Andrew Wiggins Starter Kit (facts inside)

[JtotheIzzo]

Alright, it is getting exhausting reading all the nonsense about Wiggins every time an agenda needs driving and a thread is created, there are many things that simply need to be straightened out and put in perspective so we, as a group, can post about the rookie more accurately.

1-Wolves poor record: Yes they are a bad team, but not one starter from last year is currently active, and four starters from this year's team (Pek, Brewer, Rubio, Martin) are ALL OUT INJURED, so mix this with an epic Western Conference and you are going to have a lot of losses. Also, their starting PG wasn't good enough to start for UCLA 8 months ago.

so...

+/- , team record, etc. needs to all be taken with a grain of salt.

2-'Wiggins can't shoot': This line of thinking and this talking point should have ended, he CAN shoot and he shoots the ball well, and has great mechanics.

3- Scoring: Wiggins has scored over 20 points in 5 of his last 6 games, and done so while shooting very well. His ppg is climbing, and so too is his pct. The kid is creating offense via:

-post up
-3 ball
-pull up
-open floor
-high post
-step back
-slash
-occasionally off the dribble

He is also drawing the best defender each night so its not 'empty stats', think of it as educational stats.

4- Defense: He is drawing the top assignment each night, yes, they are scoring on him, but people score on people, it is the NBA, its not like stoppers completely lock elite scorers down, they slow them down, Wiggins needs to learn the 'tricks of the trade', but it will come.
Also, NBA teams generally play a trapping zone with man principles (amoeba defense) not the typical 1 on 1 of Jordan and Rodman's days, so a weak team defense will produce weak defenders.

5- Youth: Wiggins is 19, and he has shown great improvement already, these signs are very encouraging. Plus, the Wolves are putting a green lineup out every night, it'll be tough for them to not win, they need to be looked at like Philly at this point.
Let the kids learn on the job.
Its a learn the ropes throw away season like the 1989 Cowboys (they went 1-15 with Troy Aikmen, Michael Irvin, Moose Johnston and Jimmy Johnson and won a Super Bowl a couple years later).

6- Handles: A weak spot and somewhat of a hindrance to his offensive game, but this is something that can be improved on in the summer. There are a few posters here who like to think that handles cannot be improved, but anyone who says this is exposing themselves as someone who knows very little about the game.
Each year there are several undersized 2s who learn to play PG and do so by spending the summer working on their handles. Wiggins will get this taken care.

7- Motor and Aggressiveness: Wiggins has a motor, this is often confusing to the dimmer posters, and while he appears passive on the court he is never going to be an overtly in your face showboater, that is a black American trait that international players don't exhibit. So because he is mellow doesn't mean he is soft, he just isn't being outwardly emotive, more contained. That being said, he should go hard all the time and he needs to take this team by the balls. Judging by the past month's boxscores, this is happening.

OK, so lets all marinade on the above before we spout off tired, outdated falsities.

hooray!

[chocolatethunder]

Alright, it is getting exhausting reading all the nonsense about Wiggins every time an agenda needs driving and a thread is created, there are many things that simply need to be straightened out and put in perspective so we, as a group, can post about the rookie more accurately.

1-Wolves poor record: Yes they are a bad team, but not one starter from last year is currently active, and four starters from this year's team (Pek, Brewer, Rubio, Martin) are ALL OUT INJURED, so mix this with an epic Western Conference and you are going to have a lot of losses. Also, their starting PG wasn't good enough to start for UCLA 8 months ago.

so...

+/- , team record, etc. needs to all be taken with a grain of salt.

2-'Wiggins can't shoot': This line of thinking and this talking point should have ended, he CAN shoot and he shoots the ball well, and has great mechanics.

3- Scoring: Wiggins has scored over 20 points in 5 of his last 6 games, and done so while shooting very well. His ppg is climbing, and so too is his pct. The kid is creating offense via:

-post up
-3 ball
-pull up
-open floor
-high post
-step back
-slash
-occasionally off the dribble

He is also drawing the best defender each night so its not 'empty stats', think of it as educational stats.

4- Defense: He is drawing the top assignment each night, yes, they are scoring on him, but people score on people, it is the NBA, its not like stoppers completely lock elite scorers down, they slow them down, Wiggins needs to learn the 'tricks of the trade', but it will come.
Also, NBA teams generally play a trapping zone with man principles (amoeba defense) not the typical 1 on 1 of Jordan and Rodman's days, so a weak team defense will produce weak defenders.

5- Youth: Wiggins is 19, and he has shown great improvement already, these signs are very encouraging. Plus, the Wolves are putting a green lineup out every night, it'll be tough for them to not win, they need to be looked at like Philly at this point.
Let the kids learn on the job.
Its a learn the ropes throw away season like the 1989 Cowboys (they went 1-15 with Troy Aikmen, Michael Irvin, Moose Johnston and Jimmy Johnson and won a Super Bowl a couple years later).

6- Handles: A weak spot and somewhat of a hindrance to his offensive game, but this is something that can be improved on in the summer. There are a few posters here who like to think that handles cannot be improved, but anyone who says this is exposing themselves as someone who knows very little about the game.
Each year there are several undersized 2s who learn to play PG and do so by spending the summer working on their handles. Wiggins will get this taken care.

7- Motor and Aggressiveness: Wiggins has a motor, this is often confusing to the dimmer posters, and while he appears passive on the court he is never going to be an overtly in your face showboater, that is a black American trait that international players don't exhibit. So because he is mellow doesn't mean he is soft, he just isn't being outwardly emotive, more contained. That being said, he should go hard all the time and he needs to take this team by the balls. Judging by the past month's boxscores, this is happening.

OK, so lets all marinade on the above before we spout off tired, outdated falsities.

hooray!
I'm
Glad you posted this but this is going to be an awful thread.

[JtotheIzzo]

I'm
Glad you posted this but this is going to be an awful thread.

I know, but some people burn science textbooks too.

[gts]

I know, but some people burn science textbooks too.
:lol


Great post, both of them!

[ImKobe]

Wiggins in his rookie season already looks better than most all-star caliber players do. He's given the green light as well, so he will gain as much experience as possible and learn how to cut down his mistakes and what to improve, etc..

Dude's gonna be a great player if he puts in the work, he's already shown a lot of improvement over the year.

[LilEddyCurry]

Awesome post bro! Future repped. One thing though, please crop out Thad Young from your avy :D

[noob cake]

When was the last time a rookie had this many stans?

No player outside of Kobe and Bron has so many stans willing to write essays in support of their player.

[ImKobe]

When was the last time a rookie had this many stans?

No player outside of Kobe and Bron has so many stans willing to write essays in support of their player.

Also, I don't remember any rookie have this many haters :oldlol:, I see em on every single basketball forum

[Collie]

When was the last time a rookie had this many stans?

No player outside of Kobe and Bron has so many stans willing to write essays in support of their player.

I wouldn't call them stans, but people who believe in his potential. And think what you will of Wiggins right now, but it's unarguable that he has one of the biggest potentials in the NBA. I remember Durant during his rookie year looking like a chucker with low efficiency. And the scary thing is that Wiggins was absolutely terrible during his first games. Check his last few ones, and you're seeing a raw rookie dropping 20+ ppg on good efficiency.

[Dave3]

When was the last time a rookie had this many haters?

No player outside of Kobe and Bron has so many haters willing to continuously make threads to put them down.
Agreed 100%

[I<3NBA]

I opened this thread expecting a starter pack meme

[russwest0]

Wiggins seems cool as hell because everything I've seen from his shows that he didn't come into the league with any expectations, just a solid work ethic and a good attitude.

[SugarHill]

I opened this thread expecting a starter pack meme
right :oldlol:

lol @ noob cake acting like all he does isn't hate on Wiggins :yaohappy:

[LilEddyCurry]

His post game is developing quickly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AVmzb32eaM

[JtotheIzzo]

Here is the spin move we are beginning to see more of (this one vs Rudy Gay)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GNiCb3DF-E#t=2m55s

[Angel Face]

What's impressive about him is his post game. Only 19 y/o and his post game looks polished, better than most vets. Also, he has good instincts off the ball he doesn't need to hog the ball to score.

[Dave3]

His post game is very good relative to how raw other parts of his game are, and also relative to his age, but let's not get carried away. His post game is good, but hardly polished when compared to other players. He's still mostly a turn around jumper in there, but has shown a couple 'up and unders' as well, which shows more promise than polish at this point.

I'm glad he's proving that bust label (obviously unfounded to begin with) to be complete crap though. His jumper and post game already look pretty nice, and in a couple years, he can be raining rainbow 20 footers and dominating the post with his length. The last few games too he's shown very strong takes to the basket, and as someone who's been watching his games the entire season, even I was taken aback by some of his drives (the drive from the 3 point baseline to dunk it on the Kings and a couple layups against the Nuggets last night) and I've noticed no turnovers on his drives either lately, so he's either tightening his ball security a little bit, or he's becoming better at using the spacing around him.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

When was the last time a rookie had this many stans?

No player outside of Kobe and Bron has so many stans willing to write essays in support of their player.

The only reason OP is stanning is because both he and Wiggins are shite canucks. Vermin like to stick together

[JtotheIzzo]

The only reason OP is stanning is because both he and Wiggins are shite canucks. Vermin like to stick together

Why don't you stay in the OTC and update your threads on all your underage crushes. LOL @ a pedophile calling others vermin. And what is with the 'shite' bit? Wanna be Brit now too?

[veilside23]

good thread .. i wonder where are the heaters now? seriously wiggins is playing well despite his age and him being "skinny" according to all these so called professional scouts and gm and coaches wannabe.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Why don't you stay in the OTC and update your threads on all your underage crushes. LOL @ a pedophile calling others vermin. And what is with the 'shite' bit? Wanna be Brit now too?

You're a middle-aged man trying to live vicariously on a message board through a guy that had to leave your shit country to find success, only to end up on a lottery team with no future.

Wow, we need intervention for jizzo.

[yeaaaman]

You're a middle-aged man trying to live vicariously on a message board through a guy that had to leave your shit country to find success, only to end up on a lottery team with no future.

Wow, we need intervention for jizzo.

Well I can clearly see that you're on the edge of despair.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Well I can clearly see that you're on the edge of despair.

Are you a canuck too? Because another canuck said the same thing a few days ago.

[The Macho Man]

He's obviously talented but has the heart of a Canadian so is doomed for mediocrity

Also plays on Minnesota

Being Canadian playing on wolves... if that isn't the ultimate double whammy of mediocrity I don't know what is

[JtotheIzzo]

You're a middle-aged man trying to live vicariously on a message board through a guy that had to leave your shit country to find success, only to end up on a lottery team with no future.

Wow, we need intervention for jizzo.


great comeback, how's the Ariana fan club doing?

[The Macho Man]

great comeback, how's the Ariana fan club doing?
You can't say "great comeback " and follow it with a worse comeback you dum tw@t

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

great comeback, how's the Ariana fan club doing?

Pretty good actually. As long as she doesn't tour canada I'll always be a fan

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

You can't say "great comeback " and follow it with a worse comeback you dum tw@t

America still hasn't introduced humor to canada. Sad

[The Macho Man]

Izzo bout to break out some "I know you are but what am I". Watch yourself he got heat

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Damn he might hit me with the Chris Hansen picture. Might have to have my account deleted after that.

[JtotheIzzo]

OTC troll lifers trying hard to derail the thread, sorry guys, next time I'll post about barely legals or hillbilly wrasslers so you guys will be able to stay on topic.

[SugarHill]

great comeback, how's the Ariana fan club doing?
Reps some pop princess and calls people out for "living vicariously through athletes" :bowdown:

[JtotheIzzo]

Reps some pop princess and calls people out for "living vicariously through athletes" :bowdown:

No one is living vicariously through an athlete. This is a basketball forum, we discuss basketball, someone like Wiggins who is highly touted and also highly criticized makes great fodder.

If we cannot argue our points about basketball and basketball players and topics in this forum what is even the point.

Mr. I'm So Rad is butthurt from days of yore, and Macho Man is butthurt because I clowned him hard earlier in the thread (clownings sting harder when others pile on) that is why they chase people down in forums they don't regularly read and comment on stupid shit like nationality, as if it matters, like they somehow represent the good of America instead of the reality where they are useless and a drain on everyone.

Its hilarious.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Damn I was right, jizzo bringing his A game today.

But I only have an avatar of ariana though. You're canadian in real life. There's no logging off of that

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Reps some pop princess and calls people out for "living vicariously through athletes" :bowdown:

Oh wow this isn't fair. I don't know if I can handle verbal eviscerations like this from TWO canucks at once. Mercy please!

[JtotheIzzo]

12K plus posts and he still trolls due to butthurtedness.

[LoneyROY7]

When was the last time a rookie had this many stans?

No player outside of Kobe and Bron has so many stans willing to write essays in support of their player.

You getting nervous, bruh? :lol

[PleezeBelieve]

Empty stats.... just like he put up at Kansas

There are many rookies over the past three years alone who put up the same or better stats Wiggins is doing, and did so in a more demanding role.

Thread is lame, as usual. Guess the OP got tired of making over the top Anthony Bennett threads, so he's dedicated to Wiggins only now.

[SugarHill]

Oh wow this isn't fair. I don't know if I can handle verbal eviscerations like this from TWO canucks at once. Mercy please!
lol they're from Canada :coleman:

[LoneyROY7]

Empty stats.... just like he put up at Kansas

There are many rookies over the past three years alone who put up the same or better stats Wiggins is doing, and did so in a more demanding role.

Thread is lame, as usual. Guess the OP got tired of making over the top Anthony Bennett threads, so he's dedicated to Wiggins only now.

Dude getting real scared. :roll:

[PleezeBelieve]

Dude getting real scared. :roll:
I know right. I stay shittin on him :roll:

[yeaaaman]

I know right. I stay shittin on him :roll:

This is ISH in a nutshell. I wonder how old you are now? You've been on this site quite some time, I suppose this is the biggest life victory you can get?

This was meant to be a serious thread with some serious discussion, it's now being filled up with , well non serious (at least I hope) non-related talk/insults/bragging?

You sound like you belong on the worldstar comments section.



Dude getting real scared. :roll:

:biggums:

[FireDavidKahn]

Wiggins is awesome.

[LoneyROY7]

:biggums:

I was referring to PB, but I don't think he realized it. :lol

[chips93]

Also, NBA teams generally play a trapping zone with man principles (amoeba defense) not the typical 1 on 1 of Jordan and Rodman's days, so a weak team defense will produce weak defenders.!

very few teams nowadays use traps

[The Macho Man]

Will Wiggins ever be on a 50 win team? Obviously it won't happen in Minnesota, so if he's actually decent then Minnesota overpay him, then no. But if he's butt then maybe he will get to go to a decent city. Maybe by his mid 20s he will come off the bench for a solid team

[allball]

The Cavs f*cked up letting him get away.