my ALPHA and BETA ring calculations

[NZStreetBaller]

Are they on the same level of credibility ?? We'll call it a B ring. or Beta Ring

Joining superstars or future stars (i.e Young Kobe, Dwade) and then getting the FMVP is got to be on page with Big time supertars joining you to get the ring in the first place.

Example 1: Shaq joins kobe and the lakers (because the Orlando magic sucks) and gets 3 Beta rings.

Kobe was the number 1 side kick. so he also gets 3 beta rings

Heres the thing three 2 Beta rings equal 1 Alpha ring.

Reason being ?? because one man had to leave his team. where as the other needed the guy to come on board.

So together Kobe and shaq made 1.5 ALPHA rings.

later on in Shaqs career he joined D wade Note:Colluding = Beta ring. but when he won the ring he was also the sidekick.

so being the sidekick and colluding = irrelevant to alpha ring count.

Shaq = 1.5 Alpha rings or 3 Beta rings

Kobe later on in his career never moved team but was joined by pau and others but stayed with his team and won 2 rings as the man this gives him 2 ALPHA rings.

so overall Kobe has 3.5 ALPHA rings

Using this perfect unshook calculations you can reveal the true Alpha/BETAring counts :D

im just playing by the way:coleman:

[Marchesk]

How many Alpha rings does Jordan have :confusedshrug:

[retaxis]

NBA is a job for the players. Very few stay on the same team their whole lives just like very few people work for the same company their whole lives. How many of u will work for the same company your whole lives if other companies are offering better pay and conditions?

[JT123]

Cringe worthy trolling by these Kobe stans. :facepalm
Can we unban Dubeta and Lebronxrings? At least those guys are funny.

[NZStreetBaller]

Jordan has 6 ALPHA rings. stuck with his team. Needed help from scottie no doubt. but never left his post. ALPHA as phuck:bowdown:

[Ramza]

How many Alpha rings does Jordan have :confusedshrug:
0... Just like Bran.

[NZStreetBaller]

Cringe worthy trolling by these Kobe stans. :facepalm
Can we unban Dubeta and Lebronxrings? At least those guys are funny.

trolling??? this is just for fun dude. lol dont take it to heart.

[JT123]

Jordan has 6 ALPHA rings. stuck with his team. Needed help from scottie no doubt. but never left his post. ALPHA as phuck:bowdown:
Just quite on his team and city with a chance to 4 peat, twice. :facepalm

[JT123]

trolling??? this is just for fun dude. lol dont take it to heart.
All trolling is for fun, but your craft needs some work. I also can't stand the double standard of this forum. If Dubeta or Lebronxrings made a thread like this they would be banned, but because you aren't a Lebron fan no one is going to care or report you. :rolleyes:

[NZStreetBaller]

Just quite on his team and city with a chance to 4 peat, twice. :facepalm

won the alpha rings while he was their though.....

[NZStreetBaller]

All trolling is for fun, but your craft needs some work. I also can't stand the double standard of this forum. If Dubeta or Lebronxrings made a thread like this they would be banned, but because you aren't a Lebron fan no one is going to care or report you. :rolleyes:

you guys always post with major agendas. and do it ALL THE DAM TIME.

this formula is objective. and i havent given any advantage or disadvantage to anyone. nor did i say that this is how it is. its just my formula. and i stated that i was playing.

Your crying because it doesnt favour your idol. and mad because you think the rules of ISH are against you.

[NZStreetBaller]

lets say role player get an OMEGA ring and

3 OMEGA rings = 1 Alpha ring.

so rob horry has 2.33333 ALPHA rings ??

[JT123]

you guys always post with major agendas. and do it ALL THE DAM TIME.

this formula is objective. and i havent given any advantage or disadvantage to anyone. nor did i say that this is how it is. its just my formula. and i stated that i was playing.

Your crying because it doesnt favour your idol. and mad because you think the rules of ISH are against you.
I don't care about that at all. :lol I'm a pretty laid back dude, and don't really mind trolling towards any player. As I said, I just hate double standards. Kobe fans make just as many agenda threads as Bron fans, yet the only Kobe stan who ever seems to get banned is KennethGriffin. :sleeping

[SouBeachTalents]

OP how many alpha/beta rings do LeBron, Wade, & Bosh have?

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Are they on the same level of credibility ?? We'll call it a B ring. or Beta Ring

Joining superstars or future stars (i.e Young Kobe, Dwade) and then getting the FMVP is got to be on page with Big time supertars joining you to get the ring in the first place.

Example 1: Shaq joins kobe and the lakers (because the Orlando magic sucks) and gets 3 Beta rings.

Kobe was the number 1 side kick. so he also gets 3 beta rings

Heres the thing three 2 Beta rings equal 1 Alpha ring.

Reason being ?? because one man had to leave his team. where as the other needed the guy to come on board.

So together Kobe and shaq made 1.5 ALPHA rings.

later on in Shaqs career he joined D wade Note:Colluding = Beta ring. but when he won the ring he was also the sidekick.

so being the sidekick and colluding = irrelevant to alpha ring count.

Shaq = 1.5 Alpha rings or 3 Beta rings

Kobe later on in his career never moved team but was joined by pau and others but stayed with his team and won 2 rings as the man this gives him 2 ALPHA rings.

so overall Kobe has 3.5 ALPHA rings

Using this perfect unshook calculations you can reveal the true Alpha/BETAring counts :D

im just playing by the way:coleman:

the only ring u should be worrying about is my c0ck ring that ur gf/mother loves...

[NZStreetBaller]

I don't care about that at all. :lol I'm a pretty laid back dude, and don't really mind trolling towards any player. As I said, I just hate double standards. Kobe fans make just as many agenda threads as Bron fans, yet the only Kobe stan who ever seems to get banned is KennethGriffin. :sleeping

so your mentioning that we (kobe stans) dont get banned for our agenda threads on my thread which isnt an agenda thread...... and if you see this as an agenda thread you might need a break from the ISH culture lol.

And i didnt want sensitive bran stans to think that is was an agenda thread. which is why i refused to mention lebron in the intro.

And by the way i apologize that my trolling levels aren't up to par. I obviously dont put as much time and effort into it as some people.:rolleyes:

[GrapeApe]

OP how many alpha/beta rings do LeBron, Wade, & Bosh have?

I'm assuming they have negative rings due the collusion. Lebron and Bosh have -2 and Wade has -1 1/2.

[NZStreetBaller]

the only ring u should be worrying about is my c0ck ring that ur gf/mother loves...

I worry about it every night as I cry my betaself to sleep. Btw your **** ring doesnt make your **** any bigger (my mothers words not mine)

[Mr. Jabbar]

so lebron has two beta rings (1 alpha ring), it gets interesting when you throw in 2011, costing the heat the finals single hand, -1 alpha ring.

= no rings

also kobe always won with ppl that had never won before being his teammate, lebron, not so much :applause:

[JT123]

so your mentioning that we (kobe stans) dont get banned for our agenda threads on my thread which isnt an agenda thread...... and if you see this as an agenda thread you might need a break from the ISH culture lol.

And i didnt want sensitive bran stans to think that is was an agenda thread. which is why i refused to mention lebron in the intro.

And by the way i apologize that my trolling levels aren't up to par. I obviously dont put as much time and effort into it as some people.:rolleyes:
No need to get upset dude. :lol My beef isn't with you or any other Kobe fan, it's with the people who control the bans. There is no need to take my criticism of your trolling personally. Tons of troll threads are created on this site every day, they can't all be gems.

[NZStreetBaller]

I'm assuming they have negative rings due the collusion. Lebron and Bosh have -2 and Wade has -1 1/2.

no........ LEbron colluded but won as the main player so that counts as 2 beta rings

2 beta rings = 1 alpha ring.
D wade stayed put. they came to him. but he was the sidekick. so he has 2 beta rings with lebron as well.

But D wade also has 1 Alpha ring he won earlier.

So Lebron has 1 Alpha ring
D wade has 2 Alpha rings

And lets say bosh kind of a sidekick too. why not?

that gives bosh 2 betas which is also 1 ALPHA

[NZStreetBaller]

No need to get upset dude. :lol My beef isn't with you or any other Kobe fan, it's with the people who control the bans. There is no need to take my criticism of your trolling personally. Tons of troll threads are created on this site every day, they can't all be gems.

lol no i was actually the fact that I dont give a damn about some trolling level or whatever.

God you need picture explainations:facepalm

[NZStreetBaller]

so lebron has two beta rings (1 alpha ring), it gets interesting when you throw in 2011, costing the heat the finals single hand, -1 alpha ring.

= no rings

also kobe always won with ppl that had never won before being his teammate, lebron, not so much :applause:

come on bro lets not mention loses today. Im in a good generous mood.:D

[tgan3]

Bill Russell is 3 times the player Kobe was because he has 11 Alpha rings, Kobe has 3.5 only.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan has 6x Alpha rings
LeBron has 2x Alpha rings
Kobe has 2x Alpha rings
Magic has 3x Alpha rings
Duncan has 3x Alpha rings
Shaq has 3x Alpha rings
Wade has 1x Alpha ring
Dirk has 1x Alpha ring

[Mr. Jabbar]

come on bro lets not mention loses today. Im in a good generous mood.:D

you are a good man

[Marchesk]

And this guy?

http://www.foxsports.com/content/dam/fsdigital/fscom/NBA/images/2014/2/12/021214-4-NBA-Bill-Russell-OB-IA.jpg

[sportjames23]

Cringe worthy trolling by these Kobe stans. :facepalm
Can we unban Dubeta and Lebronxrings? At least those guys are funny.


Them bitches got banned again? Dubeta JUST got back from a ban. :oldlol:

[sirkeelma]

Derek Fisher = 2 Alpha Ring :bowdown:

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

I worry about it every night as I cry my betaself to sleep. Btw your **** ring doesnt make your **** any bigger (my mothers words not mine)

ya b!tch gets fcuked by an entire town on nightly basis ...so i won't argue with you on that....

[Le Shaqtus]

Cringe worthy trolling by these Kobe stans. :facepalm
Can we unban Dubeta and Lebronxrings? At least those guys are funny.

No one on this forum thinks they're funny.

[NZStreetBaller]

ya b!tch gets fcuked by an entire town on nightly basis ...so i won't argue with you on that....

lol shes a hard working girl...... brings home the money every night. I got the girl that every guy wants including you :banana:

[Megabox!]

also kobe always won with ppl that had never won before being his teammate, lebron, not so much :applause:
I guess Bosh, Lewis, Birdman, Turiaf, Birdman and Battier don't count then? I mean none of them won any NBA championships before joining the Heat :confusedshrug:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Russell doesn't have 11x Alpha rings. More like 7x or 8x. When you are at times waffling between the 3rd and 5th most important, or productive player on a given side of the ball ... that isn't definitive alpha status. People always get this messed up when they look at his ring count.

[Marchesk]

Russell doesn't have 11x Alpha rings. More like 7x or 8x. When you are at times waffling between the 3rd and 5th most important, or productive player on a given side of the ball ... that isn't definitive alpha status. People always get this messed up when they look at his ring count.

True, Hondo and Sam Jones would've had a couple FMVPs each, probably.

[jrong]

Cringe worthy trolling by these Kobe stans. :facepalm
Can we unban Dubeta and Lebronxrings? At least those guys are funny.

Dubeta is on another board now masquerading as a Thunder fan and using that pretense to disparage KD. I was gonna call him out (I post under another handle there), but it was just so sad that I let it be. I can't believe he's using the same name though. Cyberspace is a small world, and someone will expose him.

Or are you Dubeta and LeBronxrings? You're advocating for them/you pretty aggressively.

Topic: Alpha rings should count for 1 pt. and Beta rings for .5

So MJ has 6 pts, Shaq and Kobe each have 3.5 pts, James and Wade each have 2 pts, etc.

However, a player should have at least one alpha ring to have any pts. So Pippen's 6 beta rings that would give him 3 pts and put him in front of James/Wade actually don't count for any points. And among players who have points, the tie goes to the player with the most alpha rings. So Shaq wins the breaker over Kobe, James over Wade etc.

[JT123]

Dubeta is on another board now masquerading as a Thunder fan and using that pretense to disparage KD. I was gonna call him out (I post under another handle there), but it was just so sad that I let it be. I can't believe he's using the same name though. Cyberspace is a small world, and someone will expose him.

Or are you Dubeta and LeBronxrings? You're advocating for them/you pretty aggressively.

Topic: Alpha rings should count for 1 pt. and Beta rings for .5

So MJ has 6 pts, Shaq and Kobe each have 3.5 pts, James and Wade each have 2 pts, etc.

However, a player should have at least one alpha ring to have any pts. So Pippen's 6 beta rings that would give him 3 pts and put him in front of James/Wade actually don't count for any points. And among players who have points, the tie goes to the player with the most alpha rings. So Shaq wins the breaker over Kobe, James over Wade etc.
I am not them, but I do think it is unfair that they are constantly getting banned when other posters on this forum are much worse. We have idiots like 20four who never even try to discuss basketball, and do nothing but post the exact same McDonalds jokes and personal insults every day. :facepalm

[NZStreetBaller]

I am not them, but I do think it is unfair that they are constantly getting banned when other posters on this forum are much worse. We have idiots like 20four who never even try to discuss basketball, and do nothing but post the exact same McDonalds jokes and personal insults every day. :facepalm

haha i love those mcdonalds jokes you know they're coming but its still funny.

you guys get banned because your obsessively pushing your agenda on a consistant basis. Dubeta is basically the bran stan version of kenneth. Thread after thread after thread of kobe sucks and lebron rules and this is why. you guys never take a break so OP gives it to you.

I rarely ever so you guys talk about anything else other then kobe and bron. get a life.

[NZStreetBaller]

Dubeta is on another board now masquerading as a Thunder fan and using that pretense to disparage KD. I was gonna call him out (I post under another handle there), but it was just so sad that I let it be. I can't believe he's using the same name though. Cyberspace is a small world, and someone will expose him.

Or are you Dubeta and LeBronxrings? You're advocating for them/you pretty aggressively.

Topic: Alpha rings should count for 1 pt. and Beta rings for .5

So MJ has 6 pts, Shaq and Kobe each have 3.5 pts, James and Wade each have 2 pts, etc.

However, a player should have at least one alpha ring to have any pts. So Pippen's 6 beta rings that would give him 3 pts and put him in front of James/Wade actually don't count for any points. And among players who have points, the tie goes to the player with the most alpha rings. So Shaq wins the breaker over Kobe, James over Wade etc.

hmmm interesting. yah know you and I could've worked together to make this thread. thanks for the development help.:cheers:

[mehyaM24]

since this thread has a THEME of perimeter players, i'll just go that route.

lebron: 2 alpha rings - as the heat were barely a playoff team with him, and without him, scratching and crawling for a playoff spot.

kobe 1 alpha ring - 3 were shaq heavylifting in the finals, and of course, one where pau was robbed of a finals mvp (while arguably outplaying kobe throughout the postseason, as well)

pippen 5 alpha rings - 5 because for the bulk of the 98 playoffs, he was hurt and played like a shell of himself. but yes - 5. now hear me out.....before pippen, jordan was just 1-9 in the postseason, and missed the playoffs twice without pippen after the fact (wizards era). :confusedshrug:

jordan 1 alpha ring - see above

[NZStreetBaller]

since this thread has a THEME of perimeter players, i'll just go that route.

lebron: 2 alpha rings - as the heat were barely a playoff team with him, and without him, scratching and crawling for a playoff spot.

kobe 1 alpha ring - 3 were shaq heavylifting in the finals, and of course, one where pau was robbed of a finals mvp (while arguably outplaying kobe throughout the postseason, as well)

pippen 5 alpha rings - 5 because for the bulk of the 98 playoffs, he was hurt and played like a shell of himself. but yes - 5. now hear me out.....before pippen, jordan was just 1-9 in the postseason, and missed the playoffs twice without pippen after the fact (wizards era). :confusedshrug:

jordan 1 alpha ring - see above


this is my formula. you want to make your own. start a thread and do it.

[mehyaM24]

this is my formula. you want to make your own. start a thread and do it.
i find my formula to be more efficient AND dominant.

kudos

[SamuraiSWISH]

Topic: Alpha rings should count for 1 pt. and Beta rings for .5

So MJ has 6 pts, Shaq and Kobe each have 3.5 pts, James and Wade each have 2 pts, etc.

However, a player should have at least one alpha ring to have any pts. So Pippen's 6 beta rings that would give him 3 pts and put him in front of James/Wade actually don't count for any points. And among players who have points, the tie goes to the player with the most alpha rings. So Shaq wins the breaker over Kobe, James over Wade etc.
That is extraordinarily accurate, and makes total sense. Do Magic, Bird, and Kareem if you have time ...

MJ - 6
Shaq - 3.5
Kobe - 3.5
Wade - 2
LeBron - 2

:pimp:

[SouBeachTalents]

since this thread has a THEME of perimeter players, i'll just go that route.

lebron: 2 alpha rings - as the heat were barely a playoff team with him, and without him, scratching and crawling for a playoff spot.

kobe 1 alpha ring - 3 were shaq heavylifting in the finals, and of course, one where pau was robbed of a finals mvp (while arguably outplaying kobe throughout the postseason, as well)

pippen 5 alpha rings - 5 because for the bulk of the 98 playoffs, he was hurt and played like a shell of himself. but yes - 5. now hear me out.....before pippen, jordan was just 1-9 in the postseason, and missed the playoffs twice without pippen after the fact (wizards era). :confusedshrug:

jordan 1 alpha ring - see above

Pippen's alpha ring to Finals MVP ratio is at a historic disparity

[SamuraiSWISH]

Pippen's alpha ring to Finals MVP ratio is at a historic disparity
LOL to the statistical difference as well between the best player and his clear sidekick.

[StephHamann]

since this thread has a THEME of perimeter players, i'll just go that route.

lebron: 2 alpha rings - as the heat were barely a playoff team with him, and without him, scratching and crawling for a playoff spot.

kobe 1 alpha ring - 3 were shaq heavylifting in the finals, and of course, one where pau was robbed of a finals mvp (while arguably outplaying kobe throughout the postseason, as well)

pippen 5 alpha rings - 5 because for the bulk of the 98 playoffs, he was hurt and played like a shell of himself. but yes - 5. now hear me out.....before pippen, jordan was just 1-9 in the postseason, and missed the playoffs twice without pippen after the fact (wizards era). :confusedshrug:

jordan 1 alpha ring - see above

See that's why everyone laughs @ Lebron

OP made a very clever and reasonable thread, and you are just stupid in defence of Bran Lebald the Frozen One.

[mehyaM24]

See that's why everyone laughs @ Lebron

OP made a very clever and reasonable thread, and you are just stupid in defence of Bran Lebald the Frozen One.
relax bud. im just giving my opinion. you're welcome to disagree and make some changes, but i believe its as thorough you're going to get.


Pippen's alpha ring to Finals MVP ratio is at a historic disparity
there's always room for improvement, but i believe my list is the most accurate here. the most consistent as well when we talk about strength of team and raw impact.

:cheers:

[SouBeachTalents]

These calculations get trickier for a few of the recent champs

2005 Spurs: Duncan was the clear cut best player during the regular season, but Manu arguably outplayed him during the playoffs, and many believe he should of won Finals MVP

2008 Celtics: KG was the best player during the regular season and most of the playoffs, but Pierce had that monster Game 7 against Cleveland and took home Finals MVP

2004 Pistons: :confusedshrug:

2014 Spurs: :confusedshrug:

[fpliii]

The MDE is beta during his prime? Huh? :coleman:

[riseagainst]

lebron fans are so shook in this thread.

:roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

lebron fans are so shook in this thread.
Of course. When one resorts to saying Pip has 5x alpha rings to MJ's 1 ... it's obvious. Shook, salty, BETA all rolled into one. Of course a LeBron fan would identify with Pippen, and vice a versa.

[tpols]

These calculations get trickier for a few of the recent champs

2005 Spurs: Duncan was the clear cut best player during the regular season, but Manu arguably outplayed him during the playoffs, and many believe he should of won Finals MVP

2008 Celtics: KG was the best player during the regular season and most of the playoffs, but Pierce had that monster Game 7 against Cleveland and took home Finals MVP

2004 Pistons: :confusedshrug:

2014 Spurs: :confusedshrug:

For the Pistons I'd give an alpha ring to Ben Wallace.. Beta ring to Billups.

For 2014 Spurs pop gets an alpha ring and the whole starting lineup gets beta rings.

[Anaximandro1]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oRYIn1WQxnY/VKb3YPnFVyI/AAAAAAAADog/9sCyXveB0fo/s1600/10.jpg


in layman's terms ->

- Jordan scored 33 percent of his team's points and accounts for 23 pct of his team's assists during the Bulls' 6 championship runs

[mehyaM24]

Of course. When one resorts to saying Pip has 5x alpha rings to MJ's 1 ... it's obvious. Shook, salty, BETA all rolled into one. Of course a LeBron fan would identify with Pippen, and vice a versa.
no need for insults dude. i think its fair - i mean, we always get jordan fans clamoring for the 6/6 nonsense. evidently, team strength and results are so important in your guys' department, so then surely you would agree that pippen, who phil jackson claimed was THE leader of the bulls, turned the franchise around, who were previously 1-12 against boston, and 1-9 overall in the playoffs.

jordan, his 2 years after the second retirement, was the best player on a non playoff team. OTH, pippen led the blazers to the western conference finals his FIRST season as a blazer.

think about that for a second.

[JT123]

no need for insults dude. i think its fair - i mean, we always get jordan fans clamoring for the 6/6 nonsense. evidently, team strength and results are so important in your guys' department, so then surely you would agree that pippen, who phil jackson claimed was THE leader of the bulls, turned the franchise around, who were previously 1-12 against boston, and 1-9 overall in the playoffs.

jordan, his 2 years after the second retirement, was the best player on a non playoff team. OTH, pippen led the blazers to the western conference finals his FIRST season as a blazer.

think about that for a second.
:applause:

[20Four]

since this thread has a THEME of perimeter players, i'll just go that route.

lebron: 2 alpha rings - as the heat were barely a playoff team with him, and without him, scratching and crawling for a playoff spot.

kobe 1 alpha ring - 3 were shaq heavylifting in the finals, and of course, one where pau was robbed of a finals mvp (while arguably outplaying kobe throughout the postseason, as well)

pippen 5 alpha rings - 5 because for the bulk of the 98 playoffs, he was hurt and played like a shell of himself. but yes - 5. now hear me out.....before pippen, jordan was just 1-9 in the postseason, and missed the playoffs twice without pippen after the fact (wizards era). :confusedshrug:

jordan 1 alpha ring - see above

What a dumbass mother Fvcker! I guess working at McDonald's fried your brain too? You dumbfvck

[SamuraiSWISH]

no need for insults dude. i think its fair - i mean, we always get jordan fans clamoring for the 6/6 nonsense. evidently, team strength and results are so important in your guys' department, so then surely you would agree that pippen, who phil jackson claimed was THE leader of the bulls, turned the franchise around, who were previously 1-12 against boston, and 1-9 overall in the playoffs.

jordan, his 2 years after the second retirement, was the best player on a non playoff team. OTH, pippen led the blazers to the western conference finals his FIRST season as a blazer.

think about that for a second.
I didn't insult you, your statements did it for you.

Say Scottie Pippen was the Bulls best player, and/or leader (he was good cop to MJ's bad cop) at any gym, barber shop, or around knowledgeable fans you'd get ridiculed or laughed at.

All Pippen's development did was finally give MJ the consistent supplimental support he needed to win. Your argument would mean Wade has 2x alpha rings to LeBron's 0 in Miami. Since that's why he went to Miami, to get groomed into a leader. Wade was their rock, who already knew how to win, how to lead, and already had a ring / Finals MVP.

Bulls leaned on Pippen's support as a chemistry guy, but they needed MJ when the going got tough for his superior abilities on the floor. Scottie as leader was pouting and sitting out final seconds of playoff games when Phil asked him to play decoy when drawing up plays. Terrible leadership.

He begged Jordan to come back on tv.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-kw2PSWXhguk/UVnyfYPJhfI/AAAAAAAAAxo/1rQcszYCSh4/s1000-fcrop64=1,005e0000ffa0ffff/pippen-mj.gif

Scottie always will be the definitive basketball sidekick. Never the best player. Never the actual leader. You're essentially saying Scottie Pippen > MJ. And that it should count as 5 rings with him as best player to MJ's 1? Just typing it makes me laugh. It just comes off as though you're very upset about the fact LeBron will only go down with 2 rings as the best player on a team. And Jordan had 6 as the best player on a team.

[ImKobe]

Jordan leads this category with 6 alpha rings, he was the unquestionable MVP in all of his title runs, no comment needed.

a lot of ****ing troll posts in this thread concerning Kobe, you thought Kobe stans were horrible with making excuses, these guys are just making shit up and using them as universal facts, like anyone believes you :kobe:

Kobe has 4 alpha rings:

2001 - just look at his numbers through the first 3 rounds, he was better than Shaq for the majority of the Playoffs, excluding the Finals (where he had one bad game that brought down his numbers, but still averaged 25/8/6), led the Lakers in WS/48 with a prime Shaq on his team. Nuff said.

2002 - wasn't as dominant as 2001, but his Finals games speak for themselves, he was big time. Also showed up big time in the last 2 games of the Kings series that could have gone either way.

2009 - Just look at the numbers, alpha. Flat out dominated the Finals with his playmaking and scoring.

2010 - arguably had the best series in his Playoff history in the WCF and obviously won the Finals MVP as well...one bad Finals game doesn't take away his overall performance. Gasol was great too and deserves a share, but let's not act like Kobe wasn't the unquestionable leader and the #1 guy.

Duncan - 3 alpha rings (99, 03, 05)

James - 2 alpha rings


Alpha rings to me is putting up alpha (1st option) numbers in title runs and winning a Finals MVP is a big part of it, but Kobe's case is a bit different, since Shaq had a big role in it. But the Lakers were basically a two man team, you look at them outside of Kobe and Shaq and there really wasn't much talent there, both put up first option production and both deserve the "alpha rings" in 2001 and 2002 because you can't hate on Kobe for putting up 28/7/5/2 in the two runs combined, those are first option numbers for any perimeter player.

[97 bulls]

Lol. Scottie Pippen was never the best player on the Bulls. NEVER. Was he almost as important to their success as Jordan? Sure. Was he the Co-Leader? Yes. Mayhem has lost it.

[NZStreetBaller]

I dont care how crucial pippen was to the success of the bulls. jordan was still and will always be the man.

6 FMVPs. if pippen were really that good you'd think he'd get atleast 1.

Jordan was the ALPHA and never left his team to go chase rings. Pippen helped yes. but pippen came to him.

Jordan 6 ALPHA rings. deal with it.

[Hey Yo]

I dont care how crucial pippen was to the success of the bulls. jordan was still and will always be the man.

6 FMVPs. if pippen were really that good you'd think he'd get atleast 1.

Jordan was the ALPHA and never left his team to go chase rings. Pippen helped yes. but pippen came to him.

Jordan 6 ALPHA rings. deal with it.
He didn't ring chase cause he did what any gambling addict would do, he chose the Bulls cause they could offer the most money that could be offered. But he was very dumb to do an 8yr deal.

Pippen was traded to Chicago before putting an NBA uniform on. Not like Chicago had success and Pippen then signed on as a UFA, looking for success.

[mehyaM24]

He didn't ring chase cause he did what any gambling addict would do, he chose the Bulls cause they could offer the most money that could be offered. But he was very dumb to do an 8yr deal.

Pippen was traded to Chicago before putting an NBA uniform on. Not like Chicago had success and Pippen then signed on as a UFA, looking for success.
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i would like to add onto my last post, as i feel it may have caused confuision. in NO WAY am i saying jordan wasn't the most skilled player or best volume scorer on the team - he was. thing with pippen is, as soon as he was drafted, the bulls surged to heights never before seen in the modern era. pippen changed the culture of that team from a ONE MAN scoring machine, who postseason after postseason, would be one and done, to a first-rate and MASTER dynasty.

if we're simply discussing ALPHA rings - you ought to pippen's name for AT LEAST 4 or 5 of those titles. without him, as i've mentioned TIME AND TIME again, the bulls were 1-9 with just jordan - a horrific .11 win percentage. of course, as the years went on, and jordan eventually retired only to come back for a THIRD time, he led his team (there was NO QUESTION that jordan was the BEST player on washington) to the lottery, missing the playoffs twice. this simply can't be ignored when we look to his running mate, pippen, who in a tougher conference, led his blazer team, in his FIRST year, to the playoffs AND western conference finals.

now, obviously things aren't THIS black and white, but you cannot deny the results, especially if your go-to argument is winning, ala championships.

so, with that ALL being said, here's my updated and analyzed list:

pippen - 4/5 "alpha" rings
kobe - 1 ring
jordan - 1 ring
lebron - 2 rings (although, it really should be 3 after the heavy-lifting he did in the finals)

[pauk]

Whoever led his team to the championship as EASILY the best player on that team and especially best player in the NBA, especially if that guy also gets MVP just before playoffs..... is as ALPHA as it possibly could ever get.... im sorry....

Changing your jersey cant disregard that since that work above is the same work from anywhere else.... work is work is work is work....

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan leads this category with 6 alpha rings, he was the unquestionable MVP in all of his title runs, no comment needed.

a lot of ****ing troll posts in this thread concerning Kobe, you thought Kobe stans were horrible with making excuses, these guys are just making shit up and using them as universal facts, like anyone believes you :kobe:

Kobe has 4 alpha rings:

2001 - just look at his numbers through the first 3 rounds, he was better than Shaq for the majority of the Playoffs, excluding the Finals (where he had one bad game that brought down his numbers, but still averaged 25/8/6), led the Lakers in WS/48 with a prime Shaq on his team. Nuff said.

2002 - wasn't as dominant as 2001, but his Finals games speak for themselves, he was big time. Also showed up big time in the last 2 games of the Kings series that could have gone either way.

2009 - Just look at the numbers, alpha. Flat out dominated the Finals with his playmaking and scoring.

2010 - arguably had the best series in his Playoff history in the WCF and obviously won the Finals MVP as well...one bad Finals game doesn't take away his overall performance. Gasol was great too and deserves a share, but let's not act like Kobe wasn't the unquestionable leader and the #1 guy.

Duncan - 3 alpha rings (99, 03, 05)

James - 2 alpha rings


Alpha rings to me is putting up alpha (1st option) numbers in title runs and winning a Finals MVP is a big part of it, but Kobe's case is a bit different, since Shaq had a big role in it. But the Lakers were basically a two man team, you look at them outside of Kobe and Shaq and there really wasn't much talent there, both put up first option production and both deserve the "alpha rings" in 2001 and 2002 because you can't hate on Kobe for putting up 28/7/5/2 in the two runs combined, those are first option numbers for any perimeter player.

Kobe very clearly doesn't get an alpha ring in '02, besides the Spurs series Shaq was better at every stage of that season. Meanwhile, Duncan was the best player on the Spurs in '07 during the regular season and the first 3 rounds of the playoffs. Duncan in '07 has a significantly more legitimate claim for an alpha ring than Kobe does in '02.

Even '01, you can't give him full credit, that was a 1A/1B situation, if anything they'd split it for that year