Love was benched for the 4th quarter tonight, Cavs make comeback

[J Shuttlesworth]

@ESPNStatsInfo: Kevin Love DNP in 4th quarter of Cavaliers win over Magic.

Magic shot 57% with Love on floor (70% in paint), 35% with him on bench

:eek:

[Doranku]

Kevin "Empty Stats" Love. Always has been, always will be.

Then you have to factor the LeBron effect in and it's no surprise that Love has looked as bad as he has.

[edrick]

I noticed that. ****ing love was scoring like crazy, but his defense is beyond awful.

[Budadiiii]

A third option who can drop 40 and get you 20 boards.

Best third option in the league.

[edrick]

A third option who can drop 40 and get you 20 boards.

Best third option in the league.

This would be true, if scoring was a problem for the Cavs, which it isn't. The Cavs are horrid defensively.

[J Shuttlesworth]

A third option who can drop 40 and get you 20 boards.

Best third option in the league.
He can also allow the other team to shoot 70% in the paint

[Tmuston Beltics]

I think Love is there for the rebounds, not for the D.

[Lexington Steel]

But they were down 4 going into the 4th.

What a comeback. :rolleyes:

Keep trying to downplay LeBron's teammates, doe.

[Mr. Jabbar]

excuses piling up as soon as december:oldlol:

[Budadiiii]

This would be true, if scoring was a problem for the Cavs, which it isn't. The Cavs are horrid defensively.
Waiters and Marion are great defenders.

Irving is good.

LeBron has been very bad. Love average.

[Lebron23]

Lebron still clutch.

[J Shuttlesworth]

But they were down 4 going into the 4th.

What a comeback. :rolleyes:

Keep trying to downplay LeBron's teammates, doe.
They went from down 4 to being up by 9 at one point. That's a huge difference, and it was all because of defense.

You have to admit it's pretty rare to see an all star get benched for the entire fourth quarter without any health reasons.

Everyone will come in this thread and troll and try to make it about "LeBron's help" but you have to admit that this is pretty unusual to see

[RRR3]

I don't see the point of Love on this team. Trade him for a 3+d wing guy and a athletic big man who plays great defense and rebounds. That makes a lot more sense to me. Love is a terrific offensive player but Cavs need defense, and the role that Love has on this team could be filled by lesser players.

[Hittin_Shots]

If you score 40 but ur defence allows them to score more it's not good budadiI, defence is half the game. Great offence beats great defence as they say, but terrible defence loses games.

[edrick]

Waiters and Marion are great defenders.

Irving is good.

LeBron has been very bad. Love average.

lol

Love has been awful. Such an obvious Lebron hater. Waiters only recently started playing decently. Lebron has been awful on defense as well, but we at least know he can play defense. Love has always sucked.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I don't see the point of Love on this team. Trade him for a 3+d wing guy and a athletic big man who plays great defense and rebounds. That makes a lot more sense to me. Love is a terrific offensive player but Cavs need defense, and the role that Love has on this team could be filled by lesser players.
Love is a great piece but only if the Cavs have a serviceable big who can play defense. He's not a guy you want playing Center. Blatt's been playing small ball which isn't in Love's interest on defense. He's great for spreading the floor and he's pretty good at getting buckets in the paint/offensive rebounds. He just isn't a defensive anchor. Love would feel a lot more comfortable if he's playing along side a rim protector. He's too small to control the paint. Plus it's only his second game without Varejao there to back him up. Cavs obviously need to make some kind of move though

[Ariza4three]

They went from down 4 to being up by 9 at one point. That's a huge difference, and it was all because of defense.

You have to admit it's pretty rare to see an all star get benched for the entire fourth quarter without any health reasons.

Everyone will come in this thread and troll and try to make it about "LeBron's help" but you have to admit that this is pretty unusual to see
The "comeback" had nothing to do with defense. The Cavs just started getting a bunch of freethrows while the Magic had to deal with shit like this:
http://giant.gfycat.com/MajesticPaleHoatzin.gif

The Cavs opponents shoot less freethrows than any opponent in the league, yet their defense is terrible. Hmmm.

[Lebron23]

I don't see the point of Love on this team. Trade him for a 3+d wing guy and a athletic big man who plays great defense and rebounds. That makes a lot more sense to me. Love is a terrific offensive player but Cavs need defense, and the role that Love has on this team could be filled by lesser players.


They can just sign Andray Blatche at the end of the CBA Season.

http://www.fiba.com/basketballworldcup/2014/Andray-Maurice-BLATCHE

[Budadiiii]

LeBron hacked Victor and didn't get called for that foul?

:facepalm

He did the same thing in game 2 of the 2012 finals. Ridiculous how babied he is.

[J Shuttlesworth]

The "comeback" had nothing to do with defense. The Cavs just started getting a bunch of freethrows while the Magic had to deal with shit like this:
http://giant.gfycat.com/MajesticPaleHoatzin.gif

The Cavs opponents shoot less freethrows than any opponent in the league, yet their defense is terrible. Hmmm.
Tacky calls or not, the Magic weren't getting to the paint as easily as they were in the first 3 quarters. Also, Love was still in the game during the time of that gif. Most of the calls you were complaining about were before the 4th

[RRR3]

I don't think Love is needed if Kyrie is there. Better to have someone like Ibaka even.

[J Shuttlesworth]

LeBron hacked Victor and didn't get called for that foul?

:facepalm

He did the same thing in game 2 of the 2012 finals. Ridiculous how babied he is.
Almost at the level of Durant. OKC = most babied team in the league

[Budadiiii]

Almost at the level of Durant. OKC = most babied team in the league
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GBZ7G7ULXE&list=UULvVvfGpJMWOuIvXFzgMWbg

[J Shuttlesworth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GBZ7G7ULXE&list=UULvVvfGpJMWOuIvXFzgMWbg
:wtf: :roll:

[Euroleague]

He's been the most overrated player in the NBA for years.

[TheMan]

With Verajao out, this Cavs FC makes the 2010-2014 Heat FC look like the '86 Celtics FC by comparison.

[Ariza4three]

Tacky calls or not, the Magic weren't getting to the paint as easily as they were in the first 3 quarters. Also, Love was still in the game during the time of that gif. Most of the calls you were complaining about were before the 4th
There were multiple calls during the 4th too. It was slanted tonight. I'm not sure why you're unable to admit that.

[J Shuttlesworth]

There were multiple calls during the 4th too. It was slanted tonight. I'm not sure why you're unable to admit that.
I admitted several times in the game thread that the Magic didn't get a lot of calls. But I'm not sure why you're trying to deny that Kevin Love's defense wasn't a huge difference maker

[oh the horror]

And so it begins.


Love is first.



Next they'll be talking about how much of a scrub Kyrie is.

[J Shuttlesworth]

And so it begins.


Love is first.



Next they'll be talking about how much of a scrub Kyrie is.
:wtf: It was Blatt's conscious decision

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LeBron turning all-stars into role players yet again. LOL wtf

[Lebron23]

LeBron turning all-stars into role players yet again. LOL wtf


He's been so inconsistent lately. Gorgui Dieng should have been included in this deal. Wiggins and Bennett, and multiple picks for Love and Dieng.

[RoseCity07]

He's an all offense player. He can't play defense at all. Bad instinct, doesn't have quick hands, and slow feet.

I don't think he has a good wingspan either. I've never seen him block a shot in the paint.

[navy]

He's an all offense player. He can't play defense at all. Bad instinct, doesn't have quick hands, and slow feet.

I don't think he has a good wingspan either. I've never seen him block a shot in the paint.
Dude literally has no defensive attributes. Doesn't matter if he tries.

Cavs need shot blocker to pair with him.

[RoseCity07]

Dude literally has no defensive attributes. Doesn't matter if he tries.

Cavs need shot blocker to pair with him.

Even if they get that Love is a liability. So is Irving but at least he's quick. He can get in the passing lanes and cause problems.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Dude literally has no defensive attributes. Doesn't matter if he tries.

Cavs need shot blocker to pair with him.
Exactly. I think anyone saying to trade love is massively overreacting. Love/Irving/James can easily take care of the offense. Love is still putting up better numbers than Bosh was in the big 3. If you have a defensive center in the line up, then there are 4 guys in the line up who can defend (assuming LeBron is putting in some damn effort)

[J Shuttlesworth]

Even if they get that Love is a liability. So is Irving but at least he's quick. He can get in the passing lanes and cause problems.
Irving has shown a lot of improvement on defense this year. Same with Waiters

[navy]

Even if they get that Love is a liability. So is Irving but at least he's quick. He can get in the passing lanes and cause problems.
Irving can learn at least. Plus defending point guards has become a team job with how good they are these days.

Love does nothing defensively and has no tools to work with.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He's been so inconsistent lately. Gorgui Dieng should have been included in this deal. Wiggins and Bennett, and multiple picks for Love and Dieng.
Agreed, but that's beside the point. Dude should be incorporated into this offense more. Kyrie and Bron monopolize all the possessions for this Cav team.

Love simply isn't getting enough touches in areas on the floor where he exceeds (pinch post).

[STATUTORY]

dat lebron touch, turns gold into shit since 2003

can't wait for Love to come back to cali and this character assassination to stsop

[Kvnzhangyay]

Agreed, but that's beside the point. Dude should be incorporated into this offense more. Kyrie and Bron monopolize all the possessions for this Cav team.

Love simply isn't getting enough touches in areas on the floor where he exceeds (pinch post).

its not about offense, cavs dont need offense

its about defense, cavs need defense

[bdreason]

We've known Love isn't a paint protector for a long time.


This falls on the GM, for not pairing a jump shooting PF with a defensive Center. Even before Varajao went down, it was obvious the Cavs didn't have the defensive pieces. Now they don't have the defense, or the rebounding. :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

its not about offense, cavs dont need offense

its about defense, cavs need defense

He looks like sh!t on both ends.. :oldlol: They're not winning jack w/ him playing like a souped-up role player.

[RoseCity07]

Irving has shown a lot of improvement on defense this year. Same with Waiters

I haven't seen it. I've only seen a game but in that game Lillard absolutely destroyed him. It might have been an off game but he looked lazy. He doesn't figure over screens. John Wall being the standard he looks pretty bad.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Agreed, but that's beside the point. Dude should be incorporated into this offense more. Kyrie and Bron monopolize all the possessions for this Cav team.

Love simply isn't getting enough touches in areas on the floor where he exceeds (pinch post).
That's simply not true. The Cavs go to Love in the post pretty often.
Just a comparison of last year vs. this year:

2P attempts:
2014- 64.5%
2015 - 62.8%

% of FGA 0-3 feet from the basket
2014 - 25%
2015 - 22%

% FGA 3-10 feet from basket:
2014 - 16.7%
2015 - 19.8%

% of FGA from 3 PT:
2014 - 35.5%
2015 - 37.5%

So he's taking a little less from 0-3 feet, but more from 3-10 feet, and slightly more from 3PT line. His offensive style is essentially the same, but he only gets about 13 shots a game vs. 18. I do agree that I'd like to see them go to him more offensively, but he has a good balance of inside and outside looks

[Trollsmasher]

That's why a 3rd option like Ibaka is better than 3rd option Love, even though Love is a better player and better 1st or 2nd option.

Bosh could at least defend in some situations pretty well.

[Human Error]

He's been the most overrated player in the NBA for years.
He has been overrated but not the most. Kobe, Carmelo and then Love.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Those stats would be better suited with a tally for possessions inside the post. Simply quoting numbers like these only tells us what his 2PT percentages are from the floor, which include jumpers and/or bailout shots.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Those stats would be better suited with a tally for possessions inside the post. Simply quoting numbers like these only tells us what his 2PT percentages are from the floor, which include jumpers and/or bailout shots.
Just going off eye test stuff, there are stretches where Blatt's game plan is to go to Love in the post. He does it often after timeouts too.

[Lebron23]

He's still averaging 17 ppg, and 10.3 rpg this season. Cavs needs a rim protector that's why I think they are going to trade Waiters, or gamble on signing Blatche before the official submission of the playoffs lineup.

[bluechox2]

loves gone after this year

[Dr.J4ever]

Love has surely been a disappointment.

To me, the Cavs are showing everyday how overrated he is. People who love stats were fooled into believing his Wolves stats would translate anywhere. These are the same people who believe stats are a be all, end all, and are absolute numbers that are unchangeable.

I've been arguing with people about "empty stats" since last year that stats are a function of opportunity, team structure, as well as skill.

[nba_55]

He's still averaging 17 ppg, and 10.3 rpg this season. Cavs needs a rim protector that's why I think they are going to trade Waiters, or gamble on signing Blatche before the official submission of the playoffs lineup.
That guy is NOT a rim protector.

[AirFederer]

Monday can protect their rim from Kobe!

Oh sorry, wrong thread.

[Milbuck]

Kevin Love for Larry Sanders. Who says no?

[nba_55]

Kevin Love for Larry Sanders. Who says no?
:facepalm big NO from Cavs

[navy]

Kevin Love for Larry Sanders. Who says no?
Bucks tryna miss the playoffs?

[Milbuck]

:facepalm big NO from Cavs
We'll throw in Johnny O'Bryant.
Bucks tryna miss the playoffs?Jabari injury changed everything my man. Gotta tank while we still can, and Kobe's a pipe dream.

[nba_55]

We'll throw in Johnny O'Bryant.

Bucks say NO if that's the case.

[SwishSquared]

Kevin Love for Larry Sanders. Who says no?
Would require more from MIL honestly. I'm sure the Cavs will eye trading for Sanders in the offseason though, presumably to pair alongside Love.

Going into this year, I knew Love wouldn't shine defensively. I did think he'd at least try more due to having to expend less energy on offense. I haven't watched a ton of Cavs games, but when I do, I don't see him play angles or move into position defensively. Maybe I just catch him on off-nights, but his effort on D just seemingly isn't there. Maybe due to a lack of touches, so he's not as motivated to play solid team D. Cavs should have worked out something to get a rim protector during that Love trade (even if it meant getting additional teams involved).

He's still sorting out his role and how to play with this group of guys (and should figure it out by the playoffs), but I definitely underestimated the difficulty he'd have fitting in.

[navy]

We'll throw in Johnny O'Bryant.Jabari injury changed everything my man. Gotta tank while we still can, and Kobe's a pipe dream.
On the real though, what's the long term goal for Sanders?

[BasedTom]

Of course ISH hates Kevin Love. The same reason why David Lee gets hated on. He's a successful, talented, charismatic white man doing what he loves for a living.

But that's too much for some people. You'd rather get your basketball fix from Jeremy Lamb and Anthony "Empty Stats" Davis. That's okay, but don't act as if you're posting without an agenda.

[Budadiiii]

Of course ISH hates Kevin Love. The same reason why David Lee gets hated on. He's a successful, talented, charismatic white man doing what he loves for a living.

But that's too much for some people. You'd rather get your basketball fix from Jeremy Lamb and Anthony "Empty Stats" Davis. That's okay, but don't act as if you're posting without an agenda.
:biggums:

[navy]

Of course ISH hates Kevin Love. The same reason why David Lee gets hated on. He's a successful, talented, charismatic white man doing what he loves for a living.

But that's too much for some people. You'd rather get your basketball fix from Jeremy Lamb and Anthony "Empty Stats" Davis. That's okay, but don't act as if you're posting without an agenda.
No white text. :biggums:

[Milbuck]

Would require more from MIL honestly. I'm sure the Cavs will eye trading for Sanders in the offseason though, presumably to pair alongside Love.

Going into this year, I knew Love wouldn't shine defensively. I did think he'd at least try more due to having to expend less energy on offense. I haven't watched a ton of Cavs games, but when I do, I don't see him play angles or move into position defensively. Maybe I just catch him on off-nights, but his effort on D just seemingly isn't there. Maybe due to a lack of touches, so he's not as motivated to play solid team D. Cavs should have worked out something to get a rim protector during that Love trade (even if it meant getting additional teams involved).

He's still sorting out his role and how to play with this group of guys (and should figure it out by the playoffs), but I definitely underestimated the difficulty he'd have fitting in.
:oldlol: I was joking dude. No way could the Bucks realistically acquire Kevin Love.

I agree with the rest of your post, Love is just a garbage defender in every sense. His effort, IQ, and natural defensive awareness/instincts are already shitty, and he has literally none of the tools to compensate for it. Undersize height-wise, relatively short wingspan for his position, not super unathletic but nothing special, slow feet, etc. He's got literally nothing you need to be an impactful defender. And it sucks because underneath those defensive problems lies an incredibly valuable offensive skill-set that completely outweighs the defense...and it's just not being utilized correctly. Because of the personnel, the coaching, whatever. His defensive problems are being highlighted like crazy, but his offense is being pushed to the side and what we're left with is a shell of an all-star.

Part of it is his own fault..you can always put more effort, study tape and get a better feel for that end of the floor, overcome some of the physical disadvantages..but I think a lot of it is the Cavs front office as well. I'm not super aware of their situation or the Cavs' situation the past few months, but I'm sure there was something they could've done to prevent the situation they're in. They had to have known Love's weaknesses going in, and that at some point or another Varejao would've went down at least for some period of time, and that putting their hopes of paint protection in him was a terrible idea.

They still have hope though, but it's gonna take some creativity. It's not like they're totally devoid of trade pieces..who knows. The Bucks may not give up Sanders or Henson, but there's plenty of other possibilities out there.
On the real though, what's the long term goal for Sanders?
No clue, we're gonna have to wait and see. He's a criminally underrated teammate, he really is an impact defender, and in short the team loves him and he seems to like being here. But if the right opportunity comes along I wouldn't be surprised if we traded him. I'm not entirely sure at this point, the Jabari injury really did change things. With him out I want to blow it up and tank but idk..we're still a playoff team in the East and not bad enough to tank. I think Sanders is sticking around.

[BasedTom]

:biggums:
Use your head here. What do the two have in common?

[Budadiiii]

Use your head here. What do the two have in common?
Ugly light skinned dudes?

Jeremy is cute. :facepalm

[nba_55]

Ugly light skinned dudes?

Jeremy is cute. :facepalm
:biggums:

[BasedTom]

Ugly light skinned dudes?

Jeremy is cute. :facepalm
No, you freaking spaz. They're both players that have a ton of hype surrounding them, but ultimately have yet to prove that they can be a major part of a team that is playing winning, postseason basketball.

It's RIDICULOUS that people have had Davis penciled in as the MVP since October despite him not winning jack shit. OK, I know he's in the West, but how many gamewinners has he made? How many times have you watched New Orleans and thought "Shit, the Brow is about to go beast in the clutch?" People talk about Lamb being a big part of the Thunder's depth when watching him makes me wonder how this guy isn't playing in the D-league. Reggie Jackson has shown more- and when it matters most- with infinitely less hype.


You want to talk MVP? How about Westbrook, Wall, Harden just off the top of my head. You want to talk about great depth? Look at Chicago. Not just this year, but ever since they had Korver and Asik beasting with little fanfare.

[Budadiiii]

No, you freaking spaz. They're both players that have a ton of hype surrounding them, but ultimately have yet to prove that they can be a major part of a team that is playing winning, postseason basketball.

It's RIDICULOUS that people have had Davis penciled in as the MVP since October despite him not winning jack shit. OK, I know he's in the West, but how many gamewinners has he made? How many times have you watched New Orleans and thought "Shit, the Brow is about to go beast in the clutch?" People talk about Lamb being a big part of the Thunder's depth when watching him makes me wonder how this guy isn't playing in the D-league. Reggie Jackson has shown more- and when it matters most- with infinitely less hype.


You want to talk MVP? How about Westbrook, Wall, Harden just off the top of my head. You want to talk about great depth? Look at Chicago. Not just this year, but ever since they had Korver and Asik beasting with little fanfare.
You're delusional buddy, no one is hyping Jeremy Lamb. Hard to take you serious but I know you're one of the dumbest, most distorted individuals on here at times. You say retarded shit but it's not trolling, just you being a dumbass.

[BasedTom]

You're delusional buddy, no one is hyping Jeremy Lamb. Hard to take you serious but I know you're one of the dumbest, most distorted individuals on here at times. You say retarded shit but it's not trolling, just you being a dumbass.
Put your inexplicable lust for the man aside for a moment and try to analyze the product on the court. Do you not remember the Harden trade and how OKC fans defended it? Do you not remember how Lamb was drafted early, evidentally far too early for a work-in-progress? Would you not say that he has so far completely failed to meet the hype, and later the void left by Harden?

Maybe it's the system holding certain players down so others can shine, injuries, maybe it's the small market blue-collar good-guy image of the team that leads people to at times loosen their criticism of OKC's play, ...But quite frankly, the team has not been much of a serious threat. And barring a meteoric rise from their star players in the playoffs, it's just never going to happen. The depth is nonexistant, the coaching sucks, the intensity doesn't seem to be there.

Lamb is a bust. And you know it.

[Budadiiii]

Put your inexplicable lust for the man aside for a moment and try to analyze the product on the court. Do you not remember the Harden trade and how OKC fans defended it? Do you not remember how Lamb was drafted early, evidentally far too early for a work-in-progress? Would you not say that he has so far completely failed to meet the hype, and later the void left by Harden?

Maybe it's the system holding certain players down so others can shine, injuries, maybe it's the small market blue-collar good-guy image of the team that leads people to at times loosen their criticism of OKC's play, ...But quite frankly, the team has not been much of a serious threat. And barring a meteoric rise from their star players in the playoffs, it's just never going to happen. The depth is nonexistant, the coaching sucks, the intensity doesn't seem to be there.

Lamb is a bust. And you know it.

Of course ISH hates Kevin Love. The same reason why David Lee gets hated on. He's a successful, talented, charismatic white man doing what he loves for a living.

But that's too much for some people. You'd rather get your basketball fix from Jeremy Lamb and Anthony "Empty Stats" Davis. That's okay, but don't act as if you're posting without an agenda.
:facepalm

[BasedTom]

:facepalm
You can quote posts and click on emoticons. Congratulations. Must feel great being the first one in the trailer park to achieve this feat.

[JohnFreeman]

Love for Chandler and Mcgee

[Budadiiii]

You can quote posts and click on emoticons. Congratulations. Must feel great being the first one in the trailer park to achieve this feat.
Does anything you say ever make sense?

Davis is a better player than Love and nobody is hyping Jeremy Lamb. What were you trying to accomplish here you ****ing retard? :facepalm

[BasedTom]

Does anything you say ever make sense?

Davis is a better player than Love and nobody is hyping Jeremy Lamb. What were you trying to accomplish here you ****ing retard? :facepalm
Who is going to be leading a playoff team in a few months and who is going to be putting up big but ultimately meaningless stats for the forseeable future? Did Love ever get MVP consideration when he was putting up similar big numbers to no avail? Of course not. It would have been insulting to NBA fan's intelligence. So why is Davis being crowned so early? Apparently, that's not a legitimate question to ask.

And keep trying to cover up for Presti's ****up like you've been doing for years. "We don't need Harden, these young guys are going to provide more than streaky 1 guy ever could" "Harden is a guy better coming off the bench" "he sucked ass in the finals, we robbed houston"


Are you really this much of a fvcking mong? Are Lamb and the OKC front office sending you checks in the mail to spew your bullshit?

[JohnFreeman]

Who is going to be leading a playoff team in a few months and who is going to be putting up big but ultimately meaningless stats for the forseeable future? Did Love ever get MVP consideration when he was putting up similar big numbers to no avail? Of course not. It would have been insulting to NBA fan's intelligence. So why is Davis being crowned so early? Apparently, that's not a legitimate question to ask.

And keep trying to cover up for Presti's ****up like you've been doing for years. "We don't need Harden, these young guys are going to provide more than streaky 1 guy ever could" "Harden is a guy better coming off the bench" "he sucked ass in the finals, we robbed houston"


Are you really this much of a fvcking mong? Are Lamb and the OKC front office sending you checks in the mail to spew your bullshit?
Damn. Fudge crying.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Who is going to be leading a playoff team in a few months and who is going to be putting up big but ultimately meaningless stats for the forseeable future? Did Love ever get MVP consideration when he was putting up similar big numbers to no avail? Of course not. It would have been insulting to NBA fan's intelligence. So why is Davis being crowned so early? Apparently, that's not a legitimate question to ask.

And keep trying to cover up for Presti's ****up like you've been doing for years. "We don't need Harden, these young guys are going to provide more than streaky 1 guy ever could" "Harden is a guy better coming off the bench" "he sucked ass in the finals, we robbed houston"


Are you really this much of a fvcking mong? Are Lamb and the OKC front office sending you checks in the mail to spew your bullshit?
dude come on man. You're talking to a 15 year old kid with a high pitched voice. Take it easy on the guy

[Budadiiii]

Who is going to be leading a playoff team in a few months and who is going to be putting up big but ultimately meaningless stats for the forseeable future? Did Love ever get MVP consideration when he was putting up similar big numbers to no avail? Of course not. It would have been insulting to NBA fan's intelligence. So why is Davis being crowned so early? Apparently, that's not a legitimate question to ask.

And keep trying to cover up for Presti's ****up like you've been doing for years. "We don't need Harden, these young guys are going to provide more than streaky 1 guy ever could" "Harden is a guy better coming off the bench" "he sucked ass in the finals, we robbed houston"


Are you really this much of a fvcking mong? Are Lamb and the OKC front office sending you checks in the mail to spew your bullshit?
Now you're just flat out trolling.

Davis is a much better player than Love, that's obvious. Second, I've never defended the Harden trade, but Adams is looking pretty damn solid. Lamb isn't important at all to what we do, and there's no hype surrounding him. None.

[Budadiiii]

dude come on man. You're talking to a 15 year old kid with a high pitched voice. Take it easy on the guy
Did you miss the part where he said Love will be leading the Cavs?

So you agree with him?

[BasedTom]

Did you miss the part where he said Love will be leading the Cavs?

So you agree with him?
A team can only have 1 leader? That's an interesting theory.

So tell me, who is OKC's 1 leader?

[Budadiiii]

A team can only have 1 leader? That's an interesting theory.

So tell me, who is OKC's 1 leader?
Why did you pick that post to reply to? I was talking to another poster. You completely went off track. We were talking about how Davis is a better player than Love. And how you're making shit up about me defending the Harden trade. Blatant trolling.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Did you miss the part where he said Love will be leading the Cavs?

So you agree with him?
I'm assuming he means the big 3 are leading the Cavs, which is true

[BasedTom]

Why did you pick that post to reply to? I was talking to another poster. You completely went off track. We were talking about how Davis is a better player than Love. And how you're making shit up about me defending the Harden trade. Blatant trolling.
You haven't explained how Davis has proven that he's the better player beyond "Well he's obviously better!" What the **** kind of argument is that? Shit, I thought I was going easy on you.

It's completely unsatisfying and uninspiring discussing this with you (a description that I'm sure has hit close to home). How is Anthony Davis a MVP frontrunner? How is what he doing right now in anyway more impactful than the Kevin Love we saw less than 2 years ago in Minnesota?

"He's just better" and "well, he's a cute lightskin nikka" are not acceptable answers...

[JohnFreeman]

You haven't explained how Davis has proven that he's the better player beyond "Well he's obviously better!" What the **** kind of argument is that? Shit, I thought I was going easy on you.

It's completely unsatisfying and uninspiring discussing this with you (a description that I'm sure has hit close to home). How is Anthony Davis a MVP frontrunner? How is what he doing right now in anyway more impactful than the Kevin Love we saw less than 2 years ago in Minnesota?

"He's just better" and "well, he's a cute lightskin nikka" are not acceptable answers...
Damn

[Budadiiii]

You haven't explained how Davis has proven that he's the better player beyond "Well he's obviously better!" What the **** kind of argument is that? Shit, I thought I was going easy on you.

It's completely unsatisfying and uninspiring discussing this with you (a description that I'm sure has hit close to home). How is Anthony Davis a MVP frontrunner? How is what he doing right now in anyway more impactful than the Kevin Love we saw less than 2 years ago in Minnesota?

"He's just better" and "well, he's a cute lightskin nikka" are not acceptable answers...
He led a team to a national championship as a freshman in college. Completely different player, much more athletic, much better defender.

And your original point was that the reason Love gets hate is because he's white. In reality, he's getting hate from LeBron stans and idiots that just want to chime in on whats popular.

Davis gets love because he's 21 years old and already better than LeBron.

And you still haven't explained why Love is better than Davis, because you don't have an argument. Just trolling for attention.

[BasedTom]

He led a team to a national championship as a freshman in college. Completely different player, much more athletic, much better defender.

And your original point was that the reason Love gets hate is because he's white. In reality, he's getting hate from LeBron stans and idiots that just want to chime in on whats popular.

Davis gets love because he's 21 years old and already better than LeBron.

And you still haven't explained why Love is better than Davis, because you don't have an argument. Just trolling for attention.
You're bringing up college...There's so many variables and differences between both leagues that it's staggering. You know who else was a stud in college? Michael Beasley. It really is hit or miss with a lot of these guys , and anyone who has been following the NBA for an extended period of time can attest to that.

Trolling for attention? I'm not sure if you have windows or a functioning clock in your little hole, but these are the dead hours for most of the civilized world. I'm also not the one claiming that Davis is better than Lebron. Or the one getting wet over 2 ugly as sin mother****ers who just happen to be talented enough to play in the NBA.

at least lebron had the courtesy to choke games away in the playoffs, not before the ASG

[Budadiiii]

You're bringing up college...There's so many variables and differences between both leagues that it's staggering. You know who else was a stud in college? Michael Beasley. It really is hit or miss with a lot of these guys , and anyone who has been following the NBA for an extended period of time can attest to that.

Trolling for attention? I'm not sure if you have windows or a functioning clock in your little hole, but these are the dead hours for most of the civilized world. I'm also not the one claiming that Davis is better than Lebron. Or the one getting wet over 2 ugly as sin mother****ers who just happen to be talented enough to play in the NBA.

at least lebron had the courtesy to choke games away in the playoffs, not before the ASG
You're bringing up..... nothing.

This all stems from you making a stupid post about how Kevin Love gets hate because he's white and successful. And then you wrongfully lumping Davis and Lamb together like they have something in common, but don't. And the rest of the thread is you trying to argue everything but your original point.

****ing idiot.

[BasedTom]

You're bringing up..... nothing.

This all stems from you making a stupid post about how Kevin Love gets hate because he's white and successful. And then you wrongfully lumping Davis and Lamb together like they have something in common, but don't. And the rest of the thread is you trying to argue everything but your original point.

****ing idiot.
I'm merely pointing out that it's unfair for Kevin Love to be among the most maligned players in the league despite playing not only productive, appealing, and successful basketball- but for at times doing comparable things on the court that people are collectively jizzing themselves for whenever Davis does it. David Lee at least has a bad contract to explain some of the frustration people might have toward him.

At no point in this thread have I claimed that Kevin Love is or will always be a better player than Davis. You're making shit up in typical form. I'm saying that it's an absolute joke that Davis is being rated as a MVP contender when there are multiple guys on teams that might actually win the title that are more deserving.

[Budadiiii]

I'm merely pointing out that it's unfair for Kevin Love to be among the most maligned players in the league despite playing not only productive, appealing, and successful basketball- but for at times doing comparable things on the court that people are collectively jizzing themselves for whenever Davis does it. David Lee at least has a bad contract to explain some of the frustration people might have toward him.

At no point in this thread have I claimed that Kevin Love is or will always be a better player than Davis. You're making shit up in typical form. I'm saying that it's an absolute joke that Davis is being rated as a MVP contender when there are multiple guys on teams that might actually win the title that are more deserving.
His team is above 500 in the west with a terrible roster. He's putting up the best numbers in the league. Playing D. Looked really intense vs. the Spurs, like a true monster.

He's not KD, but he's a beast. Much better than Love. What a retarded dumbass you are though. Got nothing else to say to you except get better and come up with better material. Shit tier trolling but you caught feelings and broke character. ****ing moron.

[BasedTom]

His team is above 500 in the west with a terrible roster. He's putting up the best numbers in the league. Playing D. Looked really intense vs. the Spurs, like a true monster.

He's not KD, but he's a beast. Much better than Love. What a retarded dumbass you are though. Got nothing else to say to you except get better and come up with better material. Shit tier trolling but you caught feelings and broke character. ****ing moron.
Well we haven't seen him get bailed out by his teammates + Tony Brothers in the playoffs yet. And he actually scores most of his points from the field and not at the stripe, so you may be on to something.

My shit tier trolling apparently has you typing up essays at 6 in the morning. I'm sitting here at the airport and you're pissing yourself in excitement because I "broke character." This is a basketball message board and yet you and your alts use it as your little roleplaying fix.

It's right ****ing hilarious what a pathetic mentally braindead piece of shit you are

[JohnFreeman]

Well we haven't seen him get bailed out by his teammates + Tony Brothers in the playoffs yet. And he actually scores most of his points from the field and not at the stripe, so you may be on to something.

My shit tier trolling apparently has you typing up essays at 6 in the morning. I'm sitting here at the airport and you're pissing yourself in excitement because I "broke character." This is a basketball message board and yet you and your alts use it as your little roleplaying fix.

It's right ****ing hilarious what a pathetic mentally braindead piece of shit you are
Rat poison

[Nash]

He's crap on D but as soon as they get a defensive big they should ALWAYS play him Love on the floor. Just don't involve him in any small ball.

[Bandito]

Lebrontards throwing their star pf under the bus yet again :lol

[Straight_Ballin]

"love sucks"

- You traded him for wiggins. Deal with it.

[DukeDelonte13]

matchups.


Also want to point out that TT has been very good defensively for the Cavs.

[Pointguard]

Love is the one missing the center more than anybody. Tristan can't pass like AV so its much harder to get the passing game contagious. Love might be confused for a few games and selfish play is going to be easier in the mean time.

[VeeCee15]

The problem with love is that he is a pylon on defense..a non-threat to block shots.

He is slow as molasses and nonathletic as they come. It's almost like 4 on 5 when the cavs are on defense.