Remember when Lebron was considered a great Leader?

[HOoopCityJones]

Glad that myth has been put to bed. Guess we knew who was the real leader of The Heat. Well, I guess some of us always knew.

[beastee]

He is a great player, no doubt. But if you look at the numbers of players he has played with either before or after he is around bron and what they are with him it is obvious this is an ESPN fabrication to make his legend bigger. He is a great facilitator, but that doesn't mean he makes his teammates better and leads them on. 2/5. Enough said

[ArbitraryWater]

OP desperately trying to force this "LeBron is a bad leader" and make it a consensus.. wont happen, bud :lol

Digging the effort, though.

[HOoopCityJones]

It's crazy but there's no way you can consider this one of the all time great leaders like he's been portrayed the last few years. This guy's attitude once shit doesn't go his way is astounding. Give me hero ball from Kobe anyday over this shit.

[HOoopCityJones]

OP desperately trying to force this "LeBron is a bad leader" and make it a consensus.. wont happen, bud :lol

Digging the effort, though.

I don't have to try anything shitstain.

Even the casual NBA fan can see he sets a bad example if every single call or bounce doesn't go his way.

[Budadiiii]

LeBron is an atrocious leader. Well known fact to people who understand leadership.

[gilalizard]

No.

[beastee]

It's crazy but there's no way you can consider this one of the all time great leaders like he's been portrayed the last few years. This guy's attitude once shit doesn't go his way is astounding. Give me hero ball from Kobe anyday over this shit.
Your Kobe agenda hurts this legitimate conversation. Kobe hero ball is pretty selfish and has not been successful without a great player like Shaq or PAU there to pick up the pieces and help their team win. Back to lebron. Dude gives up and its very frustrating to see him do that numerous times. Coddled stars these days...

[HOoopCityJones]

Your Kobe agenda hurts this legitimate conversation. Kobe hero ball is pretty selfish and has not been successful without a great player like Shaq or PAU there to pick up the pieces and help their team win. Back to lebron. Dude gives up and its very frustrating to see him do that numerous times. Coddled stars these days...

I admitted a personal preference. I prefer the attitude of a Kobe, Westbrook, even Wade. I'm not whoring my opinion.

You can take it however you want, but it leads to results.

This type of shit LBJ does leads to 10' vs Boston and 11' Finals.

[dannywpt]

Idk about his leadership qualities, but I find it so funny that he's now voluntarily back with a mediocre Cavs team just like before 2010.

Only this time he acts like an entitled, lazy, whiny and ego-centrical "leader" instead of a hungry, talented beta who in the end took the easy way out by colluding with his opposition :yaohappy:

[Real14]

2007? :confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

2007? :confusedshrug:

Historically weak Conference , even by today's standards.

[sportjames23]

OP desperately trying to force this "LeBron is a bad leader" and make it a consensus.. wont happen, bud :lol

Digging the effort, though.


HOoop is right doe.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I remember hearing that back when he was in high school but not after they choked the championship game

[tpols]

Lebrons never been a leader.. He needed Wade for that.

Between last year's finals and the beginning of this year saying their opening game is one of the greatest sporting spectacle of all time.. It's just cringe worthy. He has no humility or genuine care for being on a tight knit team who prides itself on any type of identity. Everything's a show for his own legacy masked with padded FG and assist totals to front like he's unselfish.

[Real14]

Historically weak Conference , even by today's standards.
Yea you do have a point with that:lol that niguh really never been a great leader then:oldlol:

[gts]

Remember when Lebron was considered a great Leader?

No, no I don't... oh wait you mean when he was teaching the guys to dance and clown around before the game? yeah I remember that

[HOoopCityJones]

Yea you do have a point with that:lol that niguh really never been a great leader then:oldlol:

Their biggest opposition back then was the Wizards right?

[HOoopCityJones]

Remember when Lebron was considered a great Leader?

No, no I don't... oh wait you mean when he was teaching the guys to dance and clown around before the game? yeah I remember that

:lol

[Real14]

Their biggest opposition back then was the Wizards right?
Yea and the aging broke down pistons.

[pauk]

Yes, im sure his or anybodies leadership can make:

1. Love play DPOY interior type of D.
2. Return Irving & Varejao from injury.
3. Give talent, size & skill to the "other guys", the scrubs, which is 90% of the team.

[Legends66NBA7]

What are the descriptions he needs to be considered a great leader ?

[Real14]

Yes, im sure his or anybodies leadership can make:

1. Love play DPOY interior type of D

Say what??:biggums: ...............:roll:

[Droid101]

Yes, im sure his or anybodies leadership can make:

1. Love play DPOY interior type of D.
2. Return Irving & Varejao from injury.
3. Give talent, size & skill to the "other guys", the scrubs, which is 90% of the team.
Ah, pauk finally joined the lebron family's idiotic "his teammates suck!" narrative.

You are a piece of trash on par with your hero.

[HOoopCityJones]

Yes, im sure his or anybodies leadership can make:

1. Love play DPOY interior type of D.
2. Return Irving & Varejao from injury.
3. Give talent, size & skill to the "other guys", the scrubs, which is 90% of the team.

You're right , it can't change any of those things. But leaders should first and foremost lead by example , so throwing fits and going on disappearing acts wont cut it. When your best player's body language is the Worst on the court , it's a problem. Especially if you're criticizing teammates for effort on D and Hustle plays.

[tpols]

What are the descriptions he needs to be considered a great leader ?

Well, if you compare him to his likeness, magic and bird you can see a few things.

Magic- genuine charisma and vocal ability.. 'features' players, hits them in their comfort zones to get confidence rolling on all fronts, as opposed to holding the ball for too long and only hitting guys in a few rigid places based on your own comfort zone.

Bird- extreme humility, hard work 90% walk 10% talk after the fact.. As opposed to being the chosen one, dancing/clowning, making dumb preemptive predictions and statements and generally giving off a vibe that you're better than everybody else.

[Heavincent]

Lebrons never been a leader.. He needed Wade for that.

Between last year's finals and the beginning of this year saying their opening game is one of the greatest sporting spectacle of all time.. It's just cringe worthy. He has no humility or genuine care for being on a tight knit team who prides itself on any type of identity. Everything's a show for his own legacy masked with padded FG and assist totals to front like he's unselfish.

This.

Assist totals =/= selfless team play

Bran is just as selfish as Kobe or Jordan...just in a different way. It's not even a bad thing really, but don't give me that "selfless teammate" shit. It's ****ing nauseating.

[Heavincent]

1. Love play DPOY interior type of D.


Hey now, you're the one who called Love the 2nd best player in the league when he was on the Wolves. But now he plays with Bran, so of course he's suddenly a scrub.

[pauk]

Ah, pauk finally joined the lebron family's idiotic "his teammates suck!" narrative.

You are a piece of trash on par with your hero.

This is more correct here:

"Ah, Droid101 finally joined the kobe family's idiotic "his teammates does not suck! does never suck & has never sucked!" narrative.

You are a piece of trash on par with your hero."


Look Kobetard, i know you are mad at Lebron, mad as a Kobetard, mad at the Lebron trolls here, butthurt, crazy and all that.... but its not my fault, that i like Lebrons game shouldnt make you that angry, what does that matter when i am objective.... see, here for example, all i know & see is that 90% of the players that can play & "help" Lebron right now...

Dellavedova
AJ Price
B.Haywood
T.Thompson
L.Amundson
D.Waiters
S.Marion
J.Jones
Joe Harris

....is probably overall the worst supporting cast Lebron ever had to play with.

That "Lebrons teammates suck", in this case this team....

2010 - 2nd worst record in the NBA.
2011 - one of the worst records in the NBA.
2012 - one of the worst records in the NBA.
2013 - one of the worst records in the NBA.

....is unfortunately not that farfetched of a statement, we knew they "sucked" since Lebron left and just before Lebron returned....... thats the exact team Lebron is in....

[nba_55]

2012-2013 he was a great leader when he lead his team to back2back championships.

[Real14]

2012-2013 he was a great leader when he lead his team to back2back championships.
:roll: :roll:

[nba_55]

Lebrons never been a leader.. He needed Wade for that.

Between last year's finals and the beginning of this year saying their opening game is one of the greatest sporting spectacle of all time.. It's just cringe worthy. He has no humility or genuine care for being on a tight knit team who prides itself on any type of identity. Everything's a show for his own legacy masked with padded FG and assist totals to front like he's unselfish.

If Wade is such a great leader, why is team struggling so much in a weak EC?




yeah that's what i thought dumbass

[nba_55]

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[BuffaloBill]

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[SouBeachTalents]

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[nba_55]

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[Heavincent]

This is more correct here:

"Ah, Droid101 finally joined the kobe family's idiotic "his teammates does not suck! does never suck & has never sucked!" narrative.

You are a piece of trash on par with your hero."


Look Kobetard, i know you are mad at Lebron, mad as a Kobetard, mad at the Lebron trolls here, butthurt, crazy and all that.... but its not my fault, that i like Lebrons game shouldnt make you that angry, what does that matter when i am objective.... see, here for example, all i know & see is that 90% of the players that can play & "help" Lebron right now...

Dellavedova
AJ Price
B.Haywood
T.Thompson
L.Amundson
D.Waiters
S.Marion
J.Jones
Joe Harris

....is probably overall the worst supporting cast Lebron ever had to play with.

That "Lebrons teammates suck", in this case this team....

2010 - 2nd worst record in the NBA.
2011 - one of the worst records in the NBA.
2012 - one of the worst records in the NBA.
2013 - one of the worst records in the NBA.

....is unfortunately not that farfetched of a statement, we knew they "sucked" since Lebron left and just before Lebron returned....... thats the exact team Lebron is in....

Yes, this is the worst team Bran has ever had to play with if you disregard the two all stars.

[Beastmode88]

didnt he say to follow his lead in game 5 last summer? :confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

Bron Family losing their marbles. :biggums:

[nba_55]

Bron Family losing their marbles. :biggums:

This is no Lebron family, we are here to show you how dumb you are, and we succeed! :applause: :applause: :applause:

nice you next time dumbboy!

[Real14]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll: x 7

[HOoopCityJones]

This is no Lebron family, we are here to show you how dumb you are, and we succeed! :applause: :applause: :applause:

nice you next time dumbboy!

:lol

[nba_55]

:roll: x 7

Is that the number of wins you predict the Knicks to have at the end of the season?

[Real14]

Bron Family losing their marbles. :biggums:
Yea definitely they just mad at the FACTS that we laying down on them about their queen:oldlol:

[HOoopCityJones]

didnt he say to follow his lead in game 5 last summer? :confusedshrug:

:roll:

[Real14]

Is that the number of wins you predict the Knicks to have at the end of the season?
Corny and salty man. This shit is about your baby stiffington not being a great leader. Admit that he's not a great leader and never will be man:oldlol:

[nba_55]

Corny and salty man. This shit is about your sir stiffington not being a great leader. Admit that he's not and never will be man:oldlol:

What facts did you use to prove your point again? Bring them on please.

[red1]

it is true that he is a bit of a pouty douche but you are kidding yourself if you don't think he is a good leader

[HOoopCityJones]

it is true that he is a bit of a pouty douche but you are kidding yourself if you don't think he is a good leader


We'll see how much I'm kidding at the end of this season when he leaves Cleveland again after Love walks.

[red1]

We'll see how much I'm kidding at the end of this season when he leaves Cleveland again after Love walks.
I know where you are coming from OP so I will gladly remind you that your hero is leading his team to a loss at home this very moment :oldlol:

[Real14]

What facts did you use to prove your point again? Bring them on please.

Look back a few pages. There's facts on every page:facepalm. Why do you care about that niguh so much anyway?? :wtf: You are looking for a new team right???:biggums:

[SpecialQue]

it is true that he is a bit of a pouty douche

Agreed. Lebron's an embarrassment to the league. Can't believe he's got the media sucking his dick 24/7. He must have made some Faustian deal to get this kind of treatment. Fvcking scumbag.

[HOoopCityJones]

I know where you are coming from OP so I will gladly remind you that your hero is leading his team to a loss at home this very moment :oldlol:

We suck. :confusedshrug:

At least our fans know it. :lol

[red1]

Agreed. Lebron's an embarrassment to the league. Can't believe he's got the media sucking his dick 24/7. He must have made some Faustian deal to get this kind of treatment. Fvcking scumbag.
And we haven't even gotten to the flopping and the hairline yet. 0.5/10 disgusting human being

[nba_55]

Look back a few pages. There's facts on every page:facepalm. Why do you about that niguh so much anyway?? :wtf: You are looking for a new team right???:biggums:

I see no facts, i see retarded posters saying shit coming out of nowhere, i want facts like you said. An example of fact is Lebron leading his team in every big category during 2012 post-season, another example is Knicks 5-28. Those things you used are not FACTS. Stay salty !

bye!

[retaxis]

Leaders lead by example and fierceness. LeBron is a clown like Dwight. Kobe is no better tho he was just lucky to be drafted by LA and road a true leader like Shaq. Big time leaders like Shaq and wade and mj are frontline warriors who lead by example. LeBron and Kobe and Dwight clown around and not play D or act entitled to the rest of their team mates...psshhh.

[HOoopCityJones]

Leaders lead by example and fierceness. LeBron is a clown like Dwight. Kobe is no better tho he was just lucky to be drafted by LA and road a true leader like Shaq. Big time leaders like Shaq and wade and mj are frontline warriors who lead by example. LeBron and Kobe and Dwight clown around and not play D or act entitled to the rest of their team mates...psshhh.

Kobe lead his Team to three straight Finals. :confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

He's a better leader than Kobe. LMAO at a meaningless regular season game.

[kNicKz]

Leaders lead by example and fierceness. LeBron is a clown like Dwight. Kobe is no better tho he was just lucky to be drafted by LA and road a true leader like Shaq. Big time leaders like Shaq and wade and mj are frontline warriors who lead by example. LeBron and Kobe and Dwight clown around and not play D or act entitled to the rest of their team mates...psshhh.

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[guy]

Definitely not great. Was only a great leader in 2012. He had the win streak in 2013, but regular season doesn't really mean much. In the playoffs he wasn't that great, having no business going 7 with the pacers and playing pretty soft for much of the finals.

With that said, no active players other then Duncan I'd say is a great leader anyway.

[Lebron23]

Definitely not great. Was only a great leader in 2012. He had the win streak in 2013, but regular season doesn't really mean much. In the playoffs he wasn't that great, having no business going 7 with the pacers and playing pretty soft for much of the finals.

With that said, no active players other then Duncan I'd say is a great leader anyway.

Popovich is the leader of the spurs. Put a 21 yrs.old Lebron and 21 yrs.old Anthony Davis with the Spurs in 1997 to the current era. They still would win multiple NBA titles. Duncan played under coach Brown in the 2k4 Olympics, and they failed to win the Gold Medal.

[sportjames23]

I remember hearing that back when he was in high school but not after they choked the championship game

Bron's team lost the HS championship?

Damn, he's been used to losing forever. He's lucky he colluded with Wade and Bosh. :oldlol:

[miggyme1]

i think lebron is an above average leader but he has never been in this situation..having to be a leader of younger guys. when lebron was with the cavs pre-heat he was always one of the younger dudes on the team so he basically lead by his play on the court and he had veterans like shaquille and antawn jamison etc lead off the court...on the cavs 2009-2010 roster there were 10 guys older than lebron on that team...fast forward to this years cavs and lebron is the 7th oldest on the team and 3 of them who are older than him are nba journeymen at best.( amundson,haywood,james jones)

[T_L_P]

Popovich is the leader of the spurs. Put a 21 yrs.old Lebron and 21 yrs.old Anthony Davis with the Spurs in 1997 to the current era. They still would win multiple NBA titles. Duncan played under coach Brown in the 2k4 Olympics, and they failed to win the Gold Medal.

Yes, because there can only be one leader on a team. :facepalm

I guess Robinson wasn't a leader in 99, it was just Avery, correct? I'd like an answer on that one if at all possible.

[Rose'sACL]

Definitely not great. Was only a great leader in 2012. He had the win streak in 2013, but regular season doesn't really mean much. In the playoffs he wasn't that great, having no business going 7 with the pacers and playing pretty soft for much of the finals.

With that said, no active players other then Duncan I'd say is a great leader anyway.
jesus....wtf is wrong with this forum? whenever someone wins a ring, he is a great leader otherwise he is shit. Just say that instead of going around in circles saying stupid BS again and again.
From reasons i have read here, LeBron is not a great leader and same goes for jordan and kobe. So the only good leader in nba has been duncan and may be bird and dirk. that is it. So please decide on your signs of a good leader and then come back.

[Rose'sACL]

Yes, because there can only be one leader on a team. :facepalm

I guess Robinson wasn't a leader in 99, it was just Avery, correct? I'd like an answer on that one if at all possible.
i don't care about the other poster but that bronze was on duncan and other veterans plus coaching.

[T_L_P]

i don't care about the other poster but that bronze was on duncan and other veterans plus coaching.

Eh, I know Duncan underperformed, but just watch the game against Argentina to see how horrible the officiating against him was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV3xGflsz2o

Edited: 8:05 for Duncan's first (he goes out of his way to avoid hitting Manu)
21:30
44:50

Two fouls where Tim did literally nothing. Then there was another one later (I'll find it on the video) where Tim got called for a moving screen, even though I'm pretty sure they were allowed in Fiba. And then Iverson should have picked up a foul for handchecking but it went against Duncan for some reason (again, I'll find it).

Tim was too passive but also the players didn't know how to feed him the ball (he played good in the Argentina game but he he was getting the ball roughly once every eight possession; plus Iverson and Marbury did what they do best. That team was poorly constructed, Brown fell in love with RJEFF even though he sucked, and players like Kobe, Shaq and Garnett were either too scared of terrorists to go play or were too tired after getting out of the first round for the first time in his career. Duncan was being constantly triple teamed so at that point its up to the other plays, and most of them failed. :confusedshrug:

Sorry for the rant. I know you didn't exclusively blame Duncan, and this thread isn't really the right place for this. :oldlol:

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On topic: LeBron is a pretty good leader overall, I'd say.

[T_L_P]

Feeble attempt to discredit Manu Ginobili and his Argentina squad. 2 50/50 calls that go Argentina's way = awful officiating.. :rolleyes: USA got outplayed and outperformed thoroughly thanks to Tim Duncan's lack of leadership and soft play. **** outta here with your nonsense.


This.

So, go ahead and break down those plays...and point out the fouls.

If 4 of the players' 6 fouls are highly questionable (not 50/50 calls), there is a clear problem, especially when things like that Marbury and-1 (you'll know exactly what play I'm talking about since you watched the games) goes uncalled.

If you can do that, then there is some merit to what you say.

[HOoopCityJones]

Duncan is a shitty leader without Pop. Just as much as Kobe is shitty without Phil.

[sportjames23]

Duncan is a shitty leader without Pop. Just as much as Kobe is shitty without Phil.


InB4MJisashittyleaderwithoutPippenandPhil.