What makes ISH people think Derrick Rose is inarguably better than Damian Lillard?

[Human Error]

The general consensus here is Derrick Rose is much better than Damian Lillard. I don't get it. Lillard is more polished overall and is a more reliable scorer with combination of outside shooting and ability to get to the rim. I don't know why Lillard is considered as a second fiddle talent here compared to Rose.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I see people here listing Lillard over Rose a lot on their top PGs lists


then again, i think a lot of them just disregard rose because he doesn't play much

[christian1923]

The general consensus here is Derrick Rose is much better than Damian Lillard. I don't get it. Lillard is more polished overall and is a more reliable scorer with combination of outside shooting and ability to get to the rim. I don't know why Lillard is considered as a second fiddle talent here compared to Rose.
Rose has MVP talent

Lillard has all star talent

[Lebron23]

Prime rose > Present Lillard. Current Rose is playing like post injury Penny.

[navy]

Nobody ranks Rose over Lillard, unless we are talking about healthy MVP Rose who we havent seen in years.

[KobesFinger]

As clutch as Lillard is, I'd take MVP Rose and IMO anybody who disagrees is a prisoner of the moment or didn't watch him

[dontgetchoked]

Rose at his best was better. Rose now? top 15 pg. but he's still working his way back.

[Legends66NBA7]

The general consensus here is Derrick Rose is much better than Damian Lillard. I don't get it.

You don't get it because the general consensus doesn't rank Rose over Lillard going into this season and in the future.

[J Shuttlesworth]

As clutch as Lillard is, I'd take MVP Rose and IMO anybody who disagrees is a prisoner of the moment or didn't watch him
Agreed. Lillard is having an amazing game, but it's not like he does this every night. He's not as good as prime Rose, but this year, obviously Lillard has a strong case over Rose

[bizil]

Rose at his best puts SO MUCH PRESSURE ON A DEFENSE, is a legit alpha dog, and a better passer than Lillard. Lillard is a stud no doubt about it. And he's just getting better. But the way Rose could just knife through a defense and wreak havoc with his athletic ability and in the open court, was SICK!! Rose and Westbrook totally reshaped the PG spot in terms of their athletic ability. But once again, Lillard is younger, very athletic himself, and a much better outside shooter. Who knows how good Lillard will get! As of now, sure I would take Lillard over D Rose due to durability issues.

[nathanjizzle]

what are you talking about. d rose doesnt even show up in anyones top 5 pgs anymore and most have lillard in there.

[BasedTom]

Rose has MVP talent

Lillard has all star talent
No.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Nobody actually thinks Rose is better than Lillard though. Lillard is a top 5 pg.

[HurricaneKid]

Agreed. Lillard is having an amazing game, but it's not like he does this every night. He's not as good as prime Rose, but this year, obviously Lillard has a strong case over Rose

Like 2 has a case to be more than 1

[greymatter]

You need to learn the difference between "is" and "was".

[CHi1PriDe]

Dame > Rose

Deal with it:coleman:

[RoseCity07]

MVP Rose is better and people can't let that image go. However, today, Rose isn't playing at that level.

I don't even think Rose was the MVP the year he won but that level of play was special.

[Inferno]

Lillard is better than current Rose, not MVP Rose.

[Nowitness]

Lillard will be out of the league within 3 years if he doesn't listen to GP and improve his defence, passing and leadership.

And stop that God awful rapping (Pun intended).

[uoykcuf]

I disagree with those who say MVP Rose was greater. To clear up any possible misinterpretations, let's compare PEAK Rose (aka MVP Rose?) to PEAK Lillard. IMO, we aren't even close to seeing (okay, we're somewhat close) Lillard's peak yet, but I'd take him (at his best, even this early in his career) over the best we've seen from Rose.

Lillard is cold blooded, full of swag, and clutch as a mthrfckr. The kids future is so bright, he almost needs shades.

Rose on the other hand? Uncomfortable in social situations, appears aloof about going out there with his team day in and day out and going to war and battling for his coach, teammates, city, and fans. Also overall seems to shrink in pressure/key moments.

I know the last of that doesn't matter when strictly comparing their top-tier vs top-tier talent versions of themselves, but I digress. I'd still take Lillard without even factoring in those key intangibles. :pimp:

[Human Error]

LOL, MVP Rose is one of the most overrated players in the league history. MVP Rose doesn't even really exist because the real MVP was the team defense in that season, but Rose, who doesn't play elite defense, somehow ended up getting all the credit by himself.

[emaugust]

LOL, MVP Rose is one of the most overrated players in the league history. MVP Rose doesn't even really exist because the real MVP was the team defense in that season, but Rose, who doesn't play elite defense, somehow ended up getting all the credit by himself.

Probably because Rose was option A B and C that year on the offensive side.

[Undisputed]

LOL, MVP Rose is one of the most overrated players in the league history. MVP Rose doesn't even really exist because the real MVP was the team defense in that season, but Rose, who doesn't play elite defense, somehow ended up getting all the credit by himself.
This is just an opinion of a Heat fan who feels salty about Rose winning MVP that season, because I do remember you love to hate him and you had to eat all that crow when he got MVP. He was the best player on the best regular season team that season, and even made it as far as the conference championship. That MVP was well deserved, and the voting showed it. Those guys don't just vote on hype.

The defense was great, but Rose's offensive impact was equally as great. Don't try to convince yourself that Rose didn't deserve the MVP because the defense was good. That's some really weak logic, man.

I acknowledge Damian Lillard is a much better and reliable player than Derrick Rose right now. and it will more than likely stay that way for the future given the injuries to Rose.

[Mr. Jabbar]

"What makes ISH people think Derrick Rose is inarguably better than Damian Lillard?"

"why everybody salty about the hawks?"

[Undisputed]

"What makes ISH people think Derrick Rose is inarguably better than Damian Lillard?"

"why everybody salty about the hawks?"
People really need ISH's approval. :crazysam:

[Pointguard]

OP has been a long time Rose troll. Did the same post about OJ Mayo vs Rose years ago. And had to throw in Wade to save face.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4754046&postcount=1

Rose has people here so shook you see people comparing him now to everybody because they hated the fact they couldn't do it before. He's not playing well now. Greg Anthony says he won't be himself til next year. Its a handicap argument.

[Pointguard]

I disagree with those who say MVP Rose was greater. To clear up any possible misinterpretations, let's compare PEAK Rose (aka MVP Rose?) to PEAK Lillard. IMO, we aren't even close to seeing (okay, we're somewhat close) Lillard's peak yet, but I'd take him (at his best, even this early in his career) over the best we've seen from Rose.

Lillard is cold blooded, full of swag, and clutch as a mthrfckr. The kids future is so bright, he almost needs shades.

Rose on the other hand? Uncomfortable in social situations, appears aloof about going out there with his team day in and day out and going to war and battling for his coach, teammates, city, and fans. Also overall seems to shrink in pressure/key moments.

I know the last of that doesn't matter when strictly comparing their top-tier vs top-tier talent versions of themselves, but I digress. I'd still take Lillard without even factoring in those key intangibles. :pimp:

If you don't know about players why do you write paragraphs about them??? When Rose was 20 he hit more clutch shots in the playoffs than Lillard has yet to hit - sobeit, Lillard is crazy clutch. Rose hit seven clutch shots in his first playoff series. Rose has more accolades as a leader as well. He won way more playoff games on his back as too. Rose also was the man on his team and not the sidekick.

But I like Lillard, one of my favorites along with Wall. And his future is bright. He came into the league at the age Rose won MVP. So I don't know if we can project him super high that easily. But he seems like he will get better every year and has a solid start.

[DMAVS41]

If you don't know about players why do you write paragraphs about them??? When Rose was 20 he hit more clutch shots in the playoffs than Lillard has yet to hit - sobeit, Lillard is crazy clutch. Rose hit seven clutch shots in his first playoff series. Rose has more accolades as a leader as well. He won way more playoff games on his back as too. Rose also was the man on his team and not the sidekick.

But I like Lillard, one of my favorites along with Wall. And his future is bright. He came into the league at the age Rose won MVP. So I don't know if we can project him super high that easily. But he seems like he will get better every year and has a solid start.

There just isn't much 2011 Rose did that current Lillard can't. The only difference was that 11 Rose shot a bit more.

At some point you'll realize...put certain guys in the right situation and you get 11 Rose like play. It was nothing more than one of many pretty good regular seasons in terms of individual play out of a guard in NBA history.

You thought I was trolling with the Ellis stuff, but I wasn't. Proof is in the pudding.

You just over-rate the shit out of 11 Rose.

[Height Freak]

Lillard has to improve his defense and teamwork. He's pretty good offensively, but if he doesn't level up in the next few years, he's going to be as great as Rod Strickland.

[Graviton]

There just isn't much 2011 Rose did that current Lillard can't. The only difference was that 11 Rose shot a bit more.


Ah cmon. Rose back then was on a different level. He dominated all elite PGs, and even in 2012 when he actually played he continued to outplay them. He was the clearcut #1 PG and coaches, GMs recognized that, they feared him on the court. Current Lilard has his moments, but he gets dominated by Westbrook. Russ could never abuse Rose in the post and in transition like he does most PGs. Rose had a different aura, one current Westbrook and Curry have. Lilard is a tier below these guys, there are 3-4 PGs today clearly better than him.

[PsychoBe]

There just isn't much 2011 Rose did that current Lillard can't. The only difference was that 11 Rose shot a bit more.

At some point you'll realize...put certain guys in the right situation and you get 11 Rose like play. It was nothing more than one of many pretty good regular seasons in terms of individual play out of a guard in NBA history.

You thought I was trolling with the Ellis stuff, but I wasn't. Proof is in the pudding.

You just over-rate the shit out of 11 Rose.

mvp rose lead the team with the best record to the ecf and during the regular season he averaged top 10 in points and assists :facepalm

has monta ever even come close to that? has ellis scored 44 points in a playoff game?

i know you have blind hate for mvp rose but this wasn't even a discussion back then and it shouldn't be now even if you see ellis beasting in a regular season game.

[upside24]

Liillard put on a show last night.

Took control scoring and got a key block. He is the real deal.

There may be better PG like Russ and Steph but Lilliard is fearless and deserves mention among the top guys.

[DMAVS41]

mvp rose lead the team with the best record to the ecf and during the regular season he averaged top 10 in points and assists :facepalm

has monta ever even come close to that? has ellis scored 44 points in a playoff game?

i know you have blind hate for mvp rose but this wasn't even a discussion back then and it shouldn't be now even if you see ellis beasting in a regular season game.


No...you aren't understanding my argument.

Back then, I was saying that if you put a guy like Ellis in a great situation like Rose was in...I don't think there would be any noticeable difference.

I think what Ellis did last year and is now doing this year is a "feather in my cap" on this front so to speak.

Also, I'm just not as impressed by what the Bulls did in the regular season in a shit conference...and certainly not impressed by them beating two shit teams and then getting their shit destroyed in the ECF with Rose playing one of the worst series a "star" ever has.

I never said Ellis had accomplished as much or anything like that. Obviously he hasn't.

So you are misunderstanding my argument.

[KobesFinger]

No...you aren't understanding my argument.

Back then, I was saying that if you put a guy like Ellis in a great situation like Rose was in...I don't think there would be any noticeable difference.

I think what Ellis did last year and is now doing this year is a "feather in my cap" on this front so to speak.

Also, I'm just not as impressed by what the Bulls did in the regular season in a shit conference...and certainly not impressed by them beating two shit teams and then getting their shit destroyed in the ECF with Rose playing one of the worst series a "star" ever has.

I never said Ellis had accomplished as much or anything like that. Obviously he hasn't.

So you are misunderstanding my argument.

You're either seriously underrated Rose or overrating Ellis. Being as you're a Mavs fan, I'll assume its the latter.

I just don't see Ellis putting up the numbers AND having the impact Rose did