kobe first player in 50 years to take 20+fga/g while shooting less than 38%

[Keno]

last guy before this was dolph schayes, 1960-61 in an entirely different league and era.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2pwuec/kobe_leads_league_in_fga_on_377_shooting/cn0ss8l

should've hung it up after he tore his achilles, but he really wanted to pass jordan's points, which in my opinion wasn't worth because he's just embarrassing himself out there and lowering his rankings as every game goes by.

[Droid101]

rent free

[Le Shaqtus]

Go outside.

[sammichoffate]

http://i.imgur.com/KVNzD.jpg

[sportjames23]

http://i.imgur.com/KVNzD.jpg


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[SOD 21]

Kobe isn't lowering his all-time ranking with his poor play this year and historic inefficiency. But he isn't helping himself either.

It is sad to see great players fall to such levels. But knowing Kobe's ego and the way that he plays the game, it really couldn't end any other way, could it? He could get away this this style when he was younger because he was good enough to do so; but today, sadly, he's a shell of his former self.

He really just needs to retire because his Achilles injury has left him devoid of the same lift and he has very little explosiveness left. Kobe was playing at an elite level even at this age and mileage before his Achilles injury, but he's far from that today.

He shouldn't play out his last year and a half. Retire at the end of this season.

[Magic 32]

Kobe isn't lowering his all-time ranking with his poor play this year and historic inefficiency. But he isn't helping himself either.

It is sad to see great players fall to such levels. But knowing Kobe's ego and the way that he plays the game, it really couldn't end any other way, could it? He could get away this this style when he was younger because he was good enough to do so; but today, sadly, he's a shell of his former self.

He really just needs to retire because his Achilles injury has left him devoid of the same lift and he has very little explosiveness left. Kobe was playing at an elite level even at this age and mileage before his Achilles injury, but he's far from that today.

He shouldn't play out his last year and a half. Retire at the end of this season.

Mike D'Antoni and Jim Buss made it impossible for Kobe to walk into the sunset gracefully.

Imagine 2012-13 Kobe on a team like the Spurs.

Looking at the bad luck and incompetence that surrounds him, it's amazing that he isn't playing worse.

[Mr Feeny]

Mike D'Antoni and Jim Buss made it impossible for Kobe to walk into the sunset gracefully.

Imagine 2012-13 Kobe on a team like the Spurs.

Looking at the bad luck and incompetence that surrounds him, it's amazing that he isn't playing worse.

2013?

Nash, Pau, Howard and Metta. And none of them touched the ball:applause:
MR 37%FG will not be stopped :applause:

[AirFederer]

Mike D'Antoni and Jim Buss made it impossible for Kobe to walk into the sunset gracefully.

Imagine 2012-13 Kobe on a team like the Spurs.

Looking at the bad luck and incompetence that surrounds him, it's amazing that he isn't playing worse.

Lol, mr contestet jump shot would kill the Spurs' ballmovement and unselfishness.

[rmt]

Mike D'Antoni and Jim Buss made it impossible for Kobe to walk into the sunset gracefully.

Imagine 2012-13 Kobe on a team like the Spurs.

Looking at the bad luck and incompetence that surrounds him, it's amazing that he isn't playing worse.

It's amazing to me the lengths Kobe fans will go to excuse him. D'Antoni and Buss MADE him sign this $24 million contract? Does anyone see Kobe taking a back seat and letting Parker or Leonard shine? Truth is Kobe probably wants a bad team around him so that he can chuck away and chase KAJ since he ain't winning anymore championships.

[Nash]

Mike D'Antoni and Jim Buss made it impossible for Kobe to walk into the sunset gracefully.

Imagine 2012-13 Kobe on a team like the Spurs.

Looking at the bad luck and incompetence that surrounds him, it's amazing that he isn't playing worse.
in order for that to happen kobe needs to:

-take less money
-take less bad shots
-learn how to make sure other stars don't run away
-share the ball

basically change everything

[DCL]

Truth is Kobe probably wants a bad team around him so that he can chuck away and chase KAJ since he ain't winning anymore championships.

he will be shooting like 32% if that happens.

greatest chucker of all time.

all-time brick house maker.

[kNIOKAS]

Will go 0-39 before goes 0-9

or something like that

[La Frescobaldi]

Mike D'Antoni and Jim Buss made it impossible for Kobe to walk into the sunset gracefully.

Imagine 2012-13 Kobe on a team like the Spurs.

Looking at the bad luck and incompetence that surrounds him, it's amazing that he isn't playing worse.

As if the Spurs would take him at any price.

[SexSymbol]

in order for that to happen kobe needs to:

-take less money
-take less bad shots
-learn how to make sure other stars don't run away
-share the ball

basically change everything

-no one will take less money, you wouldn't too.
-he can hold on from some of his shots, as he's shooting the shots that he has been making over the years, but his legs can't get him up as much as they could, so it looks more awkwardly as is obviously less efficent.
-no one besides Dwight really ran away.
-He always has shared the ball

[ArbitraryWater]

reaching new levels of trash

[Nash]

-no one will take less money, you wouldn't too.
-he can hold on from some of his shots, as he's shooting the shots that he has been making over the years, but his legs can't get him up as much as they could, so it looks more awkwardly as is obviously less efficent.
-no one besides Dwight really ran away.
-He always has shared the ball
-Duncan took less money, that is why he's in a such a good situation. So did Dirk. Dirk made his own bed, he took less money and got himself an awesome team. What was keeping LA from getting Parsons, Rondo and Chandler while also keeping Gasol? They were all up for grabs and surely would be easily persuade to go to Hollywood. Dirk invited them and sent out a big signal with his paycut.

-He can't, Kobe has always been about volume shooting his whole career.

-Dwight ran away, Shaq was forced away.. and why the f*ck did Gasol go away? Also how the f'ck aren't players running to Los Angeles f'ckin' Lakers? Its the dream and is right now up for grabs.

- Yes, sharing the ball so much that he takes more contested shots than many other teams have done this whole season.


look, Kobe is a legend but let's not complain about why he isn't in a good situation like Duncan is.

[DMAVS41]

-Duncan took less money, that is why he's in a such a good situation. So did Dirk.
-He can't, Kobe has always been about volume shooting his whole career.
-Dwight ran away, Shaq was forced away.. and why the f*ck did Gasol go away? Also how the f'ck aren't players running to Los Angeles f'ckin' Lakers? Its the dream and is right now up for grabs.
- Yes, sharing the ball so much that he takes more contested shots than many other teams have done this whole season.

look, Kobe is a legend but let's not complain about why he isn't in a good situation like Duncan is.


The bold is the key point. And Kobe fans refuse to accept the fact that Duncan/Dirk allowed their situations to be created around them like they have. Duncan took a step back before he was even out of his end of prime to be honest.

Kobe got gifted some of the best circumstances ever for his career from the jump through 2011. Then since...when he's had some measure of control and influence...he's driven the team into the ground and alienated just about everyone. Honestly...the only so called "down times" of his career can be straight line traced back to him. Couldn't make it work with Phil/Shaq and lost 3 years of his prime on non contenders...then got gifted Gasol. Then couldn't make it work with Gasol/Howard...and lost the tail end of his career contending to date.

[Rooster]

[/B]

The bold is the key point. And Kobe fans refuse to accept the fact that Duncan/Dirk allowed their situations to be created around them like they have. Duncan took a step back before he was even out of his end of prime to be honest.

Kobe got gifted some of the best circumstances ever for his career from the jump through 2011. Then since...when he's had some measure of control and influence...he's driven the team into the ground and alienated just about everyone. Honestly...the only so called "down times" of his career can be straight line traced back to him. Couldn't make it work with Phil/Shaq and lost 3 years of his prime on non contenders...then got gifted Gasol. Then couldn't make it work with Gasol/Howard...and lost the tail end of his career contending to date.

Still won 5 rings and did it his way.:confusedshrug:

[La Frescobaldi]

[/B]

The bold is the key point. And Kobe fans refuse to accept the fact that Duncan/Dirk allowed their situations to be created around them like they have. Duncan took a step back before he was even out of his end of prime to be honest.

Kobe got gifted some of the best circumstances ever for his career from the jump through 2011. Then since...when he's had some measure of control and influence...he's driven the team into the ground and alienated just about everyone. Honestly...the only so called "down times" of his career can be straight line traced back to him. Couldn't make it work with Phil/Shaq and lost 3 years of his prime on non contenders...then got gifted Gasol. Then couldn't make it work with Gasol/Howard...and lost the tail end of his career contending to date.

2014-2015 Player Salaries
RK NAME TEAM SALARY
1 Kobe Bryant, SG Los Angeles Lakers $23,500,000
2 Amar'e Stoudemire, PF New York Knicks $23,410,988
3 Joe Johnson, SF Brooklyn Nets $23,180,790
4 Carmelo Anthony, SF New York Knicks $22,458,401
5 Dwight Howard, C Houston Rockets $21,436,271
6 Chris Bosh, C Miami Heat $20,644,400
7 LeBron James, SF Cleveland Cavaliers $20,644,400
8 Chris Paul, PG Los Angeles Clippers $20,068,563
9 Deron Williams, PG Brooklyn Nets $19,754,465
10 Rudy Gay, SF Sacramento Kings $19,317,326
RK NAME TEAM SALARY

11 Kevin Durant, SF Oklahoma City Thunder $18,995,624
12 Derrick Rose, PG Chicago Bulls $18,862,876
13 Blake Griffin, PF Los Angeles Clippers $17,674,613
14 Zach Randolph, PF Memphis Grizzlies $16,500,000
15 LaMarcus Aldridge, PF Portland Trail Blazers $16,006,000
16 Paul George, SF Indiana Pacers $15,937,290
17 Marc Gasol, C Memphis Grizzlies $15,829,688
18 Kevin Love, PF Cleveland Cavaliers $15,719,063
19 Russell Westbrook, PG Oklahoma City Thunder $15,719,062
20 Brook Lopez, C Brooklyn Nets $15,719,062
RK NAME TEAM SALARY

21 David Lee, PF Golden State Warriors $15,012,000
22 Dwyane Wade, SG Miami Heat $15,000,000
23 Roy Hibbert, C Indiana Pacers $14,898,938
24 Eric Gordon, SG New Orleans Pelicans $14,898,938
25 Tyson Chandler, C Dallas Mavericks $14,846,888
26 John Wall, PG Washington Wizards $14,746,000
27 DeMarcus Cousins, C Sacramento Kings $14,746,000
28 James Harden, SG Houston Rockets $14,728,844
29 Chandler Parsons, SF Dallas Mavericks $14,700,000
30 Al Jefferson, C Charlotte Hornets $13,500,000
RK NAME TEAM SALARY

31 Josh Smith, SF Detroit Pistons $13,500,000
32 Nene Hilario, PF Washington Wizards $13,000,000
33 Eric Bledsoe, PG Phoenix Suns $13,000,000
34 Andrew Bogut, C Golden State Warriors $12,972,973
35 Derrick Favors, PF Utah Jazz $12,950,000
36 Rajon Rondo, PG Dallas Mavericks $12,909,090
37 Joakim Noah, C Chicago Bulls $12,700,000
38 Tony Parker, PG San Antonio Spurs $12,500,000
39 Serge Ibaka, PF Oklahoma City Thunder $12,350,000
40 Andre Iguodala, SG Golden State Warriors $12,289,544

2014-2015 Player Salaries
RK NAME TEAM SALARY
41 Nikola Pekovic, C Minnesota Timberwolves $12,100,000
42 David West, PF Indiana Pacers $12,000,000
43 Kyle Lowry, PG Toronto Raptors $12,000,000
44 Al Horford, C Atlanta Hawks $12,000,000
45 Nicolas Batum, SF Portland Trail Blazers $11,765,500
46 Ty Lawson, PG Denver Nuggets $11,595,506
47 Andrea Bargnani, C New York Knicks $11,500,000
48 DeAndre Jordan, C Los Angeles Clippers $11,440,123
49 Tyreke Evans, SF New Orleans Pelicans $11,265,416
50 JaVale McGee, C Denver Nuggets $11,250,000
RK NAME TEAM SALARY

51 Larry Sanders, C Milwaukee Bucks $11,000,000
52 Danilo Gallinari, SF Denver Nuggets $10,854,850
53 Stephen Curry, PG Golden State Warriors $10,629,213
54 Marcin Gortat, C Washington Wizards $10,434,782
55 Jrue Holiday, PG New Orleans Pelicans $10,404,495
56 Tim Duncan, PF San Antonio Spurs $10,361,446
57 Gerald Wallace, SF Boston Celtics $10,105,855
58 DeMar DeRozan, SG Toronto Raptors $10,100,000
59 Luol Deng, SF Miami Heat $9,714,461
60 Anderson Varejao, C Cleveland Cavaliers $9,704,545
RK NAME TEAM SALARY

61 Steve Nash, PG Los Angeles Lakers $9,701,000
62 Kendrick Perkins, C Oklahoma City Thunder $9,654,342
63 Paul Millsap, PF Atlanta Hawks $9,500,000
64 Thaddeus Young, SF Minnesota Timberwolves $9,410,869
65 Tiago Splitter, PF San Antonio Spurs $9,250,000
66 Jeff Green, SF Boston Celtics $9,200,000
67 Lance Stephenson, SG Charlotte Hornets $9,000,000
68 Jordan Hill, C Los Angeles Lakers $9,000,000
69 Mike Conley, PG Memphis Grizzlies $8,694,216
70 Trevor Ariza, SF Houston Rockets $8,579,089
RK NAME TEAM SALARY

71 Channing Frye, PF Orlando Magic $8,579,088
72 Marcus Thornton, SG Boston Celtics $8,575,000
73 Ryan Anderson, PF New Orleans Pelicans $8,491,500
74 Jeremy Lin, PG Los Angeles Lakers $8,374,646
75 Omer Asik, C New Orleans Pelicans $8,374,646
76 Monta Ellis, SG Dallas Mavericks $8,360,000
77 George Hill, PG Indiana Pacers $8,000,000
78 O.J. Mayo, SG Milwaukee Bucks $8,000,000
79 Jeff Teague, PG Atlanta Hawks $8,000,000
80 Dirk Nowitzki, PF Dallas Mavericks $7,974,482

[Keno]

reaching new levels of trash

sadly this

[DMAVS41]

Still won 5 rings and did it his way.:confusedshrug:

Actually the opposite.

When he won...he wasn't doing it his way. He got drafted into Shaq...that wasn't his way at all.

He played 8 years with Shaq...then he did it "his way"...from 05 through the early part of 08"...then the Lakers made a trade and got Gasol after Kobe publicly demanded a trade because he was upset...even though he engineered his circumstances.

So back to do not doing it his way yield 3 finals and 2 titles....

Then the Lakers brought in the next dominant big to extend Kobe's title window...Kobe couldn't make it work...didn't want to make it work...did it his way...

Which led to no playoff games for him in 13, missing all of 14 with injuries from wearing himself out...now to having a bottom 10 team in the league.

Kobe's way didn't work...sorry.

[Rooster]

Actually the opposite.

When he won...he wasn't doing it his way. He got drafted into Shaq...that wasn't his way at all.

He played 8 years with Shaq...then he did it "his way"...from 05 through the early part of 08"...then the Lakers made a trade and got Gasol after Kobe publicly demanded a trade because he was upset...even though he engineered his circumstances.

So back to do not doing it his way yield 3 finals and 2 titles....

Then the Lakers brought in the next dominant big to extend Kobe's title window...Kobe couldn't make it work...didn't want to make it work...did it his way...

Which led to no playoff games for him in 13, missing all of 14 with injuries from wearing himself out...now to having a bottom 10 team in the league.

Kobe's way didn't work...sorry.

If Shaq was so dominant then how the heck he can't win with all Star guards like Eddie Jones and Van Exell.

If Gasol was so great then how the heck he can't win a playoff game with Memphis.

Hmmm. There is a common dominator and you know it.:rockon:

[DMAVS41]

If Shaq was so dominant then how the heck he can't win with all Star guards like Eddie Jones and Van Exell.

If Gasol was so great then how the heck he can't win a playoff game with Memphis.

Hmmm. There is a common dominator and you know it.:rockon:

Are you really questioning the dominance of Shaq? Like...really?

And with Gasol? He was not a championship first option...so of course joining the Lakers with Phil Jackson and Kobe and solid vets...etc. He fit in perfectly.

But are you seriously implying that Shaq wasn't a dominant all time great player?

[Rooster]

-no one will take less money, you wouldn't too.
-he can hold on from some of his shots, as he's shooting the shots that he has been making over the years, but his legs can't get him up as much as they could, so it looks more awkwardly as is obviously less efficent.
-no one besides Dwight really ran away.
-He always has shared the ball


This. When he played with every stars in the world in 2008, he set the tone defensively and did not chuck shots but save the Team USA with his clutch shots.

[La Frescobaldi]

If Shaq was so dominant then how the heck he can't win with all Star guards like Eddie Jones and Van Exell.

If Gasol was so great then how the heck he can't win a playoff game with Memphis.

Hmmm. There is a common dominator and you know it.:rockon:

unbelievable.

Who types your posts for you?

[Rooster]

Are you really questioning the dominance of Shaq? Like...really?

And with Gasol? He was not a championship first option...so of course joining the Lakers with Phil Jackson and Kobe and solid vets...etc. He fit in perfectly.

But are you seriously implying that Shaq wasn't a dominant all time great player?

No not questioning Shaq dominance but it was Kobe who destroyed the Spurs , their chief rival not Shaq. Shaq destroyed everyone on the East but the Finals was a mere formality.

[Rooster]

unbelievable.

Who types your posts for you?

Truth hurts. :oldlol:

[Im so nba'd out]

Kobe stans are so pathetic...real peons i tell ya

[Anaximandro1]

No not questioning Shaq dominance but it was Kobe who destroyed the Spurs

another myth busted.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-g2dTkjXiDGs/VJco_r1w6xI/AAAAAAAADlg/j_BISOGjYM4/s1600/6.jpg

[DMAVS41]

No not questioning Shaq dominance but it was Kobe who destroyed the Spurs , their chief rival not Shaq. Shaq destroyed everyone on the East but the Finals was a mere formality.

And what is your point? That Kobe was key for all the titles? No shit...

Still don't understand the point.

[Rooster]

another myth busted.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-g2dTkjXiDGs/VJco_r1w6xI/AAAAAAAADlg/j_BISOGjYM4/s1600/6.jpg

Is that the playoff stats:rolleyes: You know a series where adjustments are made

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Still more efficient than 02 Jordan :confusedshrug:

[DMAVS41]

Still more efficient than 02 Jordan :confusedshrug:

Not in any real way though to be honest.

It's all based of ft trips and not even the most hard headed person in the world would dispute how much easier it is to get to the ft line currently than it was in 02.

Kobe is shooting 41% efg.

MJ shot 42% efg.

[IllegalD]

So basically Duncan and Dirk had to take paycuts just to be able to match Kobe's 5 rings (or in Dirk's pathetic case win more than one) because they're not on Kobe's level?

:confusedshrug:

Can't wait for the excuses when Dirk fails again with yet another stacked team now that they traded for Rondo. But for real fans in the know it'll be another hit to his already shaky legacy of post-season chokes which one miracle (and extremely overrated) championship run will never erase. :lol

[Rooster]

And what is your point? That Kobe was key for all the titles? No shit...

Still don't understand the point.

The point is you can't have one without the other. You're saying Kobe was gifted with all those circumstance but what about them without Kobe.

And Kobe always had balls. He kicked out the dominant Shaq . Others would have kissed his ass just to have more chances to win titles.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Not in any real way though to be honest.

It's all based of ft trips and not even the most hard headed person in the world would dispute how much easier it is to get to the ft line currently than it was in 02.

Kobe is shooting 41% efg.

MJ shot 42% efg.

Drawing and making free throws is one of the most efficient offensive plays a player can make. It counts.

Kobe right now is more efficient than 02 Jordan.

I don't remember much uproar about Jordan's inefficiency back then but then again I was more focused on Lakers threepeating so I may have missed it.

[DMAVS41]

Drawing and making free throws is one of the most efficient offensive plays a player can make. It counts.

Kobe right now is more efficient than 02 Jordan.

Oh I agree totally about the importance of free throws....it just needs to be mentioned the MJ was playing with actually worse offensive help imo...and playing in arguably the toughest defensive era ever...

While Kobe is currently playing in arguably the softest defensive era ever for perimeter players.

Again...needs to be mentioned.

[Rooster]

So basically Duncan and Dirk had to take paycuts just to be able to match Kobe's 5 rings (or in Dirk's pathetic case win more than one) because they're not on Kobe's level?

:confusedshrug:

Can't wait for the excuses when Dirk fails again with yet another stacked team now that they traded for Rondo. But for real fans in the know it'll be another hit to his already shaky legacy of post-season chokes which one miracle (and extremely overrated) championship run will never erase. :lol

If those teams would offered the money like Lakers did to Kobe and both refused it and took the paycut then I can say wow. Only fools refused that money because even winning a ring is not guaranteed. It took a magical run just to have Dirk winning one.

[DMAVS41]

The point is you can't have one without the other. You're saying Kobe was gifted with all those circumstance but what about them without Kobe.

And Kobe always had balls. He kicked out the dominant Shaq . Others would have kissed his ass just to have more chances to win titles.

You can have both...he was gifted those circumstances. He also performed very well.

It's not hard.

You said Kobe did it "his way"...but he really didn't. He just got drafted to loaded roster. When he did it "his way"...the results were awful.

Kobe "his way" was:

05 through 07
12 through present

[DMAVS41]

If those teams would offered the money like Lakers did to Kobe and both refused it and took the paycut then I can say wow. Only fools refused that money because even winning a ring is not guaranteed. It took a magical run just to have Dirk winning one.

The Rockets offered Dirk the full max you ****ing moron. He turned it down.

[Shih508]

Still won 5 rings and did it his way.:confusedshrug:

More like Stern's way 3 out of 5 at least

[DMAVS41]

So basically Duncan and Dirk had to take paycuts just to be able to match Kobe's 5 rings (or in Dirk's pathetic case win more than one) because they're not on Kobe's level?

:confusedshrug:

Can't wait for the excuses when Dirk fails again with yet another stacked team now that they traded for Rondo. But for real fans in the know it'll be another hit to his already shaky legacy of post-season chokes which one miracle (and extremely overrated) championship run will never erase. :lol

Again, not all players are as lucky as Kobe. I'd love to see how many rings Kobe wins trying to win with Dirk's help while playing against the Spurs and Shaq/Dirk Lakers if the roles were reversed.

Good luck beating the 02 Kings Kobe....LOL

[Rooster]

You can have both...he was gifted those circumstances. He also performed very well.

It's not hard.

You said Kobe did it "his way"...but he really didn't. He just got drafted to loaded roster. When he did it "his way"...the results were awful.

Kobe "his way" was:

05 through 07
12 through present

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm .
:no: How did Kobe made his way into the Lakers again.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Oh I agree totally about the importance of free throws....it just needs to be mentioned the MJ was playing with actually worse offensive help imo...and playing in arguably the toughest defensive era ever...

While Kobe is currently playing in arguably the softest defensive era ever for perimeter players.

Again...needs to be mentioned.

You are free to mention anything but saying arguably without actually making a factual argument doesn't prove anything.

[Rooster]

The Rockets offered Dirk the full max you ****ing moron. He turned it down.

Then I give props to Dirk. I'm sure he is more motivated to win more.

[Rooster]

More like Stern's way 3 out of 5 at least

So take out all the championships under Stern and put an asterisk if that makes you feel better:oldlol:

[La Frescobaldi]

If those teams would offered the money like Lakers did to Kobe and both refused it and took the paycut then I can say wow. Only fools refused that money because even winning a ring is not guaranteed. It took a magical run just to have Dirk winning one.


Not only does your 3rd grade brother do your typing for you, he needs to start showing you how to read too.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tim-duncan-cut-salary-half-to-keep-spurs-2013-5

"Last offseason Tim Duncan was a free agent. The two-time NBA Most Valuable Player earned $21 million the previous season and at 36 years old was ready to sign what would likely be his final contract.

But rather than demanding one last massive payday, Duncan cut his salary in half by signing a three-year, $30 million deal. One year after being the third highest paid player, Duncan knocked himself down to 61st, meaning he made less this year than Richard Hamilton or Hedo Turkoglu."

go ahead and say wow.

[IllegalD]

Again, not all players are as lucky as Kobe. I'd love to see how many rings Kobe wins trying to win with Dirk's help while playing against the Spurs and Shaq/Dirk Lakers if the roles were reversed.

Good luck beating the 02 Kings Kobe....LOL

Dirk couldn't even get it done with the SUPERTEAM of Nash, Finley, Antwan Jamison, Antoine Walker. (4 all-stars in their prime, one of which is a 2-time MVP/HOF, two others were legit 20 and 10 guys).

Kobe only needed ONE all-star to get it done in 2009.

[Rooster]

Not only does your 3rd grade brother do your typing for you, he needs to start showing you how to read too.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tim-duncan-cut-salary-half-to-keep-spurs-2013-5

"Last offseason Tim Duncan was a free agent. The two-time NBA Most Valuable Player earned $21 million the previous season and at 36 years old was ready to sign what would likely be his final contract.

But rather than demanding one last massive payday, Duncan cut his salary in half by signing a three-year, $30 million deal. One year after being the third highest paid player, Duncan knocked himself down to 61st, meaning he made less this year than Richard Hamilton or Hedo Turkoglu."

go ahead and say wow.

Duncan cut his salary. It is not the same like Rockets offered Dirk the max and turn it down. So I'm saving my wow.

And you need to use your frontal part of your brain. Kobe did not demand the money, it was offered to him.

[La Frescobaldi]

Duncan cut his salary. It is not the same like Rockets offered Dirk the max and turn it down. So I'm saving my wow.

And you need to use your frontal part of your brain. Kobe did not demand the money, it was offered to him.

so even tho those guys did exactly what you said nobody would ever do, they didn't do it?

I'm done, yer a tool dude

[Mr Feeny]

Duncan cut his salary. It is not the same like Rockets offered Dirk the max and turn it down. So I'm saving my wow.

And you need to use your frontal part of your brain. Kobe did not demand the money, it was offered to him.

Dirk and Duncan both made the best decision to give their redpective teams a chance to build a contending contingent around them. Kobe chose the money. He made his bed and now has to sleep in it. No excuses. Enjoy historically bad shooting, team defense, and futility records. Moreover, enjoy the lottery and the categorical tarnishing of Kobe's legacy:bowdown:

[AirFederer]

Some of Kobes stans takes a point of view which is hard to get. The myth obscures the facts for these guys.

Kobe was great when he had great help, sucky when not and when with Howard.

Other years, when with good to okay help, he has been a team cancer.

[Rooster]

Some of Kobes stans takes a point of view which is hard to get. The myth obscures the facts for these guys.

Kobe was great when he had great help, sucky when not and when with Howard.

Other years, when with good to okay help, he has been a team cancer.

:no: How about looking at the other side.

Kobe haters tend to emphasized the bad with Kobe but how come most of his teammates have their best years playing Kobe:rolleyes:

[AirFederer]

:no: How about looking at the other side.

Kobe haters tend to emphasized the bad with Kobe but how come most of his teammates have their best years playing Kobe:rolleyes:

Yes, they tend to be in their prime when they play for the Lakers :confusedshrug:

[Smoke117]

:no: How about looking at the other side.

Kobe haters tend to emphasized the bad with Kobe but how come most of his teammates have their best years playing Kobe:rolleyes:

There are very few actual "kobe haters" here...most of us just can't stand you Kobe stan assholes. Everything negatively posted about Kobe is directly related to you clowns. I know everything I post about Kobe is just to amuse myself and upset kobe stans. It's not like there is actual basketball to talk about when it comes to Kobe...you seen him play this season, right?

[Rooster]

There are very few actual "kobe haters" here...most of us just can't stand you Kobe stan assholes. Everything negatively posted about Kobe is directly related to you clowns. I know everything I post about Kobe is just to amuse myself and upset kobe stans. It's not like there is actual basketball to talk about when it comes to Kobe...you seen him play this season, right?

Bruh i feel sorry for you .

You should look for amusement somewhere.

Hating Kobe can never change the FACT bruh

[Rooster]

Yes, they tend to be in their prime when they play for the Lakers :confusedshrug:

So are you sying guys like Smush, Kwame, Chucky, Turiah, Mihm etc has a prime .:oldlol:

[AirFederer]

Mama there goes that man :rolleyes:

[Nash]

even gasol took a pay cut to put himself in a better situation, and Kobe is ****in' loaded billionare.

If Kobe took a pay cut on the Duncan/Dirk level, for example 10m a year and Gasol getting paid what he's getting paid now which is 7m a year Lakers could have had 2 great players for 17m with bunch of cap space to make similar moves to what the Mavs just did and compete for a championship.

[J Shuttlesworth]

2/14

[Eric Cartman]

****ing sucks and should have his testicles surgically removed.