Josh Smith waived by Detroit

[DirkNowitzki41]

Pistons waive Josh Smith (http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=16987)

:biggums: :biggums:

[Nash]

Can Lebron have him?

[tontoz]

Wow. So they are still stuck paying his full salary? :lol

[Detroit]

:biggums: :biggums:

Why not trade him ? Anyways, I'M HAPPY! :banana: :cheers: :banana:

[christian1923]

Get it done mitch

[Hey Yo]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2 minutes ago

The same Josh Smith, folks, who is owed $26 million over the next two seasons AFTER this one. Released by Stan Van Gundy just now

[hawksdogsbraves]

Wow

What does this mean, can anybody sign him? How much do they have to pay him?

[Lexington Steel]

:biggums:

[hawksdogsbraves]

Why not trade him ? Anyways, I'M HAPPY! :banana: :cheers: :banana:

Because no team in their right minds wanted him.

[MP.Trey]

Is this true? Absolutely no trade value so they had to waive him.

:roll: @ this guys career.

[Nikola_]

dat 41% TS:biggums:

[Doctor Rivers]

dat 41% TS:biggums:

Better than Kobe

[shallehalle]

I don't think any contending team wanted him. Too small to guard PF, too slow to guard SF, unreliable shot and low IQ. And rebuilding teams didn't want to pay him.

It will be interesting which team picks him up.

Is Josh Smith now the one who decides where he wants to go?

[CelticBaller]

thank ****ing god

now get jennings out of there

[bigkingsfan]

48 hours on waivers, hopefully the Kings don't pick him up. :facepalm

[Hey Yo]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2 minutes ago

Safest bet in professional sports right now: Josh Smith will clear waivers in 48 hours and have the right to go elsewhere as a free agent

[Eric Cartman]

Give props to Stan Van Gundy for this one.

Dude is a cancer and he got rid of him, at a really steep price I may add.

My sauces tell me Van Gundy tried to trade him but no trade buddies appeared.

[CelticBaller]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2 minutes ago
China, where his chucking may be entertaining

[Young X]

:biggums:

[MP.Trey]

Next player to go to China. Book it. No NBA team will actually sign this guy. Might as well sign to that team that has Blatche and Jordan Crawford.

[T_L_P]

Balls to the wall move, and a necessary one.

[Trollsmasher]

Is he good? Can Cavs get him?

Sign him and ban him from taking shots outside of 10 feet within the basket.

[Nikola_]

Better than Kobe

bean currently sitting at strong 48%, making almost half of his true alpa shots:bowdown:

[boozehound]

Balls to the wall move, and a necessary one.
yep. Unfortunately he gave him about 15 games too many, but I can only guess he was trying to develop some trade interest. Oh well, **** that dude, glad hes gone. Now lets see if MIL will re-do the jennings/knight and middleton trade.... ha

[R.I.P.]

48 hours on waivers, hopefully the Kings don't pick him up. :facepalm

Don

[DirkNowitzki41]

Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojYahooNBA
Pistons will use stretch provision on remaining $26 million of Josh Smith's contract, league source tells Yahoo. This gives some cap relief.
12:01 PM - 22 Dec 2014

[Lexington Steel]

A team will definitely pick him up. Dude knows, or should know, that his stock is at the lowest of his career, so he'll accept whatever job comes at him even at a low cost. Detroit still owes him big money anyways.

My bet is that he goes to the Kings or Heat.

[DirkNowitzki41]

Chris Mannix ‏@ChrisMannixSI 33s 33 seconds ago
Smith should have plenty of suitors in free agency. Sacramento's made a run at him before. Keep an eye on Dallas: Smith is close with Rondo.

[Hey Yo]

Basketball Reference ‏@bball_ref 4 minutes ago

The #Pistons have been 12.3 points per 100 possessions better with Josh Smith off the floor this season: http://gaedel.me/GimB5

[SCdac]

Hope the Spurs stay far away from him, but I think we'll see rumors of their interest (due partly to Kawhi's injuries) :(

[R.I.P.]

Aren

[CelticBaller]

Chris Mannix ‏@ChrisMannixSI 33s 33 seconds ago
Smith should have plenty of suitors in free agency. Sacramento's made a run at him before. Keep an eye on Dallas: Smith is close with Rondo.
in Dallas he may actually do something, Rondo + Ellis+ Smith on the break will be insane and Carlisle will bench him when he start chucking shots

[qrich]

I'd take him on the Clips, can't be any worse than Barnes.

[longtime lurker]

Right now Sacramento is laughing saying thanks suckers !

[imdaman99]

Chris Mannix ‏@ChrisMannixSI 33s 33 seconds ago
Smith should have plenty of suitors in free agency. Sacramento's made a run at him before. Keep an eye on Dallas: Smith is close with Rondo.
Smith and Rondo in the same lineup? :roll:

Dat spacing.

I'll take him on the Knicks and shut Melo down and strengthen the tank :pimp:

[CelticBaller]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Aren

[SCdac]

shit I hope he goes to Dallas. Dude's a career .28% three point shooter and .64% FT shooter :lol

[CelticBaller]

Smith and Rondo in the same lineup? :roll:

Dat spacing.
Rondo
Ellis
Parsons
Smith
Dirk


Dat fast break

[JohnnyBravo5]

He can come back home as a 9th man. Rather see him than Antc or Muscala or even Thabos non shooting azz at this point.

[Wavves]

Kings will surely sign him.

[fpliii]

Smart move. :applause:

SVG :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Monroe is overrated as hell, but he can do much more for you than JSmoove.

[SCdac]

Rondo
Ellis
Parsons
Smith
Dirk


Dat fast break

Parsons-Dirk-Smith front court seems pretty shitty defensively

[Andrew Wiggins]

wow, is this the biggest contract that's ever been waived? :eek:

i'm far from a fan of this guy but he has some value to every single contender, IF he's willing to accept a bench role and stick to his strengths. that's a huge if however

[tontoz]

in Dallas he may actually do something, Rondo + Ellis+ Smith on the break will be insane and Carlisle will bench him when he start chucking shots


No it wont because Smith will try to lead the break himself. I doubt any coach can get through to him.

[CelticBaller]

Parsons-Dirk-Smith front court seems pretty shitty defensively
Yeah, but that isn't a starting lineup, just a rotation. God forbid him start in the Mavs

[DirkNowitzki41]

in Dallas he may actually do something, Rondo + Ellis+ Smith on the break will be insane and Carlisle will bench him when he start chucking shots

not to mention the mavs have no decent back up bigs. Charlie V and Greg Smith :biggums:

[tontoz]

Parsons-Dirk-Smith front court seems pretty shitty defensively


Not sure what he is doing in Detroit but in Atlanta he was always an impact defender. He becomes an idiot when he has the ball in his hands though.

[DMAVS41]

Parsons-Dirk-Smith front court seems pretty shitty defensively

Anyone you pair with Parsons/Dirk is going to be shitty.

Hell, we have a pretty shitty front court defense and Tyson Chandler has been amazing for us.

Smith wouldn't be out there with Dirk a lot if he came to Dallas. He'd play the Wright role and essentially be Dirk's backup.

Now...I don't really want him...just saying that it would kind of make sense and he's actually a better defender than Wright. Smith is a really good defender actually.

[CelticBaller]

No it wont because Smith will try to lead the break himself. I doubt any coach can get through to him.
Rondo is his boy thou, maybe somehow he gets the memo

Doubt it though, he deserves to be out of the league for being such an idiot with all his talent

[MP.Trey]

This must be good for Drummond/Monroe's fantasy value. Who else? Kyle Singler worth a look?

[kNIOKAS]

Just a couple years ago he was a fantasy juggernaut and a really welcomed player. How times change, and how fans' attitudes actually catch up (in this rare case).

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Hope the Spurs stay far away from him, but I think we'll see rumors of their interest (due partly to Kawhi's injuries) :(
you could potentially get a max contract player at a steep discount. spurs would be foolish not to bring him on board. worst comes to worst, you cut him. he'll work out under pop. plus you keep him from going to the mavs.

[ArbitraryWater]

Rondo
Ellis
Parsons
Smith
Dirk


Dat fast break

:roll: :roll:

slow break

[CelticBaller]

Anyone you pair with Parsons/Dirk is going to be shitty.

Hell, we have a pretty shitty front court defense and Tyson Chandler has been amazing for us.

Smith wouldn't be out there with Dirk a lot if he came to Dallas. He'd play the Wright role and essentially be Dirk's backup.

Now...I don't really want him...just saying that it would kind of make sense and he's actually a better defender than Wright. Smith is a really good defender actually.
You want shooters with smith, take dirk out or parsons and the spacing will be horrible

[chocolatethunder]

As a Dallas fan, I don't want him but I can't see Dallas not going after him. They are thin up front so it's probably worth a shot.

[Papaya Petee]

If he takes the minimum and PROMISES to never take a 3 Point jumpshot, he can come off the Heat bench.

[CelticBaller]

Not sure what he is doing in Detroit but in Atlanta he was always an impact defender. He becomes an idiot when he has the ball in his hands though.
dude is great defender, can defend the 4 but the problem in Detroit was that he was constantly tasked to defend faster SFs

[tontoz]

He is friends with Dwight too and Houston is pretty thin on the front line.

[brandonislegend]

If he takes the minimum and PROMISES to never take a 3 Point jumpshot, he can come off the Heat bench.
:roll:

[DMAVS41]

You want shooters with smith, take dirk out or parsons and the spacing will be horrible

Playing Smith at the 3 is what killed him. He'd play the Wright role. He'd be out there with Dirk when we go small with Dirk at center...and he'd be out there with Harris/Ellis/Parsons/Chandler routinely as well.

[Thorpesaurous]

That is a ballsy ballsy move. And I do wonder if there's a touch of not unlike the Rondo trade, it might be worth being fleeced a bit in order to start the tanking a bit earlier. That said I can't say I've seen a ton of him of late other than the mocking highlights.

That Piston roster was horribly assembled. And while there's some truth to the "even successful tweeners generally don't age well", I do think he could still provide some bench value to a contender with versatility defensively, some vision and ball handling, and just filling the lane end to end. The thing about most contending teams, is that they usually have a strong coach anyway.

He'd be interesting to me for the Clips. He couldn't be worse than Matt Barnes. And he'd free up some versatile lineups. Plus Doc is exactly the kind of coach who could work a guy like Josh Smith.

Dallas is another one. They've already shaken things up, and there is perhaps something to the notion that they maybe rocked the boat harder than they should've, although I don't buy that, I do understand the thinking. And adding another non-shooter maybe isn't ideal. But they're thin up front. They just traded away a ton of depth. They had success with Shawn Marion the last few years, and there is definitely some similarities. At least enough that you could use some similar actions. And Rick Carlisle is the most creative coach in the league. Plus Smith and Rondo are friends back from their HS days at Oak Hill. If Dallas is really interested in keeping him past this year, that may be a little boost for them.

I believe the money works that whatever a team signs him for, comes off of what the Pistons have to pay him.

[longtime lurker]

Playing Smith at the 3 is what killed him. He'd play the Wright role. He'd be out there with Dirk when we go small with Dirk at center...and he'd be out there with Harris/Ellis/Parsons/Chandler routinely as well.

If Dallas picks up Smith and JO well damn

[T_L_P]

How many of these players have worked out anywhere else?

He's a cancer, really. SVG is a known hard-ass, and he responded less to him than he did Cheeks.

Dallas shouldn't approach imo. Rondo is a big enough risk.

[PJR]

If he takes the minimum and PROMISES to never take a 3 Point jumpshot, he can come off the Heat bench.

This.

I want that written in his contract though. If he takes a 3, his contract becomes null and void.

[Eric Cartman]

He is friends with Dwight too and Houston is pretty thin on the front line.

This makes alot of sense.

[NustABut]

Hopefully who ever picks him up can whip his ass into his right mind...

He's a talented player... just needs to know his role :facepalm

[Uncle Drew]

This makes alot of sense.
Isn't Mchale in love with iso's and 3's? Yikes.

[DMAVS41]

How many of these players have worked out anywhere else?

He's a cancer, really. SVG is a known hard-ass, and he responded less to him than he did Cheeks.

Dallas shouldn't approach imo. Rondo is a big enough risk.

I don't want him either, but I don't think there is a risk. He'd play 15 minutes a game max.

Carlisle/Cuban would just send him packing if he came in and didn't work hard or wasn't a team first guy.

The thing about Smith that is enticing is that he plays really good defense and he rebounds well. Exactly what the Mavs need. Smith is just a better basketball player than Wright and a markedly better defender imo. So I'd understand the impulse to sign him.

I don't think it's a big risk or anything..I just don't want him.

[wally_world]

I wouldnt mind him on OKC. Would thrive in the fastbreak and can play between KD and Ibaka (enough range to spread the floor, enough interior defense/lateral quickness)

[Eric Cartman]

This.

I want that written in his contract though. If he takes a 3, his contract becomes null and void.

Loophole: contested mid range shots after +5 dribbles.

[Lexington Steel]

What's the Pistons lineup gonna look like now?

Jennings (Get rid of him ASAP too)
Meeks
Singler?
Monroe
Drummond

[boozehound]

Playing Smith at the 3 is what killed him. He'd play the Wright role. He'd be out there with Dirk when we go small with Dirk at center...and he'd be out there with Harris/Ellis/Parsons/Chandler routinely as well.
he has hardly played at the 3 this year. They tried it in a couple of games max (and actually won one because of it). He has been a 4 all year and he has been terrible.

[longtime lurker]

What's the Pistons lineup gonna look like now?

Jennings (Get rid of him ASAP too)
Meeks
Singler?
Monroe
Drummond

Didn't know you post here. Big big fan of your work.

[DMAVS41]

he has hardly played at the 3 this year. They tried it in a couple of games max (and actually won one because of it). He has been a 4 all year and he has been terrible.

I'm talking about in the past...I haven't seen enough this year to offer a valid opinion.

I'm assuming he's still capable of playing the kind of defense he played last year. If he is...then he can help a lot of teams.

[R.I.P.]

If he takes the minimum and PROMISES to never take a 3 Point jumpshot, he can come off the Heat bench.

The guy takes about 1.5 threes per game. Given it

[boozehound]

What's the Pistons lineup gonna look like now?

Jennings (Get rid of him ASAP too)
Meeks
Singler?
Monroe
Drummond
jennings
KCP
Singler (hopefully the give some time to Gigi here as well)
Monroe
Drummond

with
Augustin
Meeks
Butler
Jerebko in the rotation


That would be my guess

[DMAVS41]

Rockets seem to be a great fit on paper. Kind of what they need to be honest.

Sadly, Mavs are a good fit on paper as well. I just hope we don't pull this trigger.

The Rondo/Smith connection scares me.

[SCdac]

you could potentially get a max contract player at a steep discount. spurs would be foolish not to bring him on board. worst comes to worst, you cut him. he'll work out under pop. plus you keep him from going to the mavs.

dude is just a cancer and has a horrible shot. Keep him from going to the Mavs? Shit I want him to go the Mavs. He's fool's gold.

[Eric Cartman]

Isn't Mchale in love with iso's and 3's? Yikes.

He does love to shoot 3's :confusedshrug:

Could get pretty ugly doe.

[JonatanRey]

What's the Pistons lineup gonna look like now?

Jennings (Get rid of him ASAP too)
Meeks
Singler?
Monroe
Drummond


KCP. SVG already said he is gonna have more touches.

[tontoz]

Loophole: contested mid range shots after +5 dribbles.

:lol

I dont think his midrange shots are contested very often.

[DMAVS41]

He does love to shoot 3's :confusedshrug:

Could get pretty ugly doe.

Why?

That is perfect for him.

Take a ton of 3's and attack the basket in transition and semi transition. And his defense/rebounding would help them.

[sbw19]

I can see him coming off the bench for a title-contender.

[magmo68]

WTF...would love to have him on the Lakers, but he's going to the Rockets

[The_Yearning]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGQLPczlWD8

[boozehound]

KCP. SVG already said he is gonna have more touches.
Yeah,
I think that they should start meeks and KCP as the wings. with Singler off the bench.

[GimmeThat]

The idea of him playing along with hilario for the wizard
Beats him with the rockets



Hippos

[Pointguard]

The only reason I don't like him on Dallas is that there are too many new pieces and he goes off into his own world too much. He really needs structure or he is just going to distract the program. I think he would be better on a team that had the roles established for a minute.

He could possibly be on tract in Clipperland. The roles are in place and CP can keep him interested. One of the few places I think he could work, outside of a team seeking to tank.

[tontoz]

He is taking 14 shots a game and has a TS of 41.7%. I have never seen anyone taking that many shots with efficiency that bad. Wow

[The_Yearning]

He is taking 14 shots a game and has a TS of 41.7%. I have never seen anyone taking that many shots with efficiency that bad. Wow

Austin Rivers will finish with even worse numbers when it's all said and done.

[SCdac]

He is taking 14 shots a game and has a TS of 41.7%. I have never seen anyone taking that many shots with efficiency that bad. Wow

and he's missed 350+ free throws within the last 3 seasons (.52 FT%). Not good lol

[boozehound]

He is taking 14 shots a game and has a TS of 41.7%. I have never seen anyone taking that many shots with efficiency that bad. Wow
leading shot taker on the pistons and the worst on/off point differential of any major rotational player in the league.

Dude has some solid defensive plays, but he is out of position/off rotation all the time as well.

[chocolatethunder]

leading shot taker on the pistons and the worst on/off point differential of any major rotational player in the league.

Dude has some solid defensive plays, but he is out of position/off rotation all the time as well.
Can you bring back Duane Allman please?

[StephHamann]

Josh Smith to the Mavs!!!!

:bowdown:

[Styles p]

hahahahahaha fvck stan van gundy fat pile of turds, remember when he was talking all that shit on the sixers for tanking? http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/03/steve_van_gundy_calls_sixers_e.html waving talent for nothing in return sounds to me like they're gonna be going down the same path. :roll:

[sfballa13]

Cleveland - sign him and then trade Thompson/Waiters for an impact C
Dallas - lost Wright, best friends with Rondo, Cuban goes for the chip
Houston - friends with Dwight, doubt they take him on tho
San Antonio - Duncan is playing big minutes, Pop can get thru to him

[chocolatethunder]

Hopefully who ever picks him up can whip his ass into his right mind...

He's a talented player... just needs to know his role :facepalm

What's this mean? Isn't part of being talented knowing what you can and can't do? He's a moron, that about sums up his career.

[LoneyROY7]

I'd take him on the Clips, can't be any worse than Barnes.

:facepalm

C'mon son, you know better than that.

[Hotlantadude81]

He can come back home as a 9th man. Rather see him than Antc or Muscala or even Thabos non shooting azz at this point.

Moose has actually shown that he can be a productive player when he gets minutes.

[navy]

:facepalm

C'mon son, you know better than that.
He right, but only if CP3 and Doc can keep him in check. Im not sure if they can.

[LoneyROY7]

He right, but only if CP3 and Doc can keep him in check. Im not sure if they can.

I don't care who thinks they can keep him in check, I don't want that dude anywhere NEAR my team.

[TylerOO]

Cleveland - sign him and then trade Thompson/Waiters for an impact C
Dallas - lost Wright, best friends with Rondo, Cuban goes for the chip
Houston - friends with Dwight, doubt they take him on tho
San Antonio - Duncan is playing big minutes, Pop can get thru to him

Thompson >>>>>> Smith

[ArbitraryWater]

http://i.gyazo.com/0f7b8af4aa68284d7f9d35af43257d93.png

[Dresta]

hahahahahaha fvck stan van gundy fat pile of turds, remember when he was talking all that shit on the sixers for tanking? http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/03/steve_van_gundy_calls_sixers_e.html waving talent for nothing in return sounds to me like they're gonna be going down the same path. :roll:
According to the numbers this'll make Detroit better tho :confusedshrug:

[Done_And_Done]

Smith consuming a spot in Dallas' starting 5???

Any fan of the Mav should forbid such a move. The only place this guy belongs is on the bench and on a very short leash. The fact that he still believes he is capable of being a perimeter threat speaks to his mental idiocy. Kudos to Stan for having the balls to make such a bold move. The Pistons just cut the head off the monster....

[Rake2204]

hahahahahaha fvck stan van gundy fat pile of turds, remember when he was talking all that shit on the sixers for tanking? http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/03/steve_van_gundy_calls_sixers_e.html waving talent for nothing in return sounds to me like they're gonna be going down the same path. :roll:As someone who's watched every single Pistons game so far this year (I know, torturous), I don't think waiving Smith is a call for tanking. From all reports I've seen, Van Gundy was desperately trying to unload Smith via trade (particularly over the last few days) but everyone was fully aware of what he'd been bringing to the table (i.e. a $26 million contract and just absolutely awful offensive play). As a result, teams were unwilling to take Smith unless a first round pick came along with it.

The Pistons definitely have other problems, but Smith might have been one of the biggest. He was absolute poison to this team.

[WallIn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZhrwS5W2Xk

[Done_And_Done]

hahahahahaha fvck stan van gundy fat pile of turds, remember when he was talking all that shit on the sixers for tanking? http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/03/steve_van_gundy_calls_sixers_e.html waving talent for nothing in return sounds to me like they're gonna be going down the same path. :roll:

This has nothing to do with tanking and everything to do with riding themselves of a player/contract that was virtually immovable. Dashing this guy for absolutely nothing is the far better option than having him on that team.

[R.I.P.]

Btw that

[LoneyROY7]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Btw that

[ArbitraryWater]

As someone who's watched every single Pistons game so far this year

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[Smook A.]

http://i.gyazo.com/0f7b8af4aa68284d7f9d35af43257d93.png
Fuuuuuuuuuccckkkkkkk

[LoneyROY7]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

:roll:

[Rake2204]

By the way, someone mentioned the stretch clause earlier in this thread. If I understand it correctly, it allows teams to double the amount of time to pay off a waived player's contract (plus one year). So instead of covering $26 million over two years ($13 mil per), the Pistons can stretch that out to a little over $5 million a year over the next five years.


http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gifHaha.

[StephHamann]

Smith consuming a spot in Dallas' starting 5???

Any fan of the Mav should forbid such a move. The only place this guy belongs is on the bench and on a very short leash. The fact that he still believes he is capable of being a perimeter threat speaks to his mental idiocy. Kudos to Stan for having the balls to make such a bold move. The Pistons just cut the head off the monster....

Of course for the bench, he only needs to grab rebounds play D and make some alley op plays.

Carlisle can form him into an productive player.

[Nash]

Lakers pls, Kobe, Josh and swaggy

[Styles p]

ok so according to so many on here Detroit is going to start piling up the wins now that josh smith is gone :rolleyes:

[Done_And_Done]

Of course for the bench, he only needs to grab rebounds play D and make some alley op plays.

Carlisle can form him into an productive player.

I seriously question whether anyone can. A major part of me feels this guy is just better off uprooting to China. He's that stupid.

[r0drig0lac]

it is going to Houston

[Done_And_Done]

ok so according to so many on here Detroit is going to start piling up the wins now that josh smith is gone :rolleyes:

Definitely not the case. They're still a lottery team but making this move positions them in a much healthier state for the future. Two more years of Josh Smith at his steep price tag is a big no-no...

[Rake2204]

ok so according to so many on here Detroit is going to start piling up the wins now that josh smith is gone :rolleyes:As mentioned in the first response to your post, the Pistons absolutely have many more problems. But it doesn't mean they shouldn't begin trying to solve them one by one. Ridding of Smith is putting out one fire (39% shooting, 24% from three, 48% from the stripe while leading the team in field goal attempts by a country mile). There remains numerous other issues to tackle.

However bad the Pistons are, Smith was very often making them even worse.

[LoneyROY7]

Fuuuuuuuuuccckkkkkkk

I feel you, dude.

If I see that the Clips are interested, I'll be pissed.

[Heavincent]

It seems to me like some people in this thread aren't aware that Josh Smith is NOT a good player. There's a reason why he just got the Lamar Odom treatment.

[R.I.P.]

:biggums:

Smith was almost 20/10/5 throughout his eight years in Atlanta. That counts more to me than forcing him to play at SF on a team where literally nobody can shoot. He

[Mass Debator]

Rockets, Mavs, Heat, Kings, and Cavs. That order.

[boozehound]

As someone who's watched every single Pistons game so far this year (I know, torturous), I don't think waiving Smith is a call for tanking. From all reports I've seen, Van Gundy was desperately trying to unload Smith via trade (particularly over the last few days) but everyone was fully aware of what he'd been bringing to the table (i.e. a $26 million contract and just absolutely awful offensive play). As a result, teams were unwilling to take Smith unless a first round pick came along with it.

The Pistons definitely have other problems, but Smith might have been one of the biggest. He was absolute poison to this team.
I agree with this (as another person who has sadly watched every pistons game this year). Dude was an offensive and defensive liability in most games. His steals and blocks are always gambles, and he rarely makes the right rotation to cover up a player after they send help. This is not a move to tank. If anything, the pistons will win more games without him. Looking forward to the new pistons!

[Hey Yo]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 3 minutes ago

ESPN sources say Pistons have since aggressively shopped Josh Smith for weeks but that Sacramento was only team to express any interest

[Myth]

Fuuuuuuuuuccckkkkkkk

He's going to join his buddy Dwight.

[Styles p]

Definitely not the case. They're still a lottery team but making this move positions them in a much healthier state for the future. Two more years of Josh Smith at his steep price tag is a big no-no...


yup sounds like tanking to me being in the lottery, riding yourselves of bad contracts looking to the future...

[boozehound]

ok so according to so many on here Detroit is going to start piling up the wins now that josh smith is gone :rolleyes:
can you quote a post that says this? They will probably be better, but they are still going to lost the majority of their games.

[Heavincent]

hahahahahaha fvck stan van gundy fat pile of turds, remember when he was talking all that shit on the sixers for tanking? http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/03/steve_van_gundy_calls_sixers_e.html waving talent for nothing in return sounds to me like they're gonna be going down the same path. :roll:

This isn't tanking. Josh Smith chucking up jumpers is suicide inducing for a coach.

[bluechox2]

i dont get it, kings wanted him, so why not just hand him over and get off scott free from his contract

[LoneyROY7]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Smith was almost 20/10/5 throughout his eight years in Atlanta. That counts more to me than forcing him to play at SF on a team where literally nobody can shoot. He

[Done_And_Done]

Styles... This guy ain't helping anyone win games as a 30+ minute player.

[Rake2204]

i dont get it, kings wanted him, so why not just hand him over and get off scott free from his contractIf I had to guess, the Pistons probably didn't love the deal they had on the table from Sacramento in the off-season and thought there'd be better options to come. Then, nothing else likely came down the pipe (as Smith played even worse than he did last year), leading to every offer (even Sacramento) looking for a first rounder in return.

[Smook A.]

I feel you, dude.

If I see that the Clips are interested, I'll be pissed.
http://i.imgur.com/AcaMHHX.png

Shiiiett. The feeling you get when your team is interested in Josh Smith... ouch

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

By the way, someone mentioned the stretch clause earlier in this thread. If I understand it correctly, it allows teams to double the amount of time to pay off a waived player's contract (plus one year). So instead of covering $26 million over two years ($13 mil per), the Pistons can stretch that out to a little over $5 million a year over the next five years.

Haha.

if a team signs him, they deduct that from his contract w/ the pistons, correct? no point in josh smith taking anything over the minimum, right?

[Myth]

http://i.imgur.com/AcaMHHX.png

Shiiiett. The feeling you get when your team is interested in Josh Smith... ouch

:roll:

[LoneyROY7]

http://i.imgur.com/AcaMHHX.png

Shiiiett. The feeling you get when your team is interested in Josh Smith... ouch

http://replygif.net/i/272.gif

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Lakers need to make a run at him, what do they have to lose? Imagine Kobe, Smith and Young on the court at the same damn time :bowdown:

Prime Shaq on that squad would have 30 rebounds a game, easily.

[Heavincent]

Obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZhrwS5W2Xk

[LoneyROY7]

If Josh f*cking Smith ends up on the Clippers...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcyky6zz0h1rjxj9ko1_r2_250.gif

[Heavincent]

Lakers need to make a run at him, what do they have to lose? Imagine Kobe, Smith and Young on the court at the same damn time :bowdown:

Prime Shaq on that squad would have 30 rebounds a game, easily.

Lob City's got nothing on Brick City :bowdown:

[CelticBaller]

lmao

doc rivers will put smith on a ****ing leash, smarten up

[LoneyROY7]

I will have a legit meltdown on ISH if we ending up signing this f*cking guy.

[ArbitraryWater]

LoneyROY & Smook be like

http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2014/11/14/635515964280865297-8886480_michaelscott10.gif

[R.I.P.]

http://i.imgur.com/AcaMHHX.png

Shiiiett. The feeling you get when your team is interested in Josh Smith... ouch

Yeah right now everywhere in New York fans breathe a sigh of relief. Sure we suck ****ing donkey balls, but at least we are not interested in Josh Smith like the Rockets, Mavs and Clippers. Let

[Levity]

I will have a legit meltdown on ISH if we ending up signing this f*cking guy.

Clippersfan86 style I'd hope. Complete with tranny picture posting

[WallIn]

Kings interested in Smith. I can't :oldlol:

[LoneyROY7]

I'm already having visions of the game being on the line, both CP and Blake are begging for the ball, and Josh Smith proceeds to chuck up a 23 footer that clangs off the side of the rim.

http://media.giphy.com/media/EZshVIW0MmnbG/giphy.gif

[insidehoops]

Josh Smith this season: 13.1 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 4.7 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.7 bpg, 39% FG, 24% threes, 47% FT

[ArbitraryWater]

Josh Smith this season: 13.1 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 4.7 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.7 bpg, 39% FG, 24% threes, 47% FT

elite playmaking, must have for any team

[tontoz]

Fuuuuuuuuuccckkkkkkk


The key to having Smith on your team is not letting him touch the ball on the perimeter. And don't let him try to lead the break. If you can do that then he could be ok.

He was good on D in Atlanta. He probably got a bit lazy with the Pistons but on a good team i think he can be a good defender AT THE 4. He isn't quick enough to defend the 3.

[Hey Yo]

Lob City's got nothing on Brick City :bowdown:
That's some funny shit right there.

:applause:

[Levity]

Josh Smith this season: 13.1 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 4.7 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.7 bpg, 39% FG, 24% threes, 47% FT

http://i.imgur.com/0016Rds.gif

[DMAVS41]

Bet he's pretty good on the Rockets.

[Smook A.]

Josh Smith this season: 13.1 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 4.7 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.7 bpg, 39% FG, 24% threes, 47% FT
http://replygif.net/i/651.gif

[Myth]

I'm already having visions of the game being on the line, both CP and Blake are begging for the ball, and Josh Smith proceeds to chuck up a 23 footer that clangs off the side of the rim.

http://media.giphy.com/media/EZshVIW0MmnbG/giphy.gif

There needs to be a big smile on Durant's face here.

[LoneyROY7]

Clippersfan86 style I'd hope. Complete with tranny picture posting

I'd probably go the brujesino route and just start spamming f*cking gifs.

[bluechox2]

houston is a perfect fit

[boozehound]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Smith was almost 20/10/5 throughout his eight years in Atlanta. That counts more to me than forcing him to play at SF on a team where literally nobody can shoot. He

[CelticBaller]

The key to having Smith on your team is not letting him touch the ball on the perimeter. And don't let him try to lead the break. If you can do that then he could be ok.

He was good on D in Atlanta. He probably got a bit lazy with the Pistons but on a good team i think he can be a good defender AT THE 4. He isn't quick enough to defend the 3.
Josh smith is starting to get underrated here(LOL)

The dude was trying to be the first option in detroit, he can be an ok player as a 3rd or 2nd option, just look at his all star year in ATL

[tomtucker]

Lakers need to make a run at him, what do they have to lose? Imagine Kobe, Smith and Young on the court at the same damn time :bowdown:

Prime Shaq on that squad would have 30 rebounds a game, easily.
http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.10857834.8918/sticker,375x360.u1.png

[SugarHill]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif
:roll:

[tontoz]

Josh smith is starting to get underrated here(LOL)

The dude was trying to be the first option in detroit, he can be an ok player as a 3rd or 2nd option, just look at his all star year in ATL


Pretty sure he never made the All-Star team. The coaches wouldn't pick him because of his chucking.

[GimmeThat]

The key to having Smith on your team is not letting him touch the ball on the perimeter. And don't let him try to lead the break. If you can do that then he could be ok.

He was good on D in Atlanta. He probably got a bit lazy with the Pistons but on a good team i think he can be a good defender AT THE 4. He isn't quick enough to defend the 3.

I also think that hilario can help with his shot attempts
Where as Howard helping his defense ability/assignment to be much more minimal

[CelticBaller]

Pretty sure he never made the All-Star team. The coaches wouldn't pick him because of his chucking.
i though he was an all star in 2011 :facepalm ]

though he did have a huge following that year

[HomieWeMajor]

He's gonna go to Detroit to share some of that southern soul food that gives your diabetes and hypertension. :applause:

[tontoz]

I also think that hilario can help with his shot attempts
Where as Howard helping his defense ability/assignment to be much more minimal


No way in hell would i want him on the Wizards. If anything he needs to play with alpha scorers so he wont see the ball much. The Wizards don't have a big time scorer.

[outbreak]

Wow I thought he had some value still, stan starting to get things done. Someone with a strong set up already should pick him up, surely being waived will humble him a bit?

[navy]

Wow I thought he had some value still, stan starting to get things done. Someone with a strong set up already should pick him up, surely being waived will humble him a bit?
It never does.

He's more of a scrub than a dumbass these days though.

[ballup]

Does it hurt the offense more to freeze out Smith or pass to him when hes on the perimeter?

[tontoz]

Does it hurt the offense more to freeze out Smith or pass to him when hes on the perimeter?


Better to freeze him out. Eventually he will get a clue and stop hanging out on the perimeter if nobody passes to him.

[stalkerforlife]

Epic.

SVG don't play.

Smith can help some teams, it'll be interesting to see where he lands.

[Rooster]

Someone will pick him up after he clear waivers. He's gonna be a bargain and a low risk especially for a team that already has the core in place. I have not seen him play this season but I know that he's a capable player that can thrive in a certain role.

[rezznor]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5ezXKhCcAAsL41.png:large

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[LoneyROY7]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5ezXKhCcAAsL41.png:large

Barkley. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Smook A.]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @WojYahooNBA
"Yahoo Sources: Houston emerging as strongest suitor to sign Josh Smith."

I'm gonna leave a giant hole in the wall if Houston signs Smith.

[boozehound]

Someone will pick him up after he clear waivers. He's gonna be a bargain and a low risk especially for a team that already has the core in place. I have not seen him play this season but I know that he's a capable player that can thrive in a certain role.
funny that people who havent really watched him in 2 years think he can play a vital role on a decent team. Dude has lost some of his athleticism which is the only thing that gave him an edge in the NBA. He will end up on a team and will disappoint the fans there. Maybe not to the level he did in Detroit, but he will not be a significant rotation piece on any team that goes past the first round.

[noob cake]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @WojYahooNBA
"Yahoo Sources: Houston emerging as strongest suitor to sign Josh Smith."

I'm gonna leave a giant hole in the wall if Houston signs Smith.

He is as bad as Donuts at shooting the 3, so we can probably tolerate his 1.3 shots a game beyond the arc.

No worries, just bench him if he shoots any long 2. Restricted area shots only or GTFO.

[LoneyROY7]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @WojYahooNBA
"Yahoo Sources: Houston emerging as strongest suitor to sign Josh Smith."

I'm gonna leave a giant hole in the wall if Houston signs Smith.

You'd just have to hope that Dwight can keep him in check. :lol

[hawkfan]

Josh should come back to the Hawks.

[hawkfan]

You'd just have to hope that Dwight can keep him in check. :lol

Houston is not a good place for him.
He needs a strong point guard.

[rezznor]

Houston is not a good place for him.
He needs a strong point guard.
Dragic :D

[longtime lurker]

I hope he goes to Houston so I can watch with glee as they implode during the playoffs. Seriously though Smith and Howard would make a formidable defensive duo on the inside.

[bagelred]

Oh

My

god



What did the Pistons just do? He's going to be on Pistons books for TWO MORE YEARS after this.......i cannot believe this.

[boozehound]

He is as bad as Donuts at shooting the 3, so we can probably tolerate his 1.3 shots a game beyond the arc.

No worries, just bench him if he shoots any long 2. Restricted area shots only or GTFO.
he cannot make those either. His muscle memory always leaves them short since he cant jump like he used to.

[boozehound]

Oh

My

god



What did the Pistons just do? He's going to be on Pistons books for TWO MORE YEARS after this.......i cannot believe this.
5 more years since they used the stretch provision. I am fine with it. Its basically MLE level for the next 5 years as the cap rises astronomically. This was smart.

[hawkfan]

Oh

My

god



What did the Pistons just do? He's going to be on Pistons books for TWO MORE YEARS after this.......i cannot believe this.

It's a three way race to the bottom - Sixers, Knicks, and Pistons.
Pistons strike by releasing Josh.
Will the Knicks respond by releasing J.R.?

[Embers]

So let me get this right

Detroit have to pay Smith 30 mill still over 2 years but using the stretch provision only 5 mill is included in the cap?

Does Josh Smith get his 30 mill + whatever else he signs on for in the next 2 years or would Detroit just pay the difference?

[hawkfan]

So let me get this right

Detroit have to pay Smith 30 mill still over 2 years but using the stretch provision only 5 mill is included in the cap?

Does Josh Smith get his 30 mill + whatever else he signs on for in the next 2 years or would Detroit just pay the difference?

Josh gets his full amt owed, but Detroit can stretch it out over 5 years. Plus they subtract min. from other team.

[PsychoBe]

the national tragedy is finally over

edit: just reached 2k posts

[Embers]

Josh gets his full amt owed, but Detroit can stretch it out over 5 years. Plus they subtract min. from other team.

So if Houston sign him on 2 year 12 mill deal what do Detroit pay in the end?

[Embers]

Clippers is the best place for him IMO. He cant be worse at SF then Matt Barnes really.

[kshutts1]

So if Houston sign him on 2 year 12 mill deal what do Detroit pay in the end?
Detroit owes Smith his money.

If someone claims Smith off waivers, that means that they won the bidding war. Let's say Spurs bid 5m a year. Spurs would pay the 5m a year, and Pistons would pay the difference, to make up Josh's current salary.
If, however, Smith clear's waivers, then Pistons owe him full amount, PLUS Smith gets whatever salary is offered to him.

I could be wrong, but i'm 75% sure that's how it works.

[gts]

So if Houston sign him on 2 year 12 mill deal what do Detroit pay in the end?
Houston will only pay MLE, why would they offer a penny over? they'll pay the bare minimum... basically a million per

So stretch out whats owed to Smith over 5 years then subtract 1 million per year from that amount and that's what the pistons will be paying

Not knowing his actual numbers i'd say roughly 5 million per year on the books

[noob cake]

So if Houston sign him on 2 year 12 mill deal what do Detroit pay in the end?

Detroit Pays: $14,000,000 - (($6,000,000 - $762,795) /2 ) = $11,381,397
Houston Pays: $2,077,000 (max they can offer, almost 3x more than any other contender)
Smith Gets: $13,458,397

[kshutts1]

Now that I think about it more, the "bidding" I referred to only applies to amnesty, I think.

So anyone that picks Smith up on waivers, or any other player, assumes their full cap responsibility.

[tontoz]

So if Houston sign him on 2 year 12 mill deal what do Detroit pay in the end?


Nobody is going to pay anything more than the min for him. He will clear waivers and then someone will pick him up for the min in free agency.

[UK2K]

Now that I think about it more, the "bidding" I referred to only applies to amnesty, I think.

So anyone that picks Smith up on waivers, or any other player, assumes their full cap responsibility.
I would be absolutely shocked if he doesn't clear waivers.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Houston made a move afterwards.

[kshutts1]

I would be absolutely shocked if he doesn't clear waivers.
Same. Just trying to give the rules.
Either he is claimed, and his salary is picked up, and Detroit is cleared of responsibility,
or
He is not claimed, he becomes a FA, and Detroit owes him his full contract no matter what he gets from another team.

[Rooster]

Nobody is going to pay anything more than the min for him. He will clear waivers and then someone will pick him up for the min in free agency.

I think someone will take a risk and offer more than the minimum just to get him once he clear waivers.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Too lazy to read all 14 pages, but who is likely to claim him? Houston?

[Real14]

I'm just glad the celtics and suns are staying far away from him

http://media.tumblr.com/691e21f0ea8bfdaef1dc02aba8d0aced/tumblr_inline_mrrvwz3aKW1qz4rgp.gif

Who's replacing rondo tho?:coleman:

[Rooster]

Same. Just trying to give the rules.
Either he is claimed, and his salary is picked up, and Detroit is cleared of responsibility,
or
He is not claimed, he becomes a FA, and Detroit owes him his full contract no matter what he gets from another team.

If someone will claim him they will take the full responsibility which would be shocking . But once he clear waivers, Detroit will still be paying his full contract but they can stretch it to create cap space or take the hit for the next 2 years.

[kshutts1]

If the site I checked is correct, the Suns and Hawks are the only playoff-contending teams below the cap, and thus the only teams that can offer more than an "exception" or a "vet min".
The playoff-contending teams with the most room between the cap and the luxury tax, in descending order (most room first), are...
Chicago
New Orleans
Blazers
Spurs
Kings
Heat
Warriors
Cavs
Rockets
Mavs
Pacers
Thunder
Raptors
Grizzlies
Wizards

Obviously that's most of the teams. Take out those teams that have no need for him, or likely wouldn't want his personality, and you're left with..
Suns, Spurs, Kings (I don't think they should want him, but they do), Heat, Rockets, Mavs.

Used this site: http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nba/

[tontoz]

I think someone will take a risk and offer more than the minimum just to get him once he clear waivers.


No reason for anyone to do that. Smith will get the same total amount no matter where he goes. He will go where he wants for the min.

There won't be any bidding war because Detroit is on the hook for his full salary.

[kshutts1]

If someone will claim him they will take the full responsibility which would be shocking . But once he clear waivers, Detroit will still be paying his full contract but they can stretch it to create cap space or take the hit for the next 2 years.
Right. I don't know if you were saying it in your owns words to see if you understand it, but that's exactly what I just said, minus the stretch provision.

[noob cake]

Too lazy to read all 14 pages, but who is likely to claim him? Houston?

Only 76ers can claim him off the waiver.

Houston, Dallas, Sacramento, and LA Clippers are trying to sign him as a free agent on Wednesday.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Only 76ers can claim him off the waiver.

Houston, Dallas, Sacramento, and LA Clippers are trying to sign him as a free agent on Wednesday.

Clippers? How does he remotely fit with that team, other than another able body to catch lobs?

Makes sense, though. Thanks :cheers:

[tontoz]

Only 76ers can claim him off the waiver.




Isn't there a salary minimum that the Sixers have to meet? it would be awesome if they claimed him off waivers. :lol

[noob cake]

Isn't there a salary minimum that the Sixers have to meet? it would be awesome if they claimed him off waivers. :lol

Yes, they are 14m below the minimum. They can use the cap to get more second round picks, or just pay the difference.

Josh Smith has 2 years left. 0 incentive for them to claim him.

[Real14]

Cmon man, I was just getting over this rondo breakup, and you have to bring him up :(
My condolences bro:lol You root for the mavs at all now or no?

[tontoz]

Yes, they are 14m below the minimum. They can use the cap to get more second round picks, or just pay the difference.

Josh Smith has 2 years left. 0 incentive for them to claim him.


Yeah it wouldn't make sense but it would be funny though. A lot of GM moves don't make sense.

Detroit signing him to that huge deal to play the 3 was one of the dumbest moves in recent memory.

What happens to a team that doesn't meet the min? Do they just forfeit the difference at the end of the season?

[Embers]

Yeah it wouldn't make sense but it would be funny though. A lot of GM moves don't make sense.

Detroit signing him to that huge deal to play the 3 was one of the dumbest moves in recent memory.

What happens to a team that doesn't meet the min? Do they just forfeit the difference at the end of the season?

You have to pay something referred to as a NBA surcharge. I believe that pretty much winds up being the difference + a fine.

It wont happen in the end. Philly will sign a uber dud like Gerald Wallace and get a first round pick in the process

[UK2K]

I think someone will take a risk and offer more than the minimum just to get him once he clear waivers.
I think Houston is just far enough away from a title team but just close enough to contending that they take the risk. Why not? They'll still be in the Durant sweepstakes in a few summers.

[Big Cheese]

Josh should come back to the Hawks.

how about no :no:

[Meticode]

Brett Poirier
‏@BrettNBA

Team interested in Josh Smith:
Kings
Rockets
Mavs
Clippers
Heat

https://twitter.com/BrettNBA/status/547107157104402432

[hawkfan]

Brett Poirier
‏@BrettNBA

Team interested in Josh Smith:
Kings
Rockets
Mavs
Clippers
Heat

https://twitter.com/BrettNBA/status/547107157104402432

With Smith possibly signing with Kings for min., they can still trade for Deron W.

Williams, Mclemore, Gay, Smith, Cousins.

Hmm.

[Embers]

Still hoping Sactown get Kevin Love one of these days so we can go with a front court of

Gay
Love
Cousins

[Levity]

Still hoping Sactown get Kevin Love one of these days so we can go with a front court of

Gay
Love
Cousins

how dare you forget sessions is on the team too.

[bdreason]

I think the Mavs end up signing him.


I'd take him on the Warriors for the vet min.

[ralph_i_el]

Yeah it wouldn't make sense but it would be funny though. A lot of GM moves don't make sense.

Detroit signing him to that huge deal to play the 3 was one of the dumbest moves in recent memory.

What happens to a team that doesn't meet the min? Do they just forfeit the difference at the end of the season?

If you don't meet the minimum you have to pay the difference out split among the players on your roster, iirc

[KOBEtherealKing]

With Smith possibly signing with Kings for min., they can still trade for Deron W.

Williams, Mclemore, Gay, Smith, Cousins.

Hmm.
The gay smith cousins :applause:

[RRR3]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Yeah right now everywhere in New York fans breathe a sigh of relief. Sure we suck ****ing donkey balls, but at least we are not interested in Josh Smith like the Rockets, Mavs and Clippers. Let

[UK2K]

To be honest it would fulfill my wish for a low post player.

Smith/Jones
Howard/D Mo

Speaking purely out my ass, but is it possible for Houston to pick up Smith and still trade for Dragic? Can we make an all star team? Lol

[UK2K]

Dwight was the best man at Josh Smiths wedding

[Rake2204]

To be honest it would fulfill my wish for a low post player.

Smith/Jones
Howard/D Mo

Speaking purely out my ass, but is it possible for Houston to pick up Smith and still trade for Dragic? Can we make an all star team? LolI didn't watch a lot of Smith before he got to Detroit (aside from highlights) but in Motown, his post game was very subpar. He has the awkward release of Antawn Jamison with none of the touch. A lot of head down drives into a post defender's chest followed by high arching, floating pushes from uncomfortable angles.

Without trying to sound like a punk, the only real time I felt good about Josh Smith having the ball in his hands was after catching a pass while running the wing on a fast break. If all he did was run, catch, and finish, he'd maximize his effectiveness by doing much less.

Perhaps the team that picks him up will be so clearly loaded in the right spots that he'll have zero choice but to assimilate and fill a role more befitting to his talents. In Detroit, he always seemed to want to do 78% more than he was actually capable.

[josh99]

To be honest it would fulfill my wish for a low post player.

Smith/Jones
Howard/D Mo

Speaking purely out my ass, but is it possible for Houston to pick up Smith and still trade for Dragic? Can we make an all star team? Lol
Josh Smith in his current state is more of a jump shooter than a post up player.

[magmo68]

The gay smith cousins :applause:

Funny as ****

[tontoz]

I didn't watch a lot of Smith before he got to Detroit (aside from highlights) but in Motown, his post game was very subpar. He has the awkward release of Antawn Jamison with none of the touch. A lot of head down drives into a post defender's chest followed by high arching, floating pushes from uncomfortable angles.

Without trying to sound like a punk, the only real time I felt good about Josh Smith having the ball in his hands was after catching a pass while running the wing on a fast break. If all he did was run, catch, and finish, he'd maximize his effectiveness by doing much less.

Perhaps the team that picks him up will be so clearly loaded in the right spots that he'll have zero choice but to assimilate and fill a role more befitting to his talents. In Detroit, he always seemed to want to do 78% more than he was actually capable.


Playing the 3 kills his effectiveness on both ends. At the 4 he has enough quickness to get past guys and get to the rim. He did that pretty well in Atlanta. He can't do that against 3s.

And he obviously doesn't have the footspeed to guard 3s. Just a horrible signing by Dumars. I was dumbfounded when that deal was announced.

[UK2K]

I didn't watch a lot of Smith before he got to Detroit (aside from highlights) but in Motown, his post game was very subpar. He has the awkward release of Antawn Jamison with none of the touch. A lot of head down drives into a post defender's chest followed by high arching, floating pushes from uncomfortable angles.

Without trying to sound like a punk, the only real time I felt good about Josh Smith having the ball in his hands was after catching a pass while running the wing on a fast break. If all he did was run, catch, and finish, he'd maximize his effectiveness by doing much less.

Perhaps the team that picks him up will be so clearly loaded in the right spots that he'll have zero choice but to assimilate and fill a role more befitting to his talents. In Detroit, he always seemed to want to do 78% more than he was actually capable.

That's why I think in Houston he'll be a good fit. Pick and roll with Harden and Howard/Smith and put Smith/Howard in the weak side short corner, and you could throw lobs all day. Let Bev and Ariza stand on the wings and that's a solid offense.

Plus, I think on an uptempo team with clearly better players to defer to, he'll be satisfied catching lobs or transition dunking all night.

Houston is already #2 in PPG Allowed, does Smith make their defense Memphis-esque? If you'll remember, Aldridge dropped 40 twice on Houston in the playoffs. In a conference with Davis, Lee, Griffin, Aldridge, Duncan, Ibaka, and Dirk, having an above average defender at the 4 spot couldn't hurt.

[Rake2204]

Playing the 3 kills his effectiveness on both ends. At the 4 he has enough quickness to get past guys and get to the rim. He did that pretty well in Atlanta. He can't do that against 3s.

And he obviously doesn't have the footspeed to guard 3s. Just a horrible signing by Dumars. I was dumbfounded when that deal was announced.Josh Smith has been playing the four position for the majority of the 2014-2015 campaign. Greg Monroe, in turn, has been coming off the bench and spelling either Smith or Andre Drummond.

Unfortunately, Smith has not displayed any real kind of quickness that may have been seen in Atlanta. He's attempted to operate from the post but as mentioned, the results have often been awkward and uncomfortable (sweeping rainbow hooks with the right hand or cuff drives to bad angled bank attempts).

His lack of a jumpshot more or less narrows him down to a head-down-and-try-to-drive-through-defender's-chest type of player, and it's been downright awful. Any back-to-the-basket play Smith's been able to make has most often been the type where a defense shakes their head as if to say, "Geez, how'd that garbage go in?"

[Duderonomy]

I can't believe he wasn't traded. Smooth for KG would've made sense. That's a lot of dead cap room for Detroit with Monroe being a free Agent.

Its a toss up between the Kings and Rockets at this point. Maybe the Mavs since they need a backup forward.

[UK2K]

Josh Smith in his current state is more of a jump shooter than a post up player.
He's a post defender and a rebounder. And an excellent passer.

What else do you need at the 4?

[Rake2204]

That's why I think in Houston he'll be a good fit. Pick and roll with Harden and Howard/Smith and put Smith/Howard in the weak side short corner, and you could throw lobs all day. Let Bev and Ariza stand on the wings and that's a solid offense.

Plus, I think on an uptempo team with clearly better players to defer to, he'll be satisfied catching lobs or transition dunking all night.

Houston is already #2 in PPG Allowed, does Smith make their defense Memphis-esque? If you'll remember, Aldridge dropped 40 twice on Houston in the playoffs. In a conference with Davis, Lee, Griffin, Aldridge, Duncan, Ibaka, and Dirk, having an above average defender at the 4 spot couldn't hurt.Yeah, I must admit there's a lot of unknown there. When Detroit acquired him, I knew of Smith's downfalls but it really seemed a fresh start may have been an opportunity to change his ways. That was not so. Perhaps another fresh start could help (on an already established team), but I'm skeptical.

From what I've seen of Smith this year (i.e. every game), he's not catching too many lobs these days. I think he's battling some injuries alongside experiencing a subtle, albeit natural, decline in athleticism. I don't know exactly how many dunks he has, but it may be around 15 or so.

I'll stop short of saying he's plodding, but he's certainly not the Smith I remember seeing on the highlight tapes all these years. He had a flush on Nerlens Noel in the preseason and that's been his elevation high point.


He's a post defender and a rebounder. And an excellent passer.

What else do you need at the 4?Yeah, he definitely has some good assets. But I'm not sure I've ever seen a player so out of touch with his role and abilities on the NBA level. For every nice pass he'd make, he'd take off after grabbing a defensive rebound then dribble off a defender's leg. For every excellent block, he was watching Damian Lillard coast into the paint for a wide open dunk.

He has really, really nice things he can do on the court, but he must remove all the awful things he tries to do but can't. Again, maybe a super legit team could yield that, but it'll be tough.

[boozehound]

Yeah it wouldn't make sense but it would be funny though. A lot of GM moves don't make sense.

Detroit signing him to that huge deal to play the 3 was one of the dumbest moves in recent memory.

What happens to a team that doesn't meet the min? Do they just forfeit the difference at the end of the season?
they didnt sign him to play the 3 and the amount he played the 3 has been massively overblown (even last year). He basically played the 3 the first 6-8 minutes of the game and that was it.

This year, he started at the 3 for 4? games and has played virtually no time as a wing.

[boozehound]

Josh Smith has been playing the four position for the majority of the 2014-2015 campaign. Greg Monroe, in turn, has been coming off the bench and spelling either Smith or Andre Drummond.

Unfortunately, Smith has not displayed any real kind of quickness that may have been seen in Atlanta. He's attempted to operate from the post but as mentioned, the results have often been awkward and uncomfortable (sweeping rainbow hooks with the right hand or cuff drives to bad angled bank attempts).

His lack of a jumpshot more or less narrows him down to a head-down-and-try-to-drive-through-defender's-chest type of player, and it's been downright awful. Any back-to-the-basket play Smith's been able to make has most often been the type where a defense shakes their head as if to say, "Geez, how'd that garbage go in?"
As I pointed out earlier, I think his muscle memory defaults to when he could jump higher. So many of his post shots hit the front or underside of the rim, he cannot get it up over the rim. He has been as bad in the paint as he has from the perimeter (not % but in terms of impact).http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithjo03/shooting/2015/

hes shooting 31% on shots from 3-10 ft (most of which, if you look at the chart, are closer to 3 ft - basically all paint points).

[Milbuck]

I actually think he'd be OK in Houston, if he plays the 4 exclusively and is prohibited from taking jumpers beyond 18 feet. He can be a great defender, has passing abilities, the athleticism is still mostly there..Harden and Dwight are gonna be tested like they never have before in terms of leadership, as will McHale in terms of Xs and Os..but if they can put Smith in a position to succeed, use his strengths and vehemently discourage his bad habits..he could give them what they need. His value is incredibly low right now but the talent is still there..this could either work out beautifully or become a total nightmare. If I'm Houston, a mid to low playoff seed in a brutal conference, looking to take that next step..taking a risk like this might not be such a bad decision.

[UK2K]

they didnt sign him to play the 3 and the amount he played the 3 has been massively overblown (even last year). He basically played the 3 the first 6-8 minutes of the game and that was it.

This year, he started at the 3 for 4? games and has played virtually no time as a wing.
He's played the 3 20% of the time this season. 52% of the time last season.

[boozehound]

He's played the 3 20% of the time this season. 52% of the time last season.
can you show your work please?


There is no way that drummond monroe and smith were all on the floor together for 52% of all games last year. I watched every single painful one.


And there is no way he has spent 1/5 of this season at the 3. How many games did he start at the 3? maybe 5. JJ gets more burn at the 3 than him and he hardly plays the 3.

[boozehound]

He's played the 3 20% of the time this season. 52% of the time last season.
pretty good read. http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/12/22/7434553/josh-smith-released-detroit-pistons-disaster

[RRR3]

pretty good read. http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/12/22/7434553/josh-smith-released-detroit-pistons-disaster
Who do you hate more smith or Jennings?

[Derka]

To be honest it would fulfill my wish for a low post player.

Smith/Jones
Howard/D Mo

Speaking purely out my ass, but is it possible for Houston to pick up Smith and still trade for Dragic? Can we make an all star team? Lol

Josh Smith is not a post player. Josh Smith likes to shoot jumpers and 3's. He's f*cking terrible.

[outbreak]

Josh Smith is not a post player. Josh Smith likes to shoot jumpers and 3's. He's f*cking terrible.
I still think if you can get through to him he could be a good defender who has a limited role on offence. Maybe Dwight could do it they grew up together. Could still contribute somewhere.

[Legends66NBA7]

Just read this on another Raps board:


I was at the game in Detroit sitting a few rows up from baseline closest to Pistons' bench. A drunk guy sitting near me was heckling at Smith while he was benched. Smith was shouting back, and after the Drummond foul and little scuffle, Smith went nutd and started walking towards the fan and calling the guy out, telling him to come on the court to fight him lol. A few players had to pull him back and try to get him under control. Obviously there's more to his waiving than this... I'm sure they decided that his chucking isn't worth the headaches he brings.

:oldlol:

[Derka]

I still think if you can get through to him he could be a good defender who has a limited role on offence. Maybe Dwight could do it they grew up together. Could still contribute somewhere.

He's not some rookie who just needs to be set straight; this is 11th season and no one's gotten through to him yet. Not sure I see how someone's magically gonna figure out how to at this stage, nor would any contending teams want to.

[El Kabong]

Don't mind it for the Pistons. His contract was a shit sandwich they were going to be forced to eat one way or another. Better to just scoff it down and clear some space on the books to keep Monroe and Drummond rather than trade him for guys like Carl Landry and Jason Thompson with decent contracts who have multiple years left on their deals.

As for the team that signs him. They have little to lose, but hopefully they don't think they can change his game, since he seems so intent on not changing how he plays.

[tontoz]

Here is a list of all the players since the 40s that have played at least 500 minutes shooting at least 13.9 shots per game with a TS under 42%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&birth_state=&college_id=&is_active=&debut_yr_nba_start=&debut_yr_nba_end=&debut_yr_aba_start=&debut_yr_aba_end=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&award=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=500&c2stat=fga_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=13.9&c3stat=ts_pct&c3comp=lt&c3val=.42&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=off_rtg&order_by_asc=Y

[outbreak]

He's not some rookie who just needs to be set straight; this is 11th season and no one's gotten through to him yet. Not sure I see how someone's magically gonna figure out how to at this stage, nor would any contending teams want to.
Normally I'd agree but he hasn't exactly played in a location with a strong leadership team in place.