Antonio Martin, 18 year old black teen shot dead by police in St. Louis

[TylerOO]

Details are vague because this just happened but twitter is blowing up about it right now.

From what I've read so far they shot him and he was laying on the ground still alive for 30 minutes with no medical attention. Also pics of cops planning to put him in back of SUV. More details to come. This shit is crazy

Let the shit storm begin.

Check @akacharleswade for a play by play pretty much. He's been at shooting entire time and is posting pics, news, etc.

[TheMan]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/010/100/dis_gon_be_good.gif

[ace23]

When will people get tired of being outraged over this shit? It's obviously ****ed up, but I'm curious as to when the media will stop hyping this stuff up so much. Maybe this one won't get much attention.

[sirkeelma]

Not again (http://rt.com/news/217243-black-man-ferguson-police/)

[Raymone]

Just in time for some last minute holiday looting- I mean protesting.

[dude77]

inb4 antonio martin was a good kid .. going to college .. straight A student


cnn says lil 'ton pulled a gun and the officer shot him

[tomtucker]

start heat-pressing some statement t-shirts for NBA players to wear.............who cares about the 2 cops in new york , right ?

[tomtucker]

inb4 antonio martin was a good kid .. going to college .. straight A student


cnn says lil 'ton pulled a gun and the officer shot him

forgot, loved his mom

[IamRAMBO24]

inb4 antonio martin was a good kid .. going to college .. straight A student


cnn says lil 'ton pulled a gun and the officer shot him

Fallacy: you're too focus on his character. It doesn't matter if he is a good or bad kid. The question is whether or not the shooting is justified.

Now we have to define what "justified" means. Regardless what you idiots think, I don't think resisting arrest or copping an attitude is justification to kill somebody.

This is how logic works.

[dude77]

forgot, loved his mom

:oldlol: yeah that one too ..


that was quick ..

[QUOTE]Antonio

[dude77]

Fallacy: you're too focus on his character. It doesn't matter if he is a good or bad kid. The question is whether or not the shooting is justified.

Now we have to define what "justified" means. Regardless what you idiots think, I don't think resisting arrest or copping an attitude is justification to kill somebody.

This is how logic works.

obviously .. as for justified .. they're saying he pulled a gun .. so we'll see

[9erempiree]

In b4 someone says the cops should have shot the gun out of his hands.

[IamRAMBO24]

obviously .. as for justified .. they're saying he pulled a gun .. so we'll see

I do find it disturbing you've already came to a conclusion without knowing all the facts.

[dude77]

I do find it disturbing you've already came to a conclusion without knowing all the facts.

I haven't .. that's why I said 'we'll see'

[IamRAMBO24]

In b4 someone says the cops should have shot the gun out of his hands.

No one is going to say this. If there is a gun, then it is justified. Other than that there should be no reason why cops should treat this like the wild west.

[CJ Mustard]

I haven't .. that's why I said 'we'll see'
:kobe: Bitch, you made up your mind when you read the thread title. You're not fooling anyone.

[IamRAMBO24]

I haven't .. that's why I said 'we'll see'

You've already made up your mind. You should do everybody a favor and not comment any further since you'll end up trolling and derailing the thread. Let the big boys handle this.

[9erempiree]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/stackizshort?utm_campaign=JPER&utm_medium=FlashPlayer&utm_source=embed

[9erempiree]

It's so sad that these Negroes are yelling at innocent police officers. Just because they are the police, it doesn't mean they are bad. They are doing what they are accusing the police of doing.



Website for the United Negro College Fund
http://www.uncf.org/

[tomtucker]

In b4 someone says the cops should have shot the gun out of his hands.

yeah, they did that all the time back in the old west........surely guns are even more accurate now ! need them sheriffs and gunslingers back

[pauk]

It's so sad that these Negroes are yelling at innocent police officers. Just because they are the police, it doesn't mean they are bad. They are doing what they are accusing the police of doing.



Website for the United Negro College Fund
http://www.uncf.org/

Wut? Shouldnt you be blaming the religion?

[iamgine]

Fallacy: you're too focus on his character. It doesn't matter if he is a good or bad kid. The question is whether or not the shooting is justified.

Now we have to define what "justified" means. Regardless what you idiots think, I don't think resisting arrest or copping an attitude is justification to kill somebody.

This is how logic works.
Also need to define what "kill" means. If I taser somebody for resisting arrest and he ended up having a heart attack because of it I don't think that's the same as killing.

[Dresta]

Why is this already a thing before anyone even knows the circumstances. If the man pulled a gun, then there is no debate to be had really.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Police protestors have gone full retard. :roll:

Now they are even championing guys who pull guns on cops. White cop, dead black perp=let's protest and loot!!! :rolleyes:

Whole worlds laughing at you morons

[SCdac]

reportedly he pointed a gun at the cop? ... if so, that's pretty much a death sentence regardless of race or gender... I will say it's disappointing the cop was issued a body cam but wasn't wearing it, and his dashboard cam was off (these cameras could be used to not only keep cops in check but also vindicate them)

[Patrick Chewing]

In b4 someone says the cops should have shot the gun out of his hands.


Shoot him in the knees while he's running away!

[Trollsmasher]

someone got his pic? I need to update this infographic

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Nuffins_27cfd2_5391203.png

[Raymone]

Surprise, he pulled a gun. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKx-7ZxZ1es)

[CavaliersFTW]

Surprise, he pulled a gun. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKx-7ZxZ1es)
He didn't aim it sideways. Fake.

[ArbitraryWater]

So the Cop was afraid of an 18-year old boy....... Gotcha.

Cops lost all credibility once the video came out about them rejoicing, singing and celebrating Mike Brown

[SCdac]

and the BS media-driven race war continues! all they see is ratings ratings ratings

Kid could have been holding a knife to the cops throat and people would still stick up for him. Point being, it's not even about facts anymore. We're beyond that. Most people who hate (white) cops don't care about facts and want to lump everybody together with catchy hash tags

Anyways, inb4 some random cops are murdered in "justified" retaliation.

[Raymone]

#RIPErivGardner #RIPAntokioMartihn

[Patrick Chewing]

and the BS media-driven race war continues! all they see is ratings ratings ratings

Kid could have been holding a knife to the cops throat and people would still stick up for him. Point being, it's not even about facts anymore. We're beyond that. Most people who hate (white) cops don't care about facts and want to lump everybody together with catchy hash tags

Anyways, inb4 some random cops are murdered in "justified" retaliation.


A cop shoots a black guy: Only because he was black and America has a racist problem.


A black guy shoots another black guy (which happens 100x more): *crickets*

[97 bulls]

A cop shoots a black guy: Only because he was black and America has a race problem.


A black guy shoots another black guy (which happens 100x more): *crickets*
Wtf are you talking about????? I sent you links to a summit meeting in which the black community discussed black on black violence.

And you in typical fashion, choose to ignore it because you have an agenda against blacks

[Raymone]

Wtf are you talking about????? I sent you links to a summit meeting in which the black community discussed black on black violence.

And you in typical fashion, choose to ignore it because you have an agenda against blacks

He's talking about the media.

[SCdac]

LA Times

"White officer kills black man near Ferguson; shooting called justified"

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-82385982/

media gonna try to out-race-bait each other

[CavaliersFTW]

LA Times

"White officer kills black man near Ferguson; shooting called justified"

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-82385982/

media gonna try to out-race-bait each other
Look at the image they chose to headline with too

http://www.trbimg.com/img-549ad438/turbine/la-na-missouri-police-shooting-pictures-008/750/750x422

Excerpt from article:

""This doesn't make any sense for them to kill my son like this," Toni Martin-Green told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch at her home near the University of Missouri-St. Louis campus. "I am trying to be calm.""

^ so it doesn't make any sense for an armed police officer to retaliate to having a gun pulled and pointed at him? God damnit if a friend or family member of mine did this to a police officer I'd be upset but I'd UNDERSTAND why they ended up in a body bag instead of safe at home. What doesn't make sense about this!? DON'T PULL A GUN ON A POLICE OFFICER, EVER.

[MavsSuperFan]

Fallacy: you're too focus on his character. It doesn't matter if he is a good or bad kid. The question is whether or not the shooting is justified.

Now we have to define what "justified" means. Regardless what you idiots think, I don't think resisting arrest or copping an attitude is justification to kill somebody.

This is how logic works.
I rarely agree with you you rambo, but I agree with you 100% in this post

Unless the teen was a threat to the cops they dont have a reason to shoot him. At the very least there needs to be a justifiably believable reason that the cops felt threatened to the point they needed to shoot Martin.

If not its murder

[MavsSuperFan]

Also need to define what "kill" means. If I taser somebody for resisting arrest and he ended up having a heart attack because of it I don't think that's the same as killing.
I also agree with this.

The amount of force used is relevant when it comes to police.

If cops beat someone down rodney king style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OauOPTwbqk
then that is clearly murder if the person dies.
If cops hold down a person and they die I am not comfortable calling that murder. I dont necessarily think lethal force was used.

To me the level of violence used on rodney king would have clearly constituted murder charges if he had died.

[MavsSuperFan]

He didn't aim it sideways. Fake.
The video is a little too blurry for me


Look at the image they chose to headline with too

http://www.trbimg.com/img-549ad438/turbine/la-na-missouri-police-shooting-pictures-008/750/750x422

Excerpt from article:

""This doesn't make any sense for them to kill my son like this," Toni Martin-Green told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch at her home near the University of Missouri-St. Louis campus. "I am trying to be calm.""

^ so it doesn't make any sense for an armed police officer to retaliate to having a gun pulled and pointed at him? God damnit if a friend or family member of mine did this to a police officer I'd be upset but I'd UNDERSTAND why they ended up in a body bag instead of safe at home. What doesn't make sense about this!? DON'T PULL A GUN ON A POLICE OFFICER, EVER.

Totally agree, if some one pulls a gun on a cop they deserve to die. I would even understand if it was someone I loved. You just dont pull guns on people, especially cops.

Unfortunately some will reflexively defend Martin even if he did pull a gun on cops. They will ask stuff like "couldnt they shoot him in the arm?"

[Patrick Chewing]

Wtf are you talking about????? I sent you links to a summit meeting in which the black community discussed black on black violence.

And you in typical fashion, choose to ignore it because you have an agenda against blacks


Yeah calm down bro. I'm referring to what the media chooses to run with. So when the media runs with their racial agenda, it only fuels the masses more with negativity and you have what happened to those two cops in NY.


America, black, brown, white, yellow is being led down the wrong path by corrupt leadership that goes all the way up to the White House. I walk around town shaking hands with all races and doing business with all people of color cause the only color that matters in the end is the green color in your wallet. There is no racial war out there contrary to what the media and DeBlasio or Eric Holder would have you believe.

[MavsSuperFan]

If it does turn out Martin pulled a gun on the cops the only one of these recent incidents that should result in prosecution and conviction is the cop that killed Akai Gurley

Garner and Rice were both tragic, and Their families deserve huge civil suits/wrongful death suits but I dont believe the cops actions are prison worthy

the level of force used on Garner IMO would not have killed most people.
I have watched that video many times.

If the cops had beaten Garner down Rodney king style it would definitely be murder.

Rice's pellet gun was realistic enough I feel the cop actually thought a gun was being pulled on him. Further the dispatcher never communicated to the cops the gun might be fake or that Rice was 12.

I would believe this even if these guys were white.

Eg. that white guy that robbed a store in utah and ran from cops. He reached into his pants to pull them up as he was running. the cops thought he was reaching for a gun. they shot him and he died. Later it was found he had no gun.

I dont think that is murder.

[Akrazotile]

LA Times

"White officer kills black man near Ferguson; shooting called justified"

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-82385982/

media gonna try to out-race-bait each other


Media members have kids to feed. Theyre just doing their job.

Its up to us to not click these links and not give these stories attention. Thats how to make them go away.

[russwest0]

Who cares?

Things like this happen everyday, if you live your life over sensationalizing this shit then you're a clown/

[oarabbus]

I'm disgusted.


If I wrote the story it would be like this:


Man shot after pulling gun on Cop

By: oarabbus

An 18-year old individual pulled out a gun and pointed it at a uniformed police officer. The police officer fired his gun in self-defense at the criminal and the criminal died. For those unaware, pointing a gun at a police officer is a felony crime, and places the officer in fear of his life. The shooting was deemed justified by the city and anyone with at least 1/3 of a brain would agree.



That's about it. Open and shut case.

[IamRAMBO24]

I'm disgusted.


If I wrote the story it would be like this:


Man shot after pulling gun on Cop

By: oarabbus

An 18-year old individual pulled out a gun and pointed it at a uniformed police officer. The police officer fired his gun in self-defense at the criminal and the criminal died. For those unaware, pointing a gun at a police officer is a felony crime, and places the officer in fear of his life. The shooting was deemed justified by the city and anyone with at least 1/3 of a brain would agree.



That's about it. Open and shut case.

This is true. The media is perpetuating a race war. There really is no war other than in the minds of idiots like 9empire, dude, arazotile, etc. Blacks aren't against white people; they are against injustice and knee jerk reactions by the police. The police aren't out to kill black people; they are under an erroroneous justice system that uses racial profiling and overly aggressive procedures to control a situation.

It is not a race war. It is the system that needs to change.

[Akrazotile]

This is true. The media is perpetuating a race war. There really is no war other than in the minds of idiots like 9empire, dude, arazotile, etc. Blacks aren't against white people; they are against injustice and knee jerk reactions by the police. The police aren't out to kill black people; they are under an erroroneous justice system that uses racial profiling and overly aggressive procedures to control a situation.

It is not a race war. It is the system that needs to change.


No, it's your diaper and this alt account that needs to change.

[brownmamba00]

This is true. The media is perpetuating a race war. There really is no war other than in the minds of idiots like 9empire, dude, arazotile, etc. Blacks aren't against white people; they are against injustice and knee jerk reactions by the police. The police aren't out to kill black people; they are under an erroroneous justice system that uses racial profiling and overly aggressive procedures to control a situation.

It is not a race war. It is the system that needs to change.
:applause:

[PleezeBelieve]

What do you know... the cop had a video camera on his BODY and CAR and NEITHER was working for a ALLEGEDLY UNKNOWN reasons, even though he was responding to a REAL call

:oldlol:

Continue the character assasination of the 18 year accused of doing nothing!!

[PleezeBelieve]

Why is it almost ALWAYS a white male cop killing little teenage black males???????

Why do these cops almost ALWAYS say they were in fear of their life before they shoot teenagers, and in the case of Tamir Rice, elementary kids??

I need answers.

Never mind.... you have no answers. Just a bunch of race baiting conjecture that really has nothing to do with the real issue at hand.

[knickballer]

Why is it almost ALWAYS a white male cop killing little teenage black males???????

Why do these cops almost ALWAYS say they were in fear of their life before they shoot teenagers, and in the case of Tamir Rice, elementary kids??

I need answers.

Never mind.... you have no answers. Just a bunch of race baiting conjecture that really has nothing to do with the real issue at hand.

Because normally it involves some person who has committed some sort of criminal act, getting caught then resisting arrest and attempts to further assault a cop or something like that.

Unfortunately, the media and individuals spin the cases so it can fit their own personal agenda. You think people like Al Sharpton really give a shit that another black teen died or do you think he just wants a story to make $$. There was a case where some guy got killed in a drug bust by a cop and when Al Sharpton attempted to represent the family then family flat out rejected him and condemned him for profiting his sons death. Won't hear anyone talking about that though..

And that's what it all comes down to. Money and personal agendas. Any incident can be twisted as they please by the media. All they need to do is misrepresent some facts, blurr the information and run away with the sensationalism. Show the "victim" as a kid, put in a line how he was a member of a chess club and boom people think he's an angel as opposed to the person he truly is...

[PleezeBelieve]

another thug put down .. another lowlife character being defended by blacks .. what da ya know .. but there's a reason .. it's because that lowlife was killed by a 'white' .. it makes it all the more outrageous to them .. gives them a hard on since they can now complain about being victimized by the evil white devil .. now if this loser was shot by another 'teen' .. well .. :crickets:
:roll: typical response

No word in this thread so far about how cop with two cameras on him drove up and killed a high school aged kid because he was in fear of his life, yet he didn't use either camera in the process.

No outrage warranted :rolleyes:

[PleezeBelieve]

Because normally it involves some person who has committed some sort of criminal act, getting caught then resisting arrest and attempts to further assault a cop or something like that.

Unfortunately, the media and individuals spin the cases so it can fit their own personal agenda. You think people like Al Sharpton really give a shit that another black teen died or do you think he just wants a story to make $$. There was a case where some guy got killed in a drug bust by a cop and when Al Sharpton attempted to represent the family then family flat out rejected him and condemned him for profiting his sons death. Won't hear anyone talking about that though..

And that's what it all comes down to. Money and personal agendas. Any incident can be twisted as they please by the media. All they need to do is misrepresent some facts, blurr the information and run away with the sensationalism. Show the "victim" as a kid, put in a line how he was a member of a chess club and boom people think he's an angel as opposed to the person he truly is...
Shut up....

Why didn't the cop have either/both cameras working, idiot?

Does that make any sense to you? Why was he issued two cameras unless his department expected him to use them, especially on potential shooting situations?

He was so scared for his life supposedly that he forgot to turn on either of two cameras before or after the shooting :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

STFU clown... you sound like an idiot and/or bigot

[IamRAMBO24]

Shut up....

Why didn't the cop have either/both cameras working, idiot?

Does that make any sense to you? Why was he issued two cameras unless his department expected him to use them, especially on potential shooting situations?

He was so scared for his life supposedly that he forgot to turn on either of two cameras before or after the shooting :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

STFU clown... you sound like an idiot and/or bigot

What is the problem with his response? :confusedshrug:

It is problematic the cops are either turning off their cameras or hiding the evidence. Either way, it makes the whole situation look suspect.

[IamRAMBO24]

Surprise, he pulled a gun. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKx-7ZxZ1es)

Not conclusive. I'll wait for the independent review.

[knickballer]

Shut up....

Why didn't the cop have either/both cameras working, idiot?

Does that make any sense to you? Why was he issued two cameras unless his department expected him to use them, especially on potential shooting situations?

He was so scared for his life supposedly that he forgot to turn on either of two cameras before or after the shooting :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

STFU clown... you sound like an idiot and/or bigot

I don't know why the ****ing camera wasn't working and neither do you so stop using that as the main reason why the cop killed an unarmed man. He had the camera off before he even checked out the scene and I'm sure he didn't expect to get into a violent altercation like that. For all we know it can be a daily habit of the cops not putting on their cameras and this may not be a lone case..

The footage from the gas station is up and it pretty much backs up the cops story although it's hard to see what happened. Media just saw that another black kid was killed by cops in St.Luis and ran away it with headlines like "White cop kills innocent black teen". WTF? Media is going all outwith race-baiting tactics to draw in fools like yourself all for more exposure. Then you have half of america going on their moral high-ground condemning the actions of killing an "innocent".

It's stupid as hell and shit like this distracts people from IMPORTANT issues and not stupid trivial cases like this. If you really think white cops killing black people is a major issue in the US you're an idiot. It's just a hot topic for people as black people can play the victim/oppressed card and white people can play the "everyone is out to get us" card.

[Raymone]

Not conclusive. I'll wait for the independent review.

So photos of rocks on Mars are conclusively lizard and rats, but video of a guy pointing something at cops moments before getting killed by them... could be anything. :confusedshrug:

Your thought process is funny, Rambo.

[IamRAMBO24]

So photos of rocks on Mars are conclusively lizard and rats, but video of a guy pointing something at cops moments before getting killed by them... could be anything. :confusedshrug:

Your thought process is funny, Rambo.

Saying that is a gun is as idiotic as saying the Mar's photos are a bunch of rocks. it's the same thought process. Idiots like you take the simplest explanation and ride the official word instead of trusting your own eyes. My eyes are telling me that looks like a gun but it is not conclusive, very much the same way it has told me the Mar's photos look like a bunch of rocks but it is not conclusive.

It is the same genius observation only a highly gifted mind like mines can pull off.

[PleezeBelieve]

I don't know why the ****ing camera wasn't working and neither do you so stop using that as the main reason why the cop killed an unarmed man. He had the camera off before he even checked out the scene and I'm sure he didn't expect to get into a violent altercation like that. For all we know it can be a daily habit of the cops not putting on their cameras and this may not be a lone case..

The footage from the gas station is up and it pretty much backs up the cops story although it's hard to see what happened. Media just saw that another black kid was killed by cops in St.Luis and ran away it with headlines like "White cop kills innocent black teen". WTF? Media is going all outwith race-baiting tactics to draw in fools like yourself all for more exposure. Then you have half of america going on their moral high-ground condemning the actions of killing an "innocent".

It's stupid as hell and shit like this distracts people from IMPORTANT issues and not stupid trivial cases like this. If you really think white cops killing black people is a major issue in the US you're an idiot. It's just a hot topic for people as black people can play the victim/oppressed card and white people can play the "everyone is out to get us" card.
WHITE cops killing black KIDS is already an IMPORTANT issue, IDIOT

Clown. Turn the TV on. You should be outraged like me but trying to take the convienent way out.

Oh I wonder why :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

These are not active shooting situations, IDIOT! These are white cops killing black boys because they supposedly felt in fear of their lives without a shot or crime coming their way first.

Open your eyes... seriously :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Budadiiii]

WHITE cops killing black KIDS is already an IMPORTANT issue, IDIOT

Clown. Turn the TV on. You should be outraged like me but trying to take the convienent way out.

Oh I wonder why :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

These are not active shooting situations, IDIOT! These are white cops killing black boys because they supposedly felt in fear of their lives without a shot or crime coming their way first.

Open your eyes... seriously :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Why are these black boys provoking cops to shoot and kill them? Do these kids have no common sense?

[IamRAMBO24]

I don't know why the ****ing camera wasn't working and neither do you so stop using that as the main reason why the cop killed an unarmed man. He had the camera off before he even checked out the scene and I'm sure he didn't expect to get into a violent altercation like that. For all we know it can be a daily habit of the cops not putting on their cameras and this may not be a lone case..

.

If he had the camera turned off before he checked the scene, that tells me a bit about his motive.

Cops need to realize they can no longer ride on their word anymore. Cop altercations went down 60% when cameras are turned on, so it is very telling when they decide to turn it off. They are issued cameras for a reason, and that reason is because many people believe they are over reaching knowing full well the justice system will back them up with their word alone. That's not the case anymore.

[Raymone]

Saying that is a gun is as idiotic as saying the Mar's photos are a bunch of rocks. it's the same thought process. Idiots like you take the simplest explanation and ride the official word instead of trusting your own eyes. My eyes are telling me that looks like a gun but it is not conclusive, very much the same way it has told me the Mar's photos look like a bunch of rocks but it is not conclusive.

It is the same genius observation only a highly gifted mind like mines can pull off.

Actually, yours is a very common observational tendency among conspiracy theorists. A group you belong to, yes? Conspiracy theorists default to the most outlandish and unrealistic explanation and then search for supporting evidence. Completely backwards.

Also:


Saying that is a gun is idiotic

My eyes are telling me that looks like a gun
:oldlol:

[PleezeBelieve]

If he had the camera turned off before he checked the scene, that tells me a bit about his motive.

Cops need to realize they can no longer ride on their word anymore. Cop altercations went down 60% when cameras are turned on, so it is very telling when they decide to turn it off. They are issued cameras for a reason, and that reason is because many people believe they are over reaching knowing full well the justice system will back them up with their word alone. That's not the case anymore.
This is the most appropriate, common sense response even without knowing all the facts. Anything less than this and you are apart of the problem. I mean, who really argues AGAINST transparency and accountability???

Oh, dont answer that... I already know

[Raymone]

Rambo's unique mind: "It looks like a duck. It quacks like one. But it's probably an ostrich because duck is too simple an answer."

[knickballer]

If he had the camera turned off before he checked the scene, that tells me a bit about his motive.

Cops need to realize they can no longer ride on their word anymore. Cop altercations went down 60% when cameras are turned on, so it is very telling when they decide to turn it off. They are issued cameras for a reason, and that reason is because many people believe they are over reaching knowing full well the justice system will back them up with their word alone. That's not the case anymore.

What if he had it turned off and just forgot to turn it off? We need to know how common that is in the police force in that area before you can make assumption on if he had actually turned off the camera which will make it a bit more suspicious.

You're kinda saying this was pre-mediated which sounds very far fetched to me.

[Raymone]

This is the most appropriate, common sense response even without knowing all the facts. Anything less than this and you are apart of the problem. I mean, who really argues AGAINST transparency and accountability???

Oh, dont answer that... I already know

You can still be entirely in favor of police transparency and not conclude that this Antonio Martin must have been innocent and couldn't have warranted lethal force by brandishing a firearm.

[IamRAMBO24]

Actually, yours is a very common observational tendency among conspiracy theorists. A group you belong to, yes? Conspiracy theorists default to the most outlandish and unrealistic explanation and then search for supporting evidence. Completely backwards.

Also:



:oldlol:

No dumbsh*t. I'm using Einstein's falsification method. You say it is a gun, I say it is not conclusive and I am going to wait until it becomes conclusive before I believe it. This is the opposite of your shallow thinking. Once the official word comes out, you ride that word despite what your eyes tell you or any evidence whatsoever.

Same thing with the Mar's photos, if I was an idiot like you, I wouldn't delve into it further and just accept the official word. So what did I do? I started researching rock formations to have a better understanding of symmetry and geometry of natural occurences vs manmade objects.

[Patrick Chewing]

WHITE cops killing black KIDS is already an IMPORTANT issue, IDIOT

Clown. Turn the TV on. You should be outraged like me but trying to take the convienent way out.

Oh I wonder why :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

These are not active shooting situations, IDIOT! These are white cops killing black boys because they supposedly felt in fear of their lives without a shot or crime coming their way first.

Open your eyes... seriously :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Perp has a gun. Perp points gun. Perp goes down. The law and common sense don't care what color you are.

[Raymone]

No dumbsh*t. I'm using Einstein's falsification method. You say it is a gun, I say it is not conclusive and I am going to wait until it becomes conclusive before I believe it. This is the opposite of your shallow thinking. Once the official word comes out, you ride that word despite what your eyes tell you or any evidence whatsoever.

Same thing with the Mar's photos, if I was an idiot like you, I wouldn't delve into it further and just accept the official word. So what did I do? I started researching rock formations to have a better understanding of symmetry and geometry of natural occurences vs manmade objects.

Please, let's not taint the Einstein name by implying you have anything in common with him.

No "official word" has come out by the way. They released a security video, albeit pretty far away and low quality, that clearly shows the perp pull out some sort of object and point it at the officers (like one would do with a handgun). The point is, your feeble mind will sooner conclude that Mars rocks are living organisms than it will that the object this guy pulled out was a gun. C'mon, that's funny.

[IamRAMBO24]

Please, let's not taint the Einstein name by implying you have anything in common with him.

No "official word" has come out by the way. They released a security video, albeit pretty far away and low quality, that clearly shows the perp pull out some sort of object and point it at the officers (like one would do with a handgun). The point is, your feeble mind will sooner conclude that Mars rocks are living organisms than it will that the object this guy pulled out was a gun. C'mon, that's funny.

The Mar's photo is clear enough to see certain anatomical features that do not exist in nature from natural formations, so it was safe to conclude those objects are not rocks.

In the video, it is not conclusive if that is a gun or his finger, in fact, he could be holding a dildo for all we know and on top of that the reaction from the lady in front of the camera was suspect since she was calm and did not react like an officer would react if someone pulled a gun.

Again, this is full proof your thinking is incredibly shallowing since you are willing to ride to a conclusion based on a video that shows absolutely nothing.

[CavaliersFTW]

The Mar's photo is clear enough to see certain anatomical features that do not exist in nature from natural formations, so it was safe to conclude those objects are not rocks.

In the video, it is not conclusive if that is a gun or his finger, in fact, he could be holding a dildo for all we know and on top of that the reaction from the lady in front of the camera was suspect since she was calm and did not react like an officer would react if someone pulled a gun.

Again, this is full proof your thinking is incredibly shallowing since you are willing to ride to a conclusion based on a video that shows absolutely nothing.
What's more likely:

Complex life forms based solely on a few pictures that appear to have evolved identical anatomical features to several-billion-years-evolved complex multi-cellular life on Earth except on a planet with 3% of a functional atmosphere and zero liquid water and several hundred degree temperature shifts between day and night and absolutely no microbial life nor microbial life fossils which have been investigated by mars rovers in which it is their primary function to detect?

Or a HS dropout with a past record pulling a gun out on a police officer on planet Earth?

[Dresta]

Why is it almost ALWAYS a white male cop killing little teenage black males???????

Why do these cops almost ALWAYS say they were in fear of their life before they shoot teenagers, and in the case of Tamir Rice, elementary kids??

I need answers.

Never mind.... you have no answers. Just a bunch of race baiting conjecture that really has nothing to do with the real issue at hand.
Firstly, it's not ALWAYS, and never has been. Secondly, the frequency is understandable due to the fact that young black males are the most prone to criminality, and white males are the most common type of police officer.

Might as well complain about this misandry. Why is it only men getting shot by the po po? Why ALWAYS men!?!?!?!

[Raymone]

http://i.imgur.com/8ZX6xEd.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1IQSFo7.jpg Not a gun: http://i.imgur.com/WPR1y3L.gif

[IamRAMBO24]

http://i.imgur.com/1IQSFo7.jpg Not a gun: http://i.imgur.com/WPR1y3L.gif

I stand by my statement that is not conclusive it is a gun. He could be pointing his finger, a wallet, banana, who f*ckin knows. It's too blurry. It would help their case if they actually released the video of the camera closer to them or the dash cam itself, oh yea, that's right, one was magically turned off and the other one is probably revealing a bit too much.

The police didn't even need to release that video in order for you to take their word. That's the difference between you and me. Nothing is conclusive to me unless it is backed up with evidence and logic.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I wish I was black :(

[gts]

If he had the camera turned off before he checked the scene, that tells me a bit about his motive.



State Senator who reps that area and who's been commenting on this and the Brown case said the body cam was brand new, the force is just getting them en masses this week he wasn't even wearing it, it had been delivered to him and others cops in the field only a couple hours earlier and was awaiting training in it's use

car cam wasn't on and hadn't been on all day for his shift or the shift before for whatever reason, he didn't shut it off right before the shooting...

[gts]

http://i.imgur.com/8ZX6xEd.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1IQSFo7.jpg Not a gun: http://i.imgur.com/WPR1y3L.gif

holy cow it's clear as day he's pointing a bearded dragon at the cop

[Raymone]

This sh1t is an absolute joke and simply a way for the media to make huge $ off of uneducated, ignorant and naive individuals.

Black cop kills innocent white kid. Crickets.

White cop kills black kid who just robbed a store and assaulted a police officer. Chaos ensues. Media frenzy. Riots. People literally burn down their own community and loot local businesses.

I wish I was black :(

Why the attitude change all of a sudden? Not complaining though, you're becoming more reasonable. I like it. Would you try rubbing up against Rambo to see if it wears off on him?

Edit: Ahh, a quick ninja edit. Is the liberal peer pressure still too strong? :D

[IamRAMBO24]

What's more likely:

Complex life forms based solely on a few pictures that appear to have evolved identical anatomical features to several-billion-years-evolved complex multi-cellular life on Earth except on a planet with 3% of a functional atmosphere and zero liquid water and several hundred degree temperature shifts between day and night and absolutely no microbial life nor microbial life fossils which have been investigated by mars rovers in which it is their primary function to detect?

Or a HS dropout with a past record pulling a gun out on a police officer on planet Earth?

What is more likely?

This is a tree ... http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Trees/Mars_Trees_02.jpg
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Satellite/Newton_Trees1.png

Or this is a gun ... http://i.imgur.com/WPR1y3L.gif

Again, we need better photographic evidence. You guys need to stop being tools and take what you are told. Use your own eyes and seek out the evidence. That is probably a gun because you are told it is a gun just like how that tree is an optical illusion or some eye trick bullsh*t just because someone told you it is so.

[Raymone]

holy cow it's clear as day he's pointing a bearded dragon at the cop

I was thinking a whiteboard eraser. But I think we can both agree it's not a finger, wallet or banana. Rambo's brain has trouble registering basic shapes.

[CavaliersFTW]

What is more likely?

This is a tree ... http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Trees/Mars_Trees_02.jpg
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Satellite/Newton_Trees1.png

Or this is a gun ... http://i.imgur.com/WPR1y3L.gif

Again, we need better photographic evidence. You guys need to stop being tools and take what you are told. Use your own eyes and seek out the evidence. That is probably a gun because you are told it is a gun just like how that tree is an optical illusion or some eye trick bullsh*t just because someone told you it is so.
Tree's took a billion years of cellular evolution to evolve and required liquid water from their single celled ancestry all the way to becoming complex multicellular photosynthesizing life forms. Mars has no liquid water.

The gun is more likely.

Got any more questions?

[Raymone]

Tree's require liquid water. Mars has no liquid water.

The gun is more likely.

Got any more questions?

:oldlol: Well, see, trees and animals on Mars don't require liquid water.

[IamRAMBO24]

Tree's took a billion years of cellular evolution to evolve and required liquid water from their single celled ancestry all the way to becoming complex multicellular photosynthesizing life forms. Mars has no liquid water.

The gun is more likely.

Got any more questions?

Open your mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxkTwokmpSE

[CavaliersFTW]

:oldlol: Well, see, trees and animals on Mars don't require liquid water.
:lol

I guess on Mars trees take MAGIC from the martian soil and convert MAGIC into energy. And Martian animals eat MAGIC. And they use MAGIC for warmth. And they breath MAGIC for air!

[IamRAMBO24]

Again, our thinking is completely different. If there is photographic evidence of a tree on Mars, then we have to rearrange our assumptions around to fit the evidence. Your thinking is the opposite: you are curtailing the evidence in order to stick with your assumption.

What does this have to do with the thread? It is the same logic. The video is not a conclusive piece of evidence because although that could be a gun, it could also be his finger or some other object he's pointing. Evidence rules all; unless if it is conclusive, we can't say for sure what we are seeing is a gun.

[CavaliersFTW]

Again, our thinking is completely different. If there is photographic evidence of a tree on Mars, then we have to rearrange our assumptions around to fit the evidence. Your thinking is the opposite: you are curtailing the evidence in order to stick with your assumption.

What does this have to do with the thread? It is the same logic. The video is not a conclusive piece of evidence because although that could be a gun, it could also be his finger or some other object he's pointing. Evidence rules all; unless if it is conclusive, we can't say for sure what we are seeing is a gun.
There is zero photographic evidence for trees on mars, and actually zero evidence for ANY kinds of life on Mars... Thus the mars rovers are searching for geological life providing conditions to verify if life was ever even possible on the planet in the past let alone the present.

[MavsSuperFan]

Why is it almost ALWAYS a white male cop killing little teenage black males???????

Why do these cops almost ALWAYS say they were in fear of their life before they shoot teenagers, and in the case of Tamir Rice, elementary kids??

I need answers.

Never mind.... you have no answers. Just a bunch of race baiting conjecture that really has nothing to do with the real issue at hand.

Why is it almost ALWAYS a white male cop killing little teenage black males???????

Its not always. There was a case in utah where a white guy robbed a store and ran from the cops. He reached into his pants to pull up his pants while running away. The cops thought he was reaching for a gun. The cops shot and killed him. It turns out the white guy had a gun on him.

also just for the record in absolute terms more whites are killed by cops than blacks

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/21/michael-medved/talk-show-host-police-kill-more-whites-blacks/



The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention keeps data on fatal injuries from 1999 to 2011 and one category is homicides by legal intervention. The term "legal intervention" covers any situation when a person dies at the hands of anyone authorized to use deadly force in the line of duty.

Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct.

However, Brian Forst, a professor in the Department of Justice, Law and Criminology at American University, said this difference is predictable.

"More whites are killed by the police than blacks primarily because whites outnumber blacks in the general population by more than five to one," Forst said. The country is about 63 percent white and 12 percent black.

Cops kill almost twice as many white people as they do black people. Its just the media reports on the black killings as it has a racial angle and that gets ratings.

Also non-hispanic whites are 63% of the US (whites as defined in the census are 72%) and blacks are 12.7% so it is still a disproportionately large amount of blacks killed by cops. However I personally believe that is more related to socioeconomic factors that lead to higher crime rates, thus more interaction with cops.


Why do these cops almost ALWAYS say they were in fear of their life before they shoot teenagers, and in the case of Tamir Rice, elementary kids??

In this case it seems that Martin pulled a gun on the cops. Perhaps he had the same thought pattern as the guy who shot those 2 cops in NY

In Rice's case, the cops were never told by the dispatcher that the gun might be fake and that Rice was 12 years old. They thought they were going to meet an adult black guy pointing a gun at people in a park.

The video is super low resolution and low framerates but watch 2:55-3:00
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/justice/cleveland-police-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

According to the cops they shouted "Hands Up!"
It looks like rice was reaching into his waist band for the pellet gun. Perhaps he wanted to show the cops it was fake.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2025120!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/toygun27n-8-web.jpg
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/79224000/jpg/_79224605_5e7b6e66-2ab6-4882-87de-6c57306e7457.jpg

Can you honestly say that doesnt look like a real gun?

A gun pointed at you can kill you very fast.

[dude77]

some idiot on youtube actually said he was putting his hand up in a 'surrendering gesture' :oldlol:

all of you race baiters and sjws .. sit the fk the down and learn to be fkn rational .. you retards are getting really fkn annoying .. if you're acting like a piece of shit thug and get shot .. it's on you .. not the cop .. fk this pc bullshit ..

the reason so many blacks are getting shot by cops is because they're criminals/thugs who are up to no good .. this shit doesn't happen all the time .. the majority of stops are uneventful .. they become eventful usually because some dumb fk does something like mikey brown or lil 'ton .. it's fkn irrelevant if you're black .. you whiny, entitled little shitstains .. dat civil rights act gots yo heads blown up a lil too much ..

so much that blacks now apparently want special treatment for their criminals as well .. just let them be .. fkn it yo .. let em do their criminal activities .. 'don't hurt them' or we're gonna riot or make a ruckus like a bunch of retarded children .. when a cop gets killed by an 'antonio martin' wtf are all of you fggts .. antonio martin was just another delinquent thug who got taken out .. nonstory

[Graviton]

I just checked yahoo.com and their 1st article is titled "White Missouri cop kills armed black 18-year-old". Like wtf? How is the race of the cop or the suspect relevant? I guess "Missouri cop kills an armed 18 year old" doesn't sound as controversial.

[Patrick Chewing]

I just checked yahoo.com and their 1st article is titled "White Missouri cop kills armed black 18-year-old". Like wtf? How is the race of the cop or the suspect relevant? I guess "Missouri cop kills an armed 18 year old" doesn't sound as controversial.


Don't you see it's always that way? Since Trayvon Martin. It's all been about race. The media and the race hustlers run with it and the vast majority of simpletons lap it up.

[dude77]

Citizen describes chasing down Antonio Martin after a 2013 crime/ (http://fox2now.com/2014/12/24/citizen-describes-chasing-down-antonio-martin-after-a-2013-crime/)


The report says Martin and another person attacked someone in front of a Job Corp teacher. Less than a month later, the 17 year the admitted he stole from a woman eating outside of Mariachi`s II restaurant on Gravois

yep trash taken out

[Budadiiii]

Citizen describes chasing down Antonio Martin after a 2013 crime/ (http://fox2now.com/2014/12/24/citizen-describes-chasing-down-antonio-martin-after-a-2013-crime/)



yep trash taken out
Committing crimes and not having the sense to drop the gun immediately and put his hands up.

Another dumb brother.

[IamRAMBO24]

There is zero photographic evidence for trees on mars, and actually zero evidence for ANY kinds of life on Mars... Thus the mars rovers are searching for geological life providing conditions to verify if life was ever even possible on the planet in the past let alone the present.

Are you f*ckin stupid? Do you just ignore every link and photo that doesn't fit what you want to believe?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Trees/Mars_Trees_02.jpg
That's a tree on Mars.

Here is a video explaining it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxkTwokmpSE

Like I said, you idiots are constantly ignoring the evidence because it contradicts the official word. You're a tool. You can't even believe your own eyes or common sense. If there is evidence, then logic dictates you need to change your assumptions to fit it, not the other way around.

[Raymone]

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Trees/Mars_Trees_02.jpg
That's a tree on Mars.

Rambo, do you know what a fractal pattern is? Do you know that they occur in nature with things like river networks, mountains ranges, coastlines, fault lines, craters? That Mars satellite image isn't of a ****ing tree. Jesus, you are too stupid for words sometimes.

I'd visit google and show you satellite photos of fractal patterns on Earth just like that one, but it would be an utter waste of my time. Just like this post.

[IamRAMBO24]

Rambo, do you know what a fractal pattern is? Do you know that they occur in nature with things like river networks, mountains ranges, coastlines, fault lines, craters? That Mars satellite image isn't of a ****ing tree. Jesus, you are too stupid for words sometimes.

I'd visit google and show you satellite photos of fractal patterns on Earth just like that one, but it would be an utter waste of my time. Just like this post.

Show it then. That's a tree. It has all the characteristics of a tree. Those are branches and leaves. The only thing that doesn't make it a tree is because it is not the official word from NASA. You have the inability to use your eyes and think outside the box. It is not true unless it is official, hence why that is not a tree to you.

[bdreason]

Let me guess, he was committing a crime?

Seems like the common theme in all these incidents.

[CavaliersFTW]

Show it then. That's a tree. It has all the characteristics of a tree. Those are branches and leaves. The only thing that doesn't make it a tree is because it is not the official word from NASA. You have the inability to use your eyes and think outside the box. It is not true unless it is official, hence why that is not a tree to you.
If I asked you what scale that image is and where it came from could you tell me? Could you tell me what craft took the image and where on the planet it was located? Could you tell me what scientists concluded it was, or why? No you know nothing about the image other than what some crack pot conspiracy theorist told you because you don't trust authority and you only trust those who also don't trust authority. You are convinced what you are seeing is a god damned tree because some non-expert who didn't trust authority told you it was a tree despite knowing nothing of the source material, and nothing of what actual trained experts in the field knew and you won't hear any of that because you don't trust the actual authorities who initially provided you and your conspiracy brethren the source material to begin with. It's like the definition of insane.

Know what the span of those 'tree's' are? About 1,000 MILES. WOW OMG 1,000 MILES!?!?!?! why not SEND A ROVER THERE TO VISIT THE 1,000 MILE ALIEN TREES!!!!!!

Well ya see ... turns out that image you were shown by the conspiracy theorist wasn't exactly honest, as it was a low quality snapshot of a blatantly obvious geological feature. Especially given the scale. You see, Mars is made of rock, and sand, and some bits of frozen c02 and under the sand is even a little bit of water ice (that turns straight to a gas when heated, as mars atmospheric pressure is too low for water to ever become liquid... H2O in a liquid form is THE essential ingredient for life.). Plain and simple. And Mars atmosphere is 95% c02 ...now, plants (such as trees) LOVE co2, they (with the assistance of LIQUID WATER) convert co2 into oxygen. Mars however, only has 0.13% atmospheric oxygen... a bit low for having 1,000 mile wide tree's don't you think?

Here's your stupid 1,000 mile tree picture, zoomed in several orders of magnitude to show you what your crackpot conspiracy theorists failed to provide you with... some DETAIL:
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2001/019/1-treesfew-67k.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsveg1.gif
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsveg2.gif
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsveg3.gif

That look like a tree to you? A 1,000 mile wide tree? You can talk politics all you want, but don't **** with science. Science is a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject.. Conspiracies, by definition, are belief in ideas despite NO body of knowledge.

[IamRAMBO24]

If I asked you what scale that image is and where it came from could you tell me? Could you tell me what craft took the image and where on the planet it was located? Could you tell me what scientists concluded it was, or why? No you know nothing about the image other than what some crack pot conspiracy theorist told you because you don't trust authority and you only trust those who also don't trust authority. You are convinced what you are seeing is a god damned tree because some non-expert who didn't trust authority told you it was a tree despite knowing nothing of the source material, and nothing of what actual trained experts in the field knew and you won't hear any of that because you don't trust the actual authorities who initially provided you and your conspiracy brethren the source material to begin with. It's like the definition of insane.

Know what the span of those 'tree's' are? About 1,000 MILES. WOW OMG 1,000 MILES!?!?!?! why not SEND A ROVER THERE TO VISIT THE 1,000 MILE ALIEN TREES!!!!!!

Well ya see ... turns out that image you were shown by the conspiracy theorist wasn't exactly honest, as it was a low quality snapshot of a blatantly obvious geological feature. Especially given the scale. You see, Mars is made of rock, and sand, and some bits of frozen c02 and under the sand is even a little bit of water ice (that turns straight to a gas when heated, as mars atmospheric pressure is too low for water to ever become liquid... H2O in a liquid form is THE essential ingredient for life.). Plain and simple. And Mars atmosphere is 95% c02 ...now, plants (such as trees) LOVE co2, they (with the assistance of LIQUID WATER) convert co2 into oxygen. Mars however, only has 0.13% atmospheric oxygen... a bit low for having 1,000 mile wide tree's don't you think?

Here's your stupid 1,000 mile tree picture, zoomed in several orders of magnitude to show you what your crackpot conspiracy theorists failed to provide you with... some DETAIL:
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2001/019/1-treesfew-67k.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsveg1.gif
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsveg2.gif
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsveg3.gif

That look like a tree to you? A 1,000 mile wide tree? You can talk politics all you want, but don't **** with science. Science is a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject.. Conspiracies, by definition, are belief in ideas despite NO body of knowledge.

Why do you have to distort that picture for? :oldlol: What a fakkit. Anyways, stop trolling and I'll continue this discussion in the Mars thread.

[Kobr]

Raymone and CavaliersFTW, you do know that you're arguing with someone who is borderline mentally challenged right? I hope you feel real good about yourselves. Just let IamRAMBO24 have his UFOs and aliens and pseudosciences. If it keeps him happy, how is it harming anyone?

[IamRAMBO24]

Raymone and CavaliersFTW, you do know that you're arguing with someone who is borderline mentally challenged right? I hope you feel real good about yourselves. Just let IamRAMBO24 have his UFOs and aliens and pseudosciences. If it keeps him happy, how is it harming anyone?

Shut up noob, don't speak to your elders like that.

[Joyner82reload]

Do people honestly think police officers are serial murderers who track down innocent black teens and gun them down for amusement? And then lie to cover it up?

Jesus Christ, ya I'm sure these cops love nothing more than to potentially ruin their entire life and sit the next 100 years in jail. Not to mention this cop will probably be forced to resign over this and will be ostracized no matter if he's innocent or guilty.

[IamRAMBO24]

Do people honestly think police officers are serial murderers who track down innocent black teens and gun them down for amusement? And then lie to cover it up?



Fallacy: strawman. Changing the premise.

The problem is the police officers are using racial profiling and are not following protocols to diffuse a situation when faced with a black person the same way they would with a white person.

[IamRAMBO24]

the reason so many blacks are getting shot by cops is because they're criminals/thugs who are up to no good ..

And this is the mentality that has lead to the problem we are in.

[Joyner82reload]

Fallacy: strawman. Changing the premise.

The problem is the police officers are using racial profiling and are not following protocols to diffuse a situation when faced with a black person the same way they would with a white person.

If you're confrontational with a police officer, it ends poorly. Blacks are FAR more confrontational than whites. Blacks also commits violent crimes at a much higher frequency. Add those 2 together and you end up with dead black teens.

[oarabbus]

Fallacy: strawman. Changing the premise.

The problem is the police officers are using racial profiling and are not following protocols to diffuse a situation when faced with a black person the same way they would with a white person.


Rambo been on top of his debate game recently. Not just this post, pretty much the whole topic and others too. No more overly-philosophical Rambo, I like this new Rambo talking real shit on legit issues of the modern day :applause:

[masonanddixon]

The funny thing is that twitter and the liberal media are so pervasive with this shit that people around the world actually believe this. People in Australia honestly and truly believe US policeman go around targeting innocent black teenagers for the hell of it and shoot them in cold blood like it's the 1920s or some shit.

[CavaliersFTW]

Rambo been on top of his debate game recently. Not just this post, pretty much the whole topic and others too. No more overly-philosophical Rambo, I like this new Rambo talking real shit on legit issues of the modern day :applause:

Yeah see I'm gonna have to disagree.


Are you f*ckin stupid? Do you just ignore every link and photo that doesn't fit what you want to believe?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Trees/Mars_Trees_02.jpg
That's a tree on Mars.

Here is a video explaining it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxkTwokmpSE

Like I said, you idiots are constantly ignoring the evidence because it contradicts the official word. You're a tool. You can't even believe your own eyes or common sense. If there is evidence, then logic dictates you need to change your assumptions to fit it, not the other way around.

If I asked you what scale that image is and where it came from could you tell me? Could you tell me what craft took the image and where on the planet it was located? Could you tell me what scientists concluded it was, or why? No you know nothing about the image other than what some crack pot conspiracy theorist told you because you don't trust authority and you only trust those who also don't trust authority. You are convinced what you are seeing is a god damned tree because some non-expert who didn't trust authority told you it was a tree despite knowing nothing of the source material, and nothing of what actual trained experts in the field knew and you won't hear any of that because you don't trust the actual authorities who initially provided you and your conspiracy brethren the source material to begin with. It's like the definition of insane.

Know what the span of those 'tree's' are? About 1,000 MILES. WOW OMG 1,000 MILES!?!?!?! why not SEND A ROVER THERE TO VISIT THE 1,000 MILE ALIEN TREES!!!!!!

Well ya see ... turns out that image you were shown by the conspiracy theorist wasn't exactly honest, as it was a low quality snapshot of a blatantly obvious geological feature. Especially given the scale. You see, Mars is made of rock, and sand, and some bits of frozen c02 and under the sand is even a little bit of water ice (that turns straight to a gas when heated, as mars atmospheric pressure is too low for water to ever become liquid... H2O in a liquid form is THE essential ingredient for life.). Plain and simple. And Mars atmosphere is 95% c02 ...now, plants (such as trees) LOVE co2, they (with the assistance of LIQUID WATER) convert co2 into oxygen. Mars however, only has 0.13% atmospheric oxygen... a bit low for having 1,000 mile wide tree's don't you think?

Here's your stupid 1,000 mile tree picture, zoomed in several orders of magnitude to show you what your crackpot conspiracy theorists failed to provide you with... some DETAIL:
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2001/019/1-treesfew-67k.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsveg1.gif
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsveg2.gif
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsveg3.gif

That look like a tree to you? A 1,000 mile wide tree? You can talk politics all you want, but don't **** with science. Science is a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject.. Conspiracies, by definition, are belief in ideas despite NO body of knowledge.

Why do you have to distort that picture for? :oldlol: What a fakkit. Anyways, stop trolling and I'll continue this discussion in the Mars thread.
I reject your notion that that is person on top of their debate game, and propose that is the ramblings of a madman.

[9erempiree]

Looks like he's aiming a gun to me. I hate cops and never trust them and these incidents have made me trust them now. :confusedshrug:

http://www.libertynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/AntonioMartin2a.jpg

Just look at his movement and stance before he raises his arm. It's a natural stance when aiming a weapon.

[andremiller07]

The funny thing is that twitter and the liberal media are so pervasive with this shit that people around the world actually believe this. People in Australia honestly and truly believe US policeman go around targeting innocent black teenagers for the hell of it and shoot them in cold blood like it's the 1920s or some shit.
Only idiots believe that, they see the exact same shit here with Aboriginals (without gun's but) consistently accuse white's of doing shit to them and how cops are always on there case when they are clearly at fault.

[masonanddixon]

Only idiots believe that, they see the exact same shit here with Aboriginals (without gun's but) consistently accuse white's of doing shit to them and how cops are always on there case when they are clearly at fault.

Whoa, didn't know you're Australian??? lol seems like half of ISH is from Down Under.

But yeah, a lot of Queenslanders think this shit is real. They actually believe cops do this shit in America. They think hashtagging some shit over the internet without knowing any of the facts makes them appear educated. It's comical.

[9erempiree]

The truth is always filtered. We have our media manipulate the news and then it gets filtered down under and depending on the media there, the truth may never be revealed.

[StephHamann]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uIcD79IZcY

BREAKING: Video evidence: The cop was innocent

:biggums:

[bagelred]

OK, I just watched 3 surveillance videos. I mean, the cop JUMPED BACK SO FAST, it's clear either Antonio pointed a gun or the cop THOUGHT he pointed a gun. He backpedaled quickly as in fear for his life and then ran away....

[Patrick Chewing]

And this is the mentality that has lead to the problem we are in.


It's the facts. Blacks commit more crimes at an alarming rate.

[Godzuki]

ughh there is ZERO doubt that thug was pointing a gun if you watched the side view camera. its clear as day. even the reactions of the police and other dude corroborates that when they all start running back.

and this racial profiling sheep think is such a retard mainstream bitch mode way of seeing things when its not reality. like everything has to be equal, under the pretense every race equally commits crimes. only the biggest sheep think that way. lets not pretend its all of these white, indian, and azn guys in the hood shooting at each other and robbing people :facepalm but u stupid fukks keep pretending like every race equally does those things in the hood....

i'm not surprised the same conspiracy retards here are siding with the conspiracy tho, they're hopeless :sleeping its just dumb how so many others keep insisting we live in a country where every race is so equal and must be arrested, hired, and accepted into schools equally based on race quotas, and not earned judgements of individuals.

[NumberSix]

ughh there is ZERO doubt that thug was pointing a gun if you watched the side view camera. its clear as day. even the reactions of the police and other dude corroborates that when they all start running back.

and this racial profiling sheep think is such a retard mainstream bitch mode way of seeing things when its not reality. like everything has to be equal, under the pretense every race equally commits crimes. only the biggest sheep think that way. lets not pretend its all of these white, indian, and azn guys in the hood shooting at each other and robbing people :facepalm but u stupid fukks keep pretending like every race equally does those things in the hood....

i'm not surprised the same conspiracy retards here are siding with the conspiracy tho, they're hopeless :sleeping its just dumb how so many others keep insisting we live in a country where every race is so equal and must be arrested, hired, and accepted into schools equally based on race quotas, and not earned judgements of individuals.
It looks like the cop pushed him before he raised his arm up. It's entirely possible that he raised his arm up to point his finger at him and said something like "don't put your hands on me".

[CavaliersFTW]

It looks like the cop pushed him before he raised his arm up. It's entirely possible that he raised his arm up to point his finger at him and said something like "don't put your hands on me".
He got shot. For pointing a gun at a police officer. Pretty cut and dry.

[Bigsmoke]

someone got his pic? I need to update this infographic

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Nuffins_27cfd2_5391203.png

Trayvon Martin's killer wasn't even a cop and he was 100% innocent. Let's say he was buying lean, that wasn't Zimmerman's business. The cops even told him to not engage and he still did.

[IamRAMBO24]

He got shot. For pointing a gun at a police officer. Pretty cut and dry.

Why did the video stop at the moment he raised his arm? I know why, but a split second could mean he's really pointing something or he's showing something. The video is too blurry dude; you can't tell for sure that is a gun or something else. It's not conclusive, but I'm sure that should be enough for the judge and jurors.

[IamRAMBO24]

So they released 3 videos and all 3 show absolutely nothing?

http://www.christianpost.com/news/police-release-3-videos-allegedly-showing-18-y-o-antonio-martin-raising-gun-at-police-before-being-shot-as-protests-continue-131711/

[dude77]

what did the guy who ran to the store say ? wanna hear his take

[IamRAMBO24]

I am sorry, but this is pathetic. All 3 videos show absolutely nothing and the video that shows the gun is the only one that is too far away to see anything. The other 2 are in high res but doesn't show the gun at all.

It almost seems like it is deliberate.

Video 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkqPix9t0-k)
Video 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G3q3yPrKoU)

[IamRAMBO24]

Why the f*ck did the cop fall back in video 2? Did he get punched?

[IamRAMBO24]

In video 3 at 1:18 you can see an object with light. One of the theories is he could be pulling out a cell phone to record the cops, which explains why he's pointing something.

If it's a gun, then the cops need to man up and show actual footage. Why they gotta hide sh*t? I mean do they really expect people to be stupid enough to just go with with these sh*tty videos that show absolutely nothing? Wait nm they've already succeeded in that.

[Bigsmoke]

Why was the "their" camera turned off?

[IamRAMBO24]

Why was the "their" camera turned off?

Based on the 3 videos it seems like they are hiding something, so I wouldn't be surprise if it was turned on but suppressed.