Westbrook had zero fouls today?

[ninephive]

Wait a minute...I thought this was some type of mistake, but I think it's actually correct. Russell Westbrook despite his outrageously aggressive play on both ends of the court literally never got whistled for a foul today. Of course there were no Spurs that played a single minute with no fouls. I understand there's going to be a free throw discrepancy when you play OKC (even at home), but come on now, really?

[navy]

Westbrook >>>>> Parker

[KDthunderup]

why you so salty?

[Budadiiii]

Did you watch the game..... or nah?

I don't think he got close to fouling. Maybe when he reached in on Parker in like the 3rd Q? He wasn't fouling anyone.

It would have been a blowout had the refs not started taking over the game after Westbrook went out in the 3rd. They got insanely ridiculous calls in the 4th to keep it somewhat manageable.

OKC overcame that home cooking because they want it more. Even Gregg can tell you that.

[ninephive]

Did you watch the game..... or nah?

I don't think he got close to fouling. Maybe when he reached in on Parker in like the 3rd Q? He wasn't fouling anyone.

It would have been a blowout had the refs not started taking over the game after Westbrook went out in the 3rd. They got insanely ridiculous calls in the 4th to keep it somewhat manageable.

OKC overcame that home cooking because they want it more. Even Gregg can tell you that.
Yah I was there...you saw the first quarter right? And you understand what a free throw discrepancy is right?

[Budadiiii]

Yah I was there...you saw the first quarter right? And you understand what a free throw discrepancy is right?
OKC is constantly attacking and Spurs shooting jump shots.

Are you ****ed in the head?

[ninephive]

Westbrook >>>>> Parker
At doing this:
http://youtu.be/7QZ5fMqPx9w

[MellowYellow]

Did you watch the game..... or nah?

I don't think he got close to fouling. Maybe when he reached in on Parker in like the 3rd Q? He wasn't fouling anyone.

It would have been a blowout had the refs not started taking over the game after Westbrook went out in the 3rd. They got insanely ridiculous calls in the 4th to keep it somewhat manageable.

OKC overcame that home cooking because they want it more. Even Gregg can tell you that.

OKC 38 fta Spurs 21 fta

Right... homecooking......go play in traffic

[SpecialQue]

He's just that damn good.

[MellowYellow]

OKC is constantly attacking and Spurs shooting jump shots.

Are you ****ed in the head?

It does not matter, ft discrepancy should never be more than 5 -8 fta at the most. A foul can be called on every play.

[ninephive]

OKC is constantly attacking and Spurs shooting jump shots.

Are you ****ed in the head?
No...DID....YOU....SEE...THE...FIRST....QUARTER? Do you really believe Westbrook was fouled on his first 4 whistles in the first quarter?

[Budadiiii]

OKC 38 fta Spurs 21 fta

Right... homecooking......go play in traffic
Box score watchers.

Gregg was intentionally fouling them late too. Nobody watching that game thinks the refs were on OKC's side, especially in the second half. If they do, they're sick in the head like OP. What a retarded troll you are.

[navy]

At doing this:
http://youtu.be/7QZ5fMqPx9w
Did Tony Parker even play that game? :lol

[ninephive]

Box score watchers.

Gregg was intentionally fouling them late too. Nobody watching that game thinks the refs were on OKC's side, especially in the second half. If they do, they're sick in the head like OP. What a retarded troll you are.
Only 26,000 fans at the AT&T Center booing on every one of those replays. I like the "especially in the second half" part.

[KDthunderup]

It does not matter, ft discrepancy should never be more than 5 -8 fta at the most. A foul can be called on every play.
A shooting foul can be called on every play? You are a deadset spastic.

[MellowYellow]

Box score watchers.

Gregg was intentionally fouling them late too. Nobody watching that game thinks the refs were on OKC's side, especially in the second half. If they do, they're sick in the head like OP. What a retarded troll you are.

Dude, just admit okc gets special ref treatment. KD is the biggest offender, most babied superstar in nba history. Adds 2ppg and 3% to fg% that he shouldnt have. The sad part is that over half his fta come off jumpshots

[Mr. Jabbar]

i would be scared to blow the whistle too, dudes alpha AF

[ninephive]

Did Tony Parker even play that game? :lol
Not the second half...had to get his hamstring ready to lead the Spurs in scoring in the Finals. Meanwhile 1-7 Westbrick went home to learn how to make shots hit the backboard at the end of games.

[ninephive]

i would be scared to blow the whistle too, dudes alpha AF
He screamed at the refs like 25 times and come to find out they never called him for a foul the entire game. This guy is Alpha!

[Milbuck]

Westbrook >>>>>>>>>> Parker and it's not close :oldlol:

[navy]

Not the second half...had to get his hamstring ready to lead the Spurs in scoring in the Finals. Meanwhile 1-7 Westbrick went home to learn how to make shots hit the backboard at the end of games.
lol Tony Parker could have sat out those Finals and Spurs would have won.

[Legends66NBA7]

Well I'm glad there's something else that's part of the game than scoring and efficiency that's been brought up.

[ninephive]

Westbrook >>>>>>>>>> Parker and it's not close :oldlol:
At FG Attempts, agreed.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

OKC 38 fta Spurs 21 fta

Right... homecooking......go play in traffic

This pretty much.

This your first Spurs/Reflahoma game, OP? Did you see the 2012 WCF or the 2014 WCF, etc? OKC always gets all the whistles and Westbrook and co are always allowed to molest Parker, etc every possession. I've gotten used to it by now, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Just the nature of the game.

:coleman:

[SpecialQue]

Can't wait to ram it down your throat

[ninephive]

lol Tony Parker could have sat out those Finals and Spurs would have won.
Hey, if you can sit your highest scorer and still win, great. I'm fine with that.

[ninephive]

This pretty much.

This your first Spurs/Reflahoma game, OP? Did you see the 2012 WCF or the 2014 WCF, etc? OKC always gets all the whistles and Westbrook and co are always allowed to molest Parker, etc every possession. I've gotten used to it by now, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Just the nature of the game.

:coleman:
Naw, I made a few threads after 2012 G6 along with the others.

[Milbuck]

At FG Attempts, agreed.
No, at playing basketball. Westbrook SHITS on Tony Parker on both ends of the floor and embarrasses him to the point of Pop benching Parker. You're completely aware of this and it ****ing kills you :oldlol:

[Genaro]

OP's so salty about this game and is just a sore loser isn't even funny.
Just chill out, brow. It's just a December game.

[Artillery]

OKC is constantly attacking and Spurs shooting jump shots.

Are you ****ed in the head?

Are you retarded? Spurs scored more points in the paint than the Thunder today. They got hacked quite a bit too but OKC, like usual, was allowed to get away with it. Typical OKC game though. You have to beat the refs if you want to beat the Thunder.

[Artillery]

lol Tony Parker could have sat out those Finals and Spurs would have won.

:oldlol: Parker could have sat out the entire playoffs and the Spurs would have still won. That's how useless he was. Patty Mills outplayed him in the Finals for ****sake.

[dunksby]

Spurs fans hate Westbrook so much, Russell just obliterates them whenever they meet :lol

[Artillery]

Hey, if you can sit your highest scorer and still win, great. I'm fine with that.

Nah, they sat a cancerous French turd who has tunnel vision and the team played better without him. Same thing happened in the Finals - Heat accumulated a huge lead in game 5 when Parker was on the floor. SA subs in Patty Mills and he ends up blowing the Heat out with three point bombs.

Parker's inability to pass OR shoot has always held the Spurs back. He pretty much only has two moves - quick drive to the hoop(which he can't do anymore with his declining speed) and a shitty mid-range jump shot that's not very effective anymore. Just a garbage player that's killing the team with his bloated conteact. Pretty much the Kobe Bryant of the Spurs - overpaid with lots of negative impact on the court.

[Artillery]

Spurs fans hate Westbrook so much, Russell just obliterates them whenever they meet :lol

The only Spurs fans that hate him is ninephive but he doesn't really count since he's a delusional Tony Parker fanboy. Most Spurs fans are indifferent towards Russ.

[Graviton]

Spurs fans hate Westbrook so much, Russell just obliterates them whenever they meet :lol
More like Westbrook obliterates Parker so badly he has to be benched. Corey Joseph actually plays some decent defense against him and forces Russ into long 2s. Parker on the other hand looks like a lost schoolgirl that gets blown by at every opportunity.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Spurs fans hate Westbrook so much, Russell just obliterates them whenever they meet :lol

Westbreezy is actually one of my favorite players, but he does get away with hacking Parker a ton every time we play them and everyone always attributes it to him 'outplaying' him in some manner, which is just absurd. If they called even half the fouls he commits on Parker every time we play them, no one would be saying he destroys him like they do. I like watching OKC play, except when they play us because I know they are going to get favored by the refs heavily and we will have to outplay them to the nth degree like we did in the WCF this last post season just to squeak by.

:coleman:

[dunksby]

Westbreezy is actually one of my favorite players, but he does get away with hacking Parker a ton every time we play them and everyone always attributes it to him 'outplaying' him in some manner, which is just absurd. If they called even half the fouls he commits on Parker every time we play them, no one would be saying he destroys him like they do. I like watching OKC play, except when they play us because I know they are going to get favored by the refs heavily and we will have to outplay them to the nth degree like we did in the WCF this last post season just to squeak by.

:coleman:
I guess Refs respect Westbrook more than Parker, probably even they know who is the better player :cheers:

[Artillery]

Westbreezy is actually one of my favorite players, but he does get away with hacking Parker a ton every time we play them and everyone always attributes it to him 'outplaying' him in some manner, which is just absurd. If they called even half the fouls he commits on Parker every time we play them, no one would be saying he destroys him like they do. I like watching OKC play, except when they play us because I know they are going to get favored by the refs heavily and we will have to outplay them to the nth degree like we did in the WCF this last post season just to squeak by.

:coleman:

Mostly Parker's fault for playing like a bitch though. You play physical defense on him and he falls apart('03 Nets series, '04 Lakers series, '05 Pistons Finals, '13 Heat Finals,etc) He's always been one of the softest players on the Spurs. Never plays defense, always makes up excuses and injuries whenever he has a poor performance. First to quit on the team when he has to face adversity. He's a primadonna pretty much. A French Kobe.

[imdaman99]

Westbrook cheated off Parker all day. It's like he was playing free safety and on those passes, he kept picking them off. Dude would be a good safety in the NFL :applause:

[Artillery]

I guess Refs respect Westbrook more than Parker, probably even they know who is the better player :cheers:

Of course, Westbrook's the better player. There's like twenty point guards in the NBA that are better than Parker right now.

[ninephive]

Of course, Westbrook's the better player. There's like twenty point guards in the NBA that are better than Parker right now.
That so funny that as a perpetual All-Star AND All-NBA player, the coaches and the NBA think you're wrong. But I'm sure you're right. I'm sure there are twenty, moron.

[ninephive]

More like Westbrook obliterates Parker so badly he has to be benched. Corey Joseph actually plays some decent defense against him and forces Russ into long 2s. Parker on the other hand looks like a lost schoolgirl that gets blown by at every opportunity.
Does he look like as much of a lost schoolgirl as Westbrook does here?
http://youtu.be/jqu1sVzOvVs

[ninephive]

Mostly Parker's fault for playing like a bitch though. You play physical defense on him and he falls apart('03 Nets series, '04 Lakers series, '05 Pistons Finals, '13 Heat Finals,etc) He's always been one of the softest players on the Spurs. Never plays defense, always makes up excuses and injuries whenever he has a poor performance. First to quit on the team when he has to face adversity. He's a primadonna pretty much. A French Kobe.
Tony Parker's "falling apart" series:

'03 Finals - 2nd leading scorer behind Duncan (outscored Manu by 5.3 PPG)
'04 Lakers - 2nd leading scorer behind Duncan (16.7 PPG, 6.0 APG)
'05 Pistons - 3rd leading scorer behind Duncan/Manu (13.9 PPG on much better shooting than Duncan)
'13 Finals - 2nd leading scorer behind Duncan (15.7 PPG, 6.4 APG), Game 1 clinching shot, game 6 clinching 3-pointer, steal, floater until the Spurs meltdown.

[ninephive]

Nah, they sat a cancerous French turd who has tunnel vision and the team played better without him. Same thing happened in the Finals - Heat accumulated a huge lead in game 5 when Parker was on the floor. SA subs in Patty Mills and he ends up blowing the Heat out with three point bombs.

Parker's inability to pass OR shoot has always held the Spurs back. He pretty much only has two moves - quick drive to the hoop(which he can't do anymore with his declining speed) and a shitty mid-range jump shot that's not very effective anymore. Just a garbage player that's killing the team with his bloated conteact. Pretty much the Kobe Bryant of the Spurs - overpaid with lots of negative impact on the court.
$23.5 million as the best player on one of the worst teams in the league.
$12.5 million as the only All-Star/All-NBA player on the defending champions.

Great comparison!

[ninephive]

:oldlol: Parker could have sat out the entire playoffs and the Spurs would have still won. That's how useless he was. Patty Mills outplayed him in the Finals for ****sake.
Playoffs:

Parker: 17.4 PPG on .486 / 4.8 APG
Mills: 7.3 PPG on .447 / 1.4 APG

Finals:

Parker: 18.0 PPG on .479 / 4.6 APG
Mills: 10.2 PPG on .543 / 1.6 APG

Wow, Parker just got destroyed by Mills! If we didn't have Patty's 7.3 PPG, we might have not even made it to the Finals!! But we could easily throw away Parker's G7 against Dallas. We didn't need his 32 points on 11 for 19. We needed Mills' 7 points on 2 for 8 in our only elimination game!

Hey, honestly, when your statements are so absurd in light of facts, do you ever feel like you're only lying to yourself?

[Jef]

shouldnt you be somewhere complaining about how the Heat were "bought" and not "built" or something?

shouldnt you be posting hundreds of videos showcasing isolated incidents of the spurs making westbrook look foolish admist his utter demolition of the entire state of texas?

shuoldnt you be on a spurs board calling westbrook a "monkey" and "westchimp" and calling everyone who disagrees a "libtard?" or talking about how the spurs werent even close to healthy because kawhi was out (while ignoring another player who didnt play)?

spurs fans are the worst. they are the St. Louis Cardinals fans of the NBA, only possibly more racist and almost certainly more stupid. they are the guys who set screens when they play 21, or just sit underneath the basket because it is more efficient. they are the fans who nervously look around after an alley oop to see if theyre allowed to cheer for such a "flashy" play.

we have doubted the spurs for a while - and been proven wrong. great. good. keep hating on dunks that occur because there werent 4 bounce passes that led to them. when the san antonio downfall comes - and come, it will - it will likely be at the hands of the one you racist mother****ers refer to as "westchimp," and the only person who will give spurs fans less sympathy than other nba fans is this guy:
http://waywewore.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/westbrookrubyrod.jpg

[ImKobe]

Westbrook didn't have trouble guarding anybody and he didn't get a charge

you mad?

[navy]

Does he look like as much of a lost schoolgirl as Westbrook does here?
http://youtu.be/jqu1sVzOvVs
Tony Parker was on Westbrooks level in 2012. Maybe even better.

[ninephive]

shouldnt you be somewhere complaining about how the Heat were "bought" and not "built" or something?

shouldnt you be posting hundreds of videos showcasing isolated incidents of the spurs making westbrook look foolish admist his utter demolition of the entire state of texas?

shuoldnt you be on a spurs board calling westbrook a "monkey" and "westchimp" and calling everyone who disagrees a "libtard?" or talking about how the spurs werent even close to healthy because kawhi was out (while ignoring another player who didnt play)?

spurs fans are the worst. they are the St. Louis Cardinals fans of the NBA, only possibly more racist and almost certainly more stupid. they are the guys who set screens when they play 21, or just sit underneath the basket because it is more efficient. they are the fans who nervously look around after an alley oop to see if theyre allowed to cheer for such a "flashy" play.

we have doubted the spurs for a while - and been proven wrong. great. good. keep hating on dunks that occur because there werent 4 bounce passes that led to them. when the san antonio downfall comes - and come, it will - it will likely be at the hands of the one you racist mother****ers refer to as "westchimp," and the only person who will give spurs fans less sympathy than other nba fans is this guy:
http://waywewore.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/westbrookrubyrod.jpg
Not sure where you're heading with all the racism, but all I'm saying is the Thunder are a good team, but when Westbrook goes Westbrook, it's not a sustainable strategy for a championship. I might be proven wrong, but I think this team is very very good when Durant gets the load. Personally, this is my opinion: bring Westrbook off the bench like the Spurs do Ginobili. Will it hurt everyone's +/- stats, well yah, but he could obviously be the Spark the Thunder need for their bench. There's just not enough shots to go around when you have two big-time volume shooters. I think bringing Westbrook off the bench makes this team a championship team. Just my opinion.

[KG215]

Not sure where you're heading with all the racism, but all I'm saying is the Thunder are a good team, but when Westbrook goes Westbrook, it's not a sustainable strategy for a championship. I might be proven wrong, but I think this team is very very good when Durant gets the load. Personally, this is my opinion: bring Westrbook off the bench like the Spurs do Ginobili. Will it hurt everyone's +/- stats, well yah, but he could obviously be the Spark the Thunder need for their bench. There's just not enough shots to go around when you have two big-time volume shooters. I think bringing Westbrook off the bench makes this team a championship team. Just my opinion.
I'm guessing he's probably thinking your also post on Spurstalk which is flooded with all kinds of racist remarks towards Westbrook every time the Spurs play OKC. Although I haven't picked up on anything racist in your posts, based on everything else you'd fit in quite nicely with the classless mouth breathers over at Spurstalk.

[sd3035]

No need to cry, it's just a game

Westbrook > you

[Fudge]

The SALT is REAL.

[navy]

I'm guessing he's probably thinking your also post on Spurstalk which is flooded with all kinds of racist remarks towards Westbrook every time the Spurs play OKC. Although I haven't picked up on anything racist in your posts, based on everything else you'd fit in quite nicely with the classless mouth breathers over at Spurstalk.
To be fair, Spurstalk is racist towards their own players as well.

Texans. :facepalm

[ninephive]

I'm guessing he's probably thinking your also post on Spurstalk which is flooded with all kinds of racist remarks towards Westbrook every time the Spurs play OKC. Although I haven't picked up on anything racist in your posts, based on everything else you'd fit in quite nicely with the classless mouth breathers over at Spurstalk.
I hear you...I tried to join Spurstalk a few years ago and then again last year. I don't think the mods do anything, because there have been threads about no new posters in years. Anyway, mostly I just try to defend Parker in these posts. He is severely under-appreciated here and also on Spurstalk IMO (except for a handful of posters). Most of us suffer from "what have you done for me lately" anytime Parker is injured, which I think is happening. Whenever he gets back in the swing of things and has a few dominant games, the narrative switches and people start calling him a top PG in the league again.

[nba_55]

shouldnt you be somewhere complaining about how the Heat were "bought" and not "built" or something?

shouldnt you be posting hundreds of videos showcasing isolated incidents of the spurs making westbrook look foolish admist his utter demolition of the entire state of texas?

shuoldnt you be on a spurs board calling westbrook a "monkey" and "westchimp" and calling everyone who disagrees a "libtard?" or talking about how the spurs werent even close to healthy because kawhi was out (while ignoring another player who didnt play)?

spurs fans are the worst. they are the St. Louis Cardinals fans of the NBA, only possibly more racist and almost certainly more stupid. they are the guys who set screens when they play 21, or just sit underneath the basket because it is more efficient. they are the fans who nervously look around after an alley oop to see if theyre allowed to cheer for such a "flashy" play.

we have doubted the spurs for a while - and been proven wrong. great. good. keep hating on dunks that occur because there werent 4 bounce passes that led to them. when the san antonio downfall comes - and come, it will - it will likely be at the hands of the one you racist mother****ers refer to as "westchimp," and the only person who will give spurs fans less sympathy than other nba fans is this guy:
http://waywewore.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/westbrookrubyrod.jpg

:biggums: He's so ugly! Looks like a tranny. :biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

inb4 Milbuck tells us Westbrook > Parker

[Artillery]

That so funny that as a perpetual All-Star AND All-NBA player, the coaches and the NBA think you're wrong. But I'm sure you're right. I'm sure there are twenty, moron.

lol All-Star awards. Kobe got an all-star nod last year averaging 13 ppg while playing less than six games.


Does he look like as much of a lost schoolgirl as Westbrook does here?

2014 WCF:

13 ppg on .51 TS% - Parker
27 ppg on .54 TS% - Westbrook

Destroyed Parker so bad Tony chose to sit out game six leaving the old timers(Duncan/Ginobili) to close out the series.


Tony Parker's "falling apart" series:

'03 Finals - 2nd leading scorer behind Duncan (outscored Manu by 5.3 PPG

:oldlol: These stats are so damn wrong and without any context:

Parker's numbers in the '03 Finals:

14 ppg on .451 TS%
96 ORtg

God awful efficiency. Unable to run the offense either as evidenced by his poor ORtg. Jason Kidd outplayed TP to the point where Pop had to take Tony out in fourth quarters and trusted old vet Speedy Claxton to close out games. Claxton had a 116 ORtg that series - that's what good point guards are SUPPOSED to do. TP has never understood this though and has always been a ballstopper his entire career(except for maybe 2012 and 2013)


'04 Lakers - 2nd leading scorer behind Duncan (16.7 PPG, 6.0 APG)

Parker's numbers against the '04 Lakers:

16.7 ppg on .421 TS%
90 ORtg

Crappy efficiency again. Another series where Parker drags down the team's offense with his poor playmaking. Infamous series for him too. After TP's fluky performance in games 1 and 2, PJ told his guys to hard foul Parker and deny him the rim. TP fell apart after that. Game 5 was the worst. Series was tied and what does Parker decide to do? Shoot the Spurs out of a close game. He went 7-23(30%) that night. Took more shots than Duncan and Ginobili COMBINED. Spurs ended up losing that game by one point. Manu vastly outplayed Parker that series. It was at that point that it became clear that Ginobili was a much better player than Parker and deserved more playing time. Manu's numbers that series:

14.7 ppg on .59 TS%
119 ORtg


'05 Pistons - 3rd leading scorer behind Duncan/Manu (13.9 PPG on much better shooting than Duncan)

Parker's numbers against the '05 Pistons:

13.9 ppg on .471
89 ORtg

Another series where Tony has shit tier efficiency? Yup. This is becoming a trend for TP. Unable to run the offense either. Point guards are supposed to have GOOD ORtg numbers. Look at Billups in that same series:

20.4 ppg on .57 TS%
128 ORtg

Shits all over Tony's numbers. Not that surprising seeing as he's one of the best point guards of the 2000s(alongside Nash) while TP"s the most overrated and inefficient. Compare TP's crap numbers against the Pistons with Ginobili's:

18.7 ppg on .64% TS
117 ORtg


'13 Finals - 2nd leading scorer behind Duncan (15.7 PPG, 6.4 APG), Game 1 clinching shot, game 6 clinching 3-pointer, steal, floater until the Spurs meltdown.

Parker's numbers in the 2013 Finals:

15.7 ppg on .472 TS%
103 ORtg

Shot 6-23 in game six. 3-12 in game seven. Went a combined 9-35 in the those two closeout games. You want to close out a team, NEVER trust Tony Parker. Last year's Spurs playoff run is a good example. Didn't play the closeout game against Portland, Spurs still blew out the Blazers. Quit on the team in the closeout game 6 against OKC. Duncan and Manu had to carry the team into overtime to win that game.Shot 0-11 in the closeout game against the Heat in the Finals. Miami accumulated a double digit lead during Parker's embarrassing attempt at trying to chuck for the Finals MVP. Patty Mills came in and saved the day with his three point bombs.



$23.5 million as the best player on one of the worst teams in the league.
$12.5 million as the only All-Star/All-NBA player on the defending champions.

Great comparison!

NBA ESPN RPM numbers:

-2.06 - Kobe Bryant (ranked 330 in the entire NBA)
-2.76 - Tony Parker (ranked 390 in the entire NBA)

Kobe has been villified due to his negative impact on his team. Tony Parker's impact number are even worse though. You know you're having a bad season when you're playing worse than someone that's considered one of the biggest cancers in the entire league. How the hell is Parker escaping any criticism? He's dragging the Spurs down whenever he steps on the court. Like Kobe, he has a few good games here and there but overall, he's terrible. Kobe's four years older than Parker so what's Tony's excuse for being such a crappy player?

Kobe's contract isn't as bad as Tony's either. He's owed $48 million over the next two years. Lakers only have to wait one more year after this season to rebuild. Parker's promised $56 million over the next four years. That's a lot of money going to a declining point guard that has worse impact stats than current Kobe.

He plays on a winning team, has HOF teammates around him, an all-time great coach, and yet his impact numbers are atrocious. Like I've said many times before, one of the most overrated players in NBA history and incredibly fortunate to play alongside two legends in Duncan and Ginobili. Would have had a mediocre career if he was drafted by any other team.