Kyrie is a terrible PG

[Richesly]

Let's face it.

He's a great scorer, but not a good dimer. He is an SG that plays well with the ball in his hands, but is not good at all without it.

He plays under average defense, but makes up for it with his ridiculous overkill handles and is able to create his own shot and hit tough ones.

I think Kyrie should play the 2 instead of the 1. Cavs should find themselves a pass first PG.

I don't even think Kyrie is just a scoring PG, he doesn't even try to set his teammates up. He shoots at a very high volume, and can be actually pretty efficient.

too long didnt read: Cavs should shop for a PG.

[lilteapot]

Let's ignore the fact that this team plays way better with him on the court.

[Im so nba'd out]

Let's face it.

He's a great scorer, but not a good dimer. He is an SG that plays well with the ball in his hands, but is not good at all without it.

He plays under average defense, but makes up for it with his ridiculous overkill handles and is able to create his own shot and hit tough ones.

I think Kyrie should play the 2 instead of the 1. Cavs should find themselves a pass first PG.

I don't even think Kyrie is just a scoring PG, he doesn't even try to set his teammates up. He shoots at a very high volume, and can be actually pretty efficient.

too long didnt read: Cavs should shop for a PG.
LeBron dominates the ball so much its like kyrie's a sg so it's perfect when lebron is healthy :confusedshrug:

[Richesly]

Let's ignore the fact that this team plays way better with him on the court.

Because Kyrie is a huge threat from anywhere on the court and it automatically lays pressure off of his teammates. It doesn't mean he's a good PG.

[EricGordon23]

Let's ignore the fact that this team plays way better with him on the court.

Still hasn't made the playoffs in the east.. just saying obviously they will this year but thats not because of irving

top 8 point guard though

[Richesly]

LeBron dominates the ball so much its like kyrie's a sg so it's perfect when lebron is healthy :confusedshrug:

Thing is, LeBron and Kyrie don't mesh. Both are ball stoppers and disrupt any ball movement that the team has going. Wade and Bosh weren't actually all that ball stopping. Wade was a great off ball player, as well as Bosh.

Kyrie hasn't learned how to approach the LeBron Ball offense. HE can't get a rhythm going with LeBron dominating the ball rather than him. However, Bron doesn't look to set up Kyrie, mostly due to two things:

Kyrie doesn't move well off the ball
LeBron doesn't look for Kyrie off the bal

Add those factors together and bam, Kyrie is shut down by his own team.

[chocolatethunder]

The dude is fast and can score but he just makes awful decisions and shoots to much. His head is down way too much. It's awful. He shoots too early or holds on to the ball too long. It's painful to watch.

[chocolatethunder]

Perfect example of what I was saying. Comes down with about 20 seconds on the shot clock and shoots a long two for no reason. Never even entertained the idea of swinging the ball.

[PJR]

Talented isolation scorer, has no idea how to run a team.

John Wall made the leap, Kyrie is still stuck playing streetball.

[LONGTIME]

The dude is fast and can score but he just makes awful decisions and shoots to much. His head is down way too much. It's awful. He shoots too early or holds on to the ball too long. It's painful to watch.

Russell Westbrook.

[Im so nba'd out]

Thing is, LeBron and Kyrie don't mesh. Both are ball stoppers and disrupt any ball movement that the team has going. Wade and Bosh weren't actually all that ball stopping. Wade was a great off ball player, as well as Bosh.

Kyrie hasn't learned how to approach the LeBron Ball offense. HE can't get a rhythm going with LeBron dominating the ball rather than him. However, Bron doesn't look to set up Kyrie, mostly due to two things:

Kyrie doesn't move well off the ball
LeBron doesn't look for Kyrie off the bal

Add those factors together and bam, Kyrie is shut down by his own team.
All great players are ball stoppers though

[chocolatethunder]

Russell Westbrook.
Yes. He's like Russell Westbrook lite.

[Meticode]

Yes. He's like Russell Westbrook lite.
So you're saying Westbrook is a worse PG?

[BurningHammer]

Somebody might have to build a team for Kyrie like Iverson's Sixers so he can be elite.

[edrick]

It's okay, Kyrie got his shots up, no time for assists. Until this dude realizes that he cannot win shit on his own, the Cavs will suffer for it.

[chocolatethunder]

So you're saying Westbrook is a worse PG?
No I mean he's not as fast and not as good of a scorer or passer as Westbrook. Westbrook is better than Irvng at everything.

[LONGTIME]

So you're saying Westbrook is a worse PG?

Neither one of them is a PG.

[bluechox2]

lebron needs to trade for wade...get er done LeGM

[D-FENS]

Stephon Marbury v2.0

He'll end up in China at some stage

[The Red Viper]

Kyrie isn't a PG. He is a SG, and that too a very good one with an amazing handle which is amongst the best in the NBA, if not the best. The Cavs are much better off with LeBron running the offense.

[FireDavidKahn]

Kyrie = PG version of Love

[beastee]

I get sick of hearing that PGs have to be pass first guys only. Look how well that has worked out for CP3. 6 of the top 9 PGs in the league are shoot first types. It has to do with the evolution of the game and defensive rules.

Westbrook
Curry
Wall
CP3
Lowry
Lillard
Irving
Rose
Parker

[D-FENS]

I get sick of hearing that PGs have to be pass first guys only. Look how well that has worked out for CP3. 6 of the top 9 PGs in the league are shoot first types. It has to do with the evolution of the game and defensive rules.

Westbrook
Curry
Wall
CP3
Lowry
Lillard
Irving
Rose
Parker

Sorry bro, Wall is not shoot first, and Curry is a perfect mix.
Parker is totally shoot first, a shot jacker even - Lowry too

[beastee]

Sorry bro, Wall is not shoot first, and Curry is a perfect mix.
Parker is totally shoot first, a shot jacker even - Lowry too
Okay, you replaced two with 2 more. My point being that the majority of top 10 PGs in the game today are shot jackers. The position has changed. Alot has to do with bad bigs not being effective in the post anymore. Guards would rather just drive and score themselves than get an assist.

[Milbuck]

Talented isolation scorer, has no idea how to run a team.

John Wall made the leap, Kyrie is still stuck playing streetball.
Wall never had to make a leap, it's been steady refinement of natural talent he had from day 1. He always had the vision, quick-decision making skills as a playmaker, and willingness to feed teammates. He's followed a pretty normal trajectory in terms of development.

[D-FENS]

Okay, you replaced two with 2 more. My point being that the majority of top 10 PGs in the game today are shot jackers. The position has changed. Alot has to do with bad bigs not being effective in the post anymore. Guards would rather just drive and score themselves than get an assist.

Nope, wrong again. The bigs aren't terrible at scoring, the rules have changed and defenses have evolved. A guy like Vucevic would do just as well as someone like Rik Smits or Rony Seikaly in the 90's.

The game has changed, MJ ruined the league, Iverson started the craze of "PG" shot jackers. THe league has been on a decline since.

[Poetry]

Still hasn't made the playoffs in the east.. just saying obviously they will this year but thats not because of irving

top 8 point guard though

The kid is 22.

Age 19, Cavs went 21-45.
Age 20, Cavs went 24-58.
Age 21, Cavs went 33-49.
Age 22, Cavs went...

They got better every year.

He probably would have made the playoffs either this year or next year on his own.

[Big Cheese]

He plays like its an all star game. When he brings the ball up, he doesnt look to pass. He will do a couple of flashy and 1 crossovers, then jack up a shot.

Even when he was going off tonight, it was terrible basketball because the rest of the team was basically in spectator mode.

[D-FENS]

The kid is 22.

Age 19, Cavs went 21-45.
Age 20, Cavs went 24-58.
Age 21, Cavs went 33-49.
Age 22, Cavs went...

They got better every year.

He probably would have made the playoffs either this year or next year on his own.

GTFO

[chocolatethunder]

Nope, wrong again. The bigs aren't terrible at scoring, the rules have changed and defenses have evolved. A guy like Vucevic would do just as well as someone like Rik Smits or Rony Seikaly in the 90's.

The game has changed, MJ ruined the league, Iverson started the craze of "PG" shot jackers. THe league has been on a decline since.
Except that Eric Snow was their PG. They experiment of Iverson being a Pg in Philly was short lived. Snow brought up the ball and when he went to the bench McKie brought it up and sometimes other guards. Iverson got the ball once Snow brought it up but Iverson wasn't a PG.

[RedBlackAttack]

He plays like its an all star game. When he brings the ball up, he doesnt look to pass. He will do a couple of flashy and 1 crossovers, then jack up a shot.

Even when he was going off tonight, it was terrible basketball because the rest of the team was basically in spectator mode.
Except, that's not at all accurate. I thought the ball movement was really good tonight, especially in the first three quarters. Many of Kyrie's made baskets and best plays came tonight after the defense was out of position due to the ball swinging around the horn.

Meanwhile, the shots were distributed fairly enough, considering they were missing three of five starters. Even on a night where his shot was really going and Love was off, the disparity between Kyrie and Kevin in terms of FGAs was only 26-19, and that included three 3s at the end by Irving when the game was essentially over. Desperation heaves.

I mean, Matthew Dellavedova put up 8 shots. Do you really want him taking more than that?

It's amazing to me that, even on a night where Irving directly accounted for 18 of the Cavs' 34 made field goals and basically single handidly kept the team in the game for 3 1/2 quarters, he's still getting lambasted. For the seven minutes where he was off the floor tonight, the Cavs were outscored by 5 points (when you play 41 minutes, that 5 point swing in 7 minutes is important).

It should be noted that Kyrie's usage is WAY down on the year and, from all reports, he has totally bought into Blatt's system. Blatt has glowing things to say about him, even beyond what you would expect from a coach to a star player.

But, with three starters out and those who are playing struggling to make even the most wide open look, Kyrie's a great enough scorer to carry a team when his shot is really falling. He did that tonight on a shorthanded team for 3 1/2 quarters.

He has played a totally different kind of game when the roster is healthy, but tonight was far from that. And, he shot a sterling 58% from the field.

Still, here we are... hearing about how much he sucks again. SMH

[Kingwillball]

Except, that's not at all accurate. I thought the ball movement was really good tonight, especially in the first three quarters. Many of Kyrie's made baskets and best plays came tonight after the defense was out of position due to the ball swinging around the horn.

Meanwhile, the shots were distributed fairly enough, considering they were missing three of five starters. Even on a night where his shot was really going and Love was off, the disparity between Kyrie and Kevin in terms of FGAs was only 26-19, and that included three 3s at the end by Irving when the game was essentially over. Desperation heaves.

I mean, Matthew Dellavedova put up 8 shots. Do you really want him taking more than that?

It's amazing to me that, even on a night where Irving directly accounted for 18 of the Cavs' 34 made field goals and basically single handidly kept the team in the game for 3 1/2 quarters, he's still getting lambasted. For the seven minutes where he was off the floor tonight, the Cavs were outscored by 5 points (when you play 41 minutes, that 5 point swing in 7 minutes is important).



It should be noted that Kyrie's usage is WAY down on the year and, from all reports, he has totally bought into Blatt's system. Blatt has glowing things to say about him, even beyond what you would expect from a coach to a star player.

But, with three starters out and those who are playing struggling to make even the most wide open look, Kyrie's a great enough scorer to carry a team when his shot is really falling. He did that tonight on a shorthanded team for 3 1/2 quarters.

He has played a totally different kind of game when the roster is healthy, but tonight was far from that. And, he shot a sterling 58% from the field.


Still, here we are... hearing about how much he sucks again. SMH

If the Cavs are going anywhere this year or at least playing well odds are you won't be seeing much of Dely or Harris on the court unless the game is a blowout. Once Lebron and Shump Returns and Smith gets comfortable expect to see a lot of those 3 on court along with Irving Love and Mozgov. I expect Playoff Rotation to be Irving,Shump,Lebron,Love,Mozgov,Thompson,Smith and Miller or Matrix. Maybe a Dalembert Type as well at times.

The best Defensive Lineup at this point the Cavs will be able to put on court will be Irving(needs to Improve) Shump,Lebron,Thompson,Mozgov

[Lebron23]

He played great tonight. Kevin Love was awful offensively.

[IGOTGAME]

been saying this from day 1. Guy does not know how to run a team. He doesn't get it. but he is still a very good player.

[andremiller07]

Less efficient Isaiah Thomas (when Thomas was starting for the Kings)

[Sharmer]

He's a combo guard.

[KungFuJoe]

Kevin Love was a disgrace this game. Kyrie kept them in it.

[KyrieTheFuture]

None of you watched the game did you. Kyrie is the only reason we didn't lose by 20. Look at the rest of the team, who do you think was capable of making a shot?

[hawksdreamfan44]

I agree. But what if they just tried LeBron as their primary ball-handler?

[The JKidd Kid]

Russell Westbrook.

But Russell Westbrook plays elite defense along with being a much better passer and rebounder than Kyrie. Also Westbrooks energy and hustle on the floor is in a completely different stratosphere than 99% of the league.

[chocolatethunder]

But Russell Westbrook plays elite defense along with being a much better passer and rebounder than Kyrie. Also Westbrooks energy and hustle on the floor is in a completely different stratosphere than 99% of the league.
But his brain is worse than 80% of the league.

[toneloc103]

Except, that's not at all accurate. I thought the ball movement was really good tonight, especially in the first three quarters. Many of Kyrie's made baskets and best plays came tonight after the defense was out of position due to the ball swinging around the horn.

Meanwhile, the shots were distributed fairly enough, considering they were missing three of five starters. Even on a night where his shot was really going and Love was off, the disparity between Kyrie and Kevin in terms of FGAs was only 26-19, and that included three 3s at the end by Irving when the game was essentially over. Desperation heaves.

I mean, Matthew Dellavedova put up 8 shots. Do you really want him taking more than that?

It's amazing to me that, even on a night where Irving directly accounted for 18 of the Cavs' 34 made field goals and basically single handidly kept the team in the game for 3 1/2 quarters, he's still getting lambasted. For the seven minutes where he was off the floor tonight, the Cavs were outscored by 5 points (when you play 41 minutes, that 5 point swing in 7 minutes is important).

It should be noted that Kyrie's usage is WAY down on the year and, from all reports, he has totally bought into Blatt's system. Blatt has glowing things to say about him, even beyond what you would expect from a coach to a star player.

But, with three starters out and those who are playing struggling to make even the most wide open look, Kyrie's a great enough scorer to carry a team when his shot is really falling. He did that tonight on a shorthanded team for 3 1/2 quarters.

He has played a totally different kind of game when the roster is healthy, but tonight was far from that. And, he shot a sterling 58% from the field.

Still, here we are... hearing about how much he sucks again. SMH

I agree for the most part, but there were several posessions when the game was close when Kyrie went into and-1 mode when Love was clearly open on the wings. After one sequence you could see Love kinda throw his arms up like "WTF man". When the defense closes in on Kyrie thats when he has to look to kick the ball out, which he refuses to do. he is very skilled, and very talented, but not very team oriented. i get the fact that there was no one else to really score and Love was off, but thats where trust in your team mates comes in. harris can hit a corner jumper. Love, can too. He needs to go more into team mode than iso mode sometimes. 1 vs 5 rarely works...