Why is dominating the ball as a passer celebrated?

[konex]

Kobe dominated the ball more than any game this season last night AND he also had 9 turnovers (mostly from forcing passes)

Why is this better than dominating the ball as a scorer if you're a critic of guys dominating the ball? :confusedshrug:

IMO last night was the definition of ball-hogging.

[MP.Trey]

:applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

Dis gon be good.

[andgar923]

Kobe dominated the ball more than any game this season last night AND he also had 9 turnovers (mostly from forcing passes)

Why is this better than dominating the ball as a scorer if you're a critic of guys dominating the ball? :confusedshrug:

IMO last night was the definition of ball-hogging.
Because it usually sets up other people for shots and normally keeps the offensive system flow in tact.

I swear kobe stans don't watch basketball and just tune in for kobe.

[konex]

Because it usually sets up other people for shots and normally keeps the offensive system flow in tact.

I swear kobe stans don't watch basketball and just tune in for kobe.

Offensive flow is what the Spurs do. Kobe playing this way forces the team to shoot too many jumpers and actually hurts the game of guys like Lin who aren't spot-up shooters.

I don't like anyone (especially a non-PG) dominating the ball like this. Not Kidd, not Nash, Not Bron, Not Rondo etc. It's not natural basketball IMO and makes the team way too dependent on one guy for the offense to run...

[STATUTORY]

it's an interesting paradox, a ball dominant elite player works best when he plays with role players with little talent, he's able to maximize their output by getting them easy shots. But there's strong diminishing returns. Ball dominance doesn't work well if your teammates are actually talented in fact you will stifle their game and reduce them to spot up shooters and cutters.

[dunksby]

it's an interesting paradox, a ball dominant elite player works best when he plays with role players with little talent, he's able to maximize their output by getting them easy shots. But there's strong diminishing returns. Ball dominance doesn't work well if your teammates are actually talented in fact you will stifle their game and reduce them to spot up shooters and cutters.
How come? You can dominate the ball create a good space for an elite player to take care of the rest. Passing and play making doesn't equal slashing and kicking out passes to the perimeter. Elite basketball players are smart and can move off the ball well providing opportunities for each other and also making playmaker's job easier. Suggesting dominant elite players hinder elite teammates based on a generalization and oversimplifying of their game is just wrong.

[konex]

it's an interesting paradox, a ball dominant elite player works best when he plays with role players with little talent, he's able to maximize their output by getting them easy shots. But there's strong diminishing returns. Ball dominance doesn't work well if your teammates are actually talented in fact you will stifle their game and reduce them to spot up shooters and cutters.

The LeBron Paradox

[ImKobe]

Kobe can make plays and get a lot of assists, but it's not his game.

And let's be honest, when was the last time a ball-dominant passer won an NBA title as the team's best player, Magic Johnson? The guy that dominates the ball should also be the one shooting the ball the most, it's ridiculous that Kobe only took 11 shot attempts when he had a usage rating of 36...He could have easily dropped 30+ on Denver by taking 5-6 more shots instead of forcing the pass and turning it over that many times.

It's nice that he's trying to get his teammates involved, but other teams know it's coming and they will find a way to exploit that and it will actually hurt us more often than none.

Point is that this team isn't good enough for Kobe to be a CP3-like distributor full time...he will get 8-10 assists a game easily but the high amount of turnovers are going to kill us, especially since guys can't get back in transition..Team had 18 TOs last game, that's not acceptable to me. Kobe tried to play the same way when he first returned in 2013, he was very turnover prone. His passing game isn't THAT smooth when it comes by force, guys fumble a lot of passes, he could have easily finished with 10-15 TOs last game because some of his assists looked like guys would fumble them, but they were lucky not to give it away and they threw it up and it just went in..

[GimmeThat]

I guess that means there's a difference between being a witness who testifies, and a jury.

[pauk]

As long as you are not wasting possessions offensively (bricking way to much / turning the ball over / doing bad decisions) then do whatever the hell you want.

For Kobe, he has been wasting alot of possessions by way of missing way to much and still continuing to take shots, its a horrible outcome for the game every time.... so when he picks his shots, calms down with the chucking, creates for others and on top of it chases loose balls and puts some defensive effort, he impacts the game better because he is playing the game the right way, his teammates are more happy and hence it ends up more likely with a win....... thats why its more celebrated....

[triangleoffense]

the PG should bring the ball up the court safely never dominate the ball in half-court sets

[KungFuJoe]

TOs are an overrated stat.

Champs have typically been high TO teams.

Lakers are one of the lowest in the league in TOs.

[turret]

The LeBron Paradox


:lol

so true

[guy]

Kobe dominated the ball more than any game this season last night AND he also had 9 turnovers (mostly from forcing passes)

Why is this better than dominating the ball as a scorer if you're a critic of guys dominating the ball? :confusedshrug:

IMO last night was the definition of ball-hogging.

Well in Kobe's case, he's incredibly inefficient as a scorer now. So maybe this isn't better, but its not worse.

In general, ball dominant players are overrated. There's a reason we don't see ball dominant PGs win championships.

[Kblaze8855]

The list of pass first guys who dominate the ball...is often the same list as those people want to play with.

Josh Stockton dribbled the **** outta the ball at times. Same for young Isiah. Nash with his top of the key surveys...then drives..loop under the basket...dribble back up top. Lebron...seems people want to play with him. Rondo...I hear guys saying they love playing with a guy like that.

People dont mind you holding the ball...when you are looking for the best guy to give it up to.

Holding the ball...and ignoring others in search of your own offense...that isolates you from the team.

You are good enough at it you win enough to cover any bruised egos.

You do it and lose...guys get fed up.

You can pass all day and lose...your team isnt gonna hate you for it.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Well in Kobe's case, he's incredibly inefficient as a scorer now. So maybe this isn't better, but its not worse.

In general, ball dominant players are overrated. There's a reason we don't see ball dominant PGs win championships.

Because they don't play well with ball dominant SG or SF. :facepalm

[JohnMax]

This is the reason I hate Chris Paul