Look what Lebron has done to this team

[jayfan]

The young talent is gone now. Now they're just a mess.

[TheMarkMadsen]

If either Lebron or Love leaves..

:roll: :roll:

[Demitri98]

If either Lebron or Love leaves..

:roll: :roll:
If they both leave :roll: :roll: :roll:

Love follows Bron back to Miami. :roll::roll:

Chalmers
Wade
Bron
Love
Bosh

[lilteapot]

Yeah, he brought this team into the playoffs and got them over .500 for the first time in 4 years.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Yeah the Cavs are so bad.

They are better off without LeBron.

They shoulda traded him instead of Waiters.

LeBron is the worst thing to ever happen to the Cavs and the city of Cleveland.

[Lebron23]

Iman Shumpert is still a young player. He's only a year older than Waiters, and the superior defensive player.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Iman Shumpert is still a young player. He's only a year older than Waiters, and the superior defensive player.

And is gone next year.

[jayfan]

Now, instead of having 3 of the most injury-prone players in the league, they have 4 of them.

[Mr. Jabbar]

LeGM backfiring on the cavs

[jayfan]

LeGM backfiring on the cavs

It's as if the last few drafts, with all those high picks, never even happened.

[edrick]

The cavs have missed the playoffs since Lebron left, what exactly has he done to them? Besides make them relevant again.

[Dr Seuss]

The King of broken families.

[r15mohd]

The cavs have missed the playoffs since Lebron left, what exactly has he done to them? Besides make them relevant again.


Logic...is that you!?! :cheers:

[jayfan]

The cavs have missed the playoffs since Lebron left, what exactly has he done to them? Besides make them relevant again.

Mortgaged a potentially young, exciting future for fools gold? :confusedshrug:



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[russwest0]

Mortgaged a potentially young, exciting future for fools gold? :confusedshrug:



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Nah man, they're what, the 5th seed in the East?

Bran da gawd

[G0ATbe]

Its funny because Cleve would have a better record\team if lebald never came. With Wiggins instead of lebald theyd be one of the defensive teams in the league at least. Lebald ruined the past, present, and future of that organization all by himself:bowdown: .

[lilteapot]

Its funny because Cleve would have a better record\team if lebald never came. With Wiggins instead of lebald theyd be one of the defensive teams in the league at least. Lebald ruined the past, present, and future of that organization all by himself:bowdown: .
Do you take pride in being a complete retard?

[k0kakw0rld]

They weren't going no where and it is not LeBron's fault.

Kyrie and Irving (feud/issue) started way before LBJ came back to cleveland.

Without LeBron there is no playoffs for the Cavs. They lost vs the sixers for GOD sake.

[lilteapot]

They weren't going no where and it is not LeBron's fault.

Kyrie and Irving (feud/issue) started way before LBJ came back to cleveland.

Without LeBron there is no playoffs for the Cavs. They lost vs the sixers for GOD sake.
IMO the Dion and Waiters feud was far more hurtful to the team.

[Marchesk]

IMO the Dion and Waiters feud was far more hurtful to the team.

:lol

[tpols]

The cavs have missed the playoffs since Lebron left, what exactly has he done to them? Besides make them relevant again.
Yea because having Wiggins, Kyrie, Dion, Bennett, and likely at least one more lotto pick wouldn't have been better than having a lebron/love rental that's a second round exit at best.

[lilteapot]

Yea because having Wiggins, Kyrie, Dion, Bennett, and likely at least one more lotto pick wouldn't have been better than having a lebron/love rental that's a second round exit at best.

Yea, it wouldn't have been. Hilarious how people here think Wiggins is such an amazing game changing player.

[tpols]

Yea, it wouldn't have been. Hilarious how people here think Wiggins is such an amazing game changing player.
We won't know for years.. He's like 6 years away from his prime. But since he's raw now, Cleveland would've had a much better chance at future success if they got a lot to pick this year, maybe trade Kyrie for another pick and eventually strike gold and pair a big guy with Wiggins.

[lilteapot]

We won't know for years.. He's like 6 years away from his prime. But since he's raw now, Cleveland would've had a much better chance at future success if they got a lot to pick this year, maybe trade Kyrie for another pick and eventually strike gold and pair a big guy with Wiggins.

Lebron doesn't have 6 more years left in his prime. I know Lebron said all that shit about being patient with the process but it was obvious he wanted to win right away. Now it probably won't happen this year but it wouldn't have happened any faster with Wiggins.

[tpols]

Lebron doesn't have 6 more years left in his prime. I know Lebron said all that shit about being patient with the process but it was obvious he wanted to win right away. Now it probably won't happen this year but it wouldn't have happened any faster with Wiggins.
I'm saying Wiggins is like 6 years from his prime.. So we don't know how amazing hell be bur he's a two way player and if the Cavs paired him with a good big guy they might have a chance down the road. I know lebron isn't patient especially if they get stomped I the playoffs I can't see him sticking around.

Edit I see where the confusion is.. I'm talking about if Bron never came to the team at all and just let them be.

[Dengness9]

Getting rid of Waiters was a good move.


Bron will right the ship when he comes back. This is the low point for the Cavs this season, but it's not anywhere near as low as they've been in years past without him.

The fact that there are even expectations this season shows what Lebron coming back has done. Last year they were trading for Luol Deng and falling 10-20 games under .500.

Cavs better get back to winning. Their seeding is in major jeopardy.

[stephanieg]

LeBron is the worst thing to ever happen to the Cavs and the city of Cleveland.

Worse to climb to the summit of the mountain and fall down, your dreams crushed, than to have never climbed at all. False hope is cruel.

[Dro]

Mortgaged a potentially young, exciting future for fools gold? :confusedshrug:



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This.....

[Dro]

Lebron doesn't have 6 more years left in his prime. I know Lebron said all that shit about being patient with the process but it was obvious he wanted to win right away. Now it probably won't happen this year but it wouldn't have happened any faster with Wiggins.
Thats not the point, I mean its obvious thats not the point...The point is neither one would happen quick but if Lebron is leaving soon, you're telling me you wouldn't have rather had a potential 6 prime years of Wiggins?

[lilteapot]

Thats not the point, I mean its obvious thats not the point...The point is neither one would happen quick but if Lebron is leaving soon, you're telling me you wouldn't have rather had a potential 6 prime years of Wiggins?

I'd rather have a prime Kevin Love than take a chance on Andrew Wiggins, who isn't a lock to realize his potential. You know exactly what you're getting from Love. And I was working under the assumption that Lebron was staying long-term.

[r15mohd]

We won't know for years.. He's like 6 years away from his prime. But since he's raw now, Cleveland would've had a much better chance at future success if they got a lot to pick this year, maybe trade Kyrie for another pick and eventually strike gold and pair a big guy with Wiggins.


such a flawed thought process...you don't chance probability with unproven talent when you have a greater likelihood at a Finals knocking at your door with Lebron, Love, Kyrie, etc. :facepalm

how many #1's trule live up to their hype...not many, u take proven or probability. it's a no-brainer from a mgmt standpoint, really

[Dro]

such a flawed thought process...you don't chance probability with unproven talent when you have a greater likelihood at a Finals knocking at your door with Lebron, Love, Kyrie, etc. :facepalm

how many #1's trule live up to their hype...not many, u take proven or probability. it's a no-brainer from a mgmt standpoint, really
Its like you guys are in denial. Everybody knows hindsight is 20/20, but thats were talking about, in hindsight. So if you knew from the jump that you could have 1-2 years of Lebron or potentially 10+ years of Wiggins, you would choose Lebron? Is that what I'm hearing?

[tpols]

such a flawed thought process...you don't chance probability with unproven talent when you have a greater likelihood at a Finals knocking at your door with Lebron, Love, Kyrie, etc. :facepalm

how many #1's trule live up to their hype...not many, u take proven or probability. it's a no-brainer from a mgmt standpoint, really
Yea I would've taken LeBron and love too.. But I didn't think they'd be this bad. They're really just an average team. Any team that has good big men or slashers like Hawks with teague/millsap/Harford, wiz with wall/nene/gortat, Bulls etc is going to destroy this team offensively and they will have the defense to limit the Cavs.. And HCA. There's just zero chance at this point the Cavs make it out the second round much less win a championship. And Bron clearly going out his prime fast.. He's at a minutes logged point where it is inevitavle

[lilteapot]

Its like you guys are in denial. Everybody knows hindsight is 20/20, but thats were talking about, in hindsight. So if you knew from the jump that you could have 1-2 years of Lebron or potentially 10+ years of Wiggins, you would choose Lebron? Is that what I'm hearing?
Lol, yes...because there's a better chance at winning a ring with 2 years of Lebron than 10 years of Wiggins.

[Kidbasketball20]

Lol, yes...because there's a better chance at winning a ring with 2 years of Lebron than 10 years of Wiggins.

No there's not what the hell are you talking about. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


This isn't the Big 3 MVP LeBron. This is literally washed up, "I don't wanna play over 35+ minutes or hustle back on D" LeBron.

[KNOW1EDGE]

No there's not what the hell are you talking about. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


This isn't the Big 3 MVP LeBron. This is literally washed up, "I don't wanna play over 35+ minutes or hustle back on D" LeBron.

Lol @ you :oldlol:

[lilteapot]

No there's not what the hell are you talking about. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


This isn't the Big 3 MVP LeBron. This is literally washed up, "I don't wanna play over 35+ minutes or hustle back on D" LeBron.
You're assuming Wiggins turns out to be some transcendent superstar player which is stupid. But I expect stupid from you so it isn't a surprise.

And isn't it funny how even washed up Lebron has lead this Cavaliers team to its best record in years?

[ProfessorMurder]

They weren't going no where and it is not LeBron's fault.

Kyrie and Irving (feud/issue) started way before LBJ came back to cleveland.

:eek:

That sounds intense.

[Kidbasketball20]

You're assuming Wiggins turns out to be some transcendent superstar player which is stupid. But I expect stupid from you so it isn't a surprise.

And isn't it funny how even washed up Lebron has lead this Cavaliers team to its best record in years?


You'd rather have LBJ at 30 for 2 years


than Wiggins for TEN YEARS.


You are insane. 10 years. You realize he is in his 1st year?

[lilteapot]

You'd rather have LBJ at 30 for 2 years


than Wiggins for TEN YEARS.


You are insane. 10 years. You realize he is in his 1st year?
So what the **** are you talking about? You might as well be saying I'm crazy for wanting Lebron for two years than Harrison Barnes for 10 years. I suggest you stop assuming Wiggins is going to be a superstar player until he actually becomes one.

[tpols]

You'd rather have LBJ at 30 for 2 years


than Wiggins for TEN YEARS.


You are insane. 10 years. You realize he is in his 1st year?
It's like picking between 0% and 5%..theres a small chance Wiggins blows up and becomes dominant. There's a zero percent chance this current cavs team wins anything.

[nba_55]

It's like picking between 0% and 5%..theres a small chance Wiggins blows up and becomes dominant. There's a zero percent chance this current cavs team wins anything.

If they start winning, don't come up to say they are stacked, which we all know you will.:facepalm

[nba_55]

You'd rather have LBJ at 30 for 2 years


than Wiggins for TEN YEARS.


You are insane. 10 years. You realize he is in his 1st year?

Where did you see LBJ staying only 2 years with Cavs? Sources?

[lilteapot]

If they start winning, don't come up to say they are stacked, which we all know you will.:facepalm
It's hilarious, this whole forum was calling this team stacked in July and August and I got flamed for thinking Lebron would have a better chance of winning in Miami.

[JT123]

Turned them from the league's laughing stock franchise into the 5th seed. :applause:

[JT123]

It's hilarious, this whole forum was calling this team stacked in July and August and I got flamed for thinking Lebron would have a better chance of winning in Miami.
What do you expect from Kobe stans. They don't know much about basketball.

[nba_55]

It's hilarious, this whole forum was calling this team stacked in July and August and I got flamed for thinking Lebron would have a better chance of winning in Miami.

They all lead a sad existence, they keep telling themselves stories to feel better, such a shame.:facepalm Just look at the Waiters trade thread, you have Kobe stans trying to convince themselves Cavs got the worse, you have OKC fans searching reasons to believe OKC did the right thing...

[Kidbasketball20]

Where did you see LBJ staying only 2 years with Cavs? Sources?

Someone wrote above, "Lol, yes...because there's a better chance at winning a ring with 2 years of Lebron than 10 years of Wiggins."


People are dumb as ****. There is a 0% chance this team wins a ring in the next 2 years unless Durant joins the team... and even then their defense is terrible.

[nba_55]

Someone wrote above, "Lol, yes...because there's a better chance at winning a ring with 2 years of Lebron than 10 years of Wiggins."


People are dumb as ****. There is a 0% chance this team wins a ring in the next 2 years unless Durant joins the team... and even then their defense is terrible.
0%, really? 0! I'm sure you are not dumb enough to believe that they have 0 chance.

[lilteapot]

Someone wrote above, "Lol, yes...because there's a better chance at winning a ring with 2 years of Lebron than 10 years of Wiggins."


People are dumb as ****. There is a 0% chance this team wins a ring in the next 2 years unless Durant joins the team... and even then their defense is terrible.

And for all you know there is 0% chance you win a ring with Wiggins in the next 10 years. He's not even close to being the talent that Lebron is.

[Kidbasketball20]

And for all you know there is 0% chance you win a ring with Wiggins in the next 10 years. He's not even close to being the talent that Lebron is.

How the hell do you know that? He hasn't even played half a rookie season yet. :roll: :roll:


We know what we get with 30 year old LeBron.

You could probably say with certainty in 3-4 years what Wiggins is as a player, and even THEN it's not like he is at a max contract and the center piece.



Logic is not your strong point.

[ArbitraryWater]

Look at them thriving without LeBron.... managing to lose by just a small point against the GOAT Sixers team

[TheMarkMadsen]

Look at them thriving without LeBron.... managing to lose by just a small point against the GOAT Sixers team

Yeah because they were only missing Lebron for that game. Good call.

[russwest0]

LeBron stans be like

"but Cleveland went from missing the playoffs to being a 5th seed!"

meanwhile Wiggins starting to hit stride and looking good, and you already know Waiters will look good before long in OKC.

[lilteapot]

How the hell do you know that? He hasn't even played half a rookie season yet. :roll: :roll:


We know what we get with 30 year old LeBron.

You could probably say with certainty in 3-4 years what Wiggins is as a player, and even THEN it's not like he is at a max contract and the center piece.



Logic is not your strong point.

Yeah, we know what we get with 30 year old Lebron. An elite playmaker who scores at a high clip and can drop 30 any given night.

[TheMarkMadsen]

LeBron stans be like

"but Cleveland went from missing the playoffs to being a 5th seed!"

meanwhile Wiggins starting to hit stride and looking good, and you already know Waiters will look good before long in OKC.

Poor Lebron, he was really looking forward to mentoring this young Cleveland team.

Until he shipped them all out

[edrick]

Nah man, they're what, the 5th seed in the East?

Bran da gawd

I didn't know the season ended already... Even still, a 5th seed is better than anything the Cavs have done in the past 4 years.

Also, stop bringing up players that haven't proven a damn thing and comparing them to Lebron. We're not talking about Melo or some other player that hasn't proven anything yet.

[lilteapot]

LeBron stans be like

"but Cleveland went from missing the playoffs to being a 5th seed!"

meanwhile Wiggins starting to hit stride and looking good, and you already know Waiters will look good before long in OKC.
What's Minnesota's record?

[russwest0]

I didn't know the season ended already... Even still, a 4th seed is better than anything the Cavs have done in the past 4 years.

yeah no shit, thats why they got Wiggins, because they weren't very good last year.

[Hey Yo]

yeah no shit, thats why they got Wiggins, because they weren't very good last year.
I believe the Cavs had the worst combined record in the league over the 4yrs LeBron was in Miami.

[edrick]

I believe the Cavs had the worst combined record in the league over the 4yrs LeBron was in Miami.

That young talent is legit though. The team's record means very little to delusional people.

[FLDFSU]

If they start winning, don't come up to say they are stacked, which we all know you will.:facepalm

:applause: :applause:

[Real14]

:applause: :applause:
:coleman:

[pauk]

You almost sound like you think Lebron (or any player) has some GM executive position rights or something...

...and what young TALENT are you talking about anyways?

[Dro]

Lol, yes...because there's a better chance at winning a ring with 2 years of Lebron than 10 years of Wiggins.
:biggums:

How do you figure that? Can you predict the future? Nobody knows how good Wiggins will or wont' be yet. But all the comparison's were to Lebron actually so I'd take 10 years of Wiggins and build my team and see what I can get.....

[Dro]

Yeah, we know what we get with 30 year old Lebron. An elite playmaker who scores at a high clip and can drop 30 any given night.
The point is, was it worth it if they don't win anything and it prevented the young talent from getting better? I'm not saying he's preventing anyone from developing but the argument can be made because he's so ball dominant...When you play with Lebron, you play his style which is an unselfish style Ill admit, but he still has the ball most of the time. Thats why everyone was afraid that Kyrie would be turned into a spot up shooter....

[jayfan]

You almost sound like you think Lebron (or any player) has some GM executive position rights or something...


That front office isn't taking a piss without Lebron's approval.




.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You almost sound like you think Lebron (or any player) has some GM executive position rights or something...

...and what young TALENT are you talking about anyways?

Yes Pauk he does. And anybody can clearly see that.

Kevin Love was literally the first person Lebron called after deciding to sign with the cavs. This is called collusion.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/lebron-james--first-phone-call-upon-signing-in-cleveland-was-to-kevin-love-195749871.html

Then Lebron puts out a letter mentioning how he wants to help the new talent, but somehow convientently leaves out the guy who gets traded for Love days later?

Lebron has spent the past 5 years putting together his own super teams to play on.

Wake the hell up dude

[HomieWeMajor]

Lebron unlocked a few achievements on NBA 2K14 MYGM mode and thought he was ready for the big time.

[KNOW1EDGE]

It's really quite embarassing to see so many young adults desperately reaching for any reason to throw salt on another man.

GTFO

You people disgust me.

[livingby3's]

Kyrie, Waiters and Wiggins were never going to gel, their styles just don't fit.
Cavs never got to draft players correctly, look at what they had done with all their previous top picks. Drafting Bernett at #1, Waiters at #4.

Kyrie and Wiggins were perhaps consensus number 1 picks, but Irving hasn't even prove to be a good point guard so far, let alone a franchise player. And we have no idea how Wiggins will develop.

Now you give Cleveland time and they might just screw themselves up even more. To me, putting together a team of LeBron and Love was perhaps the best thing they had done in ages. They complement each other's game and will get better, and I understand from most of the arguers' stand point, that is if they both stay for another season. Big If there but the Cavs' young talent weren't working out, and we never know if they will. What they do know is if LeBron stays and put this team in winning situations, the team's identity and losers' way will change.

Love and Kyrie had never been to the playoffs, you can argue the amount of talent their teams present but there's no denying that they are likely to have developed a loser mentality by now. Let them stay winning and we should see an improvement in this team.

That said Dion is a great option to have at SG for this team, whether as a starter or 6man. I for one think that Kyrie should be the one the Cavs had put on tradeblock. He's not a good player at his position and his play style doesn't help winning basketball. He can have all the fancy moves and throws up some great plays/shots here and there, but he doesn't play winning ball. You can't have a player like him playing point and expect to do great things. Overrated I would call him. Much like Isaiah Thomas from my Suns, they're like exhibition/ pickup games players who seemingly have a good game, but doesn't help any winning team. He would work as a 6man but his pride probably won't allow that to happen. Of all the young talents the Cavs once possessed they kept the worst one and rid the rest, now let's see where they go from here.

[Dro]

Yes Pauk he does. And anybody can clearly see that.

Kevin Love was literally the first person Lebron called after deciding to sign with the cavs. This is called collusion.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/lebron-james--first-phone-call-upon-signing-in-cleveland-was-to-kevin-love-195749871.html

Then Lebron puts out a letter mentioning how he wants to help the new talent, but somehow convientently leaves out the guy who gets traded for Love days later?

Lebron has spent the past 5 years putting together his own super teams to play on.

Wake the hell up dude
This basically........