In the last two weeks

[UK2K]

James Harden has averaged

32.3 PPG
8.5 APG
6.6 RPG

MVP! MVP! MVP!

Someone do a BR search and find out the last time someone has led the league in scoring and averaged over 7 assists per game.

[SugarHill]

He looked excellent last night.

[L.Kizzle]

James Harden has averaged

32.3 PPG
8.5 APG
6.6 RPG

MVP! MVP! MVP!

Someone do a BR search and find out the last time someone has led the league in scoring and averaged over 7 assists per game.
Guessing probably T-Mac and/or LeBron.

[TiagoSimoes]

Lebron 2007/2008

30ppg 7.2apg



goatbrook is averaging 28.6 ppg and 7.2 apg btw

[YouGotServed]

James Harden has a legit chance at winning DOPY.

MVP and DOPY? Who's done it since Olajuwon?

[TiagoSimoes]

Guessing probably T-Mac and/or LeBron.

both seasons tmac hit 7 apg he didnt led the league in scoring

[TylerOO]

Season ends today he is the MVP. Hate it or love it

[StephHamann]

James Harden has a legit chance at winning DOPY.

MVP and DOPY? Who's done it since Olajuwon?

He will also win ROTY MIP and 6MOTY

GOAT

:bowdown:

[Graviton]

Last 10 games...


Westbrook

31.6 points, 7.7 assists, 5.7 rebounds, 2.5 steals, 46% FG in 34 minutes, 7-3 record.

Harden

31 points, 8 assists, 6.5 rebounds, 2 steals, 45% FG in 39 minutes, 7-3 record.


Pretty insane how both of them were on the same team along with the actual MVP Kevin Durant, who can put up these same kinda stats himself. I wonder if OKC was the only team in NBA history to have 3 MVP caliber type talents playing at the same time. :bowdown:

[SugarHill]

Last 10 games...


Westbrook

31.6 points, 7.7 assists, 5.7 rebounds, 2.5 steals, 46% FG in 34 minutes, 7-3 record.

Harden

31 points, 8 assists, 6.5 rebounds, 2 steals, 45% FG in 39 minutes, 7-3 record.


Pretty insane how both of them were on the same team along with the actual MVP Kevin Durant, who can put up these same kinda stats himself. I wonder if OKC was the only team in NBA history to have 3 MVP caliber type talents playing at the same time. :bowdown:

They drafted 3 MVP level players in succession :bowdown:

[aj1987]

Dwyane Wade.

[StephHamann]

Pretty insane how both of them were on the same team along with the actual MVP Kevin Durant, who can put up these same kinda stats himself. I wonder if OKC was the only team in NBA history to have 3 MVP caliber type talents playing at the same time. :bowdown:

Pretty insane to trade Harden for Adams and Lamb :roll:

[red1]

Last 10 games...


Westbrook

31.6 points, 7.7 assists, 5.7 rebounds, 2.5 steals, 46% FG in 34 minutes, 7-3 record.

Harden

31 points, 8 assists, 6.5 rebounds, 2 steals, 45% FG in 39 minutes, 7-3 record.


Pretty insane how both of them were on the same team along with the actual MVP Kevin Durant, who can put up these same kinda stats himself. I wonder if OKC was the only team in NBA history to have 3 MVP caliber type talents playing at the same time. :bowdown:
It really is

[Harison]

James Harden has a legit chance at winning DOPY.

MVP and DOPY? Who's done it since Olajuwon?

Lay off drugs, they are bad for you :no:

[UK2K]

Lebron 2007/2008

30ppg 7.2apg



goatbrook is averaging 28.6 ppg and 7.2 apg btw
Usage rate

Harden 31.7%
Westbrook 41.3%

[SugarHill]

Pretty insane to trade Harden for Adams and Lamb :roll:
OKC fans said they won the trade tho :banana:

[UK2K]

They drafted 3 MVP level players in succession :bowdown:
That's pretty amazing in itself.

[L.Kizzle]

Last 10 games...


Westbrook

31.6 points, 7.7 assists, 5.7 rebounds, 2.5 steals, 46% FG in 34 minutes, 7-3 record.

Harden

31 points, 8 assists, 6.5 rebounds, 2 steals, 45% FG in 39 minutes, 7-3 record.


Pretty insane how both of them were on the same team along with the actual MVP Kevin Durant, who can put up these same kinda stats himself. I wonder if OKC was the only team in NBA history to have 3 MVP caliber type talents playing at the same time. :bowdown:
Too many to name

Lakers with Baylor, West and Wilt
Knicks with Reed, Frazier Monroe
Sixers with Doc, Moses and Chuck
Bird, McHale, Parish

[TiagoSimoes]

Usage rate

Harden 31.7%
Westbrook 41.3%

harden plays 6 more minutes

Westbrook's defense >>>> Harden's

0.469 > 0.426

[ArbitraryWater]

James Harden has averaged

32.3 PPG
8.5 APG
6.6 RPG

MVP! MVP! MVP!

Someone do a BR search and find out the last time someone has led the league in scoring and averaged over 7 assists per game.


LeBron THIS YEAR is 2nd in PPG and 0.1 assists behind 5th in APG.

He might end Nr.1 in PPG, and 5th in APG.

[ArbitraryWater]

Too many to name

Lakers with Baylor, West and Wilt
Knicks with Reed, Frazier Monroe
Sixers with Doc, Moses and Chuck
Bird, McHale, Parish

Parish wasn't MVP caliber, neither were Doc and Moses at the time with Chuck :wtf:

And Monroe wasn't MVP caliber either.

[UK2K]

harden plays 6 more minutes, plus Westbrook's defense >>>> Harden's

So Westbrook plays 6 minutes less, but his usage rate is 10% higher...

Harden - 1.8 spg, 1.0 bpg, 99 DRtg
Westbrook - 2.2 spg, 0.1 bpg, 100 DRtg

This isn't last season.

[L.Kizzle]

Parish wasn't MVP caliber, neither were Doc and Moses at the time with Chuck :wtf:

And Monroe wasn't MVP caliber either.
Neither was 6th man Harden when he played in OKC. I'm just playing the game.

[ArbitraryWater]

Neither was 6th man Harden when he played in OKC. I'm just playing the game.

Nah.. Harden, 3 years later (now) is an MVP candidate... All 3 players are in their prime, and OKC could have that right now.

[UK2K]

Neither was 6th man Harden when he played in OKC. I'm just playing the game.
Wonder what they could have done with Brook, Harden, and Durant at the 1, 2, and 3.

What might have been. Dynasty.

[TiagoSimoes]

So Westbrook plays 6 minutes less, but his usage rate is 10% higher...

Harden - 1.8 spg, 1.0 bpg, 99 DRtg
Westbrook - 2.2 spg, 0.1 bpg, 100 DRtg

This isn't last season.


so we are using DRtg and steals/blocks to rate a players defense? lol

harden is still average at best

[Graviton]

Anyone remember this quote from Lebron couple years ago?

[Duggrr]

Despite being my least favorite player in the league, he'd probably be my front runner as of now.

[TylerOO]

[QUOTE=Graviton]Anyone remember this quote from Lebron couple years ago?

[rezznor]

Pretty insane how both of them were on the same team along with the actual MVP Kevin Durant, who can put up these same kinda stats himself. I wonder if OKC was the only team in NBA history to have 3 MVP caliber type talents playing at the same time. :bowdown:


reminds me of the potential hakeem/drexler/jordan team that could have been if the rockets would have traded sampson

[L.Kizzle]

Nah.. Harden, 3 years later (now) is an MVP candidate... All 3 players are in their prime, and OKC could have that right now.
Okay, I see.

Also Earl Monroe was MVP caliber. He just let Frazier and Reed run the show. Evidence was shown once he started putting up big numbers (20 ppg seasons again) as those Knicks teams dwindled down with the retirements of Reed, Lucas, DeBusschere and the trading of Frazier to the Cavs,

And so was Parish, he just sacrificed. Parish has higher MVP shares than McHale, by the way. While both peaked at 4th in MVP voting, Parish has another top ten entry which McHale doesn't. Parish also has three more top 15 entries and McHale two top 20s.

[UK2K]

so we are using DRtg and steals/blocks to rate a players defense? lol

harden is still average at best
What would you use?

Their steals are identical, Harden is crushing him in blocks, and their DRtg is identical.

What makes you think Westbrook's D >>>>>>>>Harden?

A YouTube video?

[L.Kizzle]

Wonder what they could have done with Brook, Harden, and Durant at the 1, 2, and 3.

What might have been. Dynasty.
Three perimeter players would not work, history tells us that. And three players who's games are very similar at that.

Would have basically been a better version of Run-TMC. And they almost one, with James not yet a focal point. Are more prominent role for James takes away from KD and Westbrook.

If Westbrook was more or a pass first type point/but still can get his a-la Isiah Thomes and Harden more of a Sidney Moncrief/Joe Dumars SG to go along with Durant, than they wouldn't lose a game.

[atljonesbro]

What would you use?

Their steals are identical, Harden is crushing him in blocks, and their DRtg is identical.

What makes you think Westbrook's D >>>>>>>>Harden?

A YouTube video?
Because this forum often mistakes emotion for good defense.

[TiagoSimoes]

What would you use?

Their steals are identical, Harden is crushing him in blocks, and their DRtg is identical.

What makes you think Westbrook's D >>>>>>>>Harden?

A YouTube video?

steals and blocks are deceiving and dont make a good defender.

Dtrg is flawed when comparing players, and it needs context to be used.

i have actually watched westbrook and harden play for the last 4/5 years ALOT, and i can confortably say harden(while a improved) is still an average defender at best. westbrook still gambles a bit too much for my liking, but he is a top 10 defending guard imo


eye test>>> boxscores especially when ur talking about defense

[Dresta]

James Harden has averaged

32.3 PPG
8.5 APG
6.6 RPG

MVP! MVP! MVP!

Someone do a BR search and find out the last time someone has led the league in scoring and averaged over 7 assists per game.
Wade in 08/09: 30.1 ppg, 7.5apg

[salwan]

Stupid cheap OKC owners :facepalm

I know they still have a great team, but if I was an OKC fan, I would be so mad :oldlol:

[Dro]

I gotta give it to Harden. I criticized him before too but every game I watch, he's killing it. He was using Tayshaun Prince last night and playing defense. Even blocking shots. He's scoring and keeping his teammates involved.......

[UK2K]

steals and blocks are deceiving and dont make a good defender.

Dtrg is flawed when comparing players, and it needs context to be used.

i have actually watched westbrook and harden play for the last 4/5 years ALOT, and i can confortably say harden(while a improved) is still an average defender at best. westbrook still gambles a bit too much for my liking, but he is a top 10 defending guard imo


eye test>>> boxscores especially when ur talking about defense

Then you watched Harden smash the game winning layup last night back down the shooters throat.

Well, MY eye test says Harden has been an elite defender this season. If youve watched him play this season, you wouldn't be calling him average.

[SpecialQue]

Always knew he was an idiot.

[navy]

Then you watched Harden smash the game winning layup last night back down the shooters throat.

Well, MY eye test says Harden has been an elite defender this season. If youve watched him play this season, you wouldn't be calling him average.
This. Let's just hope he doesnt go ghost for the fourth straight year in the playoffs. Dude is playing great MVP basketball.

[All Net]

He has a 3rd option now to boot hey..

[Smook A.]

Aside from Harden's rough shooting start to the season, he's been amazing and has taken his game to a whole new level. Racking up points and also grabbing rebounds, getting blocks & steals, and getting his teammates involved. Total complete player this year. He's also been mega clutch. IMO, Harden is the top candidate for the MVP award

[YouGotServed]

Then you watched Harden smash the game winning layup last night back down the shooters throat.

Well, MY eye test says Harden has been an elite defender this season. If youve watched him play this season, you wouldn't be calling him average.

This. Anyone who says Harden isn't a good defender is talking out of his ass. Harden has been outstanding defensively. He constantly blocks and alters shots. He legitimately has a case for All Defensive 1st team this year. i don't think he will continue to play at such a high level defensively. He'll probably regress to slightly above average, but as of now...he's definitely playing elite defense.

[navy]

This. Anyone who says Harden isn't a good defender is talking out of his ass. Harden has been outstanding defensively. He constantly blocks and alters shots. He legitimately has a case for All Defensive 1st team this year. i don't think he will continue to play at such a high level defensively. He'll probably regress to slightly above average, but as of now...he's definitely playing elite defense.
Jimmy Butler.

[imdaman99]

What would you use?

Their steals are identical, Harden is crushing him in blocks, and their DRtg is identical.

What makes you think Westbrook's D >>>>>>>>Harden?

A YouTube video?
Come on man, be serious. Westbrook is arguably the best PG in the league and PG is the most stacked position. That just means he has to cover a very good point guard at LEAST every other game. And in the West, 9 out of 10 teams have top level point guards. Meanwhile the SG position is pretty weak. Who is his competition? Kobe is hurt, Klay is an up and comer. Ellis? Westbrook is not a lazy defender. I saw a play against the Knicks where Harden stopped at halfcourt on defense, literally stopped when he could have played defense on a fast break. Ever heard of eye test?

[Dragonyeuw]

Wonder what they could have done with Brook, Harden, and Durant at the 1, 2, and 3.

What might have been. Dynasty.

Wouldn't have worked long term. There aren't enough shots for Durant and westbrook as is, now throw a prime harden into the mix?

[Frozen1]

Yeah, that

[Papaya Petee]

[QUOTE=Frozen1]Yeah, that

[All Net]

What I want to is how did harden learn to defend?

[SHAQisGOAT]

Gotta say I wasn't expecting him to be playing like this, looking at team record also.

Wanna see what happens come Playoffs time though.

[Dro]

What I want to is how did harden learn to defend?
Playing defense is mostly about effort..He's just giving more effort on defense now.......