More proof of how meaningless All Star selections are

[JT123]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/1/1/7477773/kobe-bryant-all-star-game-voting-stephen-curry-lebron-james
People wanna say teams like the Cavs are underachieving based on the fact they have 3 All Stars, but this article is proof that All Star selections are about nothing more than being popular. How else do you explain Kobe being voted a starter over James Harden? :facepalm Durant is in 5th place among front court players right now, and it's not because he has been hurt, it's because he is not that popular. Even Kevin Garnett has more votes than Millsap and Big Al! :roll:

[L.Kizzle]

Durant is pretty famous. He's started like the past 5 seasons or so. This voting this year has been weird. Derrick Rose has been a top vote getter the past 2 seasons without playing. Now that he's playing, he's out of the top 5 behind Jimmy Butler.

[SpanishACB]

you need help realizing when people mean all star they mean top 20ish player in the league and not whoever is voted by marketing zombies?

[KungFuJoe]

It's a popularity contest.

And the games are boring to watch anyways.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Yeah becsuse if the fans didnt vote Love and Kyrie in as sarters last year they wouldn't have made the team come coach selection time

:facepalm :coleman:

[Beastmode88]

Someone link the kobe blocking lebron gif.

[DirkLegend41]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/1/1/7477773/kobe-bryant-all-star-game-voting-stephen-curry-lebron-james
People wanna say teams like the Cavs are underachieving based on the fact they have 3 All Stars, but this article is proof that All Star selections are about nothing more than being popular. How else do you explain Kobe being voted a starter over James Harden? :facepalm Durant is in 5th place among front court players right now, and it's not because he has been hurt, it's because he is not that popular. Even Kevin Garnett has more votes than Millsap and Big Al! :roll:
James Harden is a B+ player. Nobody wants to see a B+ player starting in the All-Star game.

[JT123]

Here's a comment from the article that breaks things down perfectly.

Kobe is a great talent, and WAS a great player. This year he

[JT123]

James Harden is a B+ player. Nobody wants to see a B+ player starting in the All-Star game.
So you would rather watch someone who bricks 63% of his shots? :biggums:

[gts]

James Harden is a B+ player. Nobody wants to see a B+ player starting in the All-Star game.

More importantly he's not as personable... outside of Houston he doesn't move the needle and that's what gets all star votes, players that have a national appeal get the big votes

that being said he is 3rd in the west's backcourt voting so it's not like he's been snubbed, he's just not getting the national vote

[DirkLegend41]

So you would rather watch someone who bricks 63% of his shots? :biggums:
Well, in 2002 old man Michael Jordan was bricking shots and still got voted as a starter. I guess they wanna see the man who shoot bricks start in the ASG too.

[JT123]

Well, in 2002 old man Michael Jordan was bricking shots and still got voted as a starter. I guess they wanna see the man who shoot bricks start in the ASG too.
That's a little different. The East at that time wasn't stacked at shooting guard like the current West is, so no one got snubbed due to Jordan being voted in. In this case 2 or 3 very deserving guards in the West are going to get snubbed because of a guy who currently has the lowest field goal percentage of anyone in the shot clock era who attempts at least 20 shots per game.

[gts]

That's a little different. The East at that time wasn't stacked at shooting guard like the current West is, so no one got snubbed due to Jordan being voted in. In this case 2 or 3 very deserving guards in the West are going to get snubbed because of a guy who currently has the lowest field goal percentage of anyone in the shot clock era who attempts at least 20 shots per game.You seem to be a little dense, let me help you with that

All star voting is done by fans, fans vote in who they want to see play in the game

more people want to see Kobe and Curry over Harden.. It's not hard, it's not rocket science... Kobe is more popular than James Harden get over it. If they both retired today in 25 years nobody would talk about James Harden he'd be that "what was the name of that guy with the unkept beard that used to flop a lot?" guy, where as Kobe's name will still be getting talked about in all time greats of the games discussions

clear enough or are you going to respond with another wall of text that actually has nothing to do with the all star voting

[DirkLegend41]

That's a little different. The East at that time wasn't stacked at shooting guard like the current West is, so no one got snubbed due to Jordan being voted in. In this case 2 or 3 very deserving guards in the West are going to get snubbed because of a guy who currently has the lowest field goal percentage of anyone in the shot clock era who attempts at least 20 shots per game.
A.I. IS a SG. And the all-star vote doesn't go buy each position anyway. Jason Kidd was having a MVP type of season in 2002 and T-Mac was ballin that year too. It maybe not stacked but both of those guys were megastars at the time. Those guys didn't get snubbed based on their stats?

[JT123]

You seem to be a little dense, let me help you with that

All star voting is done by fans, fans vote in who they want to see play in the game

more people want to see Kobe and Curry over Harden.. It's not hard, it's not rocket science... Kobe is more popular than James Harden get over it. If they both retired today in 25 years nobody would talk about James Harden he'd be that "what was the name of that guy with the unkept beard that used to flop a lot?" guy, where as Kobe's name will still be getting talked about in all time greats of the games discussions

clear enough or are you going to respond with another wall of text that actually has nothing to do with the all star voting
You're seriously calling me dense? :facepalm EVERY word I have typed in this thread is about All Star voting! I know that Kobe is more popular than Harden, my point is that popularity SHOULDN'T decide who get's the honor of an All Star selection. Stop being butt hurt just because I used your favorite player as the most glaring example of the flawed voting process. I also brought up how ridiculous it is that Durant is only in 5th place among front court players, and I don't like KD at all.

[mehyaM24]

i would watch dwight, the antitheses of fundamentals, over that freethrow barreler, harden. any day.

seeing kobe clank shots might peak my interest even more. :oldlol:

[JT123]

A.I. IS a SG. And the all-star vote doesn't go buy each position anyway. Jason Kidd was having a MVP type of season in 2002 and T-Mac was ballin that year too. It maybe not stacked but both of those guys were megastars at the time. Those guys didn't get snubbed based on their stats?
You have a point. Jordan shouldn't have started over those guys, but at least they got selected to the team. Some very deserving guards in the West aren't going to make the team at all because of this very flawed popularity contest format that favors players who are well past their prime.

[GimmeThat]

what matters is the cumulative stats one has from all star games

[Rooster]

A.I. IS a SG. And the all-star vote doesn't go buy each position anyway. Jason Kidd was having a MVP type of season in 2002 and T-Mac was ballin that year too. It maybe not stacked but both of those guys were megastars at the time. Those guys didn't get snubbed based on their stats?

Every year someone will be snub, it's given. But as a fan, this is a meaningless game. You wanna see the stars and the Starters are popularity contest anyway so I would have voted for Jordan too and would rather see him then anyone else.

[DirkLegend41]

You have a point. Jordan shouldn't have started over those guys, but at least they got selected to the team. Some very deserving guards in the West aren't going to make the team at all because of this very flawed popularity contest format that favors players who are well past their prime.
Then why you crying about then? Same situation with James Harden. Shouldn't you be happy that at least Harden is still gonna be at the ASG?

[gts]

Then why you crying about then? Shouldn't you be happy that at least Harden is still gonna be at the ASG?

He's whining because it's Kobe and that's the only reason

[Mr. Jabbar]

kobe got into the asg putting up record triple doubles in his 19th season :bowdown: at some point haters need to realize they are wasting valuable energy...imagine how many burgers could have been flipped instead of kobe hate posts

[DirkLegend41]

Every year someone will be snub, it's given. But as a fan, this is a meaningless game. You wanna see the stars and the Starters are popularity contest anyway so I would have voted for Jordan too and would rather see him then anyone else.
Oh, I know that. I just wanna know what's OP upset about.

[Rooster]

Oh, I know that. I just wanna know what's OP upset about.

Just like what gts said, it's only because of Kobe.

[BasedTom]

westbrook might actually miss it this year

kobe's been there like 17 times. He really can't "retire" from it or acknowledge the honor and give his spot to someone else?

[jrong]

You seem to be a little dense, let me help you with that

All star voting is done by fans, fans vote in who they want to see play in the game

more people want to see Kobe and Curry over Harden.. It's not hard, it's not rocket science... Kobe is more popular than James Harden get over it. If they both retired today in 25 years nobody would talk about James Harden he'd be that "what was the name of that guy with the unkept beard that used to flop a lot?" guy, where as Kobe's name will still be getting talked about in all time greats of the games discussions

clear enough or are you going to respond with another wall of text that actually has nothing to do with the all star voting

Yeah, but the issue is that all-star selections have legacy implications. Get selected enough times, and you're pretty much a lock for the HOF. They're also factored into all-time player rankings.

I don't have a problem with Kobe getting the automatic berth this year that veteran stars have historically gotten, but at some point it has to stop. It's doubtful that Tim Duncan will be an all-star this year, and his resume is at least as great as Kobe's.

[theoneneo]

People don't wanna see James Harden Bumbass in the all star game that's why. He's not fun to watch. Just flailing his arms around and jacking 3s. :lol

And how much better is a prime James Harden shooting than a old, post Achilles injured Kobe?

:durantunimpressed:

[PsychoBe]

kobe got into the asg putting up record triple doubles in his 19th season :bowdown: at some point haters need to realize they are wasting valuable energy...imagine how many burgers could have been flipped instead of kobe hate posts

i guess we're doing the 20four now :roll: :roll: :roll:

[gts]

Yeah, but the issue is that all-star selections have legacy implications. Get selected enough times, and you're pretty much a lock for the HOF. They're also factored into all-time player rankings.


You're looking at it a little sideways... Scrub players don't make the all star game year after year, they might sneak one in during their career but that's about it...

guys like Kobe get in year after year not because they're just popular... the only reason they are popular enough to be in the game multiple times is because they're damn good basketball players first...

Kobe's legacy is not because he went to the all star game 16+ times, it's because he's one of the best players to ever play the game

btw Duncan's legacy is intact, missing a fan driven event will not diminish it in any form

[Viriilink]

So many people fixated on the Kobe over Harden portion. Nobody(excluding TheMarkMadsen) seem to notice he's trying to deflect criticism on Lebron's team(Cavs). Claiming that All-Star selections are meaningless to diminish Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving as players. Though he is right, that is not what he intended this thread to be.

[fpliii]

Yeah, but the issue is that all-star selections have legacy implications. Get selected enough times, and you're pretty much a lock for the HOF. They're also factored into all-time player rankings.

I don't have a problem with Kobe getting the automatic berth this year that veteran stars have historically gotten, but at some point it has to stop. It's doubtful that Tim Duncan will be an all-star this year, and his resume is at least as great as Kobe's.
I get the HOF angle, but nobody is forcing you to factor awards/accolades into player rankings. :confusedshrug:

[JellyBean]

Like we need more proof. Most of us have been saying the same thing about these all-star selections for decades! Heck when Yao Ming missed a season and a half (2011) he was voted as a started!! He couldn't play, sadly. Fans should get to pick the reserves and let either the all-star coaching staff pick players or let Sir Charles, Kenny, EJ, and Shaq pick the players.

[LONGTIME]

Like we need more proof. Most of us have been saying the same thing about these all-star selections for decades! Heck when Yao Ming missed a season and a half (2011) he was voted as a started!! He couldn't play, sadly. Fans should get to pick the reserves and let either the all-star coaching staff pick players or let Sir Charles, Kenny, EJ, and Shaq pick the players.

:biggums:

[GrapeApe]

There's no real distinction between being an all star starter or reserve in terms of historic perspective or legacy. I've never heard someone argue one player is better than another because he started more all star games. Too much is made of the fans voting for underserving players. I have no issue with fan voting since the game is an exhibition for fans. Rarely if ever would a player who's voted in not at least make the team as a reserve. Kobe may be that rare exception, but if you're top 3 in the league in scoring you're probably getting selected.

Actually I see Kobe is currently the 4th leading scorer. Still though, I'd venture to say few if any players ranked number 4 in the league in scoring haven't been an all star.

[Pushxx]

Who gives a shit? Let the fans vote who they want to see.

That's the ****ing point. They're not asking fans to pick the All-NBA teams. If they want to see Iverson, let them vote Iverson.

We live in America, bitches.

[christian1923]

Ok then we can say that the team has 3 guys on the US Olympic team lol

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

[QUOTE=JT123]Here's a comment from the article that breaks things down perfectly.

Kobe is a great talent, and WAS a great player. This year he

[LilEddyCurry]

Roy Hibbert was one last year :facepalm

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Kobe Bryant deserves his all star game selection based on prior voting patterns of other NBA legends.

Back in 2003 Jordan got on the team putting up worse numbers and he even had the media pressuring Vince Carter to give up his starting spot for him.

:facepalm

[blood yes]

Like we need more proof. Most of us have been saying the same thing about these all-star selections for decades! Heck when Yao Ming missed a season and a half (2011) he was voted as a started!! He couldn't play, sadly. Fans should get to pick the reserves and let either the all-star coaching staff pick players or let Sir Charles, Kenny, EJ, and Shaq pick the players.
For someone who joined in 2006, you're pretty ****ing retarded :wtf: :banghead:

Total number of All-Star Starters: 10
Total number of all-star reserves: 14

Do you want the game to be ruined even MORE? Would you like to see JR Smith, Jeremy Lin, and Nick Young in the all-star game? Then Hey! Go ahead, let fans vote for the all-star game:rolleyes:

(By the way, ur an idiot)