This Needs to Be Said

[Laker Logic]

You people realize that the "alpha" and "beta" view of human interactions is one that was made popular by these "pick up artist" sites?

You realize that people who frequent those sites are desperate for help talking to women, are plagued with self esteem problems, and would likely fall 100% into the "beta" category?

You realize that the flood of "alpha" v "beta" threads, and the gospel-like stock so many of you seem to put in the theory says a lot about ISH posters in general - none of it good?

I hope so.

[sportjames23]

Gamma thread.

[navy]

So 2014.

[meat]

This site is a car accident I can't stop looking at. A collective of some of the biggest morons I've ever ran across. Can't even have a rational discussion, hence I don't participate.

[gts]

You people realize that the "alpha" and "beta" view of human interactions is one that was made popular by these "pick up artist" sites?

You realize that people who frequent those sites are desperate for help talking to women, are plagued with self esteem problems, and would likely fall 100% into the "beta" category?

You realize that the flood of "alpha" v "beta" threads, and the gospel-like stock so many of you seem to put in the theory says a lot about ISH posters in general - none of it good?

I hope so.

Long time no see... how ya doing? You should post here more often, the place misses guys like you

Understand by and large this current crop of ISH posters is the most unoriginal group of posters ever on the forum..

Copying each other, trying to out stupid the next guy and and beating the same damn topic/players/teams into the ground over and over is evidently fun or something:lol

[Laker Logic]

What's up GTS? Less time to post these days, not to mention the shitty season for my Lakers...

I think the harsh truth is that ISH has always been mostly populated by idiots - or at least it's idiots who tend to dominate most discussions.

Not mad - just makes it hard to plug in and get a feel for what people who aren't dumb are on.

[longtime lurker]

You people realize that the "alpha" and "beta" view of human interactions is one that was made popular by these "pick up artist" sites?

You realize that people who frequent those sites are desperate for help talking to women, are plagued with self esteem problems, and would likely fall 100% into the "beta" category?

You realize that the flood of "alpha" v "beta" threads, and the gospel-like stock so many of you seem to put in the theory says a lot about ISH posters in general - none of it good?

I hope so.

Sad as it is those pick up sites actually work. I don't know if that says more about them or women but I've always suspected they're filled with guys with narcissistic personality disorder.

[turret]

You people realize that the "alpha" and "beta" view of human interactions is one that was made popular by these "pick up artist" sites?

You realize that people who frequent those sites are desperate for help talking to women, are plagued with self esteem problems, and would likely fall 100% into the "beta" category?

You realize that the flood of "alpha" v "beta" threads, and the gospel-like stock so many of you seem to put in the theory says a lot about ISH posters in general - none of it good?

I hope so.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Laker Logic]

Sad as it is those pick up sites actually work.

I don't doubt it, and assume they are a guidebook to how to take advantage of women with low self esteem.

Kind of amazing though to see the whole half-assed philosophy taking on a life of its own outside of the pickup sites. Trying to imagine these kids walking into a job interview or business meeting and trying like hell to figure out whether the person across from them is alpha or beta so they can react accordingly.

It amuses me.

[JohnnySic]

PUA is for ugly/fat/short guys. That needed to be said.

[Laker Logic]

PUA is for ugly/fat/short guys. That needed to be said.

I'm more interested in what you think of the Rondo trade.

[outbreak]

all the guys who post about "alphas" seriously on this forum are ****ing idiots anyway. Most others who call someone a "beta" here are just trolling those ***** who try to use it legitimately anyway.

[Ariza4three]

OP is beta as shit.

[Megabox!]

This site is a car accident I can't stop looking at. A collective of some of the biggest morons I've ever ran across. Can't even have a rational discussion, hence I don't participate.
:roll: post of the year so far

[sejoon101]

:roll: post of the year so far

His pos5 to join date ratio makes it that much better:roll: :roll:

[gts]

What's up GTS? Less time to post these days, not to mention the shitty season for my Lakers...


Nothing much, busy with work and the family....

Shitty season yeah but you got to pay the piper sooner or later... don't get to sit at the top of the heap for as many years as they did without having to start over sometime.. new NBA can't retool on the fly like they used to

not enjoying the losses but I am interested in the rebuild and how it unfolds over the next few years so that keeps me watching... we got a couple kids that show some promise that might stick long term and the evolution of Kobe this late in his career is storyline that keeps me tuned in.

The Buss kids and how they grow into the job etc etc etc... I've seen so many great moments with this franchise i'm not feeling cheated by a few down years

[jstern]

You should not fault a whole site for the Kobe stans being so in love and obsessing with thinking that Kobe is this alpha male that must be worshiped. And wanting to let everyone know how alpha he is.

[Bandito]

You should not fault a whole site for the Kobe stans being so in love and obsessing with thinking that Kobe is this alpha male that must be worshiped. And wanting to let everyone know how alpha he is.
Let's not pretend Lestans do the contrary. They are cut from the same cloth:lol

[SpanishACB]

alphas in human society are actually a case of study and it can be defined.

the problem relies in the fact insidehoops message board members haven't picked up a book in their lifes and thus apply the definition regarding the animal kingdom, I suppose, because they saw wolf movies back at school.

In human society, Kobe Bryant isn't acting like an alpha, more like a despot or a tyrant in a position of power.

Alphas know when to take 2nd seat to betas, they know how to lower their importance, spotlight and relevance in favor of the common good. The term is used to describe effective leadership, and the outcome of that is only winning. An alpha leader is one that leads effectively and therefore has the full support of its people, not imposed. A stubborn dictator that fights hard so things always go his way isn't an alpha. Specially when "his way" doesn't translate to common good.

[stephanieg]

I think it's used mostly as a joke, but there are a lot of posters who take it seriously. You know cutting in line or eating all the cookies doesn't make you alpha, it makes you an asshole.

And there's a whole alphabet of Greek letters for pseudo-scientific dribble. I never see anyone talking about omicron males or lambda females. Too bad.

[Dresta]

It also needs to be said that 'alpha' and 'beta' and 'omega' are legit ethological categories, and that as herd animals, human beings also fit into the broad dynamic of followers and leaders, though our ability for introspection somewhat muddies the water.

These categories are certainly less arbitrary and better representative than modern personality disorder categories like the one quoted below (particularly DSM III, and onwards - these are just normal human characteristics moulded into 'disorders' in this, the era where all must be made sick and infirm).

Sad as it is those pick up sites actually work. I don't know if that says more about them or women but I've always suspected they're filled with guys with narcissistic personality disorder.
This isn't a thing (i.e. it's just been made up by psychiatrists) - why has everything got to be labelled a 'disorder'? Is the world too complicated for you to understand anything or anyone without inaccurate labels being applied to everything?

No human personality can be explained so simplistically.

[SexSymbol]

Well if you don't believe in alpha/beta philosophy, you haven't really payed attention to your own surroundings. It's pretty obvious when you look at some people and they just command respect, the way they talk, behave. Other tend to stay quiet and follow.
I guess you can categorize it into leaders and follower, alphas and betas or whatever, it's just the natural categorization of people which is, baring scientific ones, the best way to understand who's who.
Yes, if retards could fly, this place would be an airport, but the whole alpha beta categorization thing isn't only usable in PUA world

[Dresta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyDDyT1lDhA


Trusting the judgement of others over your own, being unwilling to defend your position against majority conformity, etc. = beta behaviour. Natural followers and sheep.

[retaxis]

Well if you don't believe in alpha/beta philosophy, you haven't really payed attention to your own surroundings. It's pretty obvious when you look at some people and they just command respect, the way they talk, behave. Other tend to stay quiet and follow.
I guess you can categorize it into leaders and follower, alphas and betas or whatever, it's just the natural categorization of people which is, baring scientific ones, the best way to understand who's who.
Yes, if retards could fly, this place would be an airport, but the whole alpha beta categorization thing isn't only usable in PUA world
Then you sir have no idea how real life works and I am guessing you are failing right now in life, relationships, career etc.

Say for example you see a Boss abusing his employees and being 'the man'. His employees of course 'follow' and give 'respect'. To you, you may see that as an alpha with betas following. To us normal people we see an insecure manchild who is throwing his weight around and is emotionally unstable. They think 'who would want to be friends or be in a relationship with this emotional domineering control freak? He probably cries himself to sleep everynight.'

Saying that though there is the very minute population who were born, bred and naturally gifted as leaders. I see a lot of fake 'alphas' and they are just people who wish they were like everyone else aka a wannabe beta but don't know how to get respect/love/relationships so they act like they are actually worth something. The true leaders...well everyone love them and can act casual and will follow them to the death. Thats the difference between a true leader and a fake alpha who everyone just laughs and talks about how much of an insecure little emotional child they are.

[El Kabong]

This site is a car accident I can't stop looking at. A collective of some of the biggest morons I've ever ran across. Can't even have a rational discussion, hence I don't participate.
There were always idiotic trolls on here, but at least they'd be occasionally funny. It's unbareable the amount of alpha/beta rubbish that gets spouted by guys that sound like 15 years olds on here.

My participation has slowly been dwindling more and more as the years go by. I'll stick to other sites that actually have a decent amount of people who actually want to talk about basketball.

[GimmeThat]

When people/animals are put in a closed confinment. the whole alpha/beta "order" is naturally set out.

Then the simplicity in which age/time plays in as a factor.




Closed confinement is really not much different than sub-culture.

[retaxis]

Nothing Is Worse then a fake "Alpha". They stick out like a sore thumb, trying to ignore you purposely at times or pretending to be busy when they are not. Normal people (not ones who are retarded) easily see that they are doing those pathetic little things because they are insecure of being judged for who they really are and are always trying to control every situation because of their insecurity. Real leaders don't need to control a situation, people love them and want to spend time around them. Fake alphas make people feel uneasy around them because they put down others, control the situation, act like an emotional/drama b1tch etc. Real alpha dogs and leaders make groups of people feel comfortable around them, they motivate and encourage others rather then control what they do and tell them what to do and they are not nosy insecure b1tches who u have to be careful what to say around them. We all, in life, meet people who we think are just great people to be around and have a positive aura, then we meet those try hards who have a *******y aura around them as they are constantly manipulating, stirring sh1t, decouraging those around them.

I am an occupational therapist with experience in mental health. I am not diving into the traits and symptoms of various personality disorders because it would be too complicated for most people but for the academics out there I find that a lot of the 'fake alphas' to be borderline personality as compared to narcissistic. I find they have a constant need to feel loved, like to portray the world to themselves and those around them in a black and white manner and prefer relationships to be either admiration or hate/putting others down. They are often insecure in themselves and are forced to see the world in a black and white portait which causes them to have strong/fast/fiery but also very short relationships which burns/blows up in the end. Following or being a friend with someone who has BPD often results in a rollercoaster ride ending with regret. Eg. a BPD person or fake alpha will try to bring you down in every way possible with personal attacks (because they personally fear personal attacks and are insecure) resulting in explosive endings to relationships with friends/family and loved ones.

[retaxis]

When people/animals are put in a closed confinment. the whole alpha/beta "order" is naturally set out.

Then the simplicity in which age/time plays in as a factor.




Closed confinement is really not much different than sub-culture.
"Closed Confinement" How often is someone going to be in a closed confinement? People grow up in a world dominated by social/cultural norms not closed confinement. If your tactics are only hopeful in a closed confinement that means you must provide/set up an environment similarly to that. How often do we human beings operate in 'closed environment' throughout our lives let alone each day. We go to work, do our interests/hobbies, do your domestic tasks, do our social tasks etc. We aren't in closed confinements.

[Dresta]

Nothing Is Worse then a fake "Alpha". They stick out like a sore thumb, trying to ignore you purposely at times or pretending to be busy when they are not. Normal people (not ones who are retarded) easily see that they are doing those pathetic little things because they are insecure of being judged for who they really are and are always trying to control every situation because of their insecurity. Real leaders don't need to control a situation, people love them and want to spend time around them. Fake alphas make people feel uneasy around them because they put down others, control the situation, act like an emotional/drama b1tch etc. Real alpha dogs and leaders make groups of people feel comfortable around them, they motivate and encourage others rather then control what they do and tell them what to do and they are not nosy insecure b1tches who u have to be careful what to say around them. We all, in life, meet people who we think are just great people to be around and have a positive aura, then we meet those try hards who have a *******y aura around them as they are constantly manipulating, stirring sh1t, decouraging those around them.

I am an occupational therapist with experience in mental health. I am not diving into the traits and symptoms of various personality disorders because it would be too complicated for most people but for the academics out there I find that a lot of the 'fake alphas' to be borderline personality as compared to narcissistic. I find they have a constant need to feel loved, like to portray the world to themselves and those around them in a black and white manner and prefer relationships to be either admiration or hate/putting others down. They are often insecure in themselves and are forced to see the world in a black and white portait which causes them to have strong/fast/fiery but also very short relationships which burns/blows up in the end. Following or being a friend with someone who has BPD often results in a rollercoaster ride ending with regret. Eg. a BPD person or fake alpha will try to bring you down in every way possible with personal attacks (because they personally fear personal attacks and are insecure) resulting in explosive endings to relationships with friends/family and loved ones.


:violin:


Funny, that as a mental health professional, you don't seem to be aware that every single human being exhibits these traits to varying degrees

My question is what kind of ****ed-up disorder one would need to have to consider a life as a mental-health professional? I mean, listening to the ramblings of the mentally disturbed for a living, that's a strange thing to want to do, but it certainly grants you a massive amount of power over other (vulnerable) individuals.

Is it the 'I need to feel superior and in-control of myself and my life' syndrome?

[retaxis]

:violin:


Funny, that as a mental health professional, you don't seem to be aware that every single human being exhibits these traits to varying degrees

My question is what kind of ****ed-up disorder one would need to have to consider a life as a mental-health professional? I mean, listening to the ramblings of the mentally disturbed for a living, that's a strange thing to want to do, but it certainly grants you a massive amount of power over other (vulnerable) individuals.

Is it the 'I need to feel superior and in-control of myself and my life' syndrome?
Sounds like your jealous and rambling. Thats fine you wouldn't even know where to start since your are wrong on every account.

I also might add it sounds like you have a severe mental illness. Only people with mental illness use the defence --> "every single human being exhibits these traits." Its what they tell themselves when the doctor tells them your chronically depressed. but... but... doctor...every human being can be depressed (yes b1tch but some of us are situationally depressed while your chemically/biologically depressed and an emotionally soft as a pudding) <- example. Same can be stated with PDs. we can all exhibit symptoms but some of us..well lets just say those symptoms control their lives and affect/hinder their ability to maintain and sustain or gain the things they want in life. Thats when its called a mental illness.

Oh By the way you mentally challenged pencil d1ck prick. You don't know what an OT is, You don't know the conceptual models OT work under (functionality based) and you sure as hell don't know anything about the Role of the OT in mental health (As I stated I have experience but never reported that I am currently working in mental Health as mental health is a very small sector of OT). So please go twiddle your two thumbs together and pretend like you actually know something. Its what your good at, pretending that you actually have a handle on things when you actually have no clue whatsoever. P.S one thing I didn't mention about BPD is how they attack everyone who mentions their weaknesses. Looks like you couldn't help but try and have a go at me because i ticked too many boxes in your miserable little life and the way you see the world. you must be so angry that there are people out there who see right through your insecurities, weaknesses and your domineering/controlling ways. Man I would hate if someone had me figured out like that but then again people with mental illnesses normally aren't that smart anyway so you certainly fit the bill in various situations.

[GimmeThat]

"Closed Confinement" How often is someone going to be in a closed confinement? People grow up in a world dominated by social/cultural norms not closed confinement. If your tactics are only hopeful in a closed confinement that means you must provide/set up an environment similarly to that. How often do we human beings operate in 'closed environment' throughout our lives let alone each day. We go to work, do our interests/hobbies, do your domestic tasks, do our social tasks etc. We aren't in closed confinements.


Subject.

[Dresta]

Sounds like your jealous and rambling. Thats fine you wouldn't even know where to start since your are wrong on every account.
:roll:


Looks like it is you who doesn't know where to start as a mental health professional, and who doesn't even have a medium of communication with which you can communicate effectively. Having a good understanding of language, and the astute use of imagery and evocative metaphors are skills that any competent mental health professional should be able to utilise. Then again, occupational therapy has always been a magnet for mediocrities who want to 'help' others (when they really mean have power and influence over others, and when this is the means they use to 'help' themselves).

Jealous of what? Rambling about what? Are you deliberately trying to be evasive and to look completely clueless? Or are you doing these things by accident? It seems you have no argument aside from 'stop being jealous' (didn't your education in mental health teach you that this doesn't constitute a valid argument?).

I suggest you read the book 'The Romance of American Psychology' - if you are even capable of reading a book that long, that is. You might learn something about just how arbitrary and vague these categories are, and how Psychology foists insecurities onto people so as to create a self-perpetuating and growing industry for itself. The US is the most psychoanalysed nation on the planet, and it is also the most depressed and the most drugged-up - please explain this coincidence to me.

God, the thought that imbeciles like you are out there telling people what to do and what to think is a depressing one, that's for sure.

[retaxis]

:roll:


Looks like it is you who doesn't know where to start as a mental health professional, and who doesn't even have a medium of communication with which you can communicate effectively. Having a good understanding of language, and the astute use of imagery and evocative metaphors are skills that any competent mental health professional should be able to utilise. Then again, occupational therapy has always been a magnet for mediocrities who want to 'help' others (when they really mean have power and influence over others, and when this is the means they use to 'help' themselves).

Jealous of what? Rambling about what? Are you deliberately trying to be evasive and to look completely clueless? Or are you doing these things by accident? It seems you have no argument aside from 'stop being jealous' (didn't your education in mental health teach you that this doesn't constitute a valid argument?).

I suggest you read the book 'The Romance of American Psychology' - if you are even capable of reading a book that long, that is. You might learn something about just how arbitrary and vague these categories are, and how Psychology foists insecurities onto people so as to create a self-perpetuating and growing industry for itself. The US is the most psychoanalysed nation on the planet, and it is also the most depressed and the most drugged-up - please explain this coincidence to me.

God, the thought that imbeciles like you are out there telling people what to do and what to think is a depressing one, that's for sure.
Child please, if your focusing on spelling rather then debate on ISH of all places, You need to look hard and deep into your life.

I also might add it sounds like you have a severe mental illness. Only people with mental illness use the defence --> "every single human being exhibits these traits." Its what they tell themselves when the doctor tells them your chronically depressed. but... but... doctor...every human being can be depressed (yes b1tch but some of us are situationally depressed while your chemically/biologically depressed and an emotionally soft as a pudding) <- example. Same can be stated with PDs. we can all exhibit symptoms but some of us..well lets just say those symptoms control their lives and affect/hinder their ability to maintain and sustain or gain the things they want in life. Thats when its called a mental illness.

Oh By the way you mentally challenged pencil d1ck prick. You don't know what an OT is, You don't know the conceptual models OT work under (functionality based) and you sure as hell don't know anything about the Role of the OT in mental health (As I stated I have experience but never reported that I am currently working in mental Health as mental health is a very small sector of OT). So please go twiddle your two thumbs together and pretend like you actually know something. Its what your good at, pretending that you actually have a handle on things when you actually have no clue whatsoever. P.S one thing I didn't mention about BPD is how they attack everyone who mentions their weaknesses. Looks like you couldn't help but try and have a go at me because i ticked too many boxes in your miserable little life and the way you see the world. you must be so angry that there are people out there who see right through your insecurities, weaknesses and your domineering/controlling ways. Man I would hate if someone had me figured out like that but then again people with mental illnesses normally aren't that smart anyway so you certainly fit the bill in various situations.

[SpanishACB]

:roll:


Looks like it is you who doesn't know where to start as a mental health professional, and who doesn't even have a medium of communication with which you can communicate effectively. Having a good understanding of language, and the astute use of imagery and evocative metaphors are skills that any competent mental health professional should be able to utilise. Then again, occupational therapy has always been a magnet for mediocrities who want to 'help' others (when they really mean have power and influence over others, and when this is the means they use to 'help' themselves).

Jealous of what? Rambling about what? Are you deliberately trying to be evasive and to look completely clueless? Or are you doing these things by accident? It seems you have no argument aside from 'stop being jealous' (didn't your education in mental health teach you that this doesn't constitute a valid argument?).

I suggest you read the book 'The Romance of American Psychology' - if you are even capable of reading a book that long, that is. You might learn something about just how arbitrary and vague these categories are, and how Psychology foists insecurities onto people so as to create a self-perpetuating and growing industry for itself. The US is the most psychoanalysed nation on the planet, and it is also the most depressed and the most drugged-up - please explain this coincidence to me.

God, the thought that imbeciles like you are out there telling people what to do and what to think is a depressing one, that's for sure.

ouch

[SpanishACB]

Child please, if your focusing on spelling rather then debate on ISH of all places, You need to look hard and deep into your life.

I also might add it sounds like you have a severe mental illness. Only people with mental illness use the defence --> "every single human being exhibits these traits." Its what they tell themselves when the doctor tells them your chronically depressed. but... but... doctor...every human being can be depressed (yes b1tch but some of us are situationally depressed while your chemically/biologically depressed and an emotionally soft as a pudding) <- example. Same can be stated with PDs. we can all exhibit symptoms but some of us..well lets just say those symptoms control their lives and affect/hinder their ability to maintain and sustain or gain the things they want in life. Thats when its called a mental illness.

Oh By the way you mentally challenged pencil d1ck prick. You don't know what an OT is, You don't know the conceptual models OT work under (functionality based) and you sure as hell don't know anything about the Role of the OT in mental health (As I stated I have experience but never reported that I am currently working in mental Health as mental health is a very small sector of OT). So please go twiddle your two thumbs together and pretend like you actually know something. Its what your good at, pretending that you actually have a handle on things when you actually have no clue whatsoever. P.S one thing I didn't mention about BPD is how they attack everyone who mentions their weaknesses. Looks like you couldn't help but try and have a go at me because i ticked too many boxes in your miserable little life and the way you see the world. you must be so angry that there are people out there who see right through your insecurities, weaknesses and your domineering/controlling ways. Man I would hate if someone had me figured out like that but then again people with mental illnesses normally aren't that smart anyway so you certainly fit the bill in various situations.

you're a 20 year old in college that thinks he has the world figured out

most of us go throught that stage, don't worry; wait until you get out there

[retaxis]

you're a 20 year old in college that thinks he has the world figured out

most of us go throught that stage, don't worry; wait until you get out there
Please child, My paycheck from my company says something different. I wish I was 20 years old again, Smoking weed, working in security while going to uni, relaxing with my friends. Those were the good old days but now i have 4 years of clinical experience and will be a senior this year when I am turning 27.

I love personal attacks especially from ISH, It just shows how deep i have carved into the insecurities of the mentally ill/unstable. Thats why I don't work in Mental Health anymore (work in Rehabilitation and Aged care OT sector) because people with Mental issues have no cure. They are so predictable with their insults when they feel like someone has ticked too many boxes in their life. I am glad I can demonstrate awareness for everyone who reads these boards so more mentally ill people with PDs are caught out for the fraud, insecure, controlling little b1tches they are. I am doing a public service and people like you with mental issues obviously aren't too happy with regular folks knowing what sort of crappy sh1t you get up to :) You have been caught out.

[SpanishACB]

Please child, My paycheck from my company says something different. I wish I was 20 years old again, Smoking weed, working in security while going to uni, relaxing with my friends. Those were the good old days but now i have 4 years of clinical experience and will be a senior this year when I am turning 27.

No one with any kinds of success talks that way about paychecks nor feels the need to defend such claims on the internet whilst getting defensive and calling everyone children.

Sorry to burst your bubble but just becasue your act appears fool proof and with no weak links to you, there's people out there with a more accurate perception of things, the most intelligent of people understand this humbling fact, eventually. It's 20 year olds with a couple of live experiences that think common sense and acts will get them so far, but it's only getting you so far: you're just another amusing idiot on a forum, no one believes you make any money or have any sort of success buddy!

[n00bie]

:roll:


Looks like it is you who doesn't know where to start as a mental health professional, and who doesn't even have a medium of communication with which you can communicate effectively. Having a good understanding of language, and the astute use of imagery and evocative metaphors are skills that any competent mental health professional should be able to utilise. Then again, occupational therapy has always been a magnet for mediocrities who want to 'help' others (when they really mean have power and influence over others, and when this is the means they use to 'help' themselves).

Jealous of what? Rambling about what? Are you deliberately trying to be evasive and to look completely clueless? Or are you doing these things by accident? It seems you have no argument aside from 'stop being jealous' (didn't your education in mental health teach you that this doesn't constitute a valid argument?).

I suggest you read the book 'The Romance of American Psychology' - if you are even capable of reading a book that long, that is. You might learn something about just how arbitrary and vague these categories are, and how Psychology foists insecurities onto people so as to create a self-perpetuating and growing industry for itself. The US is the most psychoanalysed nation on the planet, and it is also the most depressed and the most drugged-up - please explain this coincidence to me.

God, the thought that imbeciles like you are out there telling people what to do and what to think is a depressing one, that's for sure.




Sorry to break it to you folks but if your not an Alpha aka 1 in 10000 (your not trust me) and you know your not an average joe, your a wannabe Beta. Sorry to break it to you but someone had to, can't let you delude yourself till your sitting in your underwear eating maccas at 3am in the middle of the night when your 30 thinking your alpha. I know not everyone can be a true alpha like me but hey, the trick to being a true alpha dog is not even trying, you simply are.

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364200

He definitely doesn't know the difference between "your" & "you're"

:facepalm

[themurph]

You people realize that the "alpha" and "beta" view of human interactions is one that was made popular by these "pick up artist" sites?

You realize that people who frequent those sites are desperate for help talking to women, are plagued with self esteem problems, and would likely fall 100% into the "beta" category?

You realize that the flood of "alpha" v "beta" threads, and the gospel-like stock so many of you seem to put in the theory says a lot about ISH posters in general - none of it good?

I hope so.


The only thing it says is this site is VERY young....

[Dresta]

I also might add it sounds like you have a severe mental illness. Only people with mental illness use the defence --> "every single human being exhibits these traits." Its what they tell themselves when the doctor tells them your chronically depressed. but... but... doctor...every human being can be depressed (yes b1tch but some of us are situationally depressed while your chemically/biologically depressed and an emotionally soft as a pudding) <- example. Same can be stated with PDs. we can all exhibit symptoms but some of us..well lets just say those symptoms control their lives and affect/hinder their ability to maintain and sustain or gain the things they want in life. Thats when its called a mental illness.

Oh By the way you mentally challenged pencil d1ck prick. You don't know what an OT is, You don't know the conceptual models OT work under (functionality based) and you sure as hell don't know anything about the Role of the OT in mental health (As I stated I have experience but never reported that I am currently working in mental Health as mental health is a very small sector of OT). So please go twiddle your two thumbs together and pretend like you actually know something. Its what your good at, pretending that you actually have a handle on things when you actually have no clue whatsoever. P.S one thing I didn't mention about BPD is how they attack everyone who mentions their weaknesses. Looks like you couldn't help but try and have a go at me because i ticked too many boxes in your miserable little life and the way you see the world. you must be so angry that there are people out there who see right through your insecurities, weaknesses and your domineering/controlling ways. Man I would hate if someone had me figured out like that but then again people with mental illnesses normally aren't that smart anyway so you certainly fit the bill in various situations.
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Oh, that's a classic one. Distorting language and definitions so that anyone who denies your arbitrary classifications is automatically mentally ill. This way you can never lose any argument, no, you don't even have to bother having arguments, you are correct by default!

Yes, i'm sure you would 'diagnose' me with a mental illness, just as every reasonably independent and thoughtful human being in human history would also be diagnosed. Anyway, i think it is you who has Borderline personality disorder, as otherwise, why would you attack me so hatefully simply for mentioning one of your weaknesses. Lets see whose behaviour constitutes the more mentally unstable here. I posted this:


Funny, that as a mental health professional, you don't seem to be aware that every single human being exhibits these traits to varying degrees

My question is what kind of ****ed-up disorder one would need to have to consider a life as a mental-health professional? I mean, listening to the ramblings of the mentally disturbed for a living, that's a strange thing to want to do, but it certainly grants you a massive amount of power over other (vulnerable) individuals.

Is it the 'I need to feel superior and in-control of myself and my life' syndrome?

Relatively harmless, and only a single thing pertaining to yourself (how you wouldn't acknowledge the ubiquity of these characteristics - something quite justifiable considering i have had insecure friends inquire to me 'whether they might have BPD' - you know, because it's so vague it could catch a lot of people, provided they are also insecure about themselves). The rest of this post was jokey and not applicable to all or you (i know and respect a few psychiatrists, but that doesn't mean this analysis isn't valid for many).

You took this incredibly personally, and responded with this angry and fatuous nonsense declaring me mentally ill (again, how do you categorise or measure this? I am officially on the mentally sound register, who are you to declare otherwise?:


I also might add it sounds like you have a severe mental illness. Only people with mental illness use the defence --> "every single human being exhibits these traits." Its what they tell themselves when the doctor tells them your chronically depressed. but... but... doctor...every human being can be depressed (yes b1tch but some of us are situationally depressed while your chemically/biologically depressed and an emotionally soft as a pudding) <- example. Same can be stated with PDs. we can all exhibit symptoms but some of us..well lets just say those symptoms control their lives and affect/hinder their ability to maintain and sustain or gain the things they want in life. Thats when its called a mental illness.


and so on... see above
Funnily enough, all that rambling about OT has no relation to anything i said, and is a rather puerile attempt to justify yourself and your occupation when nobody really cares.

Hey, maybe we're two BPD's going at it eh? What makes you so special so as to avoid classification? Is it because you've worked in mental health? So you're saying that working in mental health allows you immunity from mental illness, and also the right to declare others mentally unwell? That sounds like quite a privilege and a power you know, one that is fairly unaccountable, and which allows unprecedented control over the minds of others through medication. This was my original point (the one that elicited so much vitriol and anger from your mentally-sound self), and you seem to have finished making it for me - thanks.

[Dresta]

Please child, My paycheck from my company says something different. I wish I was 20 years old again, Smoking weed, working in security while going to uni, relaxing with my friends. Those were the good old days but now i have 4 years of clinical experience and will be a senior this year when I am turning 27.

I love personal attacks especially from ISH, It just shows how deep i have carved into the insecurities of the mentally ill/unstable. Thats why I don't work in Mental Health anymore (work in Rehabilitation and Aged care OT sector) because people with Mental issues have no cure. They are so predictable with their insults when they feel like someone has ticked too many boxes in their life. I am glad I can demonstrate awareness for everyone who reads these boards so more mentally ill people with PDs are caught out for the fraud, insecure, controlling little b1tches they are. I am doing a public service and people like you with mental issues obviously aren't too happy with regular folks knowing what sort of crappy sh1t you get up to :) You have been caught out.I'm starting to worry about you dude, i think you might be seriously mentally disturbed. I'm annoyed i wasted time replying to your posts now, as only the psychotically deluded could think that this is not a personal attack:


Child please, if your focusing on spelling rather then debate on ISH of all places, You need to look hard and deep into your life.

I also might add it sounds like you have a severe mental illness. Only people with mental illness use the defence --> "every single human being exhibits these traits." Its what they tell themselves when the doctor tells them your chronically depressed. but... but... doctor...every human being can be depressed (yes b1tch but some of us are situationally depressed while your chemically/biologically depressed and an emotionally soft as a pudding) <- example. Same can be stated with PDs. we can all exhibit symptoms but some of us..well lets just say those symptoms control their lives and affect/hinder their ability to maintain and sustain or gain the things they want in life. Thats when its called a mental illness.

Oh By the way you mentally challenged pencil d1ck prick. You don't know what an OT is, You don't know the conceptual models OT work under (functionality based) and you sure as hell don't know anything about the Role of the OT in mental health (As I stated I have experience but never reported that I am currently working in mental Health as mental health is a very small sector of OT). So please go twiddle your two thumbs together and pretend like you actually know something. Its what your good at, pretending that you actually have a handle on things when you actually have no clue whatsoever. P.S one thing I didn't mention about BPD is how they attack everyone who mentions their weaknesses. Looks like you couldn't help but try and have a go at me because i ticked too many boxes in your miserable little life and the way you see the world. you must be so angry that there are people out there who see right through your insecurities, weaknesses and your domineering/controlling ways. Man I would hate if someone had me figured out like that but then again people with mental illnesses normally aren't that smart anyway so you certainly fit the bill in various situations.

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No personal attacks DERRR....

Also, despite being in your 20s, you appear to be calling everyone who disagrees with you 'child.'

I might also add that proper spelling and grammar are necessary for any intelligent debate. The more intelligent the debate, the MORE important the accuracy of the language, because when subjects become more technical, it is important to be more precise. Your inability to write properly prevents you from being able to discuss anything with intelligence, as your posts so clearly show.

[retaxis]

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Oh, that's a classic one. Distorting language and definitions so that anyone who denies your arbitrary classifications is automatically mentally ill. This way you can never lose any argument, no, you don't even have to bother having arguments, you are correct by default!

Yes, i'm sure you would 'diagnose' me with a mental illness, just as every reasonably independent and thoughtful human being in human history would also be diagnosed. Anyway, i think it is you who has Borderline personality disorder, as otherwise, why would you attack me so hatefully simply for mentioning one of your weaknesses. Lets see whose behaviour constitutes the more mentally unstable here. I posted this:



Relatively harmless, and only a single thing pertaining to yourself (how you wouldn't acknowledge the ubiquity of these characteristics - something quite justifiable considering i have had insecure friends inquire to me 'whether they might have BPD' - you know, because it's so vague it could catch a lot of people, provided they are also insecure about themselves). The rest of this post was jokey and not applicable to all or you (i know and respect a few psychiatrists, but that doesn't mean this analysis isn't valid for many).

You took this incredibly personally, and responded with this angry and fatuous nonsense declaring me mentally ill (again, how do you categorise or measure this? I am officially on the mentally sound register, who are you to declare otherwise?:


Funnily enough, all that rambling about OT has no relation to anything i said, and is a rather puerile attempt to justify yourself and your occupation when nobody really cares.

Hey, maybe we're two BPD's going at it eh? What makes you so special so as to avoid classification? Is it because you've worked in mental health? So you're saying that working in mental health allows you immunity from mental illness, and also the right to declare others mentally unwell? That sounds like quite a privilege and a power you know, one that is fairly unaccountable, and which allows unprecedented control over the minds of others through medication. This was my original point (the one that elicited so much vitriol and anger from your mentally-sound self), and you seem to have finished making it for me - thanks.
You have put some effort into the posts and decreased your rambling/trolling so I will give you an answer. The diagnosis of BPD and related disorders is not about whether they tick the boxes but as I have stated earlier, whether it affects their ability to function. What is function? It is their ability to gain, sustain and maintain meaningful relationships. That is the key sentence "Ability to gain, sustain and maintain meaningful relationships." You could be whoever, do whatever but if you come to me with these issues clearly affecting your life, then you may very likely have a personality disorder of the various clusters. On the other hand you may have the same issues but it is not affecting your ability to sustain and maintain meaningful relationships with long term friends, partners family members then it doesn't matter does it? So what was your point? I am going to sleep now but if you do want to actually discuss something I am more than happy to discuss and reply to your posts. P.S your posts were a jab at what I use to do (as I stated I no longer work as a mental health OT rather rehabilitation and aged care OT) when you did not know the role, conceptual models for treatment/assessment or understanding of diagnosis/impact. Like i said I am happy to discuss this and reply to this tomorrow if you have a non-troll related post.

[retaxis]

While I have a bit of spare time i will reply to your so called "point"

Hey, maybe we're two BPD's going at it eh?
Maybe but I know I am not BPD i am something completely different.

What makes you so special so as to avoid classification?
When Did I say that?

Is it because you've worked in mental health?
Thats what i call continuous rambling

So you're saying that working in mental health allows you immunity from mental illness and also the right to declare others mentally unwell?
Again I call that continuous rambling of something I obviously did not say

That sounds like quite a privilege and a power you know, one that is fairly unaccountable, and which allows unprecedented control over the minds of others through medication.
I don't think you know how it works. Anyone can read a book. get a degree or a masters (like I did) and put some valid points in to actually discuss. I am not American so I can not discuss your laws but as far as I know BPD is normally not treated with any medication unless they have other mental illness associated.


This was my original point (the one that elicited so much vitriol and anger from your mentally-sound self), and you seem to have finished making it for me - thanks.
That was hardly a point, more of a statement made by someone who read a book but has no idea of the background, understanding of the fine details of the prescribed medications they wish to discuss, treatment methods they wish to discuss or anything I can really help you with there.

So you know a bit about me, Tell me a bit about yourself and why you are interested in psychology. As a hobby perhaps? Maybe a doctor diagnosed you or said you had strong traits and you are unhappy with what they said and read books on how the system is corrupt/wrong etc? Just remember if you are looking for something, you are bound to find it in a book somewhere. i can look up and find books on how the moon landing never happened, or how hitler never killed millions of jews or how a small group of super rich control the world. If you want something you can always find what you want, written by someone who wants the same thing. If you like to discuss, i like to discuss from an evidenced based practice POV not a oh well this book said that, that book said this, I was told that, blah blah blah.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You people realize that the "alpha" and "beta" view of human interactions is one that was made popular by these "pick up artist" sites?

You realize that people who frequent those sites are desperate for help talking to women, are plagued with self esteem problems, and would likely fall 100% into the "beta" category?

You realize that the flood of "alpha" v "beta" threads, and the gospel-like stock so many of you seem to put in the theory says a lot about ISH posters in general - none of it good?

I hope so.
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Then you sir have no idea how real life works and I am guessing you are failing right now in life, relationships, career etc.

Say for example you see a Boss abusing his employees and being 'the man'. His employees of course 'follow' and give 'respect'. To you, you may see that as an alpha with betas following. To us normal people we see an insecure manchild who is throwing his weight around and is emotionally unstable. They think 'who would want to be friends or be in a relationship with this emotional domineering control freak? He probably cries himself to sleep everynight.'

Saying that though there is the very minute population who were born, bred and naturally gifted as leaders. I see a lot of fake 'alphas' and they are just people who wish they were like everyone else aka a wannabe beta but don't know how to get respect/love/relationships so they act like they are actually worth something. The true leaders...well everyone love them and can act casual and will follow them to the death. Thats the difference between a true leader and a fake alpha who everyone just laughs and talks about how much of an insecure little emotional child they are.:applause:

[Dresta]

You have put some effort into the posts and decreased your rambling/trolling so I will give you an answer. The diagnosis of BPD and related disorders is not about whether they tick the boxes but as I have stated earlier, whether it affects their ability to function. What is function? It is their ability to gain, sustain and maintain meaningful relationships. That is the key sentence "Ability to gain, sustain and maintain meaningful relationships." You could be whoever, do whatever but if you come to me with these issues clearly affecting your life, then you may very likely have a personality disorder of the various clusters. On the other hand you may have the same issues but it is not affecting your ability to sustain and maintain meaningful relationships with long term friends, partners family members then it doesn't matter does it? So what was your point? I am going to sleep now but if you do want to actually discuss something I am more than happy to discuss and reply to your posts. P.S your posts were a jab at what I use to do (as I stated I no longer work as a mental health OT rather rehabilitation and aged care OT) when you did not know the role, conceptual models for treatment/assessment or understanding of diagnosis/impact. Like i said I am happy to discuss this and reply to this tomorrow if you have a non-troll related post.
Right, so it is completely arbitrary. How many people really unable to 'gain, sustain, and maintain meaningful relationships' (as in, none?), not many i would surmise, and how many don't have issues in trying to sustain and maintain their personal relationships with people who are different from themselves? Again, i would surmise, not many - many people are simply incompatible, and many others maintain social harmony by sticking to people who are similar to them. It seems you are arguing for little more than the conditioning of people to act in socially acceptable ways - didn't this used to lie under the remit of the family, didn't the family manage this more effectively, and without creating a vast new industry of dependence?

The reason i don't like these categories is because:
1. They don't exist and are used mostly for convenience.
2. They make mental health professionals increasingly free and loose with their diagnoses. I've known a lot of people, particularly when growing up (late teens in particular, who were diagnosed with either anxiety or depression, and placed on medication, despite their angst being a pretty normal aspect of the pains of growing up, and properly severing yourself from childhood existence, because it is harder to leave these days, as we are babied as children). You don't medicate people who are barely even yet self-aware and who are changing rapidly unless it is an absolute necessity (i.e suicide risk - 'suicidal thoughts' does not constitute this, and never has).
3. They provide a guidebook for psychiatrists that allows them to be lazy, and provides a map for the mediocre to pull themselves along. Psychiatric treatment needs to be personal, and catered to the idiosyncrasies of each individual, rather than a simple textbook prescription. If someone comes to you and says they are depressed it does not mean you give them an anti-depressant. I have now seen these drugs prescribed for anxiety, depression, insomnia, and even pain. Lets not deny that this is a booming industry, and that it is paying to make everyone a victim.


edit: why am i interested in psychology? Oh, maybe it's because ever since it and its vapid philosophy of happiness became institutionalised by the state, people have become more depressed, more anxious, more fat and useless and dependent on others, all justifying a further need for new armies of mental health professionals, who have created most of the problems they claim to be dealing with.

Its effects, taken as a whole, have been disastrous. So why the **** would i not be interested in such a ****ing calamity, ushered in by miscreants like yourself, who think they are doing good, but are really just leeching off society while creating more leeches?

Obviously you like it as having people dependent on you is good for a human being's self-esteem, but i'm simply trying to look at things objectively; it is you that has a clear personal stake in this matter, and this is why you got so upset so easily.

And, jesus, just take a quick look at the psych forums:

http://www.psychforums.com/borderline-personality/topic154338.html

How anyone can even browse half an hour on there and still think this kind of collective identification under an arbitrary classification isn't a ****ing train-wreck is beyond me. They've shown time and time again that such labelling and classification only reinforces these behaviours and tendencies, making them that much more difficult for the individual to ignore or eradicate. Not only that, but many then don't even want to change as their disorder gives them victimhood status, something that is much esteemed in today's society.

I've never been able to see people in the plain black-and-white manner that you seem to be able to. Real life is much more complex and we continue to be massively ignorant about the brain and about consciousness (so why pretend otherwise?).

[nightprowler10]

This site is a car accident I can't stop looking at. A collective of some of the biggest morons I've ever ran across. Can't even have a rational discussion, hence I don't participate.
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