Shaw would have won more championships if not for David Stern

[hawkfan]

Stern changed the rules, intentionally to make it harder for Shaq to win.
Otherwise, Shaq might have the same number of rings as Russell.

Discuss.

Apologies for title - auto-correct on computer.

[Myth]

Who cares about Brian Shaw?

[AI Thornton]

Stern changed the rules, intentionally to make it harder for Shaq to win.
Otherwise, Shaq might have the same number of rings as Russell.

Discuss.

You can't be this dumb :roll:

[riseagainst]

Shaw?

[Ball So Harden]

If it weren't for Stern, Shaq would have LESS championships. Might as well say bye bye to Lakers rings of 2000 and 2002.

[JohnnySic]

The 2002 screwjob was Stern's masterwork.

[GimmeThat]

Shaq would have won more championships. The same way how Steve Kerr may figure out implementing the triangle offense with perimeter shooters.

[Akrazotile]

I think you mean if it werent for Kobe, Shaq would have won more championships.

[Chrono90]

basketball reasons

[HOoopCityJones]

I think you mean if it werent for Kobe, Shaq would have won more championships.

:wtf:

[COnDEMnED]

I think you mean if it werent for Kobe, Shaq would have won more championships.
Remind me...who has more rings again?

[Real14]

We talking about bench warmer Shaw tho:oldlol:

[Myth]

Remind me...who has more rings again?

This is a dumb argument. Young Shaq didn't get to ride an all-time great's prime.

[Real14]

Stern changed the rules, intentionally to make it harder for Shaq to win.
Otherwise, Shaq might have the same number of rings as Russell.

Discuss.

Apologies for title - auto-correct on computer.

11 rings? come on man:coleman:

[Uncle Drew]

I agree. If it wasn't for David Stern, Shaw would be challenging Russell for most rings.

[JohnMax]

Stern rigged 2002 WFC and 2006 Finals

[COnDEMnED]

This is a dumb argument. Young Shaq didn't get to ride an all-time great's prime.
That all time great won less championships with kobe off his team than on.

[Adam Silver]

Shaw should have played while I am commish. I love that guy.

[Real14]

Stern rigged 2002 WFC and 2006 Finals
yep and 2012 and 2013 finals also.

[hawkfan]

Mods correct the title please.

[Real14]

Shaw should have played while I am commish. I love that guy.
:coleman:

[Real14]

Mods correct the title please.
:lol

[Myth]

That all time great won less championships with kobe off his team than on.

Well no shit, because Shaq never got to play in his prime without Kobe on his team.

[Real14]

Well no shit, because Shaq never got to play in his prime without Kobe on his team.
1995 and 1996 magic.

[Myth]

1995 and 1996 magic.

Do you honestly believe 95/96 was Shaq's prime over the early 2000s? Shaq was a beast during those years, but it wasn't his prime.

[Real14]

Do you honestly believe 95/96 was Shaq's prime over the early 2000s? Shaq was a beast during those years, but it wasn't his prime.

yea but the early 2000s shaq had more help too.

[hawkfan]

:lol

Auto-correct.

[COnDEMnED]

Well no shit, because Shaq never got to play in his prime without Kobe on his team.
And Shaq was gone by the time Kobe reached his prime. Krispy Cream is the cause for Shaq not having more championships, not Kobe. Krispy Cream and laziness.

[Myth]

yea but the early 2000s shaq had more help too.

K, but that has nothing to do with my point.

[Real14]

K, but that has nothing to do with my point.
I'm just saying that's what helped him become a better player.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Well no shit, because Shaq never got to play in his prime without Kobe on his team.


please tell us the difference between 98,99 and 2000 Shaq the

Because Shaqs "prime" sure does coincidentally fall into olace with the exact same time Kobe became elite.

Shaq spent years in Orland with Nick Anderson, Horace Grant & first team all nba guard penny Hardaway. Didnt win anything.

Goes to the lakers, gets to play with 2 all star guards. Doesn't win anything until Kobe becomes elite and leads the nba playoffs in 4th quarter scoring for 3 straight years.

If Shaq is the MDE, then what is a 22 year old Kobe who out scored and out assisted him throughout the most dominant run in the western conference playoff run of all time.

Then Shaq gets to go play with the third goat shooting guard in Wade.

This would be like if Kobe spent his entire career playing with Shawn Kemp, Shaq and prime KG

[riseagainst]

K, but that has nothing to do with my point.

why does it not? Even if Shaq posted the same numbers but had the Lakers not win any championship from 2000 to 2002, no one would even mention "peak" Shaq as being arguably the most dominant force in NBA history during those years. Posting impressive numbers are just an after thought if you lose.

[TheMarkMadsen]

why does it not? Even if Shaq posted the same numbers but had the Lakers not win any championship from 2000 to 2002, no one would even mention "peak" Shaq as being arguably the most dominant force in NBA history during those years. Posting impressive numbers are just an after thought if you lose.

Exactly. Made 3 straight finals with Shaq. Then replaces Shaq with a 3rd team all nba big, and makes 3 straight finals again..

Shaq plays with prime penny (first team all nba) an prime wade (third goat shooting guard) and never got close to the type of succes he saw with Kobe.

[Psileas]

I agree. If it wasn't for David Stern, Shaw would be challenging Russell for most rings.

:wtf:
Isn't it Howard Stern?