navy
04-22-2015, 12:59 AM
their problem is same as pelicans. Too much redundancy. If they took chandler for scoring then its really time to trade ellis for a defender. Ellis makes chandler and rondo useless while not capable of defending. Besides ellis was a known loser so why is he being the no. 1 option on that team.
Ellis lead a team to the number 1 offense.

Rondo leads teams to the worst offenses in the league.

Ellis >>>> Rondo

SaltyMeatballs
04-22-2015, 12:59 AM
If they're getting the Rondo of the past two years, the Mavericks are worse.

If they get the Rondo who will play a team-first game, because he's on a competitive squad...then they get slightly better.
Turns out they got the worst version of Rondo... probably ever :oldlol: :oldlol:

BasedTom
04-22-2015, 01:03 AM
Tony the wizard :applause: :applause: :applause:

Human Error
04-22-2015, 01:12 AM
Their offense went from historically great to horrible after the addition of Rondo. I am glad a lot of idiots are being exposed in this thread, and it does not surprise me that they are always the same idiots who get exposed in other threads as well.

Lensanity
04-22-2015, 02:31 AM
BUMP!

Rajon Rondo is a bad fit for almost all teams, he sucks.

And to think people were calling this team the best starting 5 in the league when they traded for him.
:bowdown: :applause:

oarabbus
04-22-2015, 02:35 AM
Scarface called it.

Why the **** do the Mavs have Ellis, Rondo, Barea, AND Felton? :biggums:

Heavincent
04-22-2015, 02:38 AM
I like Rondo, but his FT shooting is gonna have Mavs fans like:

http://i.imgur.com/Jskrgd5.gif

I imagine this is what Mavs fans have been doing since the trade, and it's not just because of his FT shooting.