Lebrons Legacy

[colts19]

A look at why context matters. Lebron James.
We have people on this board who claim Lebron has great career already than Bird did. So let's take Lebron and his team back to the 80's.

1979-80 Bird, Magic and Lebron arrive in the league the same year. What happens.
ROY Bird beat magic for ROY by a vote of 63 to 3. Instead of Lebron being a clear ROY winner he probably would have not even recieved a vote.
His team would have been about the 6th or 7th best team in the league.
MVP Kareem

1980-1981 his team would have been about the 6th or 7th best team in the league.
MVP Julius Erving

1981-82 His team would have been about the 6th or 7th best team.
MVP Moses

1982-83 6th or 7th best
MVP Moses

83-84 7th or 8th best team
MVP Bird

84-85 7th or 8th
MVP Bird

85-86 8th best team
MVP Bird

86-87 first year with miami 6th best in league
MVP Magic

87-88 5th best team
MVP Jordan

88-89 4th best team
MVP Magic

89-90 4th or 5th
MVP Magic

Lebron plays his whole career and never wins a Title, MVP, FMVP or even makes a Final. Would be considered a poor mans Big O.

I think if you look at it, you could easily say the Milw. Bucks of the 80's were clearly better than Lebrons teams for at least 7of the 11 years and probably 9 of them.
My point is context is everything. When you play your whole career is a weak conference you tend to get more credit than you should.

[riseagainst]

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[20Four]

His legacy will be known for ditching teams when the going gets tough and probably a top 25 or 50 player of ALL time

[Hey Yo]

My point is context is everything. When you play your whole career is a weak conference you tend to get more credit than you should.
Speaking of Magic.....^

[m00qi]

No need to go back to the 80s.
He chose the easy path in a weak era...that's what he'll be remembered for.

[ArbitraryWater]

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even riseagainst knows this is stupid as ****

[raprap]

:biggums:

[dankok8]

I get the OP's point but this is major hating on Lebron. Teams back then had more talent because the league was smaller so there is no way LBJ's team wouldn't be a contender with the same relative talent. The pace of the game was also faster which would be right up Lebron's alley.

[colts19]

I get the OP's point but this is major hating on Lebron. Teams back then had more talent because the league was smaller so there is no way LBJ's team wouldn't be a contender with the same relative talent. The pace of the game was also faster which would be right up Lebron's alley.
I don't mean to hate on Lebron, I think he is a great player. I can't guess what his roster would look like. I just said take the cleveland and miami teams to keep it simple. I'm just saying when you competing against those teams it a whole lot different.

Even his Miami teams who were not able to rebound or rim protect would find it very hard to compete for a championship in the 80's. Tell me one year where his team would be favored to win the east let alone the Title.

Take his Miami team against any year in the 80's and the have almost no chance of winning. Talent wise his miami team had 2 of the top 5 and 3 of the top twenty players in the league. So it's not really about talent. Also as far as Pace did the Spurs basically run the out of the building last year and they were old.

[Mr. Jabbar]

"a legacy written not by his opponents but his allies"


-Mr. Jabbar, 2015

[ArbitraryWater]

I don't mean to hate on Lebron, I think he is a great player. I can't guess what his roster would look like. I just said take the cleveland and miami teams to keep it simple. I'm just saying when you competing against those teams it a whole lot different.

Even his Miami teams who were not able to rebound or rim protect would find it very hard to compete for a championship in the 80's. Tell me one year where his team would be favored to win the east let alone the Title.

What does have to do with LeBron?

[Beastmode88]

larry and his celtics had to play vs magic and his lakers. Who did bran really have to play against old man duncan and spurs?

[Eric Cartman]

Magic was the Lebron of the 80's.

Playing on a stacked Pat Riley team in a shit conference.

[Beastmode88]

Magic was the Lebron of the 80's.

Playing on a stacked Pat Riley team in a shit conference.


Had to play vs larry and his stacked celtics. Stacked v stacked.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Magic was the Lebron of the 80's.

Playing on a stacked Pat Riley team in a shit conference.

only magic had the eye test on his side

[colts19]

only magic had the eye test on his side
True

[COnDEMnED]

Magic never joined the Celtics when he lost on the Lakers.

[Real14]

Magic never joined the Celtics when he lost on the Lakers.
end thread.

[Doranku]

When all is said and done, this will be LeBron's legacy:

1 Lockout produced ring
1 career-saving Ray Allen 3
Some very nice looking stats
And most notably, years and years of falling short in Cleveland

[COnDEMnED]

When all is said and done, this will be LeBron's legacy:

1 Lockout produced ring
1 career-saving Ray Allen 3
Some very nice looking stats
And most notably, years and years of falling short in Cleveland
The decision will forever be known as one of the most disgusting shameful moments in NBA history. He will be known for Not 1...but 2. Not 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 so far.

[Hey Yo]

Magic never joined the Celtics when he lost on the Lakers.
That's because, like a dumb ass, in 1981 Magic signed a 25yr contract extension worth 1mil per year.

[Lebron23]

The decision will forever be known as one of the most disgusting shameful moments in NBA history. He will be known for Not 1...but 2. Not 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 so far.


Who care$ @$$hole?? At the end of the day Lebron is a 4x NBA MVP, 2x NBA Final MVP, and Back to Back NBA Champion.

OP needs to jump off the bringe. http://www.quickmeme.com/img/9b/9b988c038caeef4b6c61307653f439a6924a98c83b8397b8e4 d7d79eae9cec87.jpg

Bird only had 1 more NBA Championship than Lebron, and Bird played with a stacked Celtics team.

[TheMarkMadsen]

His legacy will be that of a guy who spent his entire prime carefully selecting which super team he wants to play on in order to get into the Jordan/Kobe/Duncan/Magic discussion

[Lebron23]

His legacy will be that of a guy who spent his entire prime carefully selecring which super team he wants to play on in order to get into the Jordan/Kobe/Duncan/Magic company


Huh????? Among the top 10 player of all time. He's the worst finals performer ever. He didn't want to play for the Hornets in 1996. He immediately wanted to play for a big market team.


Lebron played for the Cavaliers for 7 straight years, and led that team deeper in the playoffs.

[COnDEMnED]

Who care$ @$$hole?? At the end of the day Lebron is a 4x NBA MVP, 2x NBA Final MVP, and Back to Back NBA Champion.

OP needs to jump off the bringe. Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda. Bird only had 1 more NBA Championship than Lebron, and Bird played with a stacked Celtics team.
You care more than I do, that's for sure. Stick a tampon in it, you're dripping.

[COnDEMnED]

That's because, like a dumb ass, in 1981 Magic signed a 25yr contract extension worth 1mil per year.
Over your head...it went. lol

[Hey Yo]

Over your head...it went. lol
Not at all.

You just didn't know his contract history or that there was no such thing as free agency until 1988.

You're welcome for the lesson, yo

[COnDEMnED]

Not at all.

You just didn't know his contract history or that there was no such thing as free agency until 1988.

You're welcome for the lesson, yo
You can't beat someone who isn't interested in winning. Still over your head...yo.

[Lebron23]

Not at all.

You just didn't know his contract history or that there was no such thing as free agency until 1988.

You're welcome for the lesson, yo


Zing!!!!

[TheMarkMadsen]

Huh????? Among the top 10 player of all time. He's the worst finals performer ever. He didn't wanted to play for the Hornets in 1996. Lebron played for the Cavaliers for 7 straight years, and led that team deeper in the playoffs.

Lebron didn't want to play for Cleveland and then had the worst finals performance of all time.

But ill admit that Lebron led the cavs deeper into the playoffs then Kobe and the Hornets.. Great argument Lebron23 :roll: :roll:

[COnDEMnED]

Zing!!!!
I found a website with cheap Bron jerseys, if you happened to burn your last two pairs.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/LeBron-James-23-Cleveland-Jersey-Vintage-Mesh-Embroidery-LeBron-James-Throwback-Basketball-Jersey-Cleveland-23-Jerseys/2026813253.html

[Lebron23]

Lebron didn't want to play for Cleveland and then had the worst finals performance of all time.

But ill admit that Lebron led the cavs deeper into the playoffs then Kobe and the Hornets.. Great argument Lebron23 :roll: :roll:


Lebron James

27 games - 24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 6.4 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.6 bpg, 3.8 tov, 46.3 FG%, 76.1 FT%, 54.6 TS%

Kobe Bryant

37 games - 25.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.9 bpg, 3.3 tov, 41.2 FG%, 84.8 FT%, 50.7 TS%

[SHAQisGOAT]

Bit far-fetched there but I get the point/premise and agree with it, context is everything.

LeBron wouldn't even be winning 3 MVP's in 10 years from 1980 to 1990, let alone 4... Shit, even if you replace him for someone like Bird or Magic.

And 2 or more titles? Only if drafted by the Lakers.
76ers already had Doc so I can't see that "happening".
Maybe he'd get one or almost one if the Bucks were able to build the same team with him also; or the Rockets with him, Hakeem and Sampson... Can't see all of that going down though.

Celtics were shitty when Bird was drafted, 2nd worst record, attendances at an all-time low, internal problems, Red almost leaving, change of owners, franchise falling apart...
LeBron wouldn't be able to have the same type of instant impact as Larry and he'd bolt instead of building from the ground up (if we're talking about "the same LeBron").

[Lebron23]

I found a website with cheap Bron jerseys, if you happened to burn your last two pairs.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/LeBron-James-23-Cleveland-Jersey-Vintage-Mesh-Embroidery-LeBron-James-Throwback-Basketball-Jersey-Cleveland-23-Jerseys/2026813253.html


At least Lebron led a team into the playoffs without wade, irving, love, and bosh.

Same thing cannot be said about Kobe without Shaq, Gasol, and Jackson.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lebron James

27 games - 24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 6.4 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.6 bpg, 3.8 tov, 46.3 FG%, 76.1 FT%, 54.6 TS%

Kobe Bryant

37 games - 25.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.9 bpg, 3.3 tov, 41.2 FG%, 84.8 FT%, 50.7 TS%

Lebron - 2/5

Kobe- 5/7

[Mr. Jabbar]

I found a website with cheap Bron jerseys, if you happened to burn your last two pairs.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/LeBron-James-23-Cleveland-Jersey-Vintage-Mesh-Embroidery-LeBron-James-Throwback-Basketball-Jersey-Cleveland-23-Jerseys/2026813253.html

listed as memorabilia by 2016

[Lebron23]

Lebron - 2/5

Kobe- 5/7

http://www.vibe.com/sites/vibe.com/files/styles/article-bounds-718/public/images/shaq-vs-kobe-1.jpg

4x NBA MVP, 2x Finals MVP > 1x NBA MVP, and 2x NBA MVP.

[Beastmode88]

Kobe won 5 rings for his first team while lebron won 0. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Lebron23]

Not at all.

You just didn't know his contract history or that there was no such thing as free agency until 1988.

You're welcome for the lesson, yo


And he only managed to win 3 NBA titles with that kind of help and supporting casts.

[TheMarkMadsen]

How many rings does Lebron have without Wade?

Because Kobe made 3 straight finals without Shaq.. Soooo

[Lebron23]

Kobe won 5 rings for his first team while lebron won 0. :roll: :roll: :roll:


http://www.nbadraftinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Kobe_Hornets300.jpg

[COnDEMnED]

At least Lebron led a team into the playoffs without wade, irving, love, and bosh.

Same thing cannot be said about Kobe without Shaq, Gasol, and Jackson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_OMUgTFQhw

[COnDEMnED]

http://www.nbadraftinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Kobe_Hornets300.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Midv0hma7y4

[Im so nba'd out]

He will always be known as a colluder

[TheMarkMadsen]

You do realize that if Lebron played in the west, he wouldn't even make the playoffs this year

[Lebron23]

Bit far-fetched there but I get the point/premise and agree with it, context is everything.

LeBron wouldn't even be winning 3 MVP's in 10 years from 1980 to 1990, let alone 4... Shit, even if you replace him for someone like Bird or Magic.

And 2 or more titles? Only if drafted by the Lakers.
76ers already had Doc so I can't see that "happening".
Maybe he'd get one or almost one if the Bucks were able to build the same team with him also; or the Rockets with him, Hakeem and Sampson... Can't see all of that going down though.

Celtics were shitty when Bird was drafted, 2nd worst record, attendances at an all-time low, internal problems, Red almost leaving, change of owners, franchise falling apart...
LeBron wouldn't be able to have the same type of instant impact as Larry and he'd bolt instead of building from the ground up (if we're talking about "the same LeBron").



A 21 yr.old Lebron back in 2006 led the Cavalier to 50 wins for the first time since the 1993-94 NBA Season with his 2nd NBA scoring option missing 47 games in the regular season.

A Trio of Lebron, Mchale and Parish could also win multiple NBA titles in the 1980's.

Lebron is a better regular season, playoffs, and finals performer than Bird.

[Hey Yo]

Bit far-fetched there but I get the point/premise and agree with it, context is everything.

LeBron wouldn't even be winning 3 MVP's in 10 years from 1980 to 1990, let alone 4... Shit, even if you replace him for someone like Bird or Magic.

And 2 or more titles? Only if drafted by the Lakers.
76ers already had Doc so I can't see that "happening".
Maybe he'd get one or almost one if the Bucks were able to build the same team with him also; or the Rockets with him, Hakeem and Sampson... Can't see all of that going down though.

Celtics were shitty when Bird was drafted, 2nd worst record, attendances at an all-time low, internal problems, Red almost leaving, change of owners, franchise falling apart...
LeBron wouldn't be able to have the same type of instant impact as Larry and he'd bolt instead of building from the ground up (if we're talking about "the same LeBron").

Why wouldn't LeBron have somewhat similar impact? The Cavs were shitty when LeBron was taken 1st overall and never had a pick higher than 10th the next 6yrs there.

Why would he leave (if his contract was up in the summer of 88') if he had the exact same teammates Bird did over that time?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Why wouldn't LeBron have somewhat similar impact? The Cavs were shitty when LeBron was taken 1st overall and never had a pick higher than 10th the next 6yrs there.

Why would he leave (if his contract was up in the summer of 88') if he had the exact same teammates Bird did over that time?

Bird won the title his second year.

Lebron in his second year was missing the playoffs

[Hey Yo]

Kobe won 5 rings for his first team while lebron won 0. :roll: :roll: :roll:
How many would Kobe have won if he would have let the Nets draft him like they wanted to?

[Hey Yo]

Bird won the title his second year.

Lebron in his second year was missing the playoffs
That's why I said "same teammates as Bird had"

[Real14]

http://www.nbadraftinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Kobe_Hornets300.jpg
did he play for them?:biggums:

[TheMarkMadsen]

How many would Kobe have won if he would have let the Nets draft him like they wanted to?

Why don't you make that thread again since you didn't get the answers you wanted last time :roll: :roll:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353937

[Lebron23]

Bird won the title his second year.

Lebron in his second year was missing the playoffs

Bird's 2nd best player was Robert Parish while Lebron's 2nd best player was Zydrunas Ilgauskas in the regular season. Archibald, Maxwell, and Parish also stepped up in the playoffs.

[TheMarkMadsen]

That's why I said "same teammates as Bird had"

Lebron wouldn't win with tiny archival and cedrick maxwell as his two best players

[Hey Yo]

Why don't you make that thread again since you didn't get the answers you wanted last time :roll: :roll:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353937
I already know the answers. Calipari and the Nets were threatened by Tellem that Kobe would not sign if they drafted him.

[Top Gun]

In the 10-20 range of top players all time. Too much of a beta.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I already know the answers. Calipari and the Nets were threatened by Tellem that Kobe would not sign if they drafted him.

You were expecting tons of 0 rings answers and then you got really butt hurt when that didnt happen

:roll: :roll:

[Lebron23]

Lebron and Bird (Regular Season, Playoffs, and Finals Stats)

http://www.basket4us.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/485759745-e1398058935544.jpg

Lebron James

Regular Season

27.4 ppg on 49.6 FG%, 7.2 rpg, 6.9 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.8 bpg

Playoffs

28.1 ppg on 48.2 FG%, 8.5 rpg, 6.5 apg, 1.7 spg, and 0.9 bpg.

Finals Stats

24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 6.4 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.6 bpg, 3.8 tov, 46.3 FG%, 76.1 FT%, 54.6 TS%

Larry Bird

Regular Season

24.3 ppg on 49.6 FG%, 10.0 rpg, 6.3 apg, 1.7 spg, and 0.8 bpg

Playoffs

23.8 ppg on 47.2 FG%, 10.3 rpg, 6.5 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.9 bpg

Finals

23.1 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 6.0 apg, 2.0 spg, 0.8 bpg, 2.9 tov, 45.6 FG%, 87.2 FT%, 53.4 TS%

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/b/larry_bird_vs_lebron_james.htm

[Lebron23]

Lebron should be rank higher than Bird. He's better than Larry, and the superior defensive player.

Are you telling me that a team of LeBron, Parish, Archibald, Maxwell, former Final MVP DJ, Danny Aingle, and Mchale won't win multiple NBA titles in the 1980's??

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lebron should be rank higher than Bird. He's better than Larry, and the superior defensive player.

Are you telling me that a team of LeBron, Parish, Archibald, Maxwell, former Final MVP DJ, Danny Aingle, and Mchale won't win multiple NBA titles in the 1980's??

Considering a team of Bosh Lebron & Wade BARELY WON multiple titles in the weakest conference of all time.. It's not even close to a guarantee

And that was against old ass Duncan not the legendary sixers and lakers teams

[SHAQisGOAT]

A 21 yr.old Lebron back in 2006 led the Cavalier to 50 wins for the first time since the 1993-94 NBA Season with his 2nd NBA scoring option missing 47 games in the regular season.

A Trio of Lebron, Mchale and Parish could also win multiple NBA titles in the 1980's.

Lebron is a better regular season, playoffs, and finals performer than Bird.

Listen kid, I'mma be simple here... You don't even know what you're talking about. And you're just a big LeBron fanboy.

Celtics went from 29W to 61W (2nd worst record to best) and the ECF in Bird's rookie season, with basically the same core roster and a new coach.
(Mostly) Larry "revived" a dying franchise. No Parish or McHale yet if you wanna talk about it.

^ LeBron didn't do something to that degree or that close... And, furthermore, Bird was leading them to a championship in only his 2nd season; Cowens gone and the only major addition being Parish, who was already 27 and never viewed as all that.
LeBron wouldn't be able to pull that off, period, and he never did.

You wanna talk about McHale? He was drafted by the Celtics, only starting to really come into his own by 1985 (never the same after 1987 ps injury also)... It wasn't just 'here's McHale playing just great', Larry was there from his 1st year all throughout his development...

While Bron joined two already established top10 players in the league, one at least top5... Again, McHale was a rookie in 1981, Parish was never viewed as all that before his Celtic years. Not the same.
Bird built that team from the ground up, in an extremely tough conference/league, while displaying terrific immediate impact.

Plus, LeBron can't maximize his teammates' play like Bird did, not even close... And Larry did that while vastly improving teams, and while winning big.
Bird could dominate on or off-ball, from the inside or from the outside, equally great in numerous "strategies", with numerous different types of teammates, shooting, posting up, rebounding, playing team D, passing right after he catches the ball or initiating the play, playing off-ball from himself and for others... James can't **** with that.

Parish was better when he joined the Celtics with Bird (at 27 already), Cornbread got better when Larry got there, McHale played better alongside Bird, DJ was able to revamp his career with the Celtics and the same goes for Walton on that one season, Ainge had his best shooting averages with the C's... While the team was winning big time, in fact they were shitty before he got there, considerably worse when he was out and then even better again when he returned as a shell.
LeBron can't mess with that.

Not to mention that Larry was playing in what most call the GOAT era and the GOAT conference... Wanna compare that to Bron's "situation"? :lol

Shit, you look at the 1984 Playoffs when most of the Celtics were playing well below their standards while Bird was playing like a complete beast and leading the team in points, rebounds, assists, steals, FG% and FT!
Larry willing that team over great competition while getting that title in the Finals against the mighty showtime Lakers with Kareem, Magic, Worthy, McAdoo, Cooper, Rambis, Wilkes, Scott...
If you think LeBron could pull that off you're kidding yourself :oldlol:




Why wouldn't LeBron have somewhat similar impact? The Cavs were shitty when LeBron was taken 1st overall and never had a pick higher than 10th the next 6yrs there.

Why would he leave (if his contract was up in the summer of 88') if he had the exact same teammates Bird did over that time?

Don't compare that to what Bird did or was able to do... Bron can't come close to it.

And I know about free-agency, that 'bolt' was figuratively... You could still play without showing heart and passion, without wanting to be there, you could still get traded...

Those Celtics - call it dynasty - didn't happen overnight (like I've talked about above), that shit wasn't like Bron joining Wade and Bosh, or being "given" Wade and Bosh, two already established top10 players in the league, one at least top5... Can't compare or like at thing like you're looking.

[Lebron23]

Considering a team of Bosh Lebron & Wade BARELY WON multiple titles in the weakest conference of all time.. It's not even close to a guarantee

And that was against old ass Duncan not the legendary sixers and lakers teams


Mchale and Parish were both better than Wade and Bosh in their last 2 championship runs. And that Celtics team were more talented, stacked, and loaded than the 2011-2014 Miami Heat.


Lebron and Bird (Regular Season, Playoffs, and Finals Stats)

http://www.basket4us.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/485759745-e1398058935544.jpg

Lebron James

Regular Season

27.4 ppg on 49.6 FG%, 7.2 rpg, 6.9 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.8 bpg

Playoffs

28.1 ppg on 48.2 FG%, 8.5 rpg, 6.5 apg, 1.7 spg, and 0.9 bpg.

Finals Stats

24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 6.4 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.6 bpg, 3.8 tov, 46.3 FG%, 76.1 FT%, 54.6 TS%

Larry Bird

Regular Season

24.3 ppg on 49.6 FG%, 10.0 rpg, 6.3 apg, 1.7 spg, and 0.8 bpg

Playoffs

23.8 ppg on 47.2 FG%, 10.3 rpg, 6.5 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.9 bpg

Finals

23.1 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 6.0 apg, 2.0 spg, 0.8 bpg, 2.9 tov, 45.6 FG%, 87.2 FT%, 53.4 TS%

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/b/larry_bird_vs_lebron_james.htm

[blood yes]

I know this is a troll post, but mods, how is this thread not deleted yet?

No wonder why ISH has been losing respect among bball fans lately:facepalm

[COnDEMnED]

I know this is a troll post, but mods, how is this thread not deleted yet?

No wonder why ISH has been losing respect among bball fans lately:facepalm
Who's alt is this?

[Kidbasketball20]

I know this is a troll post, but mods, how is this thread not deleted yet?

No wonder why ISH has been losing respect among bball fans lately:facepalm

OH NO! Losing respect among b ball fans. :cry: :cry:

[SHAQisGOAT]

That's why I said "same teammates as Bird had"

What? A team that was having the 2nd worst record in the league just two years before? :rolleyes:

In 1979-80 with basically the same core roster as in the previous season, a new coach and rookie Bird they improve by 32W and make the ECF.
Then in 1980-81 Cowens is gone, they get Parish (already 27 and never viewed as all that) and a rookie McHale who wasn't playing/doing much... They're winning a title.

Keeping telling yourself that though...




Lebron and Bird (Regular Season, Playoffs, and Finals Stats)

http://www.basket4us.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/485759745-e1398058935544.jpg

Lebron James

Regular Season

27.4 ppg on 49.6 FG%, 7.2 rpg, 6.9 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.8 bpg

Playoffs

28.1 ppg on 48.2 FG%, 8.5 rpg, 6.5 apg, 1.7 spg, and 0.9 bpg.

Finals Stats

24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 6.4 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.6 bpg, 3.8 tov, 46.3 FG%, 76.1 FT%, 54.6 TS%

Larry Bird

Regular Season

24.3 ppg on 49.6 FG%, 10.0 rpg, 6.3 apg, 1.7 spg, and 0.8 bpg

Playoffs

23.8 ppg on 47.2 FG%, 10.3 rpg, 6.5 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.9 bpg

Finals

23.1 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 6.0 apg, 2.0 spg, 0.8 bpg, 2.9 tov, 45.6 FG%, 87.2 FT%, 53.4 TS%

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/b/larry_bird_vs_lebron_james.htm

Well, guess that's that :rolleyes: Bron's kiddie stans trying to talk about shit they know nothing of, and using "dumb ways" to compare players... :oldlol:



Bird's 2nd best player was Robert Parish while Lebron's 2nd best player was Zydrunas Ilgauskas in the regular season. Archibald, Maxwell, and Parish also stepped up in the playoffs.

Don't know why they only "stepped up" or were considered all that when playing alongside Bird... Don't know why they never did nothing close to that in previous seasons, never "stepped up" before (playing for the C's with Larry).
:rolleyes:

Get it throuh your thick head that the Celtics had the 2nd worst record in the league before Bird got there, a franchise falling apart... Then with the same core roster they improve by 32W, get the best record and make the ECF.
In his 2nd year he was leading them to a title, with Cowens gone and major addition being Parish, who was never viewed as much.
Even when they were playing like shit, Bird wrecked shit up and willed them to a title against GOAT-level competition.

They were shitty before him, considerably worse when he was out, again better even he comes back as a shell.

And that dude was playing against competition that Bron has never "seen" (while winning rings and MVP's) in terms of teams and top players.

Yet you wanna name names, many names that Bird "made"... Or your 15-year old self wouldn't even know who they were.

[Lebron23]

What? A team that was having the 2nd worst record in the league just two years before? :rolleyes:

In 1979-80 with basically the same core roster as in the previous season, a new coach and rookie Bird they improve by 32W and make the ECF.
Then in 1980-81 Cowens is gone, they get Parish (already 27 and never viewed as all that) and a rookie McHale who wasn't playing/doing much... They're winning a title.

Keeping telling yourself that though...





Well, guess that's that :rolleyes: Bron's kiddie stans trying to talk about shit they know nothing of, and using "dumb ways" to compare players... :oldlol:




Don't know why they only "stepped up" or were considered all that when playing alongside Bird... Don't know why they never did nothing close to that in previous seasons, never "stepped up" before (playing for the C's with Larry).
:rolleyes:

Get it throuh your thick head that the Celtics had the 2nd worst record in the league before Bird got there, a franchise falling apart... Then with the same core roster they improve by 32W, get the best record and make the ECF.
In his 2nd year he was leading them to a title, with Cowens gone and major addition being Parish, who was never viewed as much.
Even when they were playing like shit, Bird wrecked shit up and willed them to a title against GOAT-level competition.

They were shitty before him, considerably worse when he was out, again better even he comes back as a shell.

And that dude was playing against competition that Bron has never "seen" (while winning rings and MVP's) in terms of teams and top players.

Yet you wanna name names, many names that Bird "made"... Or your 15-year old self wouldn't even know who they were.



Both Parish and Mchale were skilled, consistent, and tough big men. They improved all over the years. Mchale finished 3rd in MVP Voting in 1986 while RP was a 19/11 during his prime.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Mchale and Parish were both better than Wade and Bosh in their last 2 championship runs. And that Celtics team were more talented, stacked, and loaded than the 2011-2014 Miami Heat.


McHale was drafted by the C's and only hitting his prime in 1985, Parish was already 27 when he joined Boston, never viewed as all that, never amounted to much...

Bron joined Wade and Bosh when they were all in their primes... Joined two already established top10 players in the league, one at least top5, at the peak of their powers.

Again, Bron can't maximize his teammates' level of play like Bird did, not even close... And Larry did that while winning big against GOAT-level competition, while vastly improving teams.

Keep talking about who was playing better... I don't know why they got worse with Bron while being terrific before, while Bird did the exact "opposite" :rolleyes:

Talk about stacked too... Bird was also playing against competition that Bron can't begin to mess with. And Larry sticked through thick and thin while winning 3 titles while Bron bolted yet again, only winning two after joining those players I've mentioned, in an extremely weak conference.

Bron's kiddie stans kill me :roll:

And stop reposting that same statistics "bullshit"...

[SHAQisGOAT]

Both Parish and Mchale were skilled and tough big men. They improved all over the years. Mchale finished 3rd in MVP Voting in 1986.

Even Parish won 3 additional NBA titles without Bird.

Great response, you definitely showed me :rolleyes: That's your reply to what I've just said? Don't know why I even bother...

Go to school, son.

[3ball]

Both Parish and Mchale were skilled and tough big men. They improved all over the years. Mchale finished 3rd in MVP Voting in 1986.

Even Parish won 3 additional NBA titles without Bird.
you can't compare lebron's career stats to bird's, because up until 2009, lebron played on marginal cleveland teams where he was the only real offensive option, so his stats are more padded than bird's because of that.

and you can't even compare his playoff stats to bird's, because lebron has benefited from his career coinciding with the weakest Eastern Conference of all time.

so the only apples-to-apples comparison of stats is to look at the Finals stats.. and Bird's stats, performance, clutch play, and results are all obviously better than lebron's finals performance.

[Lebron23]

you can't compare lebron's career stats to bird's, because up until 2009, lebron played on marginal cleveland teams where he was the only real offensive option, so his stats are more padded than bird's because of that.

and you can't even compare his playoff stats to bird's, because lebron has benefited from his career coinciding with the weakest Eastern Conference of all time.

so the only apples-to-apples comparison of stats is to look at the Finals stats.. and Bird's stats, performance, clutch play, and results are all obviously better than lebron's finals performance.


You have been a huge LeBron hater since you registered in this forum. I never take any of your posts seriously.

PS:

Jordan never won a playoffs series against Bird's Celtics despite being better than him cause Bird team were stacked.

[20Four]

You have been a huge LeBron hater since you registered in this forum. I never take any of your posts seriously.

PS:

Jordan never won a playoffs series against Bird's Celtics despite being better than him cause Bird team were stacked.
If your filipino, you're a disgrace did leBRONZE buy you 50 bigmacs at your mcdonald's so your all up on his dick? stfu already fukkin bakla bitch

[Lebron23]

If your filipino, you're a disgrace did leBRONZE buy you 50 bigmacs at your mcdonald's so your all up on his dick? stfu already fukkin bakla bitch

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Cavaliers are winning the championship this year.

[Droid101]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Cavaliers are winning the championship this year.
Will bump.

[3ball]

You have been a huge LeBron hater since you registered in this forum. I never take any of your posts seriously.

PS:

Jordan never won a playoffs series against Bird's Celtics despite being better than him cause Bird team were stacked.
idk son... seems like common sense to check all the boxes to me.. :confusedshrug:

[x] you can't compare lebron's career stats to bird's, because up until 2009, lebron played on marginal cleveland teams where he was the only real offensive option, so his stats are more padded than bird's.

[x] you can't compare lebron's playoff stats to bird's, because lebron benefited from his career coinciding with the weakest Eastern Conference of all time.

[x] the only apples-to-apples comparison of stats is to look at the Finals stats so competition level and supporting cast aren't factors.. and Bird's stats, performance, clutch play, brand of basketball played, and results are all superior than what lebron has done in the Finals.

[Lebron23]

Will bump.


I already $ubcribed to this thread. Gonna enjoy reading the comment$ 5 month$ from now.


:D :D :D

[SexSymbol]

Lebron23 is one of the most consistently idiotic posters this forum has even seen.
Your opinion is mostly trash, you can't play ball for shit and still have the douchebagness to talk shit to others about it, i'm not gonna make fun that you're a filipino or a midget, but it's worth saying that you're the epitome of the napoleon syndrome.
46k posts of pure trash, maybe if you spent all that time on the court rather than posting shit, you'd be able to make open lay-ups

[Bandito]

What Legacy?

[Lebron23]

Lebron23 is one of the most consistently idiotic posters this forum has even seen.
Your opinion is mostly trash, you can't play ball for shit and still have the douchebagness to talk shit to others about it, i'm not gonna make fun that you're a filipino or a midget, but it's worth saying that you're the epitome of the napoleon syndrome.
46k posts of pure trash, maybe if you spent all that time on the court rather than posting shit, you'd be able to make open lay-ups


You are a euro bum/$tiff. I'll destroy your weak @$$ in ba$ketball, and in a $treet fight.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[TiagoSimoes]

You are a euro bum/$tiff. I'll destroy your weak @$$ in ba$ketball, and in a $treet fight.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

talking trash about euros when ur a Filipino midget..... :hammerhead:

[Lebron23]

talking trash about euros when ur a Filipino midget..... :hammerhead:


I'll de$troy both of your ugly looking $tiff$ in the b@$ketbal court. I am 5'11" BTW. Taller than you, your father and your homo brother$.

[tomtucker]

He ruined his Legacy when he bailed on Miami.....people had forgot the cavs days, and embraced/accepted him on the heat.......then he shat the bed again by leaving them as well

[20Four]

You are a euro bum/$tiff. I'll destroy your weak @$$ in ba$ketball, and in a $treet fight.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: dont make us laugh

[Droid101]

You are a euro bum/$tiff. I'll destroy your weak @$$ in ba$ketball, and in a $treet fight.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
https://ultimatepoker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/we-have-a-badass-over-here.png

[SamuraiSWISH]

You are a euro bum/$tiff.
:oldlol:

Lithuanians think they can play, but they just look like un-coordinated Ivan Drago's bouncing a basketball. Bunch of meat heads. They always come up to this gym we play at and they only play on each other's teams. It's hilarious.

[houston]

top ten greatest of all-time

[Beastmode88]

You are a euro bum/$tiff. I'll destroy your weak @$$ in ba$ketball, and in a $treet fight.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

:roll:

[Angel Face]

I'll de$troy both of your ugly looking $tiff$ in the b@$ketbal court. I am 5'11" BTW. Taller than you, your father and your homo brother$.

Most here thinks you're a midget, you claim to be 5'11"... Well, you can start by taking a picture of yourself standing beside a height meter to prove that you're really 5'11".

[Lebron23]

Most here thinks you're a midget, you claim to be 5'11"... Well, you can start by taking a picture of yourself standing beside a height meter to prove that you're really 5'11".


I'll take a picture with 5'6" Manny Pacquiao (officially measured by the PBA) when I watch a PBA game next month. You also need to post your pics in the post a pictures thread number 7, or post a video of you playing basketball.

[Lebron23]

Most here thinks you're a midget, you claim to be 5'11"... Well, you can start by taking a picture of yourself standing beside a height meter to prove that you're really 5'11".


If I prove that I am taller than 5'10". You little son of a Bitch. Are you willing to pay me $250 dollars?? I have no problem asking Manny Pacquiao to take a picture with him, or some of these 5'10" to 6"0" measured point guards in the PBA.

[Lebron23]

:oldlol:

Lithuanians think they can play, but they just look like un-coordinated Ivan Drago's bouncing a basketball. Bunch of meat heads. They always come up to this gym we play at and they only play on each other's teams. It's hilarious.


I agree, but some of them can play ball especially the slicker ones.

[poido123]

Legacy hmm...

He couldn't get it done with the Cavs first time around and leaves to join a super team in Miami to get an easier ring.

Once he realizes that heat team can't compete anymore, the core gets old, he decides to run back to Cleveland and surround himself with 2 fresh superstars and a team full of assets.

The 2011 finals.

Perhaps the most beta talent the game has seen. The guy is always trying to patch up insecurities and stack the deck in his favor.

His legacy is trash.

[Mr Feeny]

top ten greatest of all-time

He's probably already top 7-8 to he fair. By the time he's done he might well be top 3 or 4 or maybe higher. Who knows. It depends on how he finishes his career.

[AintNoSunshine]

Is any of those not your personal speculation? Lol

[tomtucker]

Legacy hmm...

He couldn't get it done with the Cavs first time around and leaves to join a super team in Miami to get an easier ring.

Once he realizes that heat team can't compete anymore, the core gets old, he decides to run back to Cleveland and surround himself with 2 fresh superstars and a team full of assets.

The 2011 finals.

Perhaps the most beta talent the game has seen. The guy is always trying to patch up insecurities and stack the deck in his favor.

His legacy is trash.
exactly......had he not left miami, he would have a somewhat decent legacy......we would remember the 4 straight finals apperences........not the going back and forth between teams

[Lebron23]

exactly......had he not left miami, he would have a somewhat decent legacy......we would remember the 4 straight finals apperences........not the going back and forth between teams


He wants to win an NBA title for the Cavaliers before he retires in the NBA.

[Akrazotile]

only magic had the eye test on his side


Magic was clearly a stud based on the Human EYE Value test.

His H.EYE.V. score was off the charts, i think i read one of the espn metrics guys say it was the highest ever recorded

[tomtucker]

He wants to win an NBA title for the Cavaliers before he retires in the NBA.

why didn

[20Four]

He wants to win an NBA title for the Cavaliers before he retires in the NBA.
I swear you are the dumbest fvcker in here, as I said you're a disgrace to Filipino's kill yourself you stupid mother fvcker

[riseagainst]

I swear you are the dumbest fvcker in here, as I said you're a disgrace to Filipino's kill yourself you stupid mother fvcker


:roll:

[Beastmode88]

He wants to win an NBA title for the Cavaliers before he retires in the NBA.

Used prime in miami why not cleveland?

[scandisk_]

I'll take a picture with 5'6" Manny Pacquiao (officially measured by the PBA) when I watch a PBA game next month. You also need to post your pics in the post a pictures thread number 7, or post a video of you playing basketball.

mmkay let's meet then. PM me the time n place. I bet you're as clueless in person :mad:

[TheBigVeto]

Magic was the Lebron of the 80's.

Playing on a stacked Pat Riley team in a shit conference.

This. He be scared so he had to join a team with a GOAT candidate in Kareem. Kareem is the undisputed greatest Laker player.