Spurs are garbage without Parker

[ninephive]

Especially at the end of games...absolutely no one to run the offense.

[BuffaloBill]

He'll be healthy soon, along with Kawhi. No worries. After this tough stretch it'll be smooth sailing

[konex]

They are playing themselves out of HCA and there's no way they go deep in the WC playoffs that way

[fpliii]

Joke thread?

[SCdac]

That's not exactly startling or news, though. Parker's been their starting PG for over 10 years and he's an AS to boot. Plus there was no Ginobili, Mills, or Green either. No Kawhi, Duncan, or Splitter. All things considered Cory Joseph was decent tonight (... but he's no Parker)

[fpliii]

That's not exactly startling or news, though. Parker's been their starting PG for over 10 years and he's an AS to boot. Plus there was no Ginobili, Mills, or Green either. No Kawhi, Duncan, or Splitter. All things considered Cory Joseph was decent tonight (... but he's no Parker)
/thread

[Milbuck]

Oh god here we ****ing go again :facepalm

Parker, right now and last year, has been the most overrated point guard in the NBA.

It's not like the Spurs were also missing Duncan, Kawhi, Ginobili, Green, Splitter, Mills...Tony Parker, the GOAT PG being out was the reason they lost.

[houston]

yea this true he is their best player

[DonDadda59]

'Garbage' is a strong word. They didn't play any of their main guys tonight. The 2 games before that, they went to b2b 3OT against great teams in the Blazers and Memphis... without Kahwi as well. 38 year old Timmy has been doing work.

If they manage to get healthy by the playoffs, they'll run the table like they did last year. Only Memphis can give them issues IMO. Maybe Dallas now that they have Rondo.

[SillyRabbit]

Lol?

Pop's system is so superior you can insert any random 5 NBA players into the Spurs starting lineup and they will have a solid chance of winning against any team.

He literally sat his top five players and you're claiming they lost because Parker is missing? Insert any of Duncan, Manu, Kawhi, etc into the lineup and the Spurs easily win.

In fact, the entire Spurs team is pretty average, it's Pop that makes them look so good. Boris, Patty, Danny, Thiago etc, would be much worse players on a different team.

[huskerdu]

'Garbage' is a strong word. They didn't play any of their main guys tonight. The 2 games before that, they went to b2b 3OT against great teams in the Blazers and Memphis... without Kahwi as well. 38 year old Timmy has been doing work.

If they manage to get healthy by the playoffs, they'll run the table like they did last year. Only Memphis can give them issues IMO. Maybe Dallas now that they have Rondo.



Spurs E team took Dallas to the wire. They'll beat Mavs and Grizzlies in 5.


Spurs only matchup issues will still be OKC and possibly the Rockets. Anyone else with or without HCA they can beat.

[Audio One]

Bullsh*t. You put Jamaal Tinsley in place of Parker all these years, he has a Finals MVP as well, and San Antonio has probably at least 7 titles. Without Duncan, I doubt Tony would've even made it to the NBA D-League

[T_L_P]

Lol?

Pop's system is so superior you can insert any random 5 NBA players into the Spurs starting lineup and they will have a solid chance of winning against any team.

He literally sat his top five players and you're claiming they lost because Parker is missing? Insert any of Duncan, Manu, Kawhi, etc into the lineup and the Spurs easily win.

In fact, the entire Spurs team is pretty average, it's Pop that makes them look so good. Boris, Patty, Danny, Thiago etc, would be much worse players on a different team.

Great post...but even to this day, Duncan and Kawhi are certainly not 'pretty average'. Duncan was a star before Pop ever touched him (and he's still way above average as a player today), and Chip had more to do with Kawhi's development as a player than anyone else. :confusedshrug:

[Anaximandro1]

The Spurs need a healthy Parker, but the team can win without him.


Spurs Record without Parker (2011/12 - 2014/15)

29 - 16 (.644)


The short-handed Spurs made mistakes, but I think they've been incredibly unlucky.



0:07 - N. Young makes 3-pt shot from 30 ft -> 112-110

0:00 - M. Gasol makes 3-pt shot from 30 ft -> 92-92

0:01 - D. Lillard makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft -> 97-97



Lol?

Pop's system is so superior you can insert any random 5 NBA players into the Spurs starting lineup and they will have a solid chance of winning against any team.

Really?


Popovich's record without Duncan

72 - 94 (.434)






In fact, the entire Spurs team is pretty average, it's Pop that makes them look so good. Boris, Patty, Danny, Thiago etc, would be much worse players on a different team.

you can't win an NBA championship without elite talent ...


NBA Real Plus-Minus - 2014-15

1 Stephen Curry 7.59
2 Tim Duncan 7.11
3 Klay Thompson 6.87
4 DeMarcus Cousins 6.77
5 James Harden 6.36
6 Tyson Chandler 6.01
7 Anthony Davis 5.74
8 Kawhi Leonard 5.52
9 Chris Paul 5.43
10 Kyle Lowry 5.15

[BuffaloBill]

Lol?

Pop's system is so superior you can insert any random 5 NBA players into the Spurs starting lineup and they will have a solid chance of winning against any team.

He literally sat his top five players and you're claiming they lost because Parker is missing? Insert any of Duncan, Manu, Kawhi, etc into the lineup and the Spurs easily win.

In fact, the entire Spurs team is pretty average, it's Pop that makes them look so good. Boris, Patty, Danny, Thiago etc, would be much worse players on a different team.




Pop's system is great and all but it's the players that make it work. While it's true you might be able to replace some of the 3PT shooters (Patty, Green, Bellinelli) and still do damage in the playoffs, but it's players like Parker, Leonard, and Duncan that really make it work. Leonard and Duncan on the defensive end of course, but it's really Parker who gets the Spurs offense rolling. Parker's value to Spurs has been undervalued in the past few years. It's true against some teams the Spurs offense flows better without him at times, but in close games he's still the most reliable player on the team. Spurs don't lose those two triple OT with a healthy Parker.


You can take Parker, Leonard, or Duncan out for a few games and the Spurs will continue to win, but come playoff time the Spurs will go nowhere without those 3 players healthy. Maybe past the first round but a deep playoff run is out of the question completely.

[ninephive]

Bullsh*t. You put Jamaal Tinsley in place of Parker all these years, he has a Finals MVP as well, and San Antonio has probably at least 7 titles. Without Duncan, I doubt Tony would've even made it to the NBA D-League
Did you start watching basketball before or after your ISH join date?

[Viriilink]

Parker have played terrible this year. The offense will be much better when he, or Patty Mills come back and if they can play at the level of last year. Joseph is OK backup PG, but he can't initiate the offense which stats by penetrating into the paint.

I think Popovich should go back to starting Duncan and Splitter together when Splitter is fully ready. Then bring Diaw for Splitter later and then bring back Splitter when Duncan goes to rest. I find the combination of Duncan and Splitter, a much better defense match-up versus majority of the league. Houston and OKC are the only teams I think Diaw and Duncan starting would be better because of offense.

As for no one to run the offense at end of games, they do, Manu. Problem is he's the only one at the moment.

Honestly, outside of health, I am more worried about Duncan's mid range shot *giggle*.

[Legends66NBA7]

Hyperbolic nonsense.

[Funnyfuka]

lol, they almost beat the best teams in the league without their most important players... they did quite well for a team that was missing its best talent. Just wait til they re back and they ll steamroll everyone again. Stupid thread.

[T_L_P]

lol, they almost beat the best teams in the league without their most important players... they did quite well for a team that was missing its best talent. Just wait til they re back and they ll steamroll everyone again. Stupid thread.

Player* (Kawhi), since Duncan and Manu were playing. :confusedshrug:

I do agree that the expectation on the Spurs to win without some of their best players is a little weird. I know we have a "system", but Pop isn't winning a lot of games without Kawhi or Duncan or Patty or Splitter.

[SCdac]

I just see the current Spurs as a team similar to the 2003-2005 Pistons... take out any one player from the mix, whether it be Chauncey Billups or Ben Wallace, and it falls apart... Effectively, everybody is needed equally even if they have very distinct, different roles... Having said that, Spurs are so good they lean on some players more than others in any given game.

[GimmeThat]

they'd literally be garbage without Parker in the 60's

[Audio One]

Did you start watching basketball before or after your ISH join date?

I see sarcasm didn't work :lol I'm just expressing the popular train of thought I've seen on this forum. You're the only person to respond to this, so I guess I'm not that far off. The fact that people consider Manu better/more valuable than Parker, believe he was carried by San Antonio, or sneeze at the thought of him probably being better than Nash and Stockton is mindboggling.

I like your work in giving Tony his props, but it appears to be a lost cause on this website