Pau's stats in the 60's?

[sundizz]

Anybody know what he'd put up?

I'd guess 35, 17 and 15. He could definitely score at will but he has that passing big man's mentality.

[Marchesk]

Anybody know what he'd put up?

I'd guess 35, 17 and 15. He could definitely score at will but he has that passing big man's mentality.

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/campus-rivalry/2011/01/26/robertsonx-large.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

Whatever Darrall Imhoff put up.

[scandisk_]

22/8/4

[sundizz]

Whatever Darrall Imhoff put up.

Glad you understand basketball so well. Comparing a super skilled (arguably most skilled in the league currently) player like Pau to a guy that couldn't score more than 13 ppg and shot under 60% from the ft line for his career with rpg under 8. Lol. Tell me more oh great evaluator of talent.

[CavaliersFTW]

Glad you understand basketball so well. Comparing a super skilled (arguably most skilled in the league currently) player like Pau to a guy that couldn't score more than 13 ppg and shot under 60% from the ft line for his career with rpg under 8. Lol. Tell me more oh great evaluator of talent.
Sarcasm. Realistically he'd be more like a mix of Rudy LaRusso and Mel Counts.

And Wilt would shell him with multiple 60 point volleys. Could prob score 100 points on him.

[Deuce Bigalow]

FMVP would be named after him

[Deuce Bigalow]

Sarcasm. Realistically he'd be more like a mix of Rudy LaRusso and Mel Counts.

And Wilt would shell him with multiple 60 point volleys. Could prob score 100 points on him.
Pau would make Wilt look like Dwight Howard in the 09 Finals

[livinglegend]

another recycled thread with recycled comments in it. :facepalm Step up your games!

[navy]

Pau would make Wilt look like Dwight Howard in the 09 Finals
Tall white guy. Wilt has never seen such a specimen.

[SpanishACB]

are we gonna act like Pau can't outsmart Wilt?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

44/19/15/9 Multiple titles

[nycelt84]

22/8/4

Agreed but I think it would be more like 11-12 rebounds a game.

[LAZERUSS]

are we gonna act like Pau can't outsmart Wilt?

He would be the first to do so then.

[LAZERUSS]

44/19/15/9 Multiple titles

Those look like a washed up McAdoo's numbers in the Euro Leagues.

You know, the McAdoo that would dominate the NBA in the mid-70's. The same McAdoo that an old Wilt, in his LAST season, just ANNIHILATED.


vs. McAdoo in 4 H2H's:

McAdoo: 16.8 ppg, 8.8 rpg, .450 FG%

Wilt: 20.5 ppg, 21.3 rpg, .850 FG%



Sorry, but we are talking about the NBA in the 60's, not Gasol in the current Euro League here.

[SexSymbol]

30-20-7 with 5 blocks per game at the very least.
It was a much weaker league for a reason, current Pau would be the best ball hander, passer, rebounder, post player, shooter in the league.

[Psileas]

1st season: 4.2 mpg, 2.0 flops per game, resulting to 2.0 technicals per game, because the game was played by men, not *******.

2nd season: 30/20, because he'd have returned swimming to Europe. :oldlol:

[sundizz]

1st season: 4.2 mpg, 2.0 flops per game, resulting to 2.0 technicals per game, because the game was played by men, not *******.

2nd season: 30/20, because he'd have returned swimming to Europe. :oldlol:

So what you are saying is that a 7 footer with skills to rival any guard wouldn't be able to play in the 60's :roll: Must of been some damn good store clerks walking around back then. Probably didn't even need to double bag milk.

[Psileas]

So what you are saying is that a 7 footer with skills to rival any guard wouldn't be able to play in the 60's Must of been some damn good store clerks walking around back then. Probably didn't even need to double bag milk.

So, what you're saying is that Pau Gasol, who has been unable to average 35 ppg against the worst centers of the worst era in the history of the position, would be able to do so in the GOAT era in the history of the position, playing 25% of his games against Wilt and Russell. Gasol hasn't be able to average 35 on the random unknown stiff, hell, he hasn't been able to average 35 playing vs Euro competition, but he'd be able to do so while routinely facing 2 of the 4 GOAT centers. :roll:

So, what you're saying is that Pau Gasol, vs the same competition, would basically have doubled his rebounds. :roll:

So, what you're saying is that Pau Gasol, who has a career usage rate of 23.5 and has averaged only 3.3 apg has the skills of a guard and would double the assists of Cousy. :roll:

Your trolling is so weak that I could "be dissing" Gasol all day long and still be closer to the truth.

Yes, they were some damn good clerks. Some even used b!tches to help them, and Gasol would have provided some good help himself. :applause:

[sundizz]

So, what you're saying is that Pau Gasol, who has been unable to average 35 ppg against the worst centers of the worst era in the history of the position, would be able to do so in the GOAT era in the history of the position, playing 25% of his games against Wilt and Russell. Gasol hasn't be able to average 35 on the random unknown stiff, hell, he hasn't been able to average 35 playing vs Euro competition, but he'd be able to do so while routinely facing 2 of the 4 GOAT centers. :roll:

So, what you're saying is that Pau Gasol, vs the same competition, would basically have doubled his rebounds. :roll:

So, what you're saying is that Pau Gasol, who has a career usage rate of 23.5 and has averaged only 3.3 apg has the skills of a guard and would double the assists of Cousy. :roll:

Your trolling is so weak that I could "be dissing" Gasol all day long and still be closer to the truth.

Yes, they were some damn good clerks. Some even used b!tches to help them, and Gasol would have provided some good help himself. :applause:

Do you honestly believe that the 60's was the GOAT era in terms of centers? How is that even logical.

# of people that wanted to be NBA players in the 60's:
30 million out of the entire world population (which also was much smaller)

# of people that want to be NBA players currently:
300 million+

And back in those days many black people wouldn't of even been given the chance to play/develop etc.

It's simply ludicrous to say that given the much bigger talent pool to choose from, the competition to get to the NBA, etc that the era of the 60's had the best talent of the world in the league at that time.

It's not that humans have evolved or changed, but rather the ability of the NBA to draw these supersize humans has changed. Ur going to sit around and act like there weren't 7 footers around back then that could of been amazing but hadn't made it to the NBA because of lack of exposure. Nowadays, some random tall kid from a rural village in India gets training etc to try and become a NBA player.

:facepalm :facepalm

[Helix]

So, what you're saying is that Pau Gasol, who has been unable to average 35 ppg against the worst centers of the worst era in the history of the position, would be able to do so in the GOAT era in the history of the position, playing 25% of his games against Wilt and Russell. Gasol hasn't be able to average 35 on the random unknown stiff, hell, he hasn't been able to average 35 playing vs Euro competition, but he'd be able to do so while routinely facing 2 of the 4 GOAT centers.


And don't forget Thurmond and Reed. Hell, Gasol would have a tough time even against Bellamy and Beaty. The best Gasol would ever be is right where he is...........in today's weak ass era.

[LAZERUSS]

Do you honestly believe that the 60's was the GOAT era in terms of centers? How is that even logical.

# of people that wanted to be NBA players in the 60's:
30 million out of the entire world population (which also was much smaller)

# of people that want to be NBA players currently:
300 million+

And back in those days many black people wouldn't of even been given the chance to play/develop etc.

It's simply ludicrous to say that given the much bigger talent pool to choose from, the competition to get to the NBA, etc that the era of the 60's had the best talent of the world in the league at that time.

It's not that humans have evolved or changed, but rather the ability of the NBA to draw these supersize humans has changed. Ur going to sit around and act like there weren't 7 footers around back then that could of been amazing but hadn't made it to the NBA because of lack of exposure. Nowadays, some random tall kid from a rural village in India gets training etc to try and become a NBA player.

:facepalm :facepalm

I have blown the "population explosion" to shreds before. But let me ask you this...how many MJ's, Magic's, Rodman's, Shaq's, and KAJ's are playing in the league TODAY? Hell, Hakeem could be considered a "foreigner" (albeit, all of his skills were developed in the U.S.), but even since him, how many other "Hakeem's" are popping up in the NBA TODAY?

Furthermore, with this much larger population to draw from, and with all of the so-called benefits of modern training, how come players TODAY, are shooting FT's WORSE, than in the late 50's (and much worse than in the mid-70's)?

And how about the CENTERS of TODAY? How do explain that two of the best centers of TODAY, DeAndre Jordan and Andre Drummong literally have no post skills, and can't shoot from three-feet away?

Furthermore, shouldn't the NBA be FILLED with true seven-footers, like KAJ and Wilt? How come those two centers I just mentioned, DJ and Drummond, are both under 6-10? Same with DeMarcus Cousins, who is just dominating the position? Hell, how is it that a 6-6 guy like Chuck Hayes has been a STARTER at CENTER in the current NBA?

How do explain a Ricky Rubio, who as a starter, shot .368 from the field, just a couple of years ago? How do explain a 6-8 Kevin Love, with very little athletcism, running away with a rpg title, and in only 35 mpg? How do explain a 37 year old Steve Nash, playing 33 mpg, and winning an apg title? How do explain a broken-down, non-athletic, 6-11 Andrew Bogut, winning a bpg title?

Go ahead.

[LAZERUSS]

And now the REALITY...

Put a 2014 Gasol right into the middle of the 60's...

and he would average about these numbers...

22-17-4-4 .430 FG%.

All of his numbers would rise a little, mainly because of playing more mpg, and at a slightly faster pace. Of course, his "efficiencies" would decline considerably too, based on those two factors, as well as a much more demanding schedule. Furthermore, his career would ultimately be cut short due to injuries and inferior medical technology.

[LAZERUSS]

I know this is about the 60's, but Neal Walk was Pau Gasol long before Gasol was.

In his 72-73 season...

38.4 mpg, 20.2 ppg, 12.4 rpg, 3.5 apg, .466 FG%, and a .786 FT%.

2014-2015 Pau...

35.0 mpg, 17.6 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 2.7 apg, .472 FG%, .809 FT%.

BTW, in Walk's '73 season, the NBA shot an FG% of .456. The current NBA is shooting an eFG% of .499.


Now, serious question...how many posters here have ever heard of Neal Walk?

Just how GREAT were the centers of the early 70's?

Just take a look at the 6-10 Neal Walk (who would easily measure 6-11+ today)... a 20-12 player...and very few here have ever heard of him. He was considered among the BOTTOM tier of centers in the early 70's.

[stanlove1111]

Those look like a washed up McAdoo's numbers in the Euro Leagues.

You know, the McAdoo that would dominate the NBA in the mid-70's. The same McAdoo that an old Wilt, in his LAST season, just ANNIHILATED.





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Wilt and McAdoo guarded each other?

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt and McAdoo guarded each other?

At times, yes. McAdoo could play either PF and or C. Elmore Smith was their starting center, butn he would ALWAY be in foul trouble against Chamberlain, and McAdoo was then faced with the assignment.

Of course, Smith was shipped off the next season, and McAdoo moved to the center slot full-time, where he would be a top-2 player in the league for several seasons.

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, Elmore Smith (easily a seven-footer today) was also considered a "second tier" center in the early 70's...


18 ppg, 13 rpg, 3 apg.

A year later he would also average 4.9 bpg in 36 mpg.

How many here have ever heard of him?

[L.Kizzle]

He'd probably be a 2nd tier.

On par with the Gus Johnsons, Baily Howels, Chet Walkers, ect.

[fpliii]

How would Pau compare with Lanier (not 60s I know)? Both are super skilled post scorers.

[LAZERUSS]

How would Pau compare with Lanier (not 60s I know)? Both are super skilled post scorers.

Probably close, albeit, Lanier was more efficient. One thing though...Pau is not going to bang with guys like Lanier, Reed, Thurmond, Gilmore, or Wilt.

[L.Kizzle]

Probably close, albeit, Lanier was more efficient. One thing though...Pau is not going to bang with guys like Lanier, Reed, Thurmond, Gilmore, or Wilt.
He'd be a perimeter big like Baily Howell, Rudy LaRuso, Spencer Haywood, Rudy T, Tommy Heinsohn and to some extent McAdoo

[LAZERUSS]

He'd be a perimeter big like Baily Howell, Rudy LaRuso, Spencer Haywood, Rudy T, Tommy Heinsohn and to some extent McAdoo

Not sure if a legitimate seven-footer would have been trained to be a more "perimeter-oriented" player back then. But CavsFan did mention Mel Counts, who was a reasonably skilled seven-footer, that played the PF position for about half of his career.

[Dr.J4ever]

How would Pau compare with Lanier (not 60s I know)? Both are super skilled post scorers.

I remember watching Lanier in person during 76ers/Bucks ball games in the old Spectrum in Philly.

Believe it or not, Lanier would actually hold his own against Moses. He was burly enough to guard Malone, but he was still very skilled in the post. I remember he had a sweeping and beautiful looking hook shot. In the end, though, Moses always ended up putting him in foul trouble.

To me, it's not a good comparison with Pau. Lanier was an old school post up guy, and Pau is a modern day big man and European, to boot. Pau is more versatile offensively and has a better face up game, but Lanier was surely no slouch. Lanier led a powerful Buck team for a long time, along with Marques Johnson and Sydney Moncrief.

I didn't look at stats to write this so this is based purely on memory.

[LAZERUSS]

Pau would have been among the best players of the 60's, just as he is today. And a prime Dirk would have been among the elite in the 60's (same with a prime KG.)

The true greats of ANY era, would be great in ANY era.

[Marchesk]

It's not that humans have evolved or changed, but rather the ability of the NBA to draw these supersize humans has changed. Ur going to sit around and act like there weren't 7 footers around back then that could of been amazing but hadn't made it to the NBA because of lack of exposure. Nowadays, some random tall kid from a rural village in India gets training etc to try and become a NBA player.

Right, so where are all these great centers at these days? The 90s was great for centers also. What gives? Don't tell me it's rule changes. There's no center as good as Ewing in today's league.

[Psileas]

Do you honestly believe that the 60's was the GOAT era in terms of centers? How is that even logical.

# of people that wanted to be NBA players in the 60's:
30 million out of the entire world population (which also was much smaller)

# of people that want to be NBA players currently:
300 million+

And back in those days many black people wouldn't of even been given the chance to play/develop etc.

It's simply ludicrous to say that given the much bigger talent pool to choose from, the competition to get to the NBA, etc that the era of the 60's had the best talent of the world in the league at that time.

It's not that humans have evolved or changed, but rather the ability of the NBA to draw these supersize humans has changed. Ur going to sit around and act like there weren't 7 footers around back then that could of been amazing but hadn't made it to the NBA because of lack of exposure. Nowadays, some random tall kid from a rural village in India gets training etc to try and become a NBA player.

Basketball hasn't become anywhere near as global in the hearts and minds of people worldwide as you make it be and neither does any country play at an even field, either. The fact that the rest of the world's population (that is, 95+% of all humans) has only managed to make up 25% of today's NBA is evidence. The fact that the NBA is 75-80% black, although the blacks represent a very clear minority in the US (and in almost any non-African country that produces NBA players) makes the population matter even more irrelevant. Even more ridiculous is to suggest that athletes with natural talent in basketball and decent size/athleticism, which are mainly features of the developed world, aka, the vast majority of the market the NBA still continues to trust, wouldn't even have been exposed to basketball at all. Just as a fun fact on basketball exposure, there had been European games in the 60's played in open stadiums and watched by tens of thousands of people.
That's not to say basketball's popularity hasn't increased, but you exaggerate the difference between then and now.
What has increased the most is basketball related technology, but, based on this, I could also claim the exact same things that you do for the later eras up to the 90's, before the Internet explosion came. Is today's era better than the 80's or 90's in terms of centers, as well? Better than the 70's?
You also ignore that people in the 60's didn't have exactly as many career options as today, be it sports or anything else. The NCAA is still full of "players" who will have played their lives' last official basketball game when their time as students is over. It's also full of players who will later ruin their lives and amount next to nothing positive socially and full of players who will go on as basketball players in scrub leagues.

[navy]

1st season: 4.2 mpg, 2.0 flops per game, resulting to 2.0 technicals per game, because the game was played by men, not *******.

2nd season: 30/20, because he'd have returned swimming to Europe. :oldlol:
60s centers werent bangers though.

[HomieWeMajor]

At 7'2 he would beast in the 60s.

[BasedTom]

Pau would be great- almost like if Oscar Robertson and Olajuwon combined their skillsets.

But I'm very intrigued about how Kobe Bryant would fare. The game was a lot more fast paced, there were more shots being taken, no 3pt line. Would he be able to assert his dominance, or would he just be another chucker in the golden age of chucking?

(i'm not even trolling here)

[ImKobe]

25/12/5/3 a game.