Kobe was never the best player in the league

[rlsmooth775]

Lebron has been better than Kobe since 2005 all stats support me and you can't use the defense excuse. Advance stats show Kobe was a mediocre defender for the last 10 years of his career.

[outbreak]

On a scale of 1-10 how sore is your butt?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Arguable in 2001, and 2003 with peak Duncan / prime Shaq.
Definitive in 2006.
Arguable in 2007.
Best in 2008, with peak CP3 / prime LeBron having arguments.
Arguable in 2009, and 2010 with peak Wade / near peak LeBron.

[Magic 32]

Lebron has been better than Kobe since 2005 all stats support me

Stats?

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Kobe+Bryant+Pau+Gasol+Los+Angeles+Lakers+Media+jcI XX6K5Khrl.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

Stats?

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Kobe+Bryant+Pau+Gasol+Los+Angeles+Lakers+Media+jcI XX6K5Khrl.jpg

Bill russell and sam jones are goat by that logic Kobe has inferior stats to Lebron and was a worse defender advance stats support that

[rlsmooth775]

Arguable in 2001, and 2003 with peak Duncan / prime Shaq.
Definitive in 2006.
Arguable in 2007.
Best in 2008, with peak CP3 / prime LeBron having arguments.
Arguable in 2009, and 2010 with peak Wade / near peak LeBron.

How was kobe better than Lebron in 06 07 08 when Lebron had better all around stats and kobe had no case on defense he had no impact on that side of the floor

[Magic 32]

Bill russell and sam jones are goat by that logic Kobe has inferior stats to Lebron and was a worse defender advance stats support that

http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/kobe-bryant-five-championships.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/kobe-bryant-five-championships.jpg

It doesn't matter Kobe won most of those championships as a sidekick to shaq and his performance in 2009 and 2010 wasn't spectacular he was able to win with with horrible shooting performances. Only finals mvp to never shoot 50%

[Magic 32]

It doesn't matter Kobe won most of those championships as a sidekick to shaq and his performance in 2009 and 2010 wasn't spectacular he was able to win with with horrible shooting performances. Only finals mvp to never shoot 50%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1996/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1998/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1997/

4 misses away.

[rlsmooth775]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1996/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1998/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1997/

4 misses away.

Kobe is the only one though

[ArbitraryWater]

Arguable in 2001, and 2003 with peak Duncan / prime Shaq.
Definitive in 2006.
Arguable in 2007.
Best in 2008, with peak CP3 / prime LeBron having arguments.
Arguable in 2009, and 2010 with peak Wade / near peak LeBron.

2001 and 2003 isn't arguable at all.

But he was the best in 2008, for sure.

[rlsmooth775]

2001 and 2003 isn't arguable at all.

But he was the best in 2008, for sure.

not when Lebron had him beat in every stat and played better defense

[SamuraiSWISH]

2001 and 2003 isn't arguable at all.

But he was the best in 2008, for sure.
You disagree with the rest too?

[Done_And_Done]

How many times are you dudes gunna recycle the same old, played out threads?

Soft...

[Magic 32]

Kobe is the only one though

Congratulation.

You care about 1.3 missed shots per game in a series, I care about rings.

[Myth]

Arguable in 2001, and 2003 with peak Duncan / prime Shaq.
Definitive in 2006.
Arguable in 2007.
Best in 2008, with peak CP3 / prime LeBron having arguments.
Arguable in 2009, and 2010 with peak Wade / near peak LeBron.

:biggums: He does not have a case in 2001 or 2003.

His strongest arguments are 2006-08.

[rlsmooth775]

Congratulation.

You care about 1.3 missed shots per game in a series, I care about rings.

I care about rings to but not the sidekick ones

[NBASTATMAN]

BS... Kobe was def the best player during 2006-2008

[SamuraiSWISH]

He does not have a case in 2001 or 2003
Acting like he couldn't be in the conversation those years is revisionist history. Those aren't his strongest seasons argument wise due to the competition he was facing. He was definitely top five, arguable top three player no doubt.

[rlsmooth775]

BS... Kobe was def the best player during 2006-2008

No he wasn't prove it he wasn't the best statistically and he had no impact on defense

[Genaro]

Kobe was the best 06-09. Mods could close this troll thread.

[rlsmooth775]

Kobe was the best 06-09. Mods could close this troll thread.

he wasn't though stats prove it

[ArbitraryWater]

You disagree with the rest too?

Nahh... you can have the "arguable" in 2009/2010, lol.

But he definitely does NOT have a case in 2001 or 2003.

[NBASTATMAN]

No he wasn't prove it he wasn't the best statistically and he had no impact on defense


Who else could you say was better? Nash was more valuable but not an over all better player. Lebron was still not there either..

[rlsmooth775]

Who else could you say was better? Nash was more valuable but not an over all better player. Lebron was still not there either..

No Lebron was clearly a better player in 06-08 i have numbers backing me up also he was having more impact on defense than kobe Kobe was only considred a good defender those years off reputation

[Magic 32]

No Lebron was clearly a better player in 06-08 i have numbers backing me up also he was having more impact on defense than kobe Kobe was only considred a good defender those years off reputation

Make your case for 2007-08 then.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e9/e9a2295b3db9b45c8f5484a09033c1c71cf88e3375bb7ff604 56bc81c29a4e04.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

Make your case for 2007-08 then.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e9/e9a2295b3db9b45c8f5484a09033c1c71cf88e3375bb7ff604 56bc81c29a4e04.jpg

case for what

[Magic 32]

case for what

That Lebron was better.

[miles berg]

LeBron and Dirk were both better 2006-08

[rlsmooth775]

That Lebron was better.

I already said why in the post before yours. Better stats and was a better defender that season. Kobe wasn't even better than chris paul that season

[Fudge]

Smile for me, OP.

http://img.ehowcdn.com/615x200/ehow/images/a01/vn/e7/get-assisted-living-down-syndrome-800x800.jpg

[Magic 32]

I already said why in the post before yours. Better stats and was a better defender that season.

Not better defense. Kobe played his best defense since 99-00. It was elite and it was consistent.

And you also have to ignore 12 more regular season wins.

A weaker conference.

A weaker performance against the NBA champions (Lebron's first 4 games may be the worst 4-game shooting performance in NBA playoff history).

And all of this with a consistent lineup that was better than Kobe's in the first half of the season.

But hey, Lebron had slighly better stats. Makes all the difference for the 2K generation.

[rlsmooth775]

Not better defense. Kobe played his best defense since 99-00. It was elite and it was consistent.

And you also have to ignore 12 more regular season wins.

A weaker conference.

A weaker performance against the NBA champions (Lebron's first 4 games may be the worst 4-game shooting performance in NBA playoff history).

And all of this with a consistent lineup that was better than Kobe's in the first half of the season.

But hey, Lebron had slighly better stats. Makes all the difference for the 2K generation.

I have numbers backing up me up the lakers winning more with kobe having inferior production to Lebron doesn't make him better. Also Lebron actually played better than kobe against the celtics even with the horrible start. Also Lebron was way better on defense Kobe has been a negative on defense for years

[Ca$H]

Bill russell and sam jones are goat by that logic Kobe has inferior stats to Lebron and was a worse defender advance stats support that

I have some pertinent follow up questions. Do you wear skinny jeans? Do you think being gay is cool? Are you Asian?

[Magic 32]

I have numbers backing up me up the lakers winning more with kobe having inferior production

Show them. 2008 specifically.



Also Lebron actually played better than kobe against the celtics even with the horrible start.

Lebron shot 35.5% from the field and averaged 5.3 turnovers per game. Kobe only had to breathe to be better.

Can you imagine if Lebron's teammates had not extended the series to game 7? Lebron would have had the worst series statline in NBA history.




Also Lebron was way better on defense Kobe has been a negative on defense for years

Show the stats. 2008 specifically.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lebron never made all defensive teams until 2009..

[Droid101]

Deep thoughts by the OP:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TVinbbXKlAw/UnrJw2tVVTI/AAAAAAAAAPc/37FkNOTqsL8/s1600/pondering-retard.jpg

[Fudge]

Deep thoughts by the OP:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TVinbbXKlAw/UnrJw2tVVTI/AAAAAAAAAPc/37FkNOTqsL8/s1600/pondering-retard.jpg
:roll:

[rlsmooth775]

Lebron never made all defensive teams until 2009..

Kobe was almost a negative on defense look it up Lebron was better. You can't use all defensive teams to judge defense

[rlsmooth775]

Show them. 2008 specifically.



Lebron shot 35.5% from the field and averaged 5.3 turnovers per game. Kobe only had to breathe to be better.

Can you imagine if Lebron's teammates had not extended the series to 7 games? Lebron would have had the worst series statline in NBA history.



Show the stats. 2008 specifically.

You can look up all advance data on bball reference

[Magic 32]

You can look up all advance data on bball reference

You made the thread, you provide the links.

[Ca$H]

Kobe was almost a negative on defense look it up Lebron was better. You can't use all defensive teams to judge defense

That's what advanced stats are for right buddy?

http://sitemaker.umich.edu/psy457_lamyiu/files/asian_nerd.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

You made the thread, you provide the links.

Do your own research i want you to discover how overrated kobe is on your own. Kobe has been a non factor on defense most of his career. His best defensive season came in 2000 after that he lived on reputation. Phil Jackson even said in his book kobe being on all those defensive teams is a sham.

[Magic 32]

Do your own research i want you to discover how overrated kobe is on your own.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/rdhtemt/Goofy%20Gifs/weaksauce-1.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/rdhtemt/Goofy%20Gifs/weaksauce-1.jpg

All information on kobe is on bball reference a quick google search is all you need whats the problem :confusedshrug:

[Droid101]

OP: Stupid, outrageous claim!
Replies: Show your data to back up your stupid, outrageous claim.
OP: Show your own data!

Truly, he is an intellect to be reckoned with.

[ArbitraryWater]

lol rlsmooth..

give it up.

Kobe > LeBron in 2008.

No shame.. you say "advanced stats prove it" and then dont even show them..

[rlsmooth775]

OP: Stupid, outrageous claim!
Replies: Show your data to back up your stupid, outrageous claim.
OP: Show your own data!

Truly, he is an intellect to be reckoned with.

But it's not my data its all in bball reference anyone can use google right what the problem. Kobe has been a mediocre defender look it up its all on his page

[rlsmooth775]

lol rlsmooth..

give it up.

Kobe > LeBron in 2008.

No shame.. you say "advanced stats prove it" and then dont even show them..

its all on kobes page bball reference

[ArbitraryWater]

its all on kobes page bball reference


What?

That Kobe recorded a higher PER, Win Shares, TS% than LeBron?

I guess it is.. You're just lying.

[rlsmooth775]

1996-97 -0.5
1997-98 ★ -1.5
1998-99 0.2
1999-00 ★ 1.6
2000-01 ★ -1.0
2001-02 ★ 0.0
2002-03 ★ 0.0
2003-04 ★ 0.1
2004-05 ★ -1.1
2005-06 ★ -1.5
2006-07 ★ -1.5
2007-08 ★ 0.2
2008-09 ★ -0.3
2009-10 ★ -0.1
2010-11 ★ -0.9
2011-12 ★ -1.3
2012-13 ★ -0.7
2013-14 ★ -1.2
2014-15 -2.4
Career -0.5

[rlsmooth775]

What?

That Kobe recorded a higher PER, Win Shares, TS% than LeBron?

I guess it is.. You're just lying.

Lebron led the league in PER that year man

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron led the league in PER that year man

Talking about the playoffs since Kobe absolutely dominated (3+ rounds) and LeBron had a trash series against the Celtics..

[Milbuck]

Lebron led the league in PER that year man
Current Anthony Davis is the best player in NBA history until you find me a player with a higher single season PER.

[rlsmooth775]

Current Anthony Davis is the best player in NBA history until you find me a player with a higher single season PER.

Never implied that

[rlsmooth775]

As we can all see Kobe is a mediocre defender

[Milbuck]

Never implied that
I did. Stats prove Anthony Davis is the best player in NBA history. Highest single season PER in NBA history. Find me one better.

[rlsmooth775]

I did. Stats prove Anthony Davis is the best player in NBA history. Highest single season PER in NBA history. Find me one better.

season just started

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Arbitrary backing Bean in a LeBron thread? Hell has officially frozen over. :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

season just started
And he STILL has the highest single season PER in NBA history. Higher than any Jordan, Lebron, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, etc season ever. AD is the best player of all time.

[rlsmooth775]

And he STILL has the highest single season PER in NBA history. Higher than any Jordan, Lebron, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, etc season ever. AD is the best player of all time.

ok why should i care about this

[ArbitraryWater]

Arbitrary backing Bean in a LeBron thread? Hell has officially frozen over. :oldlol:

Just calling it how I see it.

[Milbuck]

ok why should i care about this
The same reason anyone should care about your thread. Stats don't lie, friend. AD = BOAT. Bottom line.

[rlsmooth775]

The same reason anyone should care about your thread. Stats don't lie, friend. AD = GOAT. Bottom line.

No i clearly look at all around statistics

[Round Mound]

He Can`t Win Without a Dominant Frontline (Shaq, Gasol-Bynum & Odom)

[stalkerforlife]

He Can`t Win Without a Dominant Frontline (Shaq, Gasol-Bynum & Odom)

Barkley can't win...period. :lol

Dude is an epic choker.

[andgar923]

It's arguable that he was the best perimeter scorer in his era.

But never the best 'player'.

[Shih508]

BS... Kobe was def the best player during 2006-2008

you can be best player in the league with 2 first round exits? That's new to me

Tmac must be best player in early 2000s

[Artillery]

BS... Kobe was def the best player during 2006-2008

Can't be the best player in the NBA when you go 0-2 against Steve Nash in back-to-back years

[Round Mound]

Barkley can't win...period. :lol

Dude is an epic choker.

:facepalm :rolleyes:

Barkley Faced Superior Teams. Different Eras.

Rings Aside: Sir Charles Was A Way More Dominant and Efficient Player Than Kobe Ever Was.

[Droid101]

Can't be the best player in the NBA when you go 0-2 against Steve Nash in back-to-back years
I forgot that being the best player meant you also have to have good teammates.

Good to know.

[Heavincent]

He Can`t Win Without a Dominant Frontline (Shaq, Gasol-Bynum & Odom)

Jordan can't win without Pippen

Lebron can't win without 2 all star teammates

Magic and Bird can't win without stacked HOF casts

Shaq can't win without a dominant 2 guard.

etc.

Can't believe shitheads like you still use this argument.

[Droid101]

Can't believe shitheads like you still use this argument.
I have solved the mystery for you.









Also, you can go with "Barkley never won, period" for the extra zinger.

[LAZERUSS]

As great as Lebron was, and with apologies to Nash, ...from about 06-10, Kobe was generally regarded as the best player in the world.

[SpecialQue]

OP:

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/032012/1331055398_lady_takes_a_dump_in_a_supermaket.gif

[Shih508]

Jordan can't win without Pippen

Lebron can't win without 2 all star teammates

Magic and Bird can't win without stacked HOF casts

Shaq can't win without a dominant 2 guard.

etc.

Can't believe shitheads like you still use this argument.

Kobe can't win a playoff series without Shaq/Pau. All other players have won without other players you mentioned multiple times.

For 3 ****in seasons in his prime and he couldn't win shit

[Droid101]

Kobe can't win a playoff series without Shaq/Pau. All other players have won without other players you mentioned multiple times.

Nope. Not Jordan.

[chazzy]

What's concerning is OP's lack of a comma key on his keyboard.

[Milbuck]

He Can`t Win Without a Dominant Frontline (Shaq, Gasol-Bynum & Odom)
Aren't you the same dude that sucks Larry Bird's dick aggressively? You're shitting on Kobe for winning with Pau, and yet Bird winning on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history means nothing? :oldlol:

[LoneyROY7]

Aren't you the same dude that sucks Larry Bird's dick aggressively? You're shitting on Kobe for winning with Pau, and yet Bird winning on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history means nothing? :oldlol:

http://i.imgur.com/pm6KalW.gif

[PsychoBe]

these bran stans make me laugh

so bran can be considered the best player in the league in 06 when his claim to fame was winning a playoff series against the gilbert arenas wizards then being bounced by a better team, yet when kobe has to face a wcf contender and the team with the league's best record in the first round and lose, it's being held against him? :facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

these bran stans make me laugh

so bran can be considered the best player in the league in 06 when his claim to fame was winning a playoff series against the gilbert arenas wizards then being bounced by a better team, yet when kobe has to face a wcf contender and the team with the league's best record in the first round and lose, it's being held against him? :facepalm

The Suns won 54 games in '06, there were 3 other 60 win teams alone that season. LeBron's actually the one who lost to the team with the best record in the league

[PsychoBe]

The Suns won 54 games in '06, there were 3 other 60 win teams alone that season. LeBron's actually the one who lost to the team with the best record in the league

yea my bad it was the year after that the suns had the best record iirc.

either way my point stands. both lost to clearly superior teams so you can't hold it against them.

[Round Mound]

Aren't you the same dude that sucks Larry Bird's dick aggressively? You're shitting on Kobe for winning with Pau, and yet Bird winning on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history means nothing? :oldlol:

Larry Bird is my 2nd favorite player ever...so i put some videos up for you guys to see :confusedshrug:. Magic my 3rd and 1st: Sir Charles ofcourse my favorite player.

Larry Bird gets underrated here because he is white and dunking wasn`t part of his game.

Not true. Kobe is probably the most skilled player in the game in terms of watchability and in his prime just below Lebron and Duncan in terms of all around skillset.

I just said Kobe wasn`t as DOMINANT and EFFICENT as Charles was! Which is truth! period!

I also said that HE CAN`T WIN WITHOUT A DOMINANT FRONTLINE. Which is also truth! period!. (no player shooting 45% FG wins without a DOMINANT DEFENSIVE, REBOUNDING AND POST PLAY FRONTLINE).

Larry Bird rookie year: how many more games did the Celtics Win? (Without McHale, Parish or DJ) = ....

Larry`s team was stacked but so was Magic`s :confusedshrug: . Infact Magic had a former MVP and League Scoring Leader as 6thman (Bob McAdoo) But...since the Celtics wheren`t Run and Gun and The Magic Smile of Show Time Lakers...and TOO WHITE...that never comes up on Magic....:rant

I don`t rank players cause of Rings but on LEVEL OF PLAY.

[PsychoBe]

why is charles barkley your favorite player.

and where are all the karl malone stans?

[Milbuck]

Larry Bird is my 2nd favorite player ever...so i put some videos up for you guys to see :confusedshrug:. Magic my 3rd and 1st: Sir Charles ofcourse my favorite player.

Larry Bird gets underrated here because he is white and dunking wasn`t part of his game.

Not true. Kobe is probably the most skilled player in the game in terms of watchability and in his prime just below Lebron and Duncan in terms of all around skillset.

I just said Kobe wasn`t as DOMINANT and EFFICENT as Charles was! Which is truth! period!

I also said that HE CAN`T WIN WITHOUT A DOMINANT FRONTLINE. Which is also truth! period!. (no player shooting 45% FG wins without a DOMINANT DEFENSIVE, REBOUNDING AND POST PLAY FRONTLINE).

Larry Bird rookie year: how many more games did the Celtics Win? (Without McHale, Parish or DJ) = ....

Larry`s team was stacked but so was Magic`s :confusedshrug: . Infact Magic had a former MVP and League Scoring Leader as 6thman (Bob McAdoo) But...since the Celtics wheren`t Run and Gun and The Magic Smile of Show Time Lakers...and TOO WHITE...that never comes up on Magic....:rant

I don`t rank players cause of Rings but on LEVEL OF PLAY.
People don't underrate Bird, and if they do it's not because he's white and didn't have flashy dunks, unless you're talking about blatant trolls. It might have something to do with him winning, again, on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. No one is disputing that he's a top 10 player all time and a ridiculous talent at his peak, I don't know what you're talking about. If anything people aggressively defend the shit out of his legacy more than any other top 10 player outside of maybe Jordan.

And for the Barkley stuff...22 year old Kobe "dominated" in the playoffs more than Chuck ever did if you factor in both ends of the floor, which Chuck himself didn't. Dude co-destroyed an entire conference for 32/7/6/2/1 on 58% TS with elite defense, back to back series of 35/9/4/1/1 on 58% TS and 33/7/7/2/1 on 57% TS against 55 and 58 win teams with the #7 and #1 ranked defenses. And that's about a decade before his 3 straight finals runs of 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS en route to an MVP, 2 championships, 2 finals MVPs with series of 33/7/7/1 on 63% TS, 32/4/6/1/1 on 62% TS, 3 WCF of 29/6/4/2 on 59% TS, 34/6/6/1/1 on 63% TS and 34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS, finals of 32/6/7/1/1 on 53% TS, etc. Charles can go hug his rebounding title, fap to efficiency metrics, while watching footage of KG and Duncan to see how a PF is supposed to play defense.

[Droid101]

People don't underrate Bird, and if they do it's not because he's white and didn't have flashy dunks, unless you're talking about blatant trolls. It might have something to do with him winning, again, on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. No one is disputing that he's a top 10 player all time and a ridiculous talent at his peak, I don't know what you're talking about. If anything people aggressively defend the shit out of his legacy more than any other top 10 player outside of maybe Jordan.

And for the Barkley stuff...22 year old Kobe "dominated" in the playoffs more than Chuck ever did if you factor in both ends of the floor, which Chuck himself didn't. Dude co-destroyed an entire conference for 32/7/6/2/1 on 58% TS with elite defense, back to back series of 35/9/4/1/1 on 58% TS and 33/7/7/2/1 on 57% TS against 55 and 58 win teams with the #7 and #1 ranked defenses. And that's about a decade before his 3 straight finals runs of 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS en route to an MVP, 2 championships, 2 finals MVPs with series of 33/7/7/1 on 63% TS, 32/4/6/1/1 on 62% TS, 3 WCF of 29/6/4/2 on 59% TS, 34/6/6/1/1 on 63% TS and 34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS, finals of 32/6/7/1/1 on 53% TS, etc. Charles can go hug his rebounding title, fap to efficiency metrics, while watching footage of KG and Duncan to see how a PF is supposed to play defense.
#rekt

[fpliii]

Charles can go hug his rebounding title, fap to efficiency metrics, while watching footage of KG and Duncan to see how a PF is supposed to play defense.
Damn, you went in. :eek:

[Wade3]

Round Mounds anus is leaking blood right now, Milbuck just went in raw, no lube.

[Mr. Jabbar]

why isnt this thread deleted? and why didnt milbuck use any lube?

[Mr Feeny]

why isnt this thread deleted? and why didnt milbuck use any lube?

Why would it. It's a good point. Kobe was a top 5-7 player in this league from 2001-2013 but was never the best player at any point:cheers:

Still shook by 6 for 24?:roll:

[raprap]

Kobe was the best scorer in the nba in his prime but never was the best player.

[SpecialQue]

People don't underrate Bird, and if they do it's not because he's white and didn't have flashy dunks, unless you're talking about blatant trolls. It might have something to do with him winning, again, on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. No one is disputing that he's a top 10 player all time and a ridiculous talent at his peak, I don't know what you're talking about. If anything people aggressively defend the shit out of his legacy more than any other top 10 player outside of maybe Jordan.

And for the Barkley stuff...22 year old Kobe "dominated" in the playoffs more than Chuck ever did if you factor in both ends of the floor, which Chuck himself didn't. Dude co-destroyed an entire conference for 32/7/6/2/1 on 58% TS with elite defense, back to back series of 35/9/4/1/1 on 58% TS and 33/7/7/2/1 on 57% TS against 55 and 58 win teams with the #7 and #1 ranked defenses. And that's about a decade before his 3 straight finals runs of 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS en route to an MVP, 2 championships, 2 finals MVPs with series of 33/7/7/1 on 63% TS, 32/4/6/1/1 on 62% TS, 3 WCF of 29/6/4/2 on 59% TS, 34/6/6/1/1 on 63% TS and 34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS, finals of 32/6/7/1/1 on 53% TS, etc. Charles can go hug his rebounding title, fap to efficiency metrics, while watching footage of KG and Duncan to see how a PF is supposed to play defense.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/a7cb0407ac8ac87b550a941efe1e84ec/tumblr_mjy13szZXv1s7el92o1_500.gif

[Myth]

Acting like he couldn't be in the conversation those years is revisionist history. Those aren't his strongest seasons argument wise due to the competition he was facing. He was definitely top five, arguable top three player no doubt.

Arguable as top 3 is very different from arguable as #1.

[riseagainst]

is OP on a meltdown?

[Jlamb47]

Kobe was best from 06-10

[riseagainst]

People don't underrate Bird, and if they do it's not because he's white and didn't have flashy dunks, unless you're talking about blatant trolls. It might have something to do with him winning, again, on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. No one is disputing that he's a top 10 player all time and a ridiculous talent at his peak, I don't know what you're talking about. If anything people aggressively defend the shit out of his legacy more than any other top 10 player outside of maybe Jordan.

And for the Barkley stuff...22 year old Kobe "dominated" in the playoffs more than Chuck ever did if you factor in both ends of the floor, which Chuck himself didn't. Dude co-destroyed an entire conference for 32/7/6/2/1 on 58% TS with elite defense, back to back series of 35/9/4/1/1 on 58% TS and 33/7/7/2/1 on 57% TS against 55 and 58 win teams with the #7 and #1 ranked defenses. And that's about a decade before his 3 straight finals runs of 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS en route to an MVP, 2 championships, 2 finals MVPs with series of 33/7/7/1 on 63% TS, 32/4/6/1/1 on 62% TS, 3 WCF of 29/6/4/2 on 59% TS, 34/6/6/1/1 on 63% TS and 34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS, finals of 32/6/7/1/1 on 53% TS, etc. Charles can go hug his rebounding title, fap to efficiency metrics, while watching footage of KG and Duncan to see how a PF is supposed to play defense.


jesus fcking christ, first day back on ISH after a week and this dude raping the sh.t outta round mound.

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[stalkerforlife]

People don't underrate Bird, and if they do it's not because he's white and didn't have flashy dunks, unless you're talking about blatant trolls. It might have something to do with him winning, again, on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. No one is disputing that he's a top 10 player all time and a ridiculous talent at his peak, I don't know what you're talking about. If anything people aggressively defend the shit out of his legacy more than any other top 10 player outside of maybe Jordan.

And for the Barkley stuff...22 year old Kobe "dominated" in the playoffs more than Chuck ever did if you factor in both ends of the floor, which Chuck himself didn't. Dude co-destroyed an entire conference for 32/7/6/2/1 on 58% TS with elite defense, back to back series of 35/9/4/1/1 on 58% TS and 33/7/7/2/1 on 57% TS against 55 and 58 win teams with the #7 and #1 ranked defenses. And that's about a decade before his 3 straight finals runs of 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS en route to an MVP, 2 championships, 2 finals MVPs with series of 33/7/7/1 on 63% TS, 32/4/6/1/1 on 62% TS, 3 WCF of 29/6/4/2 on 59% TS, 34/6/6/1/1 on 63% TS and 34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS, finals of 32/6/7/1/1 on 53% TS, etc. Charles can go hug his rebounding title, fap to efficiency metrics, while watching footage of KG and Duncan to see how a PF is supposed to play defense.

Ether.

/thread

RoundMound needs a hiatus.

[Jlamb47]

People don't underrate Bird, and if they do it's not because he's white and didn't have flashy dunks, unless you're talking about blatant trolls. It might have something to do with him winning, again, on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. No one is disputing that he's a top 10 player all time and a ridiculous talent at his peak, I don't know what you're talking about. If anything people aggressively defend the shit out of his legacy more than any other top 10 player outside of maybe Jordan.

And for the Barkley stuff...22 year old Kobe "dominated" in the playoffs more than Chuck ever did if you factor in both ends of the floor, which Chuck himself didn't. Dude co-destroyed an entire conference for 32/7/6/2/1 on 58% TS with elite defense, back to back series of 35/9/4/1/1 on 58% TS and 33/7/7/2/1 on 57% TS against 55 and 58 win teams with the #7 and #1 ranked defenses. And that's about a decade before his 3 straight finals runs of 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS en route to an MVP, 2 championships, 2 finals MVPs with series of 33/7/7/1 on 63% TS, 32/4/6/1/1 on 62% TS, 3 WCF of 29/6/4/2 on 59% TS, 34/6/6/1/1 on 63% TS and 34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS, finals of 32/6/7/1/1 on 53% TS, etc. Charles can go hug his rebounding title, fap to efficiency metrics, while watching footage of KG and Duncan to see how a PF is supposed to play defense.


This reply should make someone retire

[GimmeThat]

besides the fact that he was bitter about it in his younger days only to be able to flash some rings about it very soon upon it in his career.

it's a pity he didn't take his peers/challengers more personally

[dynasty1978]

People don't underrate Bird, and if they do it's not because he's white and didn't have flashy dunks, unless you're talking about blatant trolls. It might have something to do with him winning, again, on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. No one is disputing that he's a top 10 player all time and a ridiculous talent at his peak, I don't know what you're talking about. If anything people aggressively defend the shit out of his legacy more than any other top 10 player outside of maybe Jordan.

And for the Barkley stuff...22 year old Kobe "dominated" in the playoffs more than Chuck ever did if you factor in both ends of the floor, which Chuck himself didn't. Dude co-destroyed an entire conference for 32/7/6/2/1 on 58% TS with elite defense, back to back series of 35/9/4/1/1 on 58% TS and 33/7/7/2/1 on 57% TS against 55 and 58 win teams with the #7 and #1 ranked defenses. And that's about a decade before his 3 straight finals runs of 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS en route to an MVP, 2 championships, 2 finals MVPs with series of 33/7/7/1 on 63% TS, 32/4/6/1/1 on 62% TS, 3 WCF of 29/6/4/2 on 59% TS, 34/6/6/1/1 on 63% TS and 34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS, finals of 32/6/7/1/1 on 53% TS, etc. Charles can go hug his rebounding title, fap to efficiency metrics, while watching footage of KG and Duncan to see how a PF is supposed to play defense.

Clear and concise.

Nicely done.

[HOoopCityJones]

People don't underrate Bird, and if they do it's not because he's white and didn't have flashy dunks, unless you're talking about blatant trolls. It might have something to do with him winning, again, on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. No one is disputing that he's a top 10 player all time and a ridiculous talent at his peak, I don't know what you're talking about. If anything people aggressively defend the shit out of his legacy more than any other top 10 player outside of maybe Jordan.

And for the Barkley stuff...22 year old Kobe "dominated" in the playoffs more than Chuck ever did if you factor in both ends of the floor, which Chuck himself didn't. Dude co-destroyed an entire conference for 32/7/6/2/1 on 58% TS with elite defense, back to back series of 35/9/4/1/1 on 58% TS and 33/7/7/2/1 on 57% TS against 55 and 58 win teams with the #7 and #1 ranked defenses. And that's about a decade before his 3 straight finals runs of 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS en route to an MVP, 2 championships, 2 finals MVPs with series of 33/7/7/1 on 63% TS, 32/4/6/1/1 on 62% TS, 3 WCF of 29/6/4/2 on 59% TS, 34/6/6/1/1 on 63% TS and 34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS, finals of 32/6/7/1/1 on 53% TS, etc. Charles can go hug his rebounding title, fap to efficiency metrics, while watching footage of KG and Duncan to see how a PF is supposed to play defense.


He's just a child Milbuck, don't do em like that. :biggums:

[StephHamann]

Aren't you the same dude that sucks Larry Bird's dick aggressively? You're shitting on Kobe for winning with Pau, and yet Bird winning on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history means nothing? :oldlol:

What if: Bran on the 86 Celtics. McHale would probably average 4 RPG and stand in the corner.

Lebron ball transformed the NBA's PF rebound leader to a corner 3 point shooter.

[triangleoffense]

Yea what Bryant did to the 00-03 spurs was nasty

/owned

Also funny that Shaq couldn't outplay Duncan who was like 80-100 lbs lighter.

[SavageMode]

OP ether'd this Kobe stan c0ck sucking forum. All I see is personal attacks on OP. While OP brought up all truths and stats.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Kobe sure as hell shitted on prime JR Rider in the late 90s NBA playoffs, and this was the late 90s jacking up air ball after air ball Kobe at that.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Arguable in 2001, and 2003 with peak Duncan / prime Shaq.
Definitive in 2006.
Arguable in 2007.
Best in 2008, with peak CP3 / prime LeBron having arguments.
Arguable in 2009, and 2010 with peak Wade / near peak LeBron.


i had no clue Lebron was in the league in 2001:facepalm

[PsychoBe]

these guys still trolling :facepalm

kobe bryant was the best player from 06'-10', with 07' being the only year that would be considered a "stretch."

[T_L_P]

Strong argument for 2001 (depending on how much weight you put into Playoff performance)

Solid argument for 2006 (Dirk had a slightly better Regular Season imo but Kobe wasn't close to him in the Playoffs)

2007's best player:

https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/2007-rapm
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2007.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2007&p1=bryanko01&p2=duncati01&y2=2007&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

2008 was Kobe imo.

Then it was LeBron.

So 2008 and maybe 2001 (though Shaq was much better than Kobe in the Regular Season).

[Kvnzhangyay]

these guys still trolling :facepalm

kobe bryant was the best player from 06'-10', with 07' being the only year that would be considered a "stretch."

'09+ is DEFINITELY lebron, the rest should be kobe though

[PsychoBe]

Strong argument for 2001 (depending on how much weight you put into Playoff performance)

Solid argument for 2006 (Dirk had a slightly better Regular Season imo but Kobe wasn't close to him in the Playoffs)

2007's best player:

https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/2007-rapm
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2007.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2007&p1=bryanko01&p2=duncati01&y2=2007&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

2008 was Kobe imo.

Then it was LeBron.

So 2008 and maybe 2001 (though Shaq was much better than Kobe in the Regular Season).

this guy :oldlol:

kobe took a team in 06' that had no business being there to the playoffs, go look up all the articles in 06' of what the coaches were saying back then. they knew they were witnessing history with his herculean scoring numbers.

i don't have a good argument for him in 07'.

08'-10' shouldn't even needed to be explained. 08' took his team to the finals, 09'-10', 2 time fmvp and 2 rings along with beating the very teams that bran could not beat despite bran having a superior record than the very teams he faced.

[Heavincent]

Was arguably the best player in the 01 playoffs. Put up 29/7/6 on 47% shooting with elite defense. Had back to back 45/10 games on the road.

I'd say he was the best player in the game from 2006 to 2010, with 07, 09, and 10 being debatable. He averaged 30/5/5 on 46% shooting in this span, while maintaining those averages in the post season against elite western competition. 3 Finals appearances, 2 FMVP's, and some of the most dominant playoff series of the decade:

- 34/6/5 50% in 08 quarterfinals

- 33/7/7 49% in 08 semifinals

- Destroyed the defending champion Spurs in the 08 WCF. Shot 53% in the series and finished them off in game 5 by leading a 20 point comeback.

- 34/6/6 48% in 09 WCF

- 32/7/6 43% in 09 Finals

- 32/5/4 52% in 10 Semifinals

34/8/7 52% in 10 WCF

Consistent dominance against brutal western competition...not to mention the nonsensical scoring streaks he went on in the mid 2000's. 4 straight 50+ point games, multiple months of averaging 40 points.

It's funny when people try to act like Kobe wasn't raping the league for the better part of a decade.

[red1]

06-08 he was #1

[ArbitraryWater]

Was arguably the best player in the 01 playoffs. Put up 29/7/6 on 47% shooting with elite defense. Had back to back 45/10 games on the road.

I'd say he was the best player in the game from 2006 to 2010, with 07, 09, and 10 being debatable. He averaged 30/5/5 on 46% shooting in this span, while maintaining those averages in the post season against elite western competition. 3 Finals appearances, 2 FMVP's, and some of the most dominant playoff series of the decade:

- 34/6/5 50% in 08 quarterfinals

- 33/7/7 49% in 08 semifinals

- Destroyed the defending champion Spurs in the 08 WCF. Shot 53% in the series and finished them off in game 5 by leading a 20 point comeback.

- 34/6/6 48% in 09 WCF

- 32/7/6 43% in 09 Finals

- 32/5/4 52% in 10 Semifinals

34/8/7 52% in 10 WCF

Consistent dominance against brutal western competition...not to mention the nonsensical scoring streaks he went on in the mid 2000's. 4 straight 50+ point games, multiple months of averaging 40 points.

It's funny when people try to act like Kobe wasn't raping the league for the better part of a decade.

I picked this post apart in the other thread and you ignored it :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10870504&postcount=88

lol at the "brutal western conference" when I compared their competition of every year and it was equal at the least. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10831006&postcount=48