Is Noah the worst player to be named first team all-NBA?

[SugarHill]

Spree also has a selection. Noah also has just one all-NBA selection. :biggums:

[navy]

To be fair he was pretty good last year...

[SugarHill]

To be fair he was pretty good last year...

He's the worst of the best

[LilEddyCurry]

Yes.

[nba_55]

To be fair he was pretty good last year...

pretty good before getting humiliated by Nene

[ballinhun8]

Is this one of the worst threads of the year??


No, but its up there.



Morons will be morons.

[nba_55]

Is this one of the worst threads of the year??


No, but its up there.



Morons will be morons.

Actually, your post is worse than his. He asked a legit question. You felt insulted because you are an insecure Bulls fans.

[SugarHill]

Is this one of the worst threads of the year??


No, but its up there.



Morons will be morons.

Name drop 5 players who were named to the all-NBA first team that are worse than Noah from the last 15 years alone. Go ahead.

[L.Kizzle]

Ralph Beard
Gene Shue
Truck Robinson

[Undisputed]

What's most humorous is that this statement is made by an ignorant individual. If you only follow Bulls games when they're nationally televised(if you even watch a full game that isn't your favorite team), then your opinion is void.

Noah deserved a first team all-NBA selection last season. He had a great regular season and was the best center in the league that season. Literally got everything done for the Bulls with passing, rebounding, scoring, and absolutely suffocating defense. Not many players can do it all, and Noah did last season...of course, not in the play-offs, but DPOY and All-NBA selections are regular season honors. There were worse players who were selected. But listing them would prove worthless to someone with an agenda.

[Fire Colangelo]

What's most humorous is that this statement is made by an ignorant individual. If you only follow Bulls games when they're nationally televised(if you even watch a full game that isn't your favorite team), then your opinion is void.

Noah deserved a first team all-NBA selection last season. He had a great regular season and was the best center in the league that season. Literally got everything done for the Bulls with passing, rebounding, scoring, and absolutely suffocating defense. Not many players can do it all, and Noah did last season...of course, not in the play-offs, but DPOY and All-NBA selections are regular season honors. There were worse players who were selected. But listing them would prove worthless to someone with an agenda.

No doubt did he deserve his All-NBA selection last season.

Doesn't mean he's not the worst to make it...

Players who made the first team all NBA in the past two decades off the top of my head:

MJ
LeBron
Kobe
Duran
tTmac
Webber
Payton
Mourning
Malone
Harden
CP3
Duncan
Dwight
Rose
Wade
Dirk
Garnett
Amare
Nash
Shaq
Iverson
Kidd

etcetc, I'm sure I missed a few more, but that's pretty much it.

Who was Noah better than?

maybe 2013 Duncan who still averaged 18/10/3 while anchoring a 58 win team who was one game away from winning it all?


Nobody's saying Noah didn't deserve it. Heck, Nash and Rose's MVPs were well deserved, doesn't mean they weren't weak selections.

[SugarHill]

What's most humorous is that this statement is made by an ignorant individual. If you only follow Bulls games when they're nationally televised(if you even watch a full game that isn't your favorite team), then your opinion is void.

Noah deserved a first team all-NBA selection last season. He had a great regular season and was the best center in the league that season. Literally got everything done for the Bulls with passing, rebounding, scoring, and absolutely suffocating defense. Not many players can do it all, and Noah did last season...of course, not in the play-offs, but DPOY and All-NBA selections are regular season honors. There were worse players who were selected. But listing them would prove worthless to someone with an agenda.

Not saying Noah didn't deserve it nor am I saying he's a bad player. I'm asking whether he's the worst first team player.

Consider 3 shooting guards in their prime

Jordan, Kobe and Ray Allen

Ray Allen is the worst of the 3 and quite clearly so. Does that make Ray a bad player? Nope. It just means he's not as good. Simple as that.

Can you even name 3 players that are worse than Noah to make first team in the last 15 years?

Aside from Noah, this is the picture from the last 15 years.

Shaq
Duncan
Dirk
LeBron
Kobe
T-Mac
Iverson
Kidd
Payton
Webber
Nash
Garnett
Wade
Dwight
Amare
Paul
Durant
Rose
Harden

[Undisputed]

Does it matter? You dudes that are obsessed with comparing modern basketball to old greats is fanatic, and kinda weird how so much thought is put into that. The game is different. The thread just seems like it's trying to diminish him, but not all is as it seems.

He's just as good if not better than a lot of players on that list. And I won't even humor telling you which ones because it will just feed into the BS I hate.

[SugarHill]

A lot of players? I listed 19. Name 8. Humor me. :durantunimpressed:

[Undisputed]

A lot of players? I listed 19. Name 8. Humor me. :durantunimpressed:
Nah. Like I said, pointless. I could type up three pages on the names and why, but it would amount to absolutely nothing because both of our minds are made up.

Have fun with your thread. I hope you hook someone into it.

The fact is, you can at least name 2, so that means he's not the worst.

[Sarcastic]

By a wide margin.

[WillC]

Ralph Beard
Gene Shue
Truck Robinson

Gene Shue and Truck Robinson, yes. In fact, I came here to post Truck Robinson's name. But Ralph Beard? He was on track to be a superstar before being banned from the league - he was a great player and one of the big names in basketball.

[L.Kizzle]

Gene Shue and Truck Robinson, yes. In fact, I came here to post Truck Robinson's name. But Ralph Beard? He was on track to be a superstar before being banned from the league - he was a great player and one of the big names in basketball.
True about Beard, but it never panned out for various reasons.

[fandarko]

Spree also has a selection. Noah also has just one all-NBA selection. :biggums:

Spreewell was a far more effective player than Noah is.

[Clifton]

Does it matter? You dudes that are obsessed with comparing modern basketball to old greats is fanatic, and kinda weird how so much thought is put into that. The game is different. The thread just seems like it's trying to diminish him, but not all is as it seems.

He's just as good if not better than a lot of players on that list. And I won't even humor telling you which ones because it will just feed into the BS I hate.
I am interested in your thoughts. My mind is not made up.

Center position in the east has long been exceptionally weak and has provided historical oddities like Jamaal Magloire in the all star game. It would seem that the worst all nba first teamer would be an eastern conference center. It would not be his fault obviosly.

I for one would be tempted to take Noah over Harden. But it is not clear cut and he is the only one I can see a case for Noah over.

Noah does many things that are rare and more important than scoring. I am glad he has gotten recognition.

[Ariza4three]

Lmao bulls fans are insecure as f*ck

[Nashty]

Kobe Bryant :pimp:

[GimmeThat]

he stole Billups spot.

[Kblaze8855]

Nah. Like I said, pointless. I could type up three pages on the names and why

You couldnt do a good job of it.

You have to seperate reality from hating. Now...is this a likely hating topic? Sure. But that doesnt mean its unreasonable to consider. If the Warriors win 65 games...and Steph puts up 25/8/5 maybe he gets the MVP...he could deserve it.

But that doesnt make him Wilt, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Oscar, Russell, Kareem, and so on. It doesnt make him the equal...of most MVPs.

Noah deserving the spot last year(Very arguable that he did) has nothing to do with if hes better than anyone else who ever made it.

Hes clearly not held to the standard of greatness most of them are.

You get to the worst guys....you can argue you would rather have him due to team fit. But the question of him being among the worst...on a list of greats...is easily defended.

You have to go back well over 30 years to find anyone Noah is likely considered nearly the equal of of he had his season while they had their season that landed them on the first team. I wouldnt trade him for James Harden....because I dont like Hardens game and im a defense first guy. And I think one would have to consider Noah vs Gus Williams...but hes not as highly regarded as Gus was in his day dropping 30+ a game to knock Kareem out of the playoffs.

You could talk about Truck Robinson....but he was only the 8th or 9th best player on the all nba teams that year. He just got in in a position of weakness because the NBA counted Thompson as a guard instead of a forward like the previous year...and Elvin Hayes was an asshole everyone hated. But plenty of people on the second team were considered better than Truck...guys like Kareem and Pistol Pete.

Truck was an unusual case of a first teamer nowhere close to an elite player....which is what Noah was.

Bringing it up may reek of an "agenda" and be hating based...but that doesnt mean it isnt true.

Being on the low end of the best...is still being one of the best.

In many many seasons you could argue Noah last year...would be worse than everyone who made the third team. There have been all nba third teams dripping in HOF talent.

Stockton, Joe Dumars, Hakeem, James Worthy, and Bernard King was the 3rd team one year...

Drexler, David Robinson, Dumars, Mullin, and Worthy in another...

Its no insult to be on the low end of all nba players. Even if the person saying it...intends it as an insult.

Just being grouped with the players needed to make the point is impressive.

[Undisputed]

You couldnt do a good job of it.

You have to seperate reality from hating. Now...is this a likely hating topic? Sure. But that doesnt mean its unreasonable to consider. If the Warriors win 65 games...and Steph puts up 25/8/5 maybe he gets the MVP...he could deserve it
.

My reality is actual reality. While a Bulls fan, I am no Joakim Noah fan boy, and have never acted the part here on ISH. I even posted on this very forum a few days ago that Joakim has been a step behind guys all season long(though it's injuries holding him back, it's still a fact). You're right, I probably wouldn't do a great job at going into all of this worthless bullshit you guys love. I don't have as much practice arguing about pointless topics as most here. Which is why I refuse to humor the thread with specific names, it'll result in a bunch of heated headcases making this a 10 page ordeal with insults and the works.

I said it earlier, there are at least 2 players who have made first team all NBA since the 90's that Joakim Noah is more valuable and a better player than. Or at least you can make a damn good argument. So really, this topic, as we both have figured, is just another tool for someones agenda.

Joakim Noah's ability to anchor a teams defense while being able to run the offense is a very, very rare ability for an NBA big. Though his greatness doesn't shine through box scores and per game stats, he is a great NBA player that deserved the first team all-NBA. And by no means is he the worst player to even be honored with it.

[Kblaze8855]

Nah. If thats all that mattered to you you wouldnt take offense to the idea of people discussing where he stands on the list...not if he should be on it.

On every list of greats there can still be a ranking.

Everyone on the NBAs top 50....is a legend. Doesnt make it unreasonable to say Parish isnt as good as Kareem or to discuss such matters.

That you say there are 2 guys you could at least make an argument for say enough.

It isnt a long list. Its fair to discuss.

[MUGEN]

he was good last year :confusedshrug: And it's the East

[Undisputed]

Nah. If thats all that mattered to you you wouldnt take offense to the idea of people discussing where he stands on the list...not if he should be on it.

If I took offense, I'd be here in the thick of things debating with you and doing big write-ups.

It would be fair to discuss if I was discussing this topic anywhere but ISH. Debating with you(who I know is a great poster) is not the same as debating with the ISH public. I pick my arguments here much better. It'll start with two names and a little write-up on my reasoning, then the explosion of 8-10 Bulls trolls that will reject absolutely everything regardless and stirring up ridiculous drama, all the while I waste my time continuing an argument that will bear no fruit or make no point. No thanks.


On every list of greats there can still be a ranking.

There can still be ranking, but they don't mean a damn thing. At all.

[imdaman99]

Yes but he's a good player and I'd love to have him on the Knicks.

[Legends66NBA7]

he was good last year :confusedshrug: And it's the East

All-NBA takes into account both conferences.

[Just2McFly]

Does it matter? You dudes that are obsessed with comparing modern basketball to old greats is fanatic, and kinda weird how so much thought is put into that. The game is different. The thread just seems like it's trying to diminish him, but not all is as it seems.

He's just as good if not better than a lot of players on that list. And I won't even humor telling you which ones because it will just feed into the BS I hate.
Are you that emotional where you think its rational to completely bypass the point of the thread and deem the subject invalid?

bruh get it together. the man asked a legit question. if you find fault throw some names out there

[PsychoBe]

he's the best center in chicago bulls history.

[Kblaze8855]

If I took offense, I'd be here in the thick of things debating with you and doing big write-ups.

It would be fair to discuss if I was discussing this topic anywhere but ISH. Debating with you(who I know is a great poster) is not the same as debating with the ISH public. I pick my arguments here much better. It'll start with two names and a little write-up on my reasoning, then the explosion of 8-10 Bulls trolls that will reject absolutely everything regardless and stirring up ridiculous drama, all the while I waste my time continuing an argument that will bear no fruit or make no point. No thanks.



There can still be ranking, but they don't mean a damn thing. At all.

Really I dont care if you make a list. Im not getting into a whole argument either. Im watching NFL redzone, eating some wings, and bullshitting with a friend drinking apple crown royal a female friend insisted I try. Just passing the time.

And im not one for ranking anymore really. but they do spark some interesting conversation.

A Joakim Noah vs Amare discussion would at least get a scroll through.

[PsychoBe]

Really I dont care if you make a list. Im not getting into a whole argument either. Im watching NFL redzone, eating some wings, and bullshitting with a friend drinking apple crown royal a female friend insisted I try. Just passing the time.


what kind of wings are you eating?

you don't have any female friends stop lying.

also i just turned 21 and i need you to recommend some passable low-end beer to me. gonna try some budweiser later and maybe some yi-ling lager? just anything but budlight.

[YouGotServed]

Undisputed "I don't care about this troll thread and won't buy into the OPs agenda"

tied for most posts in this thread

:durantunimpressed:

[Kblaze8855]

Some spicy friend walmart wings. Had to go get a bike earlier...figured id get lunch while there.

And while they arent the best....you can get these anywhere...

Amber Dos Equis.

Blue Moon.

Red stripe.

Fairly common...nothing special. But they beat out the top 2-3 brands(one of which I think makes 2 of them though).

If you are just starting you dont need to get into the craft beers. Just see what suits you.

[tontoz]

The Bulls won 48 games last year without much talent. I am sure the All-NBA voters gave Noah a lot of credit for that.

I didn't watch them enough to know whether he deserved it. But in general i think All-NBA teams are more legit than All-Star teams.

[Undisputed]

Undisputed "I don't care about this troll thread and won't buy into the OPs agenda"

tied for most posts in this thread

:durantunimpressed:
I do look down on people who always try to diminish well deserved accolades. But I just don't care to feed the OP and those that are like minded with what they want. Trying to argue with people here in a thread like this is basically playing bloody knuckles with a brick wall. You only hurt yourself, and in the end, you're the dumbass for even trying. The title of the thread alone is troll bait. So I'm not going to type something that these dudes are foaming at the mouth for.

[dontgetchoked]

what kind of wings are you eating?

you don't have any female friends stop lying.

also i just turned 21 and i need you to recommend some passable low-end beer to me. gonna try some budweiser later and maybe some yi-ling lager? just anything but budlight.

Try rolling rock 5 bucks for a 6 pack here and it's better than bud light budweiser keystone ect...

[Fire Colangelo]

This actually could be a legit discussion without insecure Bulls fans derailing the thread...

Amare vs Noah
Mourning vs Noah

Etc.

[KirbyPls]

Really I dont care if you make a list. Im not getting into a whole argument either. Im watching NFL redzone, eating some wings, and bullshitting with a friend drinking apple crown royal a female friend insisted I try. Just passing the time.

And im not one for ranking anymore really. but they do spark some interesting conversation.

A Joakim Noah vs Amare discussion would at least get a scroll through.

Agreed and I'm no Bulls fan.

[Collie]

he's the best center in chicago bulls history.

http://www.legendsofbasketball.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/AG.jpg

[Budadiiii]

The OP is a known basketball novice and this thread is disrespectful to Noah and his achievements.

[guy]

Are we taking into account how many games they missed? Cause then you could easily argue him over 13 Duncan, 12 Howard, 08 KG, and 06 Shaq.

[Bigsmoke]

I think so....

[Myth]

My reality is actual reality. While a Bulls fan, I am no Joakim Noah fan boy, and have never acted the part here on ISH. I even posted on this very forum a few days ago that Joakim has been a step behind guys all season long(though it's injuries holding him back, it's still a fact). You're right, I probably wouldn't do a great job at going into all of this worthless bullshit you guys love. I don't have as much practice arguing about pointless topics as most here. Which is why I refuse to humor the thread with specific names, it'll result in a bunch of heated headcases making this a 10 page ordeal with insults and the works.

I said it earlier, there are at least 2 players who have made first team all NBA since the 90's that Joakim Noah is more valuable and a better player than. Or at least you can make a damn good argument. So really, this topic, as we both have figured, is just another tool for someones agenda.

Joakim Noah's ability to anchor a teams defense while being able to run the offense is a very, very rare ability for an NBA big. Though his greatness doesn't shine through box scores and per game stats, he is a great NBA player that deserved the first team all-NBA. And by no means is he the worst player to even be honored with it.

In less time you could have made a quick case for a couple of the players listed earlier being worse than Noah, but you didn't, probably because deep down you know Noah isn't as good. Really, that doesn't take anything from Noah, but you are acting like it does.

[hateraid]

I do look down on people who always try to diminish well deserved accolades. But I just don't care to feed the OP and those that are like minded with what they want. Trying to argue with people here in a thread like this is basically playing bloody knuckles with a brick wall. You only hurt yourself, and in the end, you're the dumbass for even trying. The title of the thread alone is troll bait. So I'm not going to type something that these dudes are foaming at the mouth for.
I think the thing everyone is trying to point out is you're interpretation of the thread is OP is belittling Noah when he really isn't. The irony is you've painted the negative picture by making it an issue. Really it's just asking is he the worst of the best.

[Undisputed]

I think the thing everyone is trying to point out is you're interpretation of the thread is OP is belittling Noah when he really isn't. The irony is you've painted the negative picture by making it an issue. Really it's just asking is he the worst of the best.
Go ahead and get involved in the thread guys. Don't mind me. ;)

If anyone wants to believe Noah is the "worst of the best"(lol), then there is nothing I can do to prove you wrong. And even if I did, these cats wouldn't accept it. This thread's subject presents many opportunities for the halfwits on this forum that just try to make a mockery of everything.

[kshutts1]

Name drop 5 players who were named to the all-NBA first team that are worse than Noah from the last 15 years alone. Go ahead.

Why only the last 15 years?
And am I to assume that, since this thread was made this season, that you're basing last season's merit on this season?

Using that criteria, I would assume that I could find multiple first teamers that missed too much time the following season to be any good...

[kshutts1]

And for the newly 21, I suggest Smirnoff vodka. In my opinion, it's the best bang for your buck. Very quality spirit at a reasonable price.

If you prefer flavored liquors, I'd suggest Stolichnaya, as the flavor is strong enough to mostly mask the liquor-burn, or Kissed Caramel Smirnoff Vodka. Super "chick" drink, but so delicious.

[Real14]

Spree also has a selection. Noah also has just one all-NBA selection. :biggums:

Don't go there with Spree. Spree was a problem:coleman:

[hateraid]

Go ahead and get involved in the thread guys. Don't mind me. ;)

If anyone wants to believe Noah is the "worst of the best"(lol), then there is nothing I can do to prove you wrong. And even if I did, these cats wouldn't accept it. This thread's subject presents many opportunities for the halfwits on this forum that just try to make a mockery of everything.
You're taking too much offense to what really is an innocent question.

[Prometheus]

Laughing my ass off at this thread.

"I could so prove OP wrong... if I WANTED to... but I don't WANT to... because you guys won't listen... jerks..." -Undisputed

Granted, I get what you're saying about how people on ISH don't tend to budge or listen to reason... but for real, if it frustrates you to the point that you won't debate a topic which you clearly feel strongly about...

then why in the hell did you comment on this thread in the first place?

Better yet, if you can't stand arguing with ignorant people, what the **** are you doing on ISH to begin with?

[Undisputed]

Laughing my ass off at this thread.

"I could so prove OP wrong... if I WANTED to... but I don't WANT to... because you guys won't listen... jerks..." -Undisputed

See? Dumb shit like this is why I won't humor this stupid subject. I give my opinion, and I'll have 10+ of you half ass reading what I say and sticking to your agenda. If you payed attention to what I said, you'd realize you sound more ridiculous than you like to think I am being...

Direct quote from me, from a couple posts before you...


If anyone wants to believe Noah is the "worst of the best"(lol), then there is nothing I can do to prove you wrong. And even if I did, these cats wouldn't accept it.

May this be your example, kids. You guys are just itching to explode on whatever I have to say, regardless. I will discuss things on ISH, but I will not go into specifics here because what I say doesn't matter. Everyone will think what they want.

EDIT: Another post here of me acknowledging I couldn't "prove the OP wrong".


You're right, I probably wouldn't do a great job at going into all of this worthless bullshit you guys love. I don't have as much practice arguing about pointless topics as most here. Which is why I refuse to humor the thread with specific names, it'll result in a bunch of heated headcases making this a 10 page ordeal with insults and the works.

[Legends66NBA7]

Not a bad list to be a part off. :confusedshrug:

[Undisputed]

You're taking too much offense to what really is an innocent question.
k, how about this. These two posts will be my last. You guys go ahead and discuss this innocent subject. Everyone who is quoting my posts, either post on the subject or you're no better than I am. Let's see what you guys think, and lets see how the thread turns out.

[YouGotServed]

I do look down on people who always try to diminish well deserved accolades. But I just don't care to feed the OP and those that are like minded with what they want. Trying to argue with people here in a thread like this is basically playing bloody knuckles with a brick wall. You only hurt yourself, and in the end, you're the dumbass for even trying. The title of the thread alone is troll bait. So I'm not going to type something that these dudes are foaming at the mouth for.

"I don't care about this thread" :blah

You still here

[SugarHill]

I didn't intend this topic to be as insulting as Undisputed claims. Legit lol'd at his take on this. Easy, brother. Quit being paranoid.

[SugarHill]

Why only the last 15 years?
And am I to assume that, since this thread was made this season, that you're basing last season's merit on this season?

Using that criteria, I would assume that I could find multiple first teamers that missed too much time the following season to be any good...

No? 2014 in a vacuum isn't all that impressive compared to other first team selections. He, along with Harden, have made what is arguably the worst first team ever.

[The Macho Man]

Well based on the fact that fvking Nene is a far superior player I'm gonna say yes

By a wide fvking margin

Noah a solid role player tho

[Artillery]

Are we taking into account how many games they missed? Cause then you could easily argue him over 13 Duncan, 12 Howard, 08 KG, and 06 Shaq.

Noah doesn't have an argument over ANY of them. Look at his advanced metrics(On/Off, RAPM) - he pales in comparison to all of those guys.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

I remember in Rick Barry's Bible, Barry said Spree was a consistent jumper away from an MVP.

[oarabbus]

I thought Bulls fans were supposed to be more intelligent than this?

Name a couple players chosen on All-NBA First teams, that are worse than Noah. Ever. That's all you have to do.

No one is saying Noah sucks. No one is saying Noah didn't deserve 1st team last year. This is not a Noah bashing thread. It's a legitimate topic.

[Shep]

In terms of being selected in an all-NBA team, these are the players of the last 10 years who were selected in previous years who Noah was more deserving (keep in mind wrong selections are made every year):

'14: Chris Paul, James Harden
'13: Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan
'12: Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant
'11: Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant
'10: Kobe Bryant
'09: Dirk Nowitzki
'08: Nobody
'07: Amare Stoudemire, Steve Nash
'06: Shaquille O'Neal, Steve Nash
'05: Steve Nash

[Ariza4three]

In terms of being selected in an all-NBA team, these are the players of the last 10 years who were selected in previous years who Noah was more deserving (keep in mind wrong selections are made every year):

'14: Chris Paul, James Harden
'13: Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan
'12: Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant
'11: Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant
'10: Kobe Bryant
'09: Dirk Nowitzki
'08: Nobody
'07: Amare Stoudemire, Steve Nash
'06: Shaquille O'Neal, Steve Nash
'05: Steve Nash
lol.
stop

[livinglegend]

"I don't care about this thread" :blah

You still here
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Myth]

If anyone wants to believe Noah is the "worst of the best"(lol), then there is nothing I can do to prove you wrong. And even if I did, these cats wouldn't accept it.

Why are you so quick to dismiss that we would listen to your case? This isn't Kobe vs LeBron stans. People here don't have a strong enough opinion of Noah to be a stan or a hater, so this is a rare opportunity to have a discussion on ISH and you refuse to have it. Call me disappointed.

[SugarHill]

In terms of being selected in an all-NBA team, these are the players of the last 10 years who were selected in previous years who Noah was more deserving (keep in mind wrong selections are made every year):

'14: Chris Paul, James Harden
'13: Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan
'12: Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant
'11: Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant
'10: Kobe Bryant
'09: Dirk Nowitzki
'08: Nobody
'07: Amare Stoudemire, Steve Nash
'06: Shaquille O'Neal, Steve Nash
'05: Steve Nash

Noah was more deserving than an MVP? :roll:

[Shep]

lol.
stop
:confusedshrug:

Noah was more deserving than an MVP?
Apparently so :roll: especially due to the fact that those mvp selections were the worst in league history :roll:

[kshutts1]

No? 2014 in a vacuum isn't all that impressive compared to other first team selections. He, along with Harden, have made what is arguably the worst first team ever.
I never put much stock in first teams, I honestly didn't even know Noah or Harden made it.

Just seemed to be weird timing, is all. You know, a quarter of the way through the following season and all...

[kshutts1]

Basing it on the following year, as OP has, I' say Shaq in 05/06 has an argument. He only played 40 games, averaging 17/7. Can't believe he made first team in 05/06 with that :facepalm

[kshutts1]

Jordan in his last year as a Bull was a bad first team selection basing it on his following "season" as well.

[Fire Colangelo]

Basing it on the following year, as OP has, I' say Shaq in 05/06 has an argument. He only played 40 games, averaging 17/7. Can't believe he made first team in 05/06 with that :facepalm

Why basing it on the following year? All NBA teams are based on the current year.....?

Shaq made the 1st team in 06 playing 60 games averaging like 20/10/2 on 60% shooting... what does the 07 season have to do with it...?

[Fire Colangelo]

In terms of being selected in an all-NBA team, these are the players of the last 10 years who were selected in previous years who Noah was more deserving (keep in mind wrong selections are made every year):

'14: Chris Paul, James Harden
'13: Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan
'12: Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant
'11: Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant
'10: Kobe Bryant
'09: Dirk Nowitzki
'08: Nobody
'07: Amare Stoudemire, Steve Nash
'06: Shaquille O'Neal, Steve Nash
'05: Steve Nash


He literally has no argument over any of those guys. Zero argument. Maybe 06 Shaq and 07 Amare you can make cases for, and they're not even strong arguments. Oh 13 Duncan is a good one tho.



Most of the guys who make the 1st team either have:
1. Amazing stats ala 03 Tmac, 06 Kobe, 11-13 Kobe, etc.
2. Great team record: Nash, 13 Duncan, etc guys whose intangibles don't show up in the box score, but show up in the wins losses colume.

Noah had neither. His stats weren't amazing, his team record was decent. Doesn't mean he doesn't deserve it, just means it was a weak selection.

Just like how Steve Nash's MVP are weak, but deserved. It was just weak years for MVP with Shaq going to Miami, Kobe stuck on a shitty team, Wade/Lebron too young, Etc.

Same with Rose's MVP. Durant too young, Kobe's team declining, Wade and Lebron teaming up, etc. It was well deserved, just a weak selection compared to most.

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Why basing it on the following year? All NBA teams are based on the current year.....?

Shaq made the 1st team in 06 playing 60 games averaging like 20/10/2 on 60% shooting... what does the 07 season have to do with it...?
I'm more mocking the timing of this thread. Questioning Noah's inclusion on first team.... a quarter of the way through the next season. It just seems that this season was used to argue against Noah LAST season. Follow?

[Fire Colangelo]

I'm more mocking the timing of this thread. Questioning Noah's inclusion on first team.... a quarter of the way through the next season. It just seems that this season was used to argue against Noah LAST season. Follow?

Could've been something the OP thought of when he saw Noah's stats or somewhere.

I don't think he was using this season to judge Noah's selection last year... Pretty sure he's basing it on Noah's play last year compared to other 1st team selections....

In which I would agree that Noah is probably one of the worst players out of 1st teamers in the past decade or so.