Mavs fan here-why I hate the Rondo trade and why it is terrible

[masonanddixon]

First and foremost, Rondo has a dominant personality. That works well when you're the best or second best guy on the team but on Dallas there's two guys clearly better and another (Parsons) that I would argue is better. I don't know how well he will mesh with these guys.

Here's the main issue-he's taking the ball out of Monta's hands. Monta is having an MVP-caliber or slightly below MVP caliber level season and every time the ball is in his hands good things happen. I am very worried that this will affect his confidence and production.

Next-Rondo sucks at shooting. All the Mavs need at the PG spot is a steady hand and a distributor. They didn't get that.

Losing Wright-this hurts. He's good for 10-12 easy high percentage buckets a game and can get the opposition in foul trouble with his above the rim play. Now the Mavs lose that and an already thin frontcourt.

[dunksby]

Let me guess, they should have traded for Dragic?

[ThatCoolKid]

Wright was scorin 20-24 points a night :biggums:

[masonanddixon]

Let me guess, they should have traded for Dragic?

Nah they should have kept the same core and let them continue to improve.

Dragic and Monta is redundant.

[masonanddixon]

Wright was scorin 20-24 points a night :biggums:

Shit I mean 6-7 buckets.

[pastis]

First and foremost, Rondo has a dominant personality. That works well when you're the best or second best guy on the team but on Dallas there's two guys clearly better and another (Parsons) that I would argue is better. I don't know how well he will mesh with these guys.

Here's the main issue-he's taking the ball out of Monta's hands. Monta is having an MVP-caliber or slightly below MVP caliber level season and every time the ball is in his hands good things happen. I am very worried that this will affect his confidence and production.

Next-Rondo sucks at shooting. All the Mavs need at the PG spot is a steady hand and a distributor. They didn't get that.

Losing Wright-this hurts. He's good for 10-12 easy high percentage buckets a game and can get the opposition in foul trouble with his above the rim play. Now the Mavs lose that and an already thin frontcourt.

you are so right. rondos personality is risky. he culd destroy teams la familia atmosphere. and dont forget that rondo is by far not the all-defense rondo anymore. people forget about that.

[masonanddixon]

you are so right. rondos personality is risky. he culd destroy teams la familia atmosphere. and dont forget that rondo is by far not the all-defense rondo anymore. people forget about that.

I mean I think he knows he's at best the 3rd best player on the team now.

But the move makes no sense. Any move that takes the ball out of Monta's hands is a horrible move.

[keep-itreal]

I've been saying the trade happen that Rondo can't shoot. But apparently that helps make the team better according to some dumb ****s on ish:roll:

[pastis]

I mean I think he knows he's at best the 3rd best player on the team now.

But the move makes no sense. Any move that takes the ball out of Monta's hands is a horrible move.

only hope is that rondo will have a "monta-modification" like monta had from "bucks-monta" to "dallas-monta". dirk can make everything happen.

hopefully rondo was just pissed to play in a EC lottery team....

[dirkdiggler41]

I disagree. Monta is playing great, but he handles the ball too much. When he plays its more iso then team play. That will not work as well during the playoffs. He cant run our offense, and none of the pointguards we got are good enough to run it, till now. I also dont trust Nelon/Harris/Barea against the splash brothers, Westbrook or CP3.

[masonanddixon]

only hope is that rondo will have a "monta-modification" like monta had from "bucks-monta" to "dallas-monta". dirk can make everything happen.

hopefully rondo was just pissed to play in a EC lottery team....

I feel like Monta was only that way because his teams were so shitty.

I mean he transformed himself within about a month into the 2013-2014 season. And the way he's completely dominated this season leads me to believe he had the complete game all along but couldn't show it because he was forced to take terrible shots on terrible teams

[ThatCoolKid]

only hope is that rondo will have a "monta-modification" like monta had from "bucks-monta" to "dallas-monta". dirk can make everything happen.

hopefully rondo was just pissed to play in a EC lottery team....

Yeah, Rondo has always been a better player when the spotlight was brighter. He obviously turns his game on and off depending on whether he gives a f, maybe he was tanking with the Celtics.

Hard to think a guy who can torch the Miami Heat like this in the playoffs isn't capable of averaging 10 ppg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N90C-mdaVzQ

[masonanddixon]

I disagree. Monta is playing great, but he handles the ball too much. When he plays its more iso then team play. That will not work as well during the playoffs. He cant run our offense, and none of the pointguards we got are good enough to run it, till now. I also dont trust Nelon/Harris/Barea against the splash brothers, Westbrook or CP3.

His pick and roll with Dirk is incredible. He gets to the basket at will on his own.

Also he was a beast in the postseason against the Spurs and has been balling out in 4th quarters all season long. In the 4th quarter I want the ball in Monta's hands on every possession.

[masonanddixon]

I've been saying the trade happen that Rondo can't shoot. But apparently that helps make the team better according to some dumb ****s on ish:roll:

yeah I guess if he plays good defense it's a step up from Nelson, etc. But he will be terrible for the spacing.

[dunksby]

Even if Rondo is a horrible shooter, there are plenty of shooters on Dallas to make up for it. I don't think Rondo objects to taking less shots and passing more.

[masonanddixon]

1st issue:

Rondo played well with guys who were clearly better than him with KG and Pierce (and arguably Allen). He's a guy who can amplify other people's talents, but can't be THE GUY. He won't have to in Dallas.

2nd issue:

Monta has proven that he can play with other ball dominant players. He thrived in GS with Baron Davis, SJax and Curry. He posted his most efficient season WITH Sjax and Baron both averaging 20 ppg. And the thing is, Rondo is a pass first PG, unlike those guys who looked to score.

3rd issue:

Rondo is a decent midrange shooter (a good read on that: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/rajon-rondo-boston-celtics-trade-free-agent/) He's just a bad three point shooter. He's not as bad a scorer as he's shown this year. Might be because Boston asked him to do too much, but he's clearly better than this.

4th issue:

Losing Brandan sucks. But he wasn't gonna accomplish anything in the playoffs anyway, where they really need him. And he's a small price to pay to get Rondo. Even if he just plays at 70% of his pre injury play.


Wright was 10-12 EASY points a game. I mean like as in just throw the ball up and he'll catch it and dunk it. Thats not easy to replace. Dirk is strictly a pick and pop guy at this stage in the game.

Sure Rondo is nice but you have to worry about how it will impact Monta's confidence.

[Hittin_Shots]

No idea how it's gonna go, looking forward to Dallas vs spurs

Also finally get to see Rondo play with another centre not a power forward in centre clothing. Old ads shas with Rondo feeding him was beasting before injuries

[masonanddixon]

No idea how it's gonna go, looking forward to Dallas vs spurs

Are you the guy in Tasmania?

[plowking]

Here's the main issue-he's taking the ball out of Monta's hands. Monta is having an MVP-caliber or slightly below MVP caliber level season and every time the ball is in his hands good things happen.

Da f*ck kind of basketball do you watch where you criticize players like Anthony Davis, Cousins, and then in turn call players like Monta MVP caliber, Gordon Hayward top 10, and Parsons better than Rondo.

Your knowledge of basketball is just shithouse.

[theaussieguy]

Firstly Rondo is criminally underrated

Secondly, this isn't hot headed young Rondo of the past, he has clearly matured a lot, geling will not be an issue

[masonanddixon]

Da f*ck kind of basketball do you watch where you criticize players like Anthony Davis, Cousins, and then in turn call players like Monta MVP caliber, Gordon Hayward top 10, and Parsons better than Rondo.

Your knowledge of basketball is just shithouse.

lol what? I am a huge Davis and Cousins fan.

[masonanddixon]

Firstly Rondo is criminally underrated

Secondly, this isn't hot headed young Rondo of the past, he has clearly matured a lot, geling will not be an issue

I just don't see how the move makes the squad any better. I guess we'll see. All I know is that I want Monta handling the ball when it matters most

[plowking]

lol what? I am a huge Davis and Cousins fan.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10540385&postcount=38

You called Jonas Valanciunas a better player than Cousins.

This forum is littered with copious amounts of your stupid opinions and posts. Most of them racist, or if not, stupid.


Cousins sucks, he's just a center version of Adul Rahim, putting up big numbers on a garbage team because someone has to score. he sucks on defense and can't score within the flow of the offense. Oh, and he's also a mental midget.

Another one of your brilliant posts in the same thread right after calling Jonas the better player.

Any player that seems to have a slightly higher melanin count doesn't seem to be as good a player in your book. :oldlol:

[masonanddixon]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10540385&postcount=38

You called Jonas Valanciunas a better player than Cousins.

This forum is littered with copious amounts of your stupid opinions and posts. Most of them racist, or if not, stupid.



Another one of your brilliant posts in the same thread right after calling Jonas the better player.

Any player that seems to have a slightly higher melanin count doesn't seem to be as good a player in your book. :oldlol:

That was before the season started. I'm been on the Boogie Train all of December, son.

[plowking]

That was before the season started. I'm been on the Boogie Train all of December, son.

Boogie was better in his rookie season than Jonas is now. Your post is stupid regardless of when it was made. Jonas has never been a better basketball player.

[masonanddixon]

Boogie was better in his rookie season than Jonas is now. Your post is stupid regardless of when it was made. Jonas has never been a better basketball player.

Jonas has a lot of upside. Eventually he'll surpass Cousins, but for now Demarcus is better.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I like the trade. Sure Dallas' bench gets a little worse, but their starting unit is damn near flawless, far as intangibles and skills go.

I expect Rondo's assists to skyrocket.

[bigt]

Are you the guy in Tasmania?

Do you mean me? Not sure if there's another Tasmanian on the board or not

[kurple]

2nd issue:

Monta has proven that he can play with other ball dominant players. He thrived in GS with Baron Davis, SJax and Curry. He posted his most efficient season WITH Sjax and Baron both averaging 20 ppg. And the thing is, Rondo is a pass first PG, unlike those guys who looked to score.
dude, come on

monta was considered a cancer and career looser before he came to dallas. where he didnt have to share the ball handeling duties with anyone

[masonanddixon]

Do you mean me? Not sure if there's another Tasmanian on the board or not

Yeah you.

I'm probably moving to Launceston next year. How did you get into the NBA?

[Biggyd81]

Rondo is washed up.

[kenny817]

We gave up two BUMS in Wright and Crowder...a decent PG in Jameer....and two draft picks we would have ruined anyway. No doubt we would have drafted two bums

All of this for a superstar. Two people on the bench and Jameer Nelson.

And people are bitching about it. Y'all are letting B Wright's flashy easy lob dunks cloud your judgment. He plays no D, is too thin to guard ANYONE in the post, and sucks at rebounding. Hell, Rondo is 10x the rebounder that B Wright is.

We really have the dumbest fans in the NBA man smh

[kenny817]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10540385&postcount=38

You called Jonas Valanciunas a better player than Cousins.

This forum is littered with copious amounts of your stupid opinions and posts. Most of them racist, or if not, stupid.



Another one of your brilliant posts in the same thread right after calling Jonas the better player.

Any player that seems to have a slightly higher melanin count doesn't seem to be as good a player in your book. :oldlol:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Dem factual proofs yup...dem factual doe

[masonanddixon]

We gave up two BUMS in Wright and Crowder...a decent PG in Jameer....and two draft picks we would have ruined anyway. No doubt we would have drafted two bums

All of this for a superstar. Two people on the bench and Jameer Nelson.

And people are bitching about it. Y'all are letting B Wright's flashy easy lob dunks cloud your judgment. He plays no D, is too thin to guard ANYONE in the post, and sucks at rebounding. Hell, Rondo is 10x the rebounder that B Wright is.

We really have the dumbest fans in the NBA man smh

Superstar? Rondo is an average PG in today's NBA.

[bigt]

Yeah you.

I'm probably moving to Launceston next year. How did you get into the NBA?

No kidding? That's where I'm based in, though I travel a bit for university. I knew a little bit about it as a kid and growing up in the nineties and the Jordan era, but didn't get into the NBA properly until I played a game or two with some friends and enjoying it enough to want to play more (I was getting sick of the long hours standing in the sun with cricket). Quickly fell in love with both playing and watching, soaked up as much as I could online and through Foxtel, now I'm getting my dose through Ballstreams and playing in a social league.

[masonanddixon]

No kidding? That's where I'm based in, though I travel a bit for university. I knew a little bit about it as a kid and growing up in the nineties and the Jordan era, but didn't get into the NBA properly until I played a game or two with some friends and enjoying it enough to want to play more (I was getting sick of the long hours standing in the sun with cricket). Quickly fell in love with both playing and watching, soaked up as much as I could online and through Foxtel, now I'm getting my dose through Ballstreams and playing in a social league.

Hell yes, it's a beautiful city in the only most beautiful Australian state there is.

The only negative is it's hard to catch the games when I am at work. I have to hope the playoffs games are the early morning starts.

Are there many leagues in Tasmania?

[bigt]

Hell yes, it's a beautiful city in the only most beautiful Australian state there is.

The only negative is it's hard to catch the games when I am at work. I have to hope the playoffs games are the early morning starts.

Are there many leagues in Tasmania?

Yeah games being on in the day is a real pain, thankfully though there are plenty of 'em. The big games being Western Conferences ones kill the early morning situation though haha.

The good news is if you want to play Launceston is pretty good, there's quite a few social and more serious leagues to join depending on your skill level and interest, especially compared to Hobart. Just depends what you're after really.

[The JKidd Kid]

Shit I mean 6-7 buckets.

... He only averages 8 PPG I think you're overrating his value.

[The JKidd Kid]

We gave up two BUMS in Wright and Crowder...a decent PG in Jameer....and two draft picks we would have ruined anyway. No doubt we would have drafted two bums

All of this for a superstar. Two people on the bench and Jameer Nelson.

And people are bitching about it. Y'all are letting B Wright's flashy easy lob dunks cloud your judgment. He plays no D, is too thin to guard ANYONE in the post, and sucks at rebounding. Hell, Rondo is 10x the rebounder that B Wright is.

We really have the dumbest fans in the NBA man smh

IMO with the way Dallas drafts players they gave up nothing of value in this trade. However, is rondo the best fit with this Dallas team? Who knows. Maybe he will take away shots from Monta but maybe he ends up having great chemistry with everyone on the team and elevates them to a whole new level. And we've all seen what Rondo can do in the playoffs. Also Rondos lack of shooting won't hurt Dallas as much as it would hurt other teams because they have the greatest stretch 4 of all time in Dirk. I just hope that Rondo being on the floor doesn't force Monta to take more 3s because that's exactly what he shouldn't be doing. Personally if I were the coach and gm I wouldn't have traded for player that could potentially ruin the chemistry between Monta and Dirk but I trust Rick Carlisle to make it work.

[ballup]

Rondo P&R with Chandler or P&P with Dirk will be deadly. Ellis and Rondo may not be the peak speed demons they once were, but they are still extremely fast. Their fast breaks between the two of them will be crazy.

Ellis will have to play off ball more, but he will be given the ball at times do create for himself.

[jzek]

Yea Dude But Dose Triple Doubles Though Yo!

[Demitri98]

Wright was scorin 20-24 points a night :biggums:
He hasn't had a single 20 point game this season :biggums:

[ralph_i_el]

If Rondo is healthy, I think it's a good move.

His stock has fallen so much the past few years, but he's barely been on the court and even when he did play, his team wasn't trying to win anything.

We may see a rejuvenated Rondo now that he's in games that matter.

Also his midrange J has actually been really good. It's 3's he can't shoot.

[Myth]

Here's the main issue-he's taking the ball out of Monta's hands. Monta is having an MVP-caliber or slightly below MVP caliber level season and every time the ball is in his hands good things happen. I am very worried that this will affect his confidence and production.

He is having a great season, but let's not confuse all-star caliber seasons with MVP caliber seasons here.

[moaz]

oh just shut up please (not you personally, but all self hating mavs fans). Were the Mavs the no. 1 candidate to win it all with wright/jameer/crowder before this trade?
And, what is the worst thing that could happen? that we suck again and end up around 6-10th in west have yet another late 1st pick for next year? This is the Mavs story for the last 15 years (- 2011), it is not a new experience.

I see the trade like this: Rondo is better than Jameer and Felton, Mavs have time to sign a big bench warmer, I trust that Carlisle has a positive impact on players, and if everything goes wrong, at least our loses will be highly entertaining.

So just calm down and enjoy the ride

[The JKidd Kid]

He is having a great season, but let's not confuse all-star caliber seasons with MVP caliber seasons here.

This. Even Lebron fvcking James himself isn't having an MVP caliber season this year let alone Monta Ellis who might not even make the All Star Team.

[Nets fan 93]

I agree. Thought about that instantly. It's a great trade for what they gave up. But will he and Monta mesh?

[Mass Debator]

Monta is a volume shooter. If he don't get his touches, he's gonna go back to the days when he was known as a chucker taking bad shots instead of a player who can make great plays.

However, Rondo is a guy who can win at least 1 game by himself in a playoff series. Let's hope personalities and roles don't clash.

[tontoz]

OP is high if he thinks Monta is in the MVP discussion.

[hawksdogsbraves]

oh just shut up please (not you personally, but all self hating mavs fans). Were the Mavs the no. 1 candidate to win it all with wright/jameer/crowder before this trade?
And, what is the worst thing that could happen? that we suck again and end up around 6-10th in west have yet another late 1st pick for next year? This is the Mavs story for the last 15 years (- 2011), it is not a new experience.

I see the trade like this: Rondo is better than Jameer and Felton, Mavs have time to sign a big bench warmer, I trust that Carlisle has a positive impact on players, and if everything goes wrong, at least our loses will be highly entertaining.

So just calm down and enjoy the ride

I completely agree. The Mavs were looking at a first round exit in the West this year. They can argue about how they took the Spurs to 7 games all they want, but they simply were not a better team than the Spurs, Clippers, Warriors, Thunder, or even Rockets.

It's not a guarantee that Rondo will make the team better, but he has played incredible basketball on a team build similarly to this one with great shooters and scorers spread around him, and you got him for cents on the dollar.

Also, Monta Ellis having an MVP caliber season? Please, it's the same old Monta just having a good start. He probably isn't even an All-Star.

[DirkNowitzki41]

OP is high if he thinks Monta is in the MVP discussion.

Klay is in the discussion, right? So why not?

[DirkNowitzki41]

I completely agree. The Mavs were looking at a first round exit in the West this year. They can argue about how they took the Spurs to 7 games all they want, but they simply were not a better team than the Spurs, Clippers, Warriors, Thunder, or even Rockets.

It's not a guarantee that Rondo will make the team better, but he has played incredible basketball on a team build similarly to this one with great shooters and scorers spread around him, and you got him for cents on the dollar.

Also, Monta Ellis having an MVP caliber season? Please, it's the same old Monta just having a good start. He probably isn't even an All-Star.

It's not him having a good start, it's been the same since he came to Dallas. :confusedshrug: 20ppg 5apg. Thats him. All-star caliber.

[boozehound]

First and foremost, Rondo has a dominant personality. That works well when you're the best or second best guy on the team but on Dallas there's two guys clearly better and another (Parsons) that I would argue is better. I don't know how well he will mesh with these guys.

Here's the main issue-he's taking the ball out of Monta's hands. Monta is having an MVP-caliber or slightly below MVP caliber level season and every time the ball is in his hands good things happen. I am very worried that this will affect his confidence and production.

Next-Rondo sucks at shooting. All the Mavs need at the PG spot is a steady hand and a distributor. They didn't get that.

Losing Wright-this hurts. He's good for 10-12 easy high percentage buckets a game and can get the opposition in foul trouble with his above the rim play. Now the Mavs lose that and an already thin frontcourt.
weird that you say he has to be the a or b on a team. He worked pretty well with KG, pierce and allen, all of whom are dominant personalities.

[hawksdogsbraves]

It's not him having a good start, it's been the same since he came to Dallas. :confusedshrug: 20ppg 5apg. Thats him. All-star caliber.

Fine, but it certainly isn't MVP caliber.

[tontoz]

Klay is in the discussion, right? So why not?

I haven't heard of Klay being in the MVP discussion at all. He isn't even in the MVP discussion for just his own team.

But he is definitely ahead of Monta. He is a good defender while Monta is a bad one. Plus he scores with much better efficiency.

[The JKidd Kid]

It's not him having a good start, it's been the same since he came to Dallas. :confusedshrug: 20ppg 5apg. Thats him. All-star caliber.

Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul, Klay Thompson, Damian Lillard and now possibly his own team mate in Rondo are all above him on the All Star totem poll for guards. So no he is by no means an All Star this season.

[The JKidd Kid]

Klay is in the discussion, right? So why not?

:biggums:
Klay isn't even the MVP of his own team. You're really trying to milk this for all it's worth aren't you?

[stephanieg]

I still remember when people said Rondo only looks good because he can pass to 3 HOFers and shooters like Posey.

[hawksdogsbraves]

I still remember when people said Rondo only looks good because he can pass to 3 HOFers and shooters like Posey.

Well they're going to be saying that again if Dallas doesn't make a playoff run this postseason.

[Wally450]

I still remember when people said Rondo only looks good because he can pass to 3 HOFers and shooters like Posey.


And how when he continued to put up numbers with scrub teammates people said he had the green light to do whatever he wants.

Dallas is getting a great player in Rondo. Gonna drop dimes with this lineup. He'll get his scoring in too. Come playoff time though, watchout!

#PlayoffTripleDoubles

[GimmeThat]

Not many 2 guards can pair with rondo which is quite true

But unless the Mavs could land someone like cp3 after missing out on d-will

[jimmy77x]

And how when he continued to put up numbers with scrub teammates people said he had the green light to do whatever he wants.

Dallas is getting a great player in Rondo. Gonna drop dimes with this lineup. He'll get his scoring in too. Come playoff time though, watchout!

#PlayoffTripleDoubles

100% wrong :roll: :roll:

[Pushxx]

100% wrong :roll: :roll:

Didn't matter that it was a poor trade: Rick Carlisle and Rondo were oil and water.

[FKAri]

#PlayoffTripleDoubles

:roll: :roll: :roll: