FIBA Released New Schedule - No Team USA/NBA Players If They Don't Agree To It

[Euroleague]

FIBA released the new schedule for future Olympics and FIBA World Cups, starting with the 2017 competition cycle.

It will be qualification during the basketball season, despite what all the morons in this forum have previously said......that IS happening.

They also said that if the NBA and USA Basketball (Team USA) refuse to go along with it, they will not be invited to play at the FIBA World Cup or the Olympics again, and that as far as NBA players go for OTHER countries, they will not be invited either, and will not play for other countries either, if the NBA won't agree.

FIBA already approved this.

AND YES, THIS IS FINAL.

END OF STORY.

Approved by the final vote of FIBA's world voting committee, even though all of the NBA members, that were added to the voting committee last year, voted against it.

The qualifications will happen in home and away tournaments, and will take place worldwide. They will happen in 6 window cycles of February, June, September, November, February, etc., taking place each year, with the fourth year being an off year.

When they are on one of the 6 window tournament cycles, 70 games will take place at a time around the world, in the home and away aggregate score format.

These types of games, home and away, in aggregate score format, will keep happening until the teams have qualified. From then on, being 32 teams at the FIBA World Cup, but still only 12 at the Olympics.

Also, FIBA will now implement a two regional system, based on the level of the teams, where teams from the first level region can only play against each other, and teams from the second level region can only play against each other, in order to achieve a "competitive fairness".

In addition to this, they will also add a worldwide promotion and relegation system within all of the qualification games. This means that whatever teams finish at the bottom of these qualification rounds - those teams will be relegated into a lower tier league, and won't be able to qualify for these tournaments until they promote back to the higher tier league.

Also, all wild card systems are now removed from FIBA tournaments. And even if Team USA refused to play in tournaments, due to the NBA not agreeing to the format because of not wanting NBA players playing during the time allotted - even Team USA would not be granted any wild cards under any circumstances either.

[navy]

Source?

[BasedTom]

thoughts on david blatt's handling of the cleveland cavaliers?

[Springsteen]

It's okay, we could send a bunch of freshmen from Duke over there and they'd blowout teams with scrubs like Spanoulis.

[jzek]

Source?

Broussard is his source.

[Milbuck]

Just another measure by those salty losers over in Euroleague to save their image, prevent USA basketball's complete domination of the rest of the world from extending even further. Pathetic.

[Euroleague]

Source?

FIBA Secretary General. I just saw a press conference.

[ProfessorMurder]

Nobody cares.

[Euroleague]

Just another measure by those salty losers over in Euroleague to save their image, prevent USA basketball's complete domination of the rest of the world from extending even further. Pathetic.

It's actually done to help Team USA as much as possible idiot. They even stressed that over and over and over in the press conference. Every single thing was done in order to help Team USA and NBA players play less and less games.

But they did not agree to the NBA's demands to make it an NBA owned tournament under NBA rules, and if the NBA won't agree to the changes they made, they don't care. The NBA players and even Team USA if that's how they want it, can no longer even be invited.

Meaning, USA won't even be allowed to play at all if they don't agree to the schedule, just the same as every single other country won't be either. So France won't be invited either if they get pissy about it the same way.

It's actually incredibly PATHETIC you would complain about it, when the changes are being done to HELP USA to an absurd degree really.

[Springsteen]

But they did not agree to the NBA's demands to make it an NBA owned tournament under NBA rules, and if the NBA won't agree to the changes they made, they don't care. The NBA players and even Team USA if that's how they want it, can no longer even be invited.

They might as well not be invited, then it would be a fair competition for every other team :lol

[Milbuck]

It's actually done to help Team USA as much as possible idiot. They even stressed that over and over and over in the press conference. Every single thing was done in order to help Team USA and NBA players play less and less games.

But they did not agree to the NBA's demands to make it an NBA owned tournament under NBA rules, and if the NBA won't agree to the changes they made, they don't care. The NBA players and even Team USA if that's how they want it, can no longer even be invited.

Meaning, USA won't even be allowed to play at all if they don't agree to the schedule, just the same as every single other country won't be either. So France won't be invited either if they get pissy about it the same way.
Agreed, they're trying to change the rules to keep it as far away from NBA rules as possible, give the international teams whatever possible advantage they can get and unquestionably need. It's a smart play by you guys imho though, try to push the NBA players and USA out of these tournaments to stop the bleeding, but under the mask of "being assertive".

[Kblaze8855]

But they did not agree to the NBA's demands to make it an NBA owned tournament under NBA rules

Show me evidence of the NBA...demanding...ownership of a FIBA tournament.

[Droid101]

you are racist

[Nowitness]

this man is a liar. provide a source.

[gts]

Show me evidence of the NBA...demanding...ownership of a FIBA tournament.

There is none... there's a reason we call him no links lakas :lol

[qrich]

Two levels with teams only being able to play those in their level means that the US will be the only ones on level one without being able to play anyone.

[niko]

Personally i wished they played the tournament during the nba season so no nba players could play and get hurt because i coudl give two ****s about usa basketball. Plumlee was on the team because coach K either wants to **** him or thinks he's his long lost son. That's USA basketball. Who cares...cancel the tourney forever!

[bdreason]

The TV ratings without NBA players will be laughable. The NBA doesn't need FIBA.

[Lebron23]

The TV ratings without NBA players will be laughable. The NBA doesn't need FIBA.


This

[JtotheIzzo]

USA took their Gamma squad over to Spain and sonned EVERYONE, FIBA basketball is dead until the young Canadian players get into their mid to late twenties.

Europe had its day, it was fun, Argentina was nice for a minute with Manu's generation, but IT'S OVER, all the corrupt ass backwards Euro-federations (FIBA, FIFA, IOC etc) are dinosaurs and they will soon become extinct, nobody wants the Olympics, soon no one will want FIBA, the Wolrd Cup will always be popular, but FIFA will be changed top to bottom because of Qatar.

The days of stuffy European pedophiles dictating the terms of world sport is coming to an end.

[livingby3's]

Sup Jeffrey

[Dr.J4ever]

The TV ratings without NBA players will be laughable. The NBA doesn't need FIBA.

Double this.

Fiba without NBA players will be a joke. Can you imagine France without Parker, Batum, Diaw etc..? Can you imagine Spain without the Gasols, Calderon, Rubio others I forgot etc? And on and on.

Fiba will be a shell of a tournament without the NBA. It will be like the days before the Dream Team when everyone knew that the best basketball wasn't being played in those Fiba tourneys, but in the States.

This could be the death knell of Fiba, and just the excuse of certain owners like Cuban to urge the rest of the NBA to pull out entirely, IF THESE REPORTS FROM EL THE POSTER ARE TRUE.

That's a big if though.

[Euroleague]

Double this.

Fiba without NBA players will be a joke. Can you imagine France without Parker, Batum, Diaw etc..? Can you imagine Spain without the Gasols, Calderon, Rubio others I forgot etc? And on and on.

Fiba will be a shell of a tournament without the NBA. It will be like the days before the Dream Team when everyone knew that the best basketball wasn't being played in those Fiba tourneys, but in the States.

This could be the death knell of Fiba, and just the excuse of certain owners like Cuban to urge the rest of the NBA to pull out entirely, IF THESE REPORTS FROM EL THE POSTER ARE TRUE.

That's a big if though.

In several straight tournaments Team USA and America has the lowest ratings of the games. So none of this is even remotely true at all. That's why FIBA could not give one flying **** about any of that bull shit.

The ratings are so damn low...no one is watching any of the games. And no income from USA is coming AT ALL. It has been that way for several tournaments now.

No one gives a damn about it in USA and no one else wants to watch USA versus Finland or New Zealand or whatever. If you think otherwise, you are beyond delusional, and are actually psychotic.

Team USA is actually one of the LOWEST viewed teams of the entire international basketball. No one in USA even bothers to watch the games and none of the rest of the world wants to watch it because it is boring and predictable.

FIBA said they generated something like $250,000 in TV revenue in the last tournament. Compared to tens of millions of dollars each from numerous European countries. So no, nothing you say is even remotely true.

In fact, it would actually GENERATE money for FIBA if USA was out of the tournaments, because as it is now, FIBA has enormous expenses catering to Team USA's every whim for them to compete, and those expenses run into the many millions in costs, compared to the very meager revenues they generate.

Get your head of your arrogant, ignorant, egotistical ass.

FIBA has made wholesale changes here to these tournaments now, in order to make it EASIER for USA to qualify, and for the NBA players to play LESS games as well. If they don't agree to this, then they are completely full of it.

And FIBA absolutely does NOT need NBA players or Team USA at all to generate the revenues. No one gives a damn about NBA players outside of the USA. They care about the name written across the jersey and the country being represented - IDIOT.

It is unbelievable how stupid you are. If you think Argentina is not going to care because Manu could not play, or whatever........unbelievable how nuts you are.

And about the Gasols and Rubio....they are NOT even Spanish in the first place you moron. Just shows how ignorant you are.

[sfballa13]

In several straight tournaments Team USA and America has the lowest ratings of the games. So none of this is even remotely true at all. That's why FIBA could not give one flying **** about any of that bull shit.

The ratings are so damn low...no one is watching any of the games. And no income from USA is coming AT ALL. It has been that way for several tournaments now.

No one gives a damn about it in USA and no one else wants to watch USA versus Finland or New Zealand or whatever. If you think otherwise, you are beyond delusional, and are actually psychotic.

Team USA is actually one of the LOWEST viewed teams of the entire international basketball. No one in USA even bothers to watch the games and none of the rest of the world wants to watch it because it is boring and predictable.

FIBA said they generated something like $250,000 in TV revenue in the last tournament. Compared to tens of millions of dollars each from numerous European countries. So no, nothing you say is even remotely true.

In fact, it would actually GENERATE money for FIBA if USA was out of the tournaments, because as it is now, FIBA has enormous expenses catering to Team USA's every whim for them to compete, and those expenses run into the many millions in costs, compared to the very meager revenues they generate.

Dont you get tired creating threads and responding to others with your stupid shiit arguments

No one gives two fcuks about anything you have to say and honestly you are polluting this board and making RealGM seem like a paradise

I swear half the threads on here are about alpha / beta or some dumb ass thread arguing about how good Euro basketball is

Euro basketball is a fcuking joke, always has been and always will be.

[navy]

Euroleague is too into his trolling. Has anyone checked in on this guys mental health?

[Dragic4Life]

Good.

[duskovujosevic]

Current system of competition

No visibility of national teams in their home countries.

National team competitions in selected host countries taking place ONLY in the summer.

No easy-to-follow qualification system throughout the 5 continental zones.

No lead-up (“Road to”) to the flagship national team competitions - large gaps without games.

Unlike other team sports, currently no official regular home games for all national teams.

Future participation of the best players to national team flagship tournaments questionable.

No development potential for most of the National Federations - as the same countries play and win the major competitions.

Too much “wear and tear” for the international players competing every summer at the end of the club season.

Economic viability of the current system at risk in a changing environment as other sports are improving their position.

New system of competition

Benefits

Improved basketball exposure: More than 140 countries playing – 1,250 regular and meaningful games.

New interest for basketball: Regular official national team games in front of their home fans.

Player-friendly system with one free summer: Maximises the chance of having international stars in the flagship FIBA tournaments.

Opportunity for new countries and players to emerge through regular official games.

All-year regular visibility of the national team, not only in summer time – creating synergies with club competitions.

Improved structure of lead-up to flagship national team tournaments: Clear “Road to” the main FIBA competitions.

Enhanced potential for commercial and media partners to be associated with the national teams and the main FIBA competitions.

Development of National Federations, giving them own assets, new tools and more resources.

Increased media exposure and promotion for national team basketball – generating benefits across all FIBA Zones.


Euroleague gonna be Euroleague. Don't listen to this fool.

[duskovujosevic]

http://www.fiba.com/images/web/v3_even/calendar2017/schema/_org/schema_original_NewSystem_B.jpg

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=duskovujosevic]Current system of competition

No visibility of national teams in their home countries.

National team competitions in selected host countries taking place ONLY in the summer.

No easy-to-follow qualification system throughout the 5 continental zones.

No lead-up (

[Euroleague]

http://www.fiba.com/images/web/v3_even/calendar2017/schema/_org/schema_original_NewSystem_B.jpg


All the people that called me a "liar" and said I was making this up, can now know that they will be officially reported to Jeff as of now.

[duskovujosevic]

lick jeff's balls and happy new year

[Dr.J4ever]

In several straight tournaments Team USA and America has the lowest ratings of the games. So none of this is even remotely true at all. That's why FIBA could not give one flying **** about any of that bull shit.

The ratings are so damn low...no one is watching any of the games. And no income from USA is coming AT ALL. It has been that way for several tournaments now.

No one gives a damn about it in USA and no one else wants to watch USA versus Finland or New Zealand or whatever. If you think otherwise, you are beyond delusional, and are actually psychotic.

Team USA is actually one of the LOWEST viewed teams of the entire international basketball. No one in USA even bothers to watch the games and none of the rest of the world wants to watch it because it is boring and predictable.

FIBA said they generated something like $250,000 in TV revenue in the last tournament. Compared to tens of millions of dollars each from numerous European countries. So no, nothing you say is even remotely true.

In fact, it would actually GENERATE money for FIBA if USA was out of the tournaments, because as it is now, FIBA has enormous expenses catering to Team USA's every whim for them to compete, and those expenses run into the many millions in costs, compared to the very meager revenues they generate.

Get your head of your arrogant, ignorant, egotistical ass.

FIBA has made wholesale changes here to these tournaments now, in order to make it EASIER for USA to qualify, and for the NBA players to play LESS games as well. If they don't agree to this, then they are completely full of it.

And FIBA absolutely does NOT need NBA players or Team USA at all to generate the revenues. No one gives a damn about NBA players outside of the USA. They care about the name written across the jersey and the country being represented - IDIOT.

It is unbelievable how stupid you are. If you think Argentina is not going to care because Manu could not play, or whatever........unbelievable how nuts you are.

And about the Gasols and Rubio....they are NOT even Spanish in the first place you moron. Just shows how ignorant you are.

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I won't even respond to the above 'cause it just sounds like a bunch of lies.

All this Fiba stuff doesn't really matter anyway since you already said many times here that Fiba is "corrupt" and runs "rigged" tournaments. Refs are regularly on the dole and you complain about Fiba favoring USA(traveling calls, bracketing, God knows what else) and punishing Greece(bracketing and punishing Spanoulis), like when Greece lost to Nigeria which you said was clearly rigged.

So if all this is true, who cares about what Fiba does?:lol

[Darius]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I won't even respond to the above 'cause it just sounds like a bunch of lies.

All this Fiba stuff doesn't really matter anyway since you already said many times here that Fiba is "corrupt" and runs "rigged" tournaments. Refs are regularly on the dole and you complain about Fiba favoring USA(traveling calls, bracketing, God knows what else) and punishing Greece(bracketing and punishing Spanoulis), like when Greece lost to Nigeria which you said was clearly rigged.

So if all this is true, who cares about what Fiba does?:lol

Wasn't euro league banned for his own mental health? It's disturbing to see him teetering on the edge like this. It's like reading a mental breakdown in progress.

[qrich]

And about the Gasols and Rubio....they are NOT even Spanish in the first place you moron. Just shows how ignorant you are.


Yet, Predrag Stojakavic is Greek.

[sportjames23]

And about the Gasols and Rubio....they are NOT even Spanish in the first place you moron. Just shows how ignorant you are.


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[Le Shaqtus]

Literally **** off.

You got banned for your bullshit before and it'll happen again. No one gives a shit about this.

[Eric Cartman]

How let this lunatic out of Arkham?

[beastee]

FIBA without NBA players is like porn with small ***** and no titties...who is gonna watch that?

[wakencdukest]

Will anyone care if team USA doesn't compete? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd rather watch the NBA season than see a ragtag USA team without all the best players easily destroy everyone, There's nothing left to prove. Actually, I'd like to see the NBA bow out and go back to using college players.

[BuffaloBill]

We'll send an AAU team of 14 year olds out there and still come back with the gold.

[GimmeThat]

they should also allow countries who enjoys a higher seeding with multiple teams.

[Rooster]

Yet, Predrag Stojakavic is Greek.

No he's not.:oldlol:

Rony Seikaly was Lebanese:oldlol:

Marco Jaric was Serbian:D

Giannis is Nigerian.:confusedshrug:

But Papanikolaou is genuine Greek:rockon:

And he will be the first Greek to averaged over 4 ppg in NBA.:bowdown: :applause:

[mehyaM24]

after the complete domination we've seen from the US the last 4 years or so, nobody really even cares. this last world cup tournament proved without a shadow of a doubt, the nba is head and shoulders better than everyone else.

not all - but most euroleague teams and players would get drilled in the nba.

[outbreak]

All the people that called me a "liar" and said I was making this up, can now know that they will be officially reported to Jeff as of now.
The part people think you lied about was knowing what was said by nba staff and euro league staff behind closed doors in meetings. Your a troll who deliberately ignores these things. When you first posted this people didn't say it wouldn't happen they were saying the nba season would not be altered to fit these games in which is what you said in your previous threads. Report yourself for lieing please.

[Euroleague]

The part people think you lied about was knowing what was said by nba staff and euro league staff behind closed doors in meetings. Your a troll who deliberately ignores these things. When you first posted this people didn't say it wouldn't happen they were saying the nba season would not be altered to fit these games in which is what you said in your previous threads. Report yourself for lieing please.

NBA staff and Euroleague staff...............

retard level IQ confirmed.

[Euroleague]

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It is a fact that Rubio and the Gasols are not Spanish. They are Catalans. They play on the "Spanish" national team because Spain uses a joint federalized national team, where the Catalan national, the Basque national team, etc. play together.

Like the former Yugoslavia national team, or how they do it in basketball in Britain. Versus for example in football with the English national team, Scottish national team and so forth.

And YES, Catalonia has its own national team of which they are members, but Spain federalizes it, so they have to play for Spain, also, and can't just play for Catalonia.

But they are Catalans, not Spaniards.


Stop being a moron.

[ElPigto]

I am guessing Euroleague is happy about this because Shitnoulis and the greek team will have a legit chance of winning the tournament. What's probably giving him a bigger hard on is that Shitnoulis could possibly be the best player to play in the tournament once you eliminate the superior talent from playing.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It is a fact that Rubio and the Gasols are not Spanish. They are Catalans. They play on the "Spanish" national team because Spain uses a joint federalized national team, where the Catalan national, the Basque national team, etc. play together.

Like the former Yugoslavia national team, or how they do it in basketball in Britain. Versus for example in football with the English national team, Scottish national team and so forth.

And YES, Catalonia has its own national team of which they are members, but Spain federalizes it, so they have to play for Spain, also, and can't just play for Catalonia.

But they are Catalans, not Spaniards.


Stop being a moron.

Interesting arguments here. I would like to think of myself as well traveled, and of all my vacations through Spain, my experience is that it's a country and a constitutional monarchy. No "fundamental separatists" can change that fact.

And for the life of me, I don't see what Catalonians would get out of independence except being part of a very small and very insignificant country. Perhaps another east timor.

[sundizz]

Why doesn't FIBA adopt the rules the NBA has though? Just pure stubborness? Basketball was an American created sport, and has the absolute without question best league and players in the world. They have spent decades improving the game of basketball both locally and globally and it is the league that every aspiring basketball player wants to be in.

I am completely making it on board with countries having to play into it, etc wtv...but the rules/style of play/etc should be held to the highest level of the leagues, not some arbitrary random "international" type style of play.

Similarly, it is like why people learn English. It is the global language of business. The NBA rules should be the model, with local variations being used for localized games.

[Sakkreth]

Why doesn't FIBA adopt the rules the NBA has though? Just pure stubborness? Basketball was an American created sport, and has the absolute without question best league and players in the world. They have spent decades improving the game of basketball both locally and globally and it is the league that every aspiring basketball player wants to be in.

I am completely making it on board with countries having to play into it, etc wtv...but the rules/style of play/etc should be held to the highest level of the leagues, not some arbitrary random "international" type style of play.

Similarly, it is like why people learn English. It is the global language of business. The NBA rules should be the model, with local variations being used for localized games.

This post is so stupid on so many levels.

[SexSymbol]

This post is so stupid on so many levels.
Actually one of the smartest posts this week.

NBA is the gleaming gold standard against which all other leagues and tournaments should be measured.
I wish, that Euroleague would one day be half as good as NBA is now, but for that to happen, they need to follow the NBA's success model in the closest way possible.

[kNIOKAS]

Actually one of the smartest posts this week.

NBA is the gleaming gold standard against which all other leagues and tournaments should be measured.
I wish, that Euroleague would one day be half as good as NBA is now, but for that to happen, they need to follow the NBA's success model in the closest way possible.
Yep. The other leagues should try to be as successful as the NBA.
Just like how on the individual level, people should try to be as successful like Kim Kardashian.

[HurricaneKid]

It is a fact that Rubio and the Gasols are not Spanish. They are Catalans. They play on the "Spanish" national team because Spain uses a joint federalized national team, where the Catalan national, the Basque national team, etc. play together.

Like the former Yugoslavia national team, or how they do it in basketball in Britain. Versus for example in football with the English national team, Scottish national team and so forth.

And YES, Catalonia has its own national team of which they are members, but Spain federalizes it, so they have to play for Spain, also, and can't just play for Catalonia.

But they are Catalans, not Spaniards.


Stop being a moron.

You seem to always be full of ****. But this post is even worse than normal.

First off, they would be Catalonian. They speak the language of Catalan. Secondly, where is Catalonia? A: Spain. This is like arguing someone from Texas isn't from the US. Your Scotland argument is laughable. Scotland is a country. Catalonia is not. Just like people from Texas can play on a team together so can people from Catalonia.

Calling someone else a moron in this post might be the funniest thing I read in 2015. Thank you for that.

[Euroleague]

Actually one of the smartest posts this week.

NBA is the gleaming gold standard against which all other leagues and tournaments should be measured.
I wish, that Euroleague would one day be half as good as NBA is now, but for that to happen, they need to follow the NBA's success model in the closest way possible.

The NBA's no defensive 3 seconds rule (no zone defense allowed) and the NBA's rules on how the defender has no right to a circle of space around him (why Harden can shoot 25 free throws a game are the most retarded rules in any sport in the entire world.

FIBA will never change to accept those rules and they have said that many times on record. And they never should change to accept those rules. As they have said, the NBA can either change its rules to their rules on those issues, or they can forget about even discussing it.

As for the court dimensions and 3 point length and jump ball, the Euroleague already changed to the jump ball and the Euroleague already requested to change to the NBA court dimension and 3 point length and was denied by FIBA. FIBA also denied them to change the jump ball and Euroleague went against them and added it anyway. But they can't change the court size and 3 point line without FIBA's permission.

The reason FIBA won't change those rules is simple. FIBA is THE WHOLE WORLD of basketball. Not just a top tier professional league like NBA or Euroleague.

If someone wants those rules changed they would have to make concessions that it only changed for the senior men and no one else. Not junior men and not for women at any level. NBA never has the brains to understand that, so the rules never change. Until the NBA grasps that, the rules won't change. Even though Euroleague actually wants them to.

But the NBA rules on defensive 3 seconds and the space around the defender will NEVER change, and if you want the same rules I guarantee it will be NBA having to change to FIBA's rules.

As far as the offensive rule of the ball above the rim, I would suspect the NBA would also have to change to FIBA's rule as well, because the NBA's rule is stupid as hell compared to the FIBA rule, and anyone that knows basic basketball, knows the FIBA rule is much better also. So I seriously doubt FIBA would ever agree to change to the retarded NBA rule on that either.

[Euroleague]

I am guessing Euroleague is happy about this because Shitnoulis and the greek team will have a legit chance of winning the tournament. What's probably giving him a bigger hard on is that Shitnoulis could possibly be the best player to play in the tournament once you eliminate the superior talent from playing.

Once again, these changes are made in order to make it EASIER for Team USA.

[Euroleague]

Why doesn't FIBA adopt the rules the NBA has though? Just pure stubborness? Basketball was an American created sport, and has the absolute without question best league and players in the world. They have spent decades improving the game of basketball both locally and globally and it is the league that every aspiring basketball player wants to be in.

I am completely making it on board with countries having to play into it, etc wtv...but the rules/style of play/etc should be held to the highest level of the leagues, not some arbitrary random "international" type style of play.

Similarly, it is like why people learn English. It is the global language of business. The NBA rules should be the model, with local variations being used for localized games.

Because genius, FIBA existed long before the NBA did and because FIBA is the world governing body of the sport of basketball, while the NBA is just a localized league.

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

[Euroleague]

Interesting arguments here. I would like to think of myself as well traveled, and of all my vacations through Spain, my experience is that it's a country and a constitutional monarchy. No "fundamental separatists" can change that fact.

And for the life of me, I don't see what Catalonians would get out of independence except being part of a very small and very insignificant country. Perhaps another east timor.

It isn't an "argument". It's a fact. Rubio and the Gasols are Catalans.

[Euroleague]

Yep. The other leagues should try to be as successful as the NBA.
Just like how on the individual level, people should try to be as successful like Kim Kardashian.

FIBA isn't a league. Try the noob forum.

[Euroleague]

You seem to always be full of ****. But this post is even worse than normal.

First off, they would be Catalonian. They speak the language of Catalan. Secondly, where is Catalonia? A: Spain. This is like arguing someone from Texas isn't from the US. Your Scotland argument is laughable. Scotland is a country. Catalonia is not. Just like people from Texas can play on a team together so can people from Catalonia.

Calling someone else a moron in this post might be the funniest thing I read in 2015. Thank you for that.

You are a moron. Another useless idiot.

[HurricaneKid]

You are a moron. Another useless idiot.

You called them a language. And somehow I'm the idiot.

[EnoughSaid]

These tournaments lose all sense of pride and legitimacy if NBA players don't participate. No point in even tuning in.

[La Frescobaldi]

Actually one of the smartest posts this week.

NBA is the gleaming gold standard against which all other leagues and tournaments should be measured.
I wish, that Euroleague would one day be half as good as NBA is now, but for that to happen, they need to follow the NBA's success model in the closest way possible.

it's mostly fool's gold tbh. virtually every rule of the last decade has been worthless and weak and directly hurts the game of basketball.

[navy]

Any reports on what the USA will do? Send out college kids?