When we say "white players"

[Im so nba'd out]

I hope you know were talking about american born white players.For example when we say player x dominated 6'6 white players in his era or white players are not athletic.Most of the white players from other countries actually seem like better players/athletes than american born white players.So people from europe were not grouping you into the white category.

The reason i made this thread is because i seen this post in another thread.Someone said something about white players and he posted all of these players.The only one we would actually consider "white" is kevin love.He is the only one born in america



http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/91/files/2012/01/5944610.jpg

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http://celticfanchat.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/gasol.jpg

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/fancloud/img/9993/3355/marc_gasol_13.jpg

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/espn1420.com/files/2012/07/steve-nash-mvp.jpg

[Marchesk]

Canada is the 51st state, so Nash counts. Two MVPs in the modern era. Kobe has one, Shaq has one.

[MavsSuperFan]

all trolling aside it is sort of odd how much better non-american whites are than white american players.

[eliteballer]

What do the Jason Kidds and Blake Griffins qualify as?

[JimmyMcAdocious]

all trolling aside it is sort of odd how much better non-american whites are than white american players.


"Better fundamentals?" - Kobe

[Smook A.]

If you say Kevin Love is the only one considered "white" out of all those guys, then what the hell are the other dudes? :lol

[MavsSuperFan]

What do the Jason Kidds and Blake Griffins qualify as?
Both are light skinned black men

[Im so nba'd out]

all trolling aside it is sort of odd how much better non-american whites are than white american players.
I get banned everytime i bring this up and im labeled a racist :confusedshrug:


I honestly believe there has only been 2 great white players the past 35 years.Larry Legend and Kevin Love.Every other player with white skin is not from this country and they are WAY MORE TALENTED + ATHLETIC

Its like american white people are mix with so many nationalities it strips them of their athletic ability. i will prolly get banned for this last post but its the truth

[MavsSuperFan]

If you say Kevin Love is the only one considered "white" out of all those guys, then what the hell are the other dudes? :lol
They are all white, but you have to admit its odd that there hasnt been a single white american player as good as the Gasol bros, Dirk, nash, etc since bird.

[Marchesk]

All trolling aside, as good as the Euro-white players are, is the OP trying to say the Gasol brothers would have kept Wilt in check?

Just wondering.

[MavsSuperFan]

All trolling aside, as good as the Euro-white players are, is the OP trying to say the Gasol brothers would have kept Wilt in check?

Just wondering.
When people ask you for what time it is do you respond with wilt related topics?

[Budadiiii]

What do the Jason Kidds and Blake Griffins qualify as?
They are considered white.

Just like J.Cole, Derek Jeter, and Obama.

All white guys.

[Budadiiii]

Both are light skinned black men
Why?

I'm claiming them as white so they're white. Blake Griffins mom is more white than his dad is black so Blake Griffin is white. Prove me wrong.

[Milbuck]

All trolling aside, as good as the Euro-white players are, is the OP trying to say the Gasol brothers would have kept Wilt in check?

Just wondering.
Well they're basically the same guys Wilt played against in his era, except a foot taller, much stronger, vastly more athletic, and better at nearly every facet of the game.

[Im so nba'd out]

All trolling aside, as good as the Euro-white players are, is the OP trying to say the Gasol brothers would have kept Wilt in check?

Just wondering.
You take the gasols and replace wilt with them they would dominate them white boys from back in the day.Maybe not averaging 50 points but they would avg 42 ppg in their best season.Now if i took a random white american born big man say idk cole aldrich he wouldnt do shit back then and we all know it.

I could see pau if he was being aggressive for a season averaging 42 ppg and 26 rpg in whatever yr wilt averaged 50 and 25.Cole Aldrich is the 1st white player that popped in my head he would be average back then.

[SouBeachTalents]

I get banned everytime i bring this up and im labeled a racist :confusedshrug:


I honestly believe there has only been 2 great white players the past 35 years.Larry Legend and Kevin Love.Every other player with white skin is not from this country and they are WAY MORE TALENTED + ATHLETIC

Its like american white people are mix with so many nationalities it strips them of their athletic ability. i will prolly get banned for this last post but its the truth

Stockton?

[Marchesk]

When people ask you for what time it is do you respond with wilt related topics?

Depends on the context. Say if they mentioned 6'9 white guys in the 60s when asking for the time, then I might bring Wilt up.

[christian1923]

Why?

I'm claiming them as white so they're white. Blake Griffins mom is more white than his dad is black so Blake Griffin is white. Prove me wrong.
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhiKhsVIUAAcqmc.jpg:medium

Idk that is close.

[Budadiiii]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhiKhsVIUAAcqmc.jpg:medium

Idk that is close.
His face is burnt but the rest of his body is fairly light.

Blake Griffin is white.

[Collie]

International white guys are basically the best of the best the rest of the world have to offer. For every Gasol, there are countless Darkos and Spanoulis players in the NBA.

[iamgine]

What do the Jason Kidds and Blake Griffins qualify as?
Mixed race. Neither white nor black.

[Im so nba'd out]

Stockton?
3 great american born white players

[Im so nba'd out]

International white guys are basically the best of the best the rest of the world have to offer. For every Gasol, there are countless Darkos and Spanoulis players in the NBA.
Darko even as a bust is 10x more skilled than a meyers leonard

[Marchesk]

3 great american born white players

Wait, so you would rate Love over McHale? Calling Love "great" is maybe a bit of a stretch. He's good. Bird and Stockton were great. Love isn't going down as a top 3 all-time at his position.

[iamgine]

I would add Chris Mullin.

[mehyaM24]

3 great american born white players
rick barry
chris mullin
kevin mchale
dave cowens
pete maravich
george mikan
john havlicek
bill walton
jerry west

were all some of the best players in the world at one point. aside from maybe chris mullin, legends.

not sure what this forums obsession with race is anyway. bunch of degenerates.

[Im so nba'd out]

Wait, so you would rate Love over McHale? Calling Love "great" is maybe a bit of a stretch. He's good. Bird and Stockton were great. Love isn't going down as a top 3 all-time at his position.
You're right replace mchale with love.Love never even been to the playoffs he's not a great player when you count the last 35 years

[Im so nba'd out]

rick barry
chris mullin
kevin mchale
dave cowens
pete maravich
george mikan
john havlicek
bill walton
jerry west

were all some of the best players in the world at one point. aside from maybe chris mullin, legends.

not sure what this forums obsession with race is anyway. bunch of degenerates.
you had to go back 50 years for some of them players smh.Back then there was barely any europeans in the nba.I said the past 35 years its only been 3 great white players.Chris Mullin would not be the same player in this era like the other 3 would.

[mehyaM24]

you had to go back 50 years for some of them players smh.Back then there was barely any europeans in the nba.I said the past 35 years its only been 3 great white players.Chris Mullin would not be the same player in this era like the other 3 would.
your point? there were more white, nba players at the time. based on demographics, "whites" play mostly baseball, football and hockey anyway.

edit: and how about, dave debusschere, mark price, jerry lucas, jack sickma, and bob pettit? allstars, mvps, and all-nba teamers for MULTIPLE seasons?

i can list some great "white" specialists if need be, as well.

[SHAQisGOAT]

all trolling aside it is sort of odd how much better non-american whites are than white american players.

In recent times... yea, most likely. All time? Nop...

Stockton
West
Bird
McHale
Walton

Tough to mess with.

[MavsSuperFan]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhiKhsVIUAAcqmc.jpg:medium

Idk that is close.
Totally off topic and im probably wrong

But it wouldnt surprise me if blakes bio dad was a lighter skinned black man.

I just dont see how a black man as dark as that guy has a kid as light skinned as blake.

At a most blakes dad should be about as dark as president obama, probably closer to doc rivers skin tone.

[Marchesk]

In recent times... yea, most likely. All time? Nop...

Stockton
West
Bird
McHale
Walton

Tough to mess with.


That would make for one great all-time team, if they were all healthy and in their primes. The shooting and passing would be amazing.

Put them up against the original starting Dream Team.

[Im so nba'd out]

That would make for one great all-time team, if they were all healthy and in their primes. The shooting and passing would be amazing.

Put them up against the original starting Dream Team.
Mike and the boys would run that shit out the gym they would kill them in transition :roll: foh

[Budadiiii]

Why the hell do black people love claiming these mixed guys as their own and why does society as a whole allow it?

Blake Griffin, Steph Curry, Obama, etc.

They're not black. Ok?

Where do you think the intelligence in these men comes from?

[Marchesk]

Mike and the boys would run that shit out the gym they would kill them in transition :roll: foh

Because Stocton, West and Walton (healthy) couldn't run the fast break? Anyway, Bird's team would pick Mike's team apart in the half court.

You have to remember that the 80s Hawks and 76ers were far more athletic than the Celtics. So were the Bucks.

[MavsSuperFan]

International white guys are basically the best of the best the rest of the world have to offer. For every Gasol, there are countless Darkos and Spanoulis players in the NBA.
NBA white guys should really be the best white american population has to offer.


The percentage of non-Hispanic white people in the U.S. population has reached an all-time low: 63%. That is 197.7 million white people out of 313.9 million Americans. In 2000, whites were 69% of the population

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/percentage-non-hispanic-whites-hits-all-time-63-article-1.1371772

http://i.imgur.com/6s1407r.png

Currently there are about 197 million non-hispanic white americans, its surprising that no american white has been a great player (I guess love is boarderline) since Bird and stockton.

Now if there were zero great white players, you could just explain it away as whites suck at basketball. But thats not the case. There have been great non-american white players.

Personally I think it has to do with what kobe said, about how they teach the fundamentals better outside america, and white players are more dependent on skills.

[Marchesk]

Where do you think the intelligence in these men comes from?

It doesn't come from skin cells, last I checked.

[SHAQisGOAT]

you had to go back 50 years for some of them players smh.Back then there was barely any europeans in the nba.I said the past 35 years its only been 3 great white players.Chris Mullin would not be the same player in this era like the other 3 would.

Bird, Stockton, McHale, Mullin, Westphal, Mark Price, Chambers, Bobby Jones, Sikma, Walton... were all active at some point in the last 35 years, all great players at their best, not ALL of them were cream of the crop superstars but all of them were great at their best.

And stop underrating Mullin...

[Im so nba'd out]

I believe its the blade effect except opposite.I believe they take all the weaknesses instead of all the strengths.

How many white people are 100% pure anything in today's american....not very many :confusedshrug:

They are mixed with irish or german or italian ect ect ect.Manu and them boys are 100% thats why they are way better athletes than the luke babbits of the league



I swear im not trolling mods...

[Budadiiii]

It doesn't come from skin cells, last I checked.
Cool. Did I insinuate that it did?

[Marchesk]

Personally I think it has to do with what kobe said, about how they teach the fundamentals better outside america, and white players are more dependent on skills.

Maybe it's also that in some of those countries, you really only have the choice of soccer, the Olympics or Basketball to be great in?

We have a lot of sporting options in the US. A good percentage of blacks are limited to excelling in football, basketball or track & field. So that's where their efforts go.

Malcom Gladwell argues that it's not a genetic thing at all. It's a matter of what the population in question concentrates on. The white majority in the US has too many options to excel in a couple of areas. It the situation were reversed, we would see the opposite effect in basketball.

Which is what you're kind of seeing from the Euros, with soccer being their number one draw by far.

You see this with Latin America and baseball. Second only to soccer, depending on the country.

[Fawker]

White Choc is the last player to have confidence and not feel second class since Bird. All these white players give too much respect.

[MavsSuperFan]

rick barry
chris mullin
kevin mchale
dave cowens
pete maravich
george mikan
john havlicek
bill walton
jerry west

were all some of the best players in the world at one point. aside from maybe chris mullin, legends.

not sure what this forums obsession with race is anyway. bunch of degenerates.

None of those guys have been recent.

Over the past 10-15 years all of the best white players have been non-american.
I dont get why everyone is so scared to talk about race

[Im so nba'd out]

athletically speaking


A full blooded dog > A mut

A pure blooded argentine male(manu ginboili) > An american mut male (kyle korver)




once again not trolling mods i really believe this

[SHAQisGOAT]

That would make for one great all-time team, if they were all healthy and in their primes. The shooting and passing would be amazing.

Put them up against the original starting Dream Team.

True. Shooting, passing, team D, chemistry, intangibles and even post-game would be crazy.

Bench of:

Price
Hondo
Barry
Pettit
Cowens

Would be pretty great too, and you also got B. Jones, Pistol Pete, Mullin, Westphal, Debusschere and so on...

But the best team consisting of black players would definitely be better, at least on paper... even when you combine white USA players and white foreigners. White team would be crazy yea, but the best players throughout history on average are black, no question about it.

[Marchesk]

A full blooded dog > A mut

Less healthy, though. Too much inbreeding. It's better to keep the gene pool diverse.

[SHAQisGOAT]

I believe its the blade effect except opposite.I believe they take all the weaknesses instead of all the strengths.

How many white people are 100% pure anything in today's american....not very many :confusedshrug:

They are mixed with irish or german or italian ect ect ect.Manu and them boys are 100% thats why they are way better athletes than the luke babbits of the league



I swear im not trolling mods...

:biggums: :facepalm

Yea, you're not trolling... you're just dumb.

There are some legit "reasons" you can argue for white-US players not being as good as before, anymore... But those arguments are not coming from you...

[Im so nba'd out]

Less healthy, though. Too much inbreeding. It's better to keep the gene pool diverse.
not talking about health wise :cheers:

[j3lademaster]

What do the Jason Kidds and Blake Griffins qualify as?We'll know once and for all when Chappelle holds the next racial draft.

http://i.imgur.com/8kAyqFU.jpg (http://imgur.com/8kAyqFU)

[Fawker]

recruiters are overseas searching for the next white hope, where kobe said they are.

[MavsSuperFan]

athletically speaking


A full blooded dog > A mut

black male > A pure blooded argentine male(manu ginboili) > An american mut male (kyle korver)




once again not trolling mods i really believe this
In nature hybrids are often superior to pure breds as purebreds often suffer from a lack of genetic diversity and have a higher chance of negative recessive genes showing up.

Also their is no genetic way to tell apart a german from a englishmen from an irishman, etc. All happen to have euro dna.

[Im so nba'd out]

In nature hybrids are often superior to pure breds as purebreds often suffer from a lack of genetic diversity and have a higher chance of negative recessive genes showing up.

Also their is no genetic way to tell apart a german from a englishmen from an irishman, etc. All happen to have euro dna.
Ill take a horse in a athletic compition over a mule any day.Also a Tiger over a Liger :cheers: .

[MavsSuperFan]

In recent times... yea, most likely. All time? Nop...

Stockton
West
Bird
McHale
Walton

Tough to mess with.

I agree, but the most recent of those players is stockton. you have to admit the track record for great white american player in the last 15 years has been abysmal. Everyone got on skip for saying not to draft white american players in the first round. Can you honestly say that wouldnt have worked out well over the last 15 years?

I think its just that we dont teach fundamentals as well in this country as we used to. The black players are athletic enough to be great despite lacking fundamentals (eg. dwight not know how to post up and still being a max player.) White players outside of america learn those fundamentals.

[Marchesk]

In nature hybrids are often superior to pure breds as purebreds often suffer from a lack of genetic diversity and have a higher chance of negative recessive genes showing up.

Also their is no genetic way to tell apart a german from a englishmen from an irishman, etc. All happen to have euro dna.

And some Neanderthal genes, but I think that applies to anyone not indegineous to sub-Saharan Africa (they didn't migrate out and interbreed with another species).

So, the purest homo sapiens are black.

[Marchesk]

Ill take a horse in a athletic compition over a mule any day.Also a Tiger over a Liger :cheers: .

Those are entirely different species, though. And you might prefer a mule for farm work. Anyway, we haven't been breeding humans to play basketball. So there isn't any pure bred basketball population. But maybe Wilt was trying to start something.

[Budadiiii]

Ill take a horse in a athletic compition over a mule any day.Also a Tiger over a Liger :cheers: .
Jim Thorpe is the greatest athlete of all time and he's a "mut"

Moreover, he was born in Oklahoma which proves Oklahoma is the greatest state in the US.

[Im so nba'd out]

Canada is the 51st state, so Nash counts. Two MVPs in the modern era. Kobe has one, Shaq has one.
Steve nash was born in africa he's african.Gasol's were born in spain so they are spanish/latino.Andrea is full blooded italian not a drop of anything else in him.

[MavsSuperFan]

Maybe it's also that in some of those countries, you really only have the choice of soccer, the Olympics or Basketball to be great in?

We have a lot of sporting options in the US. A good percentage of blacks are limited to excelling in football, basketball or track & field. So that's where their efforts go.

Malcom Gladwell argues that it's not a genetic thing at all. It's a matter of what the population in question concentrates on. The white majority in the US has too many options to excel in a couple of areas. It the situation were reversed, we would see the opposite effect in basketball.

Which is what you're kind of seeing from the Euros, with soccer being their number one draw by far.

You see this with Latin America and baseball. Second only to soccer, depending on the country.

Maybe it's also that in some of those countries, you really only have the choice of soccer, the Olympics or Basketball to be great in?
Other than Football (which is 70% black) and baseball every other sport available to white Americans is popular in countries with significant white populations.

I dont know even what you are talking about.
All of the great male tennis players recently have been non-american.
Klitschko bros are non-america.
lots of great non-american white hockey players
lots of great non-american white golfers

Probably a lot of things im not even thinking of as I am american.

Malcom Gladwell argues that it's not a genetic thing at all. It's a matter of what the population in question concentrates on. The white majority in the US has too many options to excel in a couple of areas. It the situation were reversed, we would see the opposite effect in basketball.

I like Gladwell but he strikes me as overly PC a lot of the times.
No offense to anyone
You cannot possibly deny that black people who were the decendents of the atlantic slave trade are the most athletic group

African amercian track and field stars
Jamaican, Trinidad and Tobago, cuban, etc stars

These group of people dominate track and field. Even african nations suck at track and field. Also a lot of these coutnries are poor. Eg. does anyone think of Jamaica as a very rich country?

Sorry if that offended people, but its hard to deny.

[Marchesk]

Steve nash was born in africa he's african.Gasol's were born in spain so they are spanish.

LOL. I have wondered about something for a while. What do you call a white African who immigrates to America? Are they African American? What box do they check?

[SHAQisGOAT]

I agree, but the most recent of those players is stockton. you have to admit the track record for great white american player in the last 15 years has been abysmal. Everyone got on skip for saying not to draft white american players in the first round. Can you honestly say that wouldnt have worked out well over the last 15 years?

I think its just that we dont teach fundamentals as well in this country as we used to. The black players are athletic enough to be great despite lacking fundamentals (eg. dwight not know how to post up and still being a max player.) White players outside of america learn those fundamentals.

I can agree with that. Compared to what it once was... you can call it abysmal, yea.

That's a great point, yes.
You can also look at "economic reasons"... Regarding all of that, and to sum it up, whites (especially/mostly looking at "recent" immigrants) have "improved" exponentially since back in the day.

[Im so nba'd out]

LOL. I have wondered about something for a while. What do you call a white African who immigrates to America? Are they African American?
Yes :confusedshrug: why you think nash is so good

[MavsSuperFan]

And some Neanderthal genes, but I think that applies to anyone not indegineous to sub-Saharan Africa (they didn't migrate out and interbreed with another species).

So, the purest homo sapiens are black.
yup. I in no way mean to suggest whites were superior, I was just saying you couldnt tell whites apart via dna.

IIRC I have seen police reports where they say they tested the DNA and they can confirm the race of the person that did the crime. So i could be very wrong but i think that dna can show racial differences.

Not to suggest one is superior to the other.

[Marchesk]

I like Gladwell but he strikes me as overly PC a lot of the times.
No offense to anyone
You cannot possibly deny that black people who were the decendents of the atlantic slave trade are the most athletic group

African amercian track and field stars
Jamaican, Trinidad and Tobago, cuban, etc stars

These group of people dominate track and field. Even african nations suck at track and field. Also a lot of these coutnries are poor. Eg. does anyone think of Jamaica as a very rich country?.

True, and then there's the East Africans who make up a good percentage of the eiltie middle to long distance runners.

I think Gladwell's issue in this case is that he doesn't like the idea of innate talent. You have to put in 10,000 hours of the right sort of practice to become elite, and anyone can do it. But he backtracked a bit in an interview recently when challenged about athletics, claiming that he only meant for intellectual tasks, not sporting events, where people are obviously born with different bodies, and some of those give you advantages in certain sports.

[MavsSuperFan]

Why?

I'm claiming them as white so they're white. Blake Griffins mom is more white than his dad is black so Blake Griffin is white. Prove me wrong.

Because they are american and its the way it has always been in america. Because of the culture of america (which has deep racist roots) any person not 100% white wasnt considered white.

Half black and half white kids would be treated by society as black. When white slave masters raped their female slaves the kids that resulted from that rape were slaves. They werent treated the way his white kids would have been treated. Maybe they would be treated better than some other slaves but they wouldnt be free. they would still be property.

I also think all of these guys,
Jeter, Obama, Kidd, Blake, Curry etc self identify as black men, so it would be disrespectful not to refer to them as they wish.

[MavsSuperFan]

True, and then there's the East Africans who make up a good percentage of the eiltie middle to long distance runners.

I think Gladwell's issue in this case is that he doesn't like the idea of innate talent. You have to put in 10,000 hours of the right sort of practice to become elite, and anyone can do it. But he backtracked a bit in an interview recently when challenged about athletics, claiming that he only meant for intellectual tasks, not sporting events, where people are obviously born with different bodies, and some of those give you advantages in certain sports.
IIRC the altitude at which these men live give them a natural advantage.

Eg. why long distance runners do altitude training

[knickballer]

White people in America generally have the luxury to play any sport in America mostly due to financial reasons while Black people mainly stick to Basketball and Football. White people play all sports.. Baseball, lacrosse, Football, Hockey, Soccer, Volleyball, Basketball, ****ing equestrian, swimming, etc. Do you really see black people playing the other sports? IDK.

I also feel that basketball has become a black sport to play in highschool. White kids aren't really attracted to the sport and all the athletic white kids end up playing other sports(Baseball, lacrosse, etc)

However, I do think certain European countries are much more athletic than American whites. Look at Spain. Best football players, produces good basketball player and i'm sure they do well in those weird sports too. The Balkan countries produce giants.. A country like Montenegro(population 600k) may have produced more NBA players than NYC currently. There's also Serbia, Croatia, etc.

I think some of these countries don't have as much athlete worshiping as in the US. It's sad when you have grown man worshiping athletes and even college athletes. It's like they'd rather grow up watching people play rather than actually play.

[Im so nba'd out]

However, I do think certain European countries are much more athletic than American whites. Look at Spain. Best football players, produces good basketball player and i'm sure they do well in those weird sports too. The Balkan countries produce giants.. A country like Montenegro(population 600k) may have produced more NBA players than NYC currently. There's also Serbia, Croatia, etc.


http://i.imgur.com/OvMTIF8.pngthis guy gets it

[chocolatethunder]

IIRC the altitude at which these men live give them a natural advantage.

Eg. why long distance runners do altitude training
There have been recent studies which refute this idea. People who weren't born and raised at altitude do still train at altitude and this has been going on for a long time but recently it's actual benefit is being questioned. The effects of training at altitude disappear quickly once returning to sea level however.

What does give East Africans a natural advantage is their build. The Kalenjin and Masai are built for distance running. Very thin and light. However Chris Solinksy ran 12:55 and 26:59 at 6'1" 160 lbs which was a lot faster than most Africans ran that year. Now Galen Rupp, an American has a silver medal in the 10000m and is a favorite to medal in the next Olympics as well. What happens in the US is that all of our best athletes play football, baseball and basketball. No one cares about distance running here and compared to the big sports its quite difficult to make a living as a distance runner in the US. You may get a $50K contract if you're lucky. Whereas for an east african if you train and become a good runner you can make money pacing races, placing in marathons, or even just becoming a road racer who picks up money winning smaller road races. When Sammy Wanjiru won WMM at Chicago and set the course record that made him $600K. That is a fortune in Kenya. Here in the US no one cares about that. That's a game check for A Rod. In the US literally our worst athletes go into distance running. It's an afterthought. All of the US best runners are playing other sports. in East Africa the best athletes are in distance running. In Kenya some elite training groups consist of 100 runners or more. In the US there isn't a single group with more than 10 guys and of those 10 maybe three are competitive internationally. In the Kenyan group of 100 there are probably 40 guys who have run faster than the fastest American.

[knickballer]

There have been recent studies which refute this idea. People who weren't born and raised at altitude do still train at altitude and this has been going on for a long time but recently it's actual benefit is being questioned. The effects of training at altitude disappear quickly once returning to sea level however.

What does give East Africans a natural advantage is their build. The Kalenjin and Masai are built for distance running. Very thin and light. However Chris Solinksy ran 12:55 and 26:59 at 6'1" 160 lbs which was a lot faster than most Africans ran that year. Now Galen Rupp, an American has a silver medal in the 10000m and is a favorite to medal in the next Olympics as well. What happens in the US is that all of our best athletes play football, baseball and basketball. No one cares about distance running here and compared to the big sports its quite difficult to make a living as a distance runner in the US. You may get a $50K contract if you're lucky. Whereas for an east african if you train and become a good runner you can make money pacing races, placing in marathons, or even just becoming a road racer who picks up money winning smaller road races. When Sammy Wanjiru won WMM at Chicago and set the course record that made him $600K. That is a fortune in Kenya. Here in the US no one cares about that. That's a game check for A Rod. In the US literally our worst athletes go into distance running. It's an afterthought. All of the US best runners are playing other sports. in East Africa the best athletes are in distance running. In Kenya some elite training groups consist of 100 runners or more. In the US there isn't a single group with more than 10 guys and of those 10 maybe three are competitive internationally. In the Kenyan group of 100 there are probably 40 guys who have run faster than the fastest American.

Our "best athletes" won't necessarily be good track and field runners. Just because Chris Paul is a good basketball player doesn't mean he would be a dominant track star(doesn't even have the athleticism lol). Most football players are extremely bulky and strong and built for short impact, they would be awful distance runners lol.

But I do understand what you are saying. If we can increase the number of people doing track and field than we would get better results as there's a bigger talent pool to choose from and this is the case for most sports.

[chocolatethunder]

Our "best athletes" won't necessarily be good track and field runners. Just because Chris Paul is a good basketball player doesn't mean he would be a dominant track star(doesn't even have the athleticism lol). Most football players are extremely bulky and strong and built for short impact, they would be awful distance runners lol.

But I do understand what you are saying. If we can increase the number of people doing track and field than we would get better results as there's a bigger talent pool to choose from and this is the case for most sports.
I'm aware of that. But our best distance runners are playing soccer and other sports. Literally anything other than running. No shit Chris Paul wouldn't be a good distance runner. Lots of white kids who have way more slow twitch muscles than the average african american kid are playing football and soccer and even basketball. Even if they aren't playing it well or they're on JV or whatever, or maybe they're playing baseball, running isn't even on their radar. That's why a kid like Rupp who was a soccer player got plucked off his soccer team and was encouraged to run and he was our first medalist at 10000m since Billy Mills in '64. So yes, most certainly our best distance runners are playing other sports.

[oarabbus]

Our "best athletes" won't necessarily be good track and field runners. Just because Chris Paul is a good basketball player doesn't mean he would be a dominant track star(doesn't even have the athleticism lol). Most football players are extremely bulky and strong and built for short impact, they would be awful distance runners lol.

But I do understand what you are saying. If we can increase the number of people doing track and field than we would get better results as there's a bigger talent pool to choose from and this is the case for most sports.


Uh, yes our 'best athletes' will be, by definition, good at track and field. Do you know what track and field entails?

No shit football players aren't gonna be fast 10k runners. But some of them would be great 100/200m dash runners, or the 110/330 hurdles, or triple jump, high jump, long jump, some football players would be great at discus or shotput, many soccer players might be great distance and mid runners, some basketball players would be good sprinters/mid distance. His point is pretty straightforward, all of the people who'd be incredible track athletes for the most part are playing other sports.

[UK2K]

Yes :confusedshrug: why you think nash is so good
Yes.

A buddy of mine is a white dude from South Africa, and he said black Africans hate when black Americans call themselves African American.

I also messed around with a black chick from Belgium who said she doesn't mess around with black Americans, basically because their trash. Its interesting because she's very well spoken, extremely intelligent (I met her in class) and is very well dressed.

Outside of the inner cities, the black 'swag' is not only looked down upon, but they're looked at as lesser blacks then from overseas.

Funny how that works.

[SpanishACB]

so you're saying you're racist

but only in america?

[triangleoffense]

lol @ this thread, lot of basement dwellers thinking they are geneticists all of a sudden. Why do you not see a lot of black nba players from africa? Cause black US-born NBA players were bred for athletic performance since the ones who weren't died off in the fields. 5-6 generations of field slaves makes for great NBA/NFL players

[UK2K]

lol @ this thread, lot of basement dwellers thinking they are geneticists all of a sudden. Why do you not see a lot of black nba players from africa? Cause black US-born NBA players were bred for athletic performance since the ones who weren't died off in the fields. 5-6 generations of field slaves makes for great NBA/NFL players
That, and blacks typically play basketball more during the summer while white kids are playing video games.

It helps develop your skills when you do nothing but ball all day.

How many guys with rich parents you see playing in the NBA. There are some, but generally, they were poor. Poor = no video games = go play ball.

[Bandito]

Steve nash was born in africa he's african.Gasol's were born in spain so they are spanish/latino.Andrea is full blooded italian not a drop of anything else in him.
That is not the same thing dum dum. Latino is an American born mix. Spanish is an European from Spain. :facepalm

[SpanishACB]

lol @ this thread, lot of basement dwellers thinking they are geneticists all of a sudden. Why do you not see a lot of black nba players from africa? Cause black US-born NBA players were bred for athletic performance since the ones who weren't died off in the fields. 5-6 generations of field slaves makes for great NBA/NFL players

they're not right but you can't be serious?

if africa had an effective sample size equal to that of america, that is, kids with proper families going to school, proper alimentation, access to sports programmes yada yada then Africa would easily dominate the world in athletic sports.

[Sharmer]

They got African genes for athletic performance. The pigmentation in their skin doesn't mean jack.

[SpanishACB]

That is not the same thing dum dum. Latino is an American born mix. Spanish is an European from Spain. :facepalm

the term in USA has a different meaning to that of the old world.

here, latinos ember of any of the modern European Romance-speaking nations or peoples. So Spaniards are latinos and so are Italians and Portuguese etc...

latin countries, latin was spoken there. You just took the word and changed its meaning but somehow ignore the fact latin is a language.

[UK2K]

they're not right but you can't be serious?

if africa had an effective sample size equal to that of america, that is, kids with proper families going to school, proper alimentation, access to sports programmes yada yada then Africa would easily dominate the world in athletic sports.

That's not accurate.

If Europe was dirt poor, and they ran around chasing lions for generations, then they would have offspring likely to be physical specimens. Genetics play a big part, but again, the lack of digital entertainment is why poor people tend to be more athletic and skilled.

Practice makes perfect, and what's better practice then chasing a gazelle. If you don't catch it, you don't eat. That kind of motivation can't be replicated here, legally.

[Sharmer]

That's not accurate.

If Europe was dirt poor, and they ran around chasing lions for generations, then they would have offspring likely to be physical specimens. Genetics play a big part, but again, the lack of digital entertainment is why poor people tend to be more athletic and skilled.

Practice makes perfect, and what's better practice then chasing a gazelle. If you don't catch it, you don't eat. That kind of motivation can't be replicated here, legally.


Your understanding of genetics is that of a 11 yo. Darwin's theory of natural selection doesn't happen over a few generations. But over thousands of generations. So what your saying makes no sense.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Poor = no video games = go play ball.

:wtf:

Even the poorest kids I knew growing up had at the very least a slightly less poor friend/family member who had a game system. I'm not sure where you live/how you grew up, but I'm guessing you have a very distorted world view.

[MASH Transit]

And some Neanderthal genes, but I think that applies to anyone not indegineous to sub-Saharan Africa (they didn't migrate out and interbreed with another species).

So, the purest homo sapiens are black.


There were people in Africa way before there was a desert, so you can drop the racist, euro-centric "sub-saharan" differentiator.


If your heritage is non-African, you are part Neanderthal, according to a new study in the July issue of Molecular Biology and Evolution. Discovery News has been reporting on human/Neanderthal interbreeding for some time now, so this latest research confirms earlier findings.

http://news.discovery.com/human/genetics-neanderthal-110718.htm

[MASH Transit]

Other than Football (which is 70% black) and baseball every other sport available to white Americans is popular in countries with significant white populations.

I dont know even what you are talking about.
All of the great male tennis players recently have been non-american.
Klitschko bros are non-america.
lots of great non-american white hockey players
lots of great non-american white golfers

Probably a lot of things im not even thinking of as I am american.


I like Gladwell but he strikes me as overly PC a lot of the times.
No offense to anyone
You cannot possibly deny that black people who were the decendents of the atlantic slave trade are the most athletic group

African amercian track and field stars
Jamaican, Trinidad and Tobago, cuban, etc stars

These group of people dominate track and field. Even african nations suck at track and field. Also a lot of these coutnries are poor. Eg. does anyone think of Jamaica as a very rich country?

Sorry if that offended people, but its hard to deny.

But, Africa consistently produces some of the best long distance runners in world? :confusedshrug:

Also, top European soccer leagues are full of 1st and 2nd generation African immigrants.

Edit: And all those Brazilians that are really good at soccer? Descendants of African slaves, just like American athletes.

[SpanishACB]

But, Africa consistently produces some of the best long distance runners in world? :confusedshrug:

Also, top European soccer leagues are full of 1st and 2nd generation African immigrants.

Africa is better than USA at soccer.

Let that sink for a moment..

Now imagine you could play basketball with as much as something resembling a ball and a field...

Now imagine they cared

USA african americans and africans share the same calf muscle anatomy

[MASH Transit]

yup. I in no way mean to suggest whites were superior, I was just saying you couldnt tell whites apart via dna.

IIRC I have seen police reports where they say they tested the DNA and they can confirm the race of the person that did the crime. So i could be very wrong but i think that dna can show racial differences.

Not to suggest one is superior to the other.

Bruh, I ain't mad at you for trying, but you gotta start fact checking your post. There are specific markers coded in your genome that reveal information about your genealogy and personal ancestry. Therefore we're able to genetically differentiate between a northern European, an eastern European, or a southern European based on specific genetic markers represented in their respective lineages. I.e. The Spanish and the British aren't the same.

Secondly, genetically speaking, there's only one "race". There isn't enough genetic diversity between us to warrant classifying ourselves as different "races". What you're looking for is ethnicity.

[MASH Transit]

That's not accurate.

If Europe was dirt poor, and they ran around chasing lions for generations, then they would have offspring likely to be physical specimens. Genetics play a big part, but again, the lack of digital entertainment is why poor people tend to be more athletic and skilled.

Practice makes perfect, and what's better practice then chasing a gazelle. If you don't catch it, you don't eat. That kind of motivation can't be replicated here, legally.
[/quote]

Eh, Europe has been dirt poor for the vast majority of human history. Poor weather, resource poor, poor agricultural, and knowledge poor. Why do you think they left?

Oil, gold, diamonds, and so on: Africa has that in the spades, and always has. Even Medieval Europe prospered from gold imported from Africa. See: The empire of Mali.

[chocolatethunder]

the term in USA has a different meaning to that of the old world.

here, latinos ember of any of the modern European Romance-speaking nations or peoples. So Spaniards are latinos and so are Italians and Portuguese etc...

latin countries, latin was spoken there. You just took the word and changed its meaning but somehow ignore the fact latin is a language.
Don't forget the Romanians. They're always left out.

[Im so nba'd out]

lol @ this thread, lot of basement dwellers thinking they are geneticists all of a sudden. Why do you not see a lot of black nba players from africa? Cause black US-born NBA players were bred for athletic performance since the ones who weren't died off in the fields. 5-6 generations of field slaves makes for great NBA/NFL players
wow you're dumb :facepalm

[Im so nba'd out]

so you're saying you're racist

but only in america?
No im not saying people from spain are better than americans....Thats all you took from my post?I should be at stanford right now giving a lecture.Im like 400 years ahead of every geneticist but instead im here spreading my knowledge.

:pimp:

[chocolatethunder]

That is not the same thing dum dum. Latino is an American born mix. Spanish is an European from Spain. :facepalm
No, Latino is not an "American born mix". Although there can be some ambiguity as to the definition (the U.S. govt doesn't consider Brazilians Latino but non-government groups do) Latino doesn't mean you're a mix. It's an ethno-liguistic term that means you are part of a group or ethnicity that shares a common language, history and culture essentially relating to Spain or the Iberian peninsula by most definitions. Hispanic and Latino are for the most part interchangeable (mostly semantics) and in the US Hispanic is more commonly used on the east coast and Latino is more common on the west coast. The term Latino encompasses almost all countries outside of Spain with Spanish roots. Although the Philippines are not included because Spanish is not one of their official languages. I believe that just English and Tagalog are but I can't remember off the top of my head.

And interesting aside is that American born Puerto Ricans often refer to themselves as "Spanish" and to their food as "Spanish food". You can see lots of Puerto Rican restaurants that say "Spanish food" on their signs. It's also ironic that Caribbean Spanish in general is looked down upon and certainly Puerto Rican Spanish although it's roots are Andalusian.

[kshutts1]

I get banned everytime i bring this up and im labeled a racist :confusedshrug:


I honestly believe there has only been 2 great white players the past 35 years.Larry Legend and Kevin Love.Every other player with white skin is not from this country and they are WAY MORE TALENTED + ATHLETIC

Its like american white people are mix with so many nationalities it strips them of their athletic ability. i will prolly get banned for this last post but its the truth
John Stockton.
Kevin McHale.
Bill Laimbeer.

There are probably some that I am missing, and I'm sure others have brought these, and other, names up in the 7+ pages that I'm unwilling to read.

[SHAQisGOAT]

John Stockton.
Kevin McHale.
Bill Laimbeer.

There are probably some that I am missing, and I'm sure others have brought these, and other, names up in the 7+ pages that I'm unwilling to read.

Bird, Stockton, McHale, Mullin, Price, Westphal, B. Jones, Sikma, Love, Chambers, Hornacek, Walton, Cowens, Issel, Laimbeer... were all active at some point in the last 35 years.

[Marchesk]

There were people in Africa way before there was a desert, so you can drop the racist, euro-centric "sub-saharan" differentiator.


The people indigenous to the part of Africa south of what is now a giant desert don't have Neanderthal genes. The rest of us do.

Happy now?

[chocolatethunder]

But, Africa consistently produces some of the best long distance runners in world? :confusedshrug:

Also, top European soccer leagues are full of 1st and 2nd generation African immigrants.

Edit: And all those Brazilians that are really good at soccer? Descendants of African slaves, just like American athletes.


I'm not really sure that I follow you're line of thinking. Europe, much like Africa or any other continent is a large area consisting of a variety of different people. African Americans and East Africans/North Africans have very little in common. African Americans aren't Moroccan/Lybian/Egyptian/Kenyan/Ethiopian/Somali etc. Just like a western European is very different from an easter European or a Scandinavian. I'm of western European descent, I don't feel any connection with eastern Europeans or western Europeans for that matter. I don't really follow the big deal about any african American bragging that there are great distance runners in Ethiopia or Kenya. Africa is a huge continent and the people in West Africa aren't the same as the people in east Africa. It would be like me bragging that Scandinavians are the best at the World's Strongest man competition. Apart from skin color, there's nothing that relates me to those people. It's just foolish.

I also don't follow what you're saying about Africa having gold and diamonds. Bragging about being exploited makes you look foolish. You're saying that it's great that whoever has been in power and are still in power and have used Africa's resources to benefit themselves and not their people are good? It's great to be rich in something but when you're complicit in the exploitation of your people/country for that commodity there's really nothing to brag about. What goes on in places like that and other places rich in precious metals/stones is disgusting on all levels. It's not just Africa.

[Crystallas]

Funniest thread on ISH in ages.

[Im so nba'd out]

Funniest thread on ISH in ages.
you really think im joking thats the funny thing

[Marchesk]

you really think im joking thats the funny thing

You know what would have been funny? If Bob Cousy had twice the MVPs of the most dominant player of his era.

Maybe if he was European?

[Deuce Bigalow]

All trolling aside, as good as the Euro-white players are, is the OP trying to say the Gasol brothers would have kept Wilt in check?

Just wondering.
The NBA Finals kept him in check.

[lilteapot]

I get banned everytime i bring this up and im labeled a racist :confusedshrug:


I honestly believe there has only been 2 great white players the past 35 years.Larry Legend and Kevin Love.Every other player with white skin is not from this country and they are WAY MORE TALENTED + ATHLETIC

Its like american white people are mix with so many nationalities it strips them of their athletic ability. i will prolly get banned for this last post but its the truth

Jason Kidd

[UK2K]

Eh, Europe has been dirt poor for the vast majority of human history. Poor weather, resource poor, poor agricultural, and knowledge poor. Why do you think they left?

Oil, gold, diamonds, and so on: Africa has that in the spades, and always has. Even Medieval Europe prospered from gold imported from Africa. See: The empire of Mali.[/QUOTE]
All that oil and gold and diamonds and they werent able to buy themselves a clue.

[chocolatethunder]

Eh, Europe has been dirt poor for the vast majority of human history. Poor weather, resource poor, poor agricultural, and knowledge poor. Why do you think they left?

Oil, gold, diamonds, and so on: Africa has that in the spades, and always has. Even Medieval Europe prospered from gold imported from Africa. See: The empire of Mali.
All that oil and gold and diamonds and they werent able to buy themselves a clue.[/QUOTE]
Ok that was definitely the post of the day here.

It's painfully obvious judging by this fella's posts that he hasn't a clue about neither Africa nor Europe. I will say again, Europe, like Africa, is a large place and there most certainly are plenty of places with good weather.

[Crystallas]

you really think im joking thats the funny thing


You think you have some superior concept on the matter. So you think you are superior. Thus... fill in the dots. I'll wait while you process.

[TheBigVeto]

I get banned everytime i bring this up and im labeled a racist :confusedshrug:


I honestly believe there has only been 2 great white players the past 35 years.Larry Legend and Kevin Love.Every other player with white skin is not from this country and they are WAY MORE TALENTED + ATHLETIC

Its like american white people are mix with so many nationalities it strips them of their athletic ability. i will prolly get banned for this last post but its the truth

Kevin McHale? John Stockton? Tom Chambers? Chris Mullin?

[Im so nba'd out]

Kevin McHale? John Stockton? Tom Chambers? Chris Mullin?
If you read a couple pages you would see i changed it from 2 great white players to 3 in the past 35 years.Mchale, bird, and stockton

[Im so nba'd out]

delladova balling!

The aussie got game!