Has any position ever been as deep as today's PG?

[CJ Mustard]

Westbook
Curry
Wall
CP3
Lillard
Irving
Lowry
Dragic
Teague
Conley

^All of the above are playing at an all star level.

Then you got Parker, Rose and Rondo who are elite when healthy, Brandon Knight, Darren Collison, Eric Bledsoe, Kemba Walker, Aaron Brooks, Ty Lawson, etc.

[andremiller07]

Irving should be in that bottom list, Ty Lawson should be in the top 10 instead of him

[3ball]

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Starting PG's With at Least 15.0 PER


......1997..............................2014

Penny Hardaway................. Russell Westbrook
Gary Payton....................... Chris Paul
Jason Kidd......................... Tony Parker
Tim Hardaway.................... John Wall
Kevin Johnson.................... Steph Curry
Allen Iverson...................... Monta Ellis
Nick Van Exel..................... Kyrie Irving
John Stockton.................... Rajon Rondo
Sam Cassell....................... Goran Dragic
Stephon Marbury................ Damian Lillard
Terrell Brandon.................. Jeff Teague
Damon Stoudamire............. Ty Lawson
Mookie Blaylock.................. Kyle Lowry
Rod Strickland.................... Deron Williams
Kenny Anderson................. Eric Bledsoe
Darrick Martin.................... Mike Conley
Mark Price......................... Jrue Holiday
Greg Anthony..................... Isiah Thomas
David Wesley..................... Kemba Walker


pretty close if you ask me - slight edge to 2014, which doesn't make up for the 2014 deficits at the SG, SF, PF, and C positions.

[noob cake]

Irving should be in that bottom list, Ty Lawson should be in the top 10 instead of him

Irving haters are ridiculous.

20/3/5 on 47% shooting, far more efficient than Lawson while being 4 years younger

[Fire Colangelo]

At one point you had at the SG position:

Kobe
Wade
Mcgrady
Iverson
Ray Allen
Vince Carter
Paul Pierce
Michael Redd
Ginobili
Rip Hamilton
Joe Johnson
Jason Terry
Jason Richardson

Etc.

[Audio One]

This is nothing but a semantic and technical occurence. The rule changes and lax defenses have made life indispensably easier for perimeter players, it's really much easier to acquire numbers and run the offense as opposed to yesteryear. Even looking at them play, these players are nothing but mostly jumpshooters, with most of them having questionable shot selection and floor general intelligence. These players are good for their particular time, but nowhere near hall of fame level or great in an all-time sense, w/ the exception of Paul (pre-injury), Rose (pre-injury) and maybe Parker. The jury's still out on Westbrook and Rondo.

It's really quite silly to compare these players to all-time great PG's and HOFs, as it's truly hard to say that PG's today were ever as good as JoJo White, Earl Monroe, Tiny, Tim Hardaway, or even as transcendent talents like Anfernee and KJ. Again, great athletic talents, capable competitors, but only great for this weak era. The fact that Curry and Harden are MVP candidates is laughable...

[andremiller07]

Irving haters are ridiculous.

20/3/5 on 47% shooting, far more efficient than Lawson while being 4 years younger
Isaiah Thomas last year 20/3/6 as a 3rd option on 46% with no defense and little to no playmaking ability while playing against better opposition :applause:....I guess he was top ten as well, even Mike James when 20 and 5 one year in Toronto.

[Collie]

The small forwards of the early to mid 80's. You had Bird, Doc, Nique, English, Dantley, Bernard King, Worthy, Marques Johnson on the first tier.

Then you also had very good players like Vandeweghe, Jamaal Wilkes, Xavier McDaniel, Calvin Natt, Mark Aguirre, Walter Davis, Kelly Tripucka, Eddie Johnson etc.

[PHILA]

Center in the early 70's

KAJ
Wilt
Thurmond
Reed
Cowens
Unseld
Bellamy
Hayes
Lanier
McAdoo
E. Smith
Gilmore (ABA)
Daniels (ABA)
Beaty (ABA)

[Uncle Drew]

Irving should be in that bottom list, Ty Lawson should be in the top 10 instead of him
Rent free.

[L.Kizzle]

90s centers

Hakeem
Ewing
Robinson
Shaq
Zo
Deke
Smits

[Legends66NBA7]

Is that list in order ?

[chocolatethunder]

This is nothing but a semantic and technical occurence. The rule changes and lax defenses have made life indispensably easier for perimeter players, it's really much easier to acquire numbers and run the offense as opposed to yesteryear. Even looking at them play, these players are nothing but mostly jumpshooters, with most of them having questionable shot selection and floor general intelligence. These players are good for their particular time, but nowhere near hall of fame level or great in an all-time sense, w/ the exception of Paul (pre-injury), Rose (pre-injury) and maybe Parker. The jury's still out on Westbrook and Rondo.

It's really quite silly to compare these players to all-time great PG's and HOFs, as it's truly hard to say that PG's today were ever as good as JoJo White, Earl Monroe, Tiny, Tim Hardaway, or even as transcendent talents like Anfernee and KJ. Again, great athletic talents, capable competitors, but only great for this weak era. The fact that Curry and Harden are MVP candidates is laughable...
Do you know what semantic means? Because I'm not sure that you do.

[CJ Mustard]

Is that list in order ?
Nope.

[livingby3's]

How many of those are true floor generals? Game changed.

[Reggie43]

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Starting PG's With at Least 15.0 PER


......1997..............................2014

Penny Hardaway................. Russell Westbrook
Gary Payton....................... Chris Paul
Jason Kidd......................... Tony Parker
Tim Hardaway.................... John Wall
Kevin Johnson.................... Steph Curry
Allen Iverson...................... Monta Ellis
Nick Van Exel..................... Kyrie Irving
John Stockton.................... Rajon Rondo
Sam Cassell....................... Goran Dragic
Stephon Marbury................ Damian Lillard
Terrell Brandon.................. Jeff Teague
Damon Stoudamire............. Ty Lawson
Mookie Blaylock.................. Kyle Lowry
Rod Strickland.................... Deron Williams
Kenny Anderson................. Eric Bledsoe
Darrick Martin.................... Mike Conley
Mark Price......................... Jrue Holiday
Greg Anthony..................... Isiah Thomas
David Wesley..................... Kemba Walker


pretty close if you ask me - slight edge to 2014, which doesn't make up for the 2014 deficits at the SG, SF, PF, and C positions.

How could you forget the league leader in assists for 96-97? Would probably take Mark Jackson over half of the players you listed

[Showtime80']

It's been a long time since I posted in this forum but post like this just can't get by without an adequate response. Do you realize that right know the NBA has no position in which is better than the 80's or 90's? May be you can say PF (that decade's weakest position) but the 80's still produced Barkley, K. Malone, McHale, Buck Williams, Dennis Rodman, Oakley, AC Green, Roy Tarpley, X McDaniel, Larry Nancy etc... Or SG (Second Weakest) and still Jordan, Drexler, Moncrief, Scott, Dumars, Ron Harper, Andrew Toney, Rolando Blackman, Walter Davis etc... When it comes to the C, PG and SF it's not even funny how in favor it turns to the 80's. You want to know why the 80's offenses ran like well oiled machines? take a look at this list:

First Tier:

Magic Johnson- Lakers
Norm Nixon- Lakers, Clippers
Isaiah Thomas- Pistons
Dennis Johnson- Suns, Celtics
Terry Porter- Blazers
Fat Lever- Nuggets
Maurice Cheeks- Sixers
Doc Rivers- Hawks
John Stockton- Jazz
Derek Harper- Mavericks
John Lucas- Bullets, Hawks
Nate McMillan- Sonics
Mark Jackson- Knicks
Kevin Johnson- Suns
Mark Price- Cavs
Sleepy Floyd- Warriors
Michael Ray Richardson-Knicks

Second Tier

John Moore (Underrated), Reggie Thieus, Frank Johnson, Gus Williams, John Paxson Larry Drew, Geoff Huston (Very Underrated), Gerald Henderson, Vern Flemming

Count how many all stars and hall of famers are in on that list. In a 23 team league that was pivotal to why the offenses ran as well as they did. The last decade in which the PG was the true quarterback/coach on the floor and was not looking to score 25 to 30 points and at a time when the rules did not favor guards as they do today.

[ImKobe]

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Starting PG's With at Least 15.0 PER


......1997..............................2014

Penny Hardaway................. Russell Westbrook
Gary Payton....................... Chris Paul
Jason Kidd......................... Tony Parker
Tim Hardaway.................... John Wall
Kevin Johnson.................... Steph Curry
Allen Iverson...................... Monta Ellis
Nick Van Exel..................... Kyrie Irving
John Stockton.................... Rajon Rondo
Sam Cassell....................... Goran Dragic
Stephon Marbury................ Damian Lillard
Terrell Brandon.................. Jeff Teague
Damon Stoudamire............. Ty Lawson
Mookie Blaylock.................. Kyle Lowry
Rod Strickland.................... Deron Williams
Kenny Anderson................. Eric Bledsoe
Darrick Martin.................... Mike Conley
Mark Price......................... Jrue Holiday
Greg Anthony..................... Isiah Thomas
David Wesley..................... Kemba Walker


pretty close if you ask me - slight edge to 2014, which doesn't make up for the 2014 deficits at the SG, SF, PF, and C positions.

Pretty close? Westbrook, CP3 & Curry are better than any other PG on that list.

Yes, better than Stockton.

[raiderfan19]

The mid 2000s pfs. Duncan/dirk/kg/sheed/brand/oneal/Jamison/boozer(he was actually good once) zbo, Lamar odom/Chris bosh/pau Gasol/amare(Marion also played a lot of pf)/kirilenko

I left webber off because he got hurt right before a bunch of the other guys got there and Malone because he finally got old at the same time but man was there a lot of talent at that position for a long time.

[L.Kizzle]

It's been a long time since I posted in this forum but post like this just can't get by without an adequate response. Do you realize that right know the NBA has no position in which is better than the 80's or 90's? May be you can say PF (that decade's weakest position) but the 80's still produced Barkley, K. Malone, McHale, Buck Williams, Dennis Rodman, Oakley, AC Green, Roy Tarpley, X McDaniel, Larry Nancy etc... Or SG (Second Weakest) and still Jordan, Drexler, Moncrief, Scott, Dumars, Ron Harper, Andrew Toney, Rolando Blackman, Walter Davis etc... When it comes to the C, PG and SF it's not even funny how in favor it turns to the 80's. You want to know why the 80's offenses ran like well oiled machines? take a look at this list:

First Tier:

Magic Johnson- Lakers
Norm Nixon- Lakers, Clippers
Isaiah Thomas- Pistons
Dennis Johnson- Suns, Celtics
Terry Porter- Blazers
Fat Lever- Nuggets
Maurice Cheeks- Sixers
Doc Rivers- Hawks
John Stockton- Jazz
Derek Harper- Mavericks
John Lucas- Bullets, Hawks
Nate McMillan- Sonics
Mark Jackson- Knicks
Kevin Johnson- Suns
Mark Price- Cavs
Sleepy Floyd- Warriors
Michael Ray Richardson-Knicks

Second Tier

John Moore (Underrated), Reggie Thieus, Frank Johnson, Gus Williams, John Paxson Larry Drew, Geoff Huston (Very Underrated), Gerald Henderson, Vern Flemming

Count how many all stars and hall of famers are in on that list. In a 23 team league that was pivotal to why the offenses ran as well as they did. The last decade in which the PG was the true quarterback/coach on the floor and was not looking to score 25 to 30 points and at a time when the rules did not favor guards as they do today.
Gus Williams is first tier.

[Cali Syndicate]

i wonder how well a player like Mahmoud Abdul- would do in today's game.