Proof that you can't believe ex-players or Wiki

[3ball]

FROM WIKI:

Another one of Price's distinguishing traits on the court was his pioneering of the splitting of the double team. As former teammate Steve Kerr explains, “Mark really revolutionized the way that people attack the screen and roll. To me, he was the first guy in the NBA who really split the screen and roll. A lot of teams started blitzing the pick and roll and jumping two guys at it to take the ball out of the hands of the point guard. He’d duck right between them and shoot that little runner in the lane. Nobody was doing that at that time. You watch an NBA game now and almost everybody does that. Mark was a pioneer in that regard."


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pure poppycock, revisionist history - this is the kind of thing that guys say to the media in the moment, but it isn't true at all... they are just saying it because the reporter asked a certain question and kerr's a good, friendly guy, so he tells the reporter what he wants to hear and the conversation continues on a friendly note..

but in reality, jordan was splitting double teams as a rookie, better than price ever could... here he is using a higher level of navigation efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360900) than anyone ever has (taking the most steps with the least dribbles) - how many guys take ZERO dribbles after the crossover to split the double, and they are at the rim dunking on someone?... how about no one... and jordan did this as a standard.
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[Cocaine80s]

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[Kvnzhangyay]

so basically you uploaded one gif to say that you know more about the nba than ex-players and the wiki

[3ball]

so basically you uploaded one gif to say that you know more about the nba than ex-players and the wiki


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it was standard for jordan to split the double with a crossover, and then get to the rim with no more dribbles - this is GOAT navigation efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360900) that no one in history has duplicated and it represents a GOAT combination of skill and athleticism.

[plowking]

Good point OP.

It's why most people don't believe these stupid former players that say the game was better back in the day. We all know it is better now.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I think splitting doubles is something Price did regularly hence the confusion. To say he "created" it is obviously a stretch and classic hyperbole.

Nice gifs, by the way.

[oarabbus]

OP literally makes this forum less fun

OP the type of dude that takes the ball with him when he gets mad so no one else can play :oldlol:

[3ball]

OP the type of dude that takes the ball with him when he gets mad so no one else can play :oldlol:


ha nice one... :banana:

[Kvnzhangyay]

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it was standard for jordan to split the double with a crossover, and then get to the rim with no more dribbles - this is GOAT navigation efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360900) that no one in history has duplicated and it represents a GOAT combination of skill and athleticism.

3 nice. And don't forget the only counterargument you have to ex-players and wiki is this one cherrypicked statement

[JohnMax]

OP looks for excuses to post about Jordan

[3ball]

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my point is that not only are kerr and wiki dead wrong, but the GIF above is how guys do it today - they take a ton of extra dribbles and have the worst navigation efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360900).

klay takes TWO extra dribbles after the double-team-splitting crossover, and he sneaks in an extra dribble before the crossover too - this demonstrates an inferior level of both skill and athleticism... this is a ditto for all of today's players... :confusedshrug:

taking my ball and going home now.. :( .. :D

[pauk]

True about Price, but unfortunately MJ was not the first one to do it either....

[3ball]

3 nice. And don't forget the only counterargument you have to ex-players and wiki is this one cherrypicked statement

that's 3 more than you can show from ANY player today using that level of navigation efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360900) (getting to the rim with no dribbles after the crossover).

but jordan did it all the time - it's nothing to find more:


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[Lebron23]

[QUOTE=3ball]FROM WIKI:

[I][b]Another one of Price's distinguishing traits on the court was his pioneering of the splitting of the double team. As former teammate Steve Kerr explains,

[3ball]

https://kclal24.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/idiot.jpg


posting your selfie again.. :facepalm

[3ball]

I think splitting doubles is something Price did regularly hence the confusion.



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jordan got doubled on the perimeter more than any player in history so comparing him to price is a joke.. and obviously, he split them far better than price and it's not close - does he LOOK like he's unaccustomed to splitting double teams or not an expert at it?

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[Budadiiii]

posting your selfie again.. :facepalm
http://i.imgur.com/4E143gB.jpg

Here he is rocking an MJ jersey. :cheers:

[Kblaze8855]

Ive seen Earl Monroe split the double off a screen with a behind the back through the legs move. Nobody we could find invented anything. Price made it fairly well known. Like Marburys running back style gather step. Im sure people did it earlier...but he made it well known.

[3ball]

Ive seen Earl Monroe split the double off a screen with a behind the back through the legs move.

Nobody we could find invented anything. Price made it fairly well known.



funny how Price gets credit for it, but MJ and others did it so much better before he ever did it... :facepalm

just like Elgin Baylor made the Elgin-Step (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=354072) a common move, but euros get credit instead, and it's called a eurostep... :facepalm

btw, here's another behind the back split of the double... he gets to the rim with only one dribble after the crossover to split the double (it's usually zero dribbles) - again, this is the highest level of navigation efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360900) and represents the goat combination of skill/athleticism.


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[chocolatethunder]

I'm not sure if you mentioned it yet but it's called navigation efficiency.

[Kblaze8855]

Its not really funny...its just sports.

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Mikan 60 years ago. Dirk will always be credited with the one foot fadeaway. Its no slight to Mikan. Dirk made it well known...a big part of his game.

Not like Kareem created the hook...or even his version. Guys were shooting picture perfect sky hooks in the 40s. Dolph Schayes had a mean one in the 50s. Pettit too....though he said he retired it when Bill Russell caught it.

You cant keep getting annoyed with such things. You would never have a moment of peace. Its....endless.

[FKAri]

OP is making me angry. I hate you OP.

[Lebron23]

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[3ball]

OP is making me angry. I hate you OP.


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[Uncle Drew]

3ball has to be the worst gimmick in history of the internet.

[3ball]

Fantastic find. Also..

Jim Neal of the Syracuse Nationals during the 1954 finals almost pulls off the skyhook in this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkD4GRGdCZI#t=4m24s
kareem has never been credited with inventing or popularizing the skyhook.

the skyhook was a very common move before kareem ever used it... there are tons of white dudes in the 50's where all they shot was skyhooks.

the move sort of died out though, and kareem was the only one left using it.

[3ball]

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in the GIF below, look specifically at horace grant under the rim - the rules in previous eras didn't require horace to stay within armslength (http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html) of his man, so he decides to stop under the rim and camp in the paint, instead of following his man toni kukocs out to the 3-point line in the far corner - this allows Horace to get there AHEAD OF TIME to block MJ, but MJ dunks on him anyway...


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otoh, look specifically at harrison barnes near the far corner below - durant must stay within armslength (http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html) of barnes to remain in the paint - so durant goes towards the edge of the paint to stay within "armslength", and consequently, he's late coming over.


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[ralph_i_el]

Navigational Efficiency
Arghelbargle

I <3 Mj

OP spent his entire welfare check on commissioning MJ erotica

[SugarHill]

OP literally makes this forum less fun

OP the type of dude that takes the ball with him when he gets mad so no one else can play :oldlol:
:roll:

[pudman13]

Fantastic find. Also..

Jim Neal of the Syracuse Nationals during the 1954 finals almost pulls off the skyhook in this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkD4GRGdCZI#t=4m24s

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[lilteapot]

I'm not sure if you mentioned it yet but it's called navigation efficiency.
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[KNOW1EDGE]

Lmfao

OP posts a gif of Klay splitting a double team and throwing down a monster dunk as proof that he is not athletic.

[3ball]

OP posts a gif of Klay splitting a double team and throwing down a monster dunk as proof that he is not athletic.



There are different levels of athleticism:




JUST "OKAY" ATHLETICISM (takes a ton of dribbles... poor navigation efficiency):

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/551f6f86b0bf723e2b2530dd567c3470.gif




"PRETTY GOOD" (only 1 dribble after the crossover, solid skill/athleticism):

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/72ba436dcb0b82136d9e3719fd662dde.gif




"GOAT" (no dribbles after the crossover - goat combo of skill/athleticism):

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/84c946f42dd327e73e2dcffd6a85b965.gif

[ralph_i_el]

There are different levels of athleticism:




JUST "OKAY" ATHLETICISM (takes a ton of dribbles... poor navigation efficiency):

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/551f6f86b0bf723e2b2530dd567c3470.gif




"PRETTY GOOD" (only 1 dribble after the crossover, solid skill/athleticism):

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/72ba436dcb0b82136d9e3719fd662dde.gif




"GOAT" (no dribbles after the crossover - goat combo of skill/athleticism):

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/84c946f42dd327e73e2dcffd6a85b965.gif


oh so MJ is the GOAT because he traveled?

[lilteapot]

Why are the worst posters on this forum OKC fans?

[La Frescobaldi]

oh so MJ is the GOAT because he traveled?
everything I've seen this guy write is banal. and it never stops.

Just like this trashy show, using a clip of jordan breaking the rules as a display of greatness.... when what it really does is belittle Jordan a little more. Every example he uses is just.... bad.

Then he goes off on those endless rants about defense rule changes.

Like he has made a blinding discovery on the level of Newton or Einstein.... that no one else in all of history ever knew or could have ever figured out except through the brilliance and guiding hand of 8ball.

[3ball]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/84c946f42dd327e73e2dcffd6a85b965.gif.. Hop-Step, No Travel





oh so MJ is the GOAT because he traveled?



he didn't travel on the in GIF above - even though he doesn't take any more dribbles after the crossover and still gets all the way to the rim (which is why it's a great play), he uses a UNIQUE hop-step (where he sneaks a step in there right before the jumpstop) that keeps his footwork in sync - he's the only player to use this move.

on the other double-team splits, shown again below, he doesn't do the hop-step, but still has the right footwork to get all the way to the rim without taking another dribble and without travelling - taking the most steps with the least dribbles is goat navigation efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360900), and a represents a goat combination of skill and athleticism.


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[josh99]

There are different levels of athleticism:




JUST "OKAY" ATHLETICISM (takes a ton of dribbles... poor navigation efficiency):

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/551f6f86b0bf723e2b2530dd567c3470.gif




"PRETTY GOOD" (only 1 dribble after the crossover, solid skill/athleticism):

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/72ba436dcb0b82136d9e3719fd662dde.gif




"GOAT" (no dribbles after the crossover - goat combo of skill/athleticism):

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/84c946f42dd327e73e2dcffd6a85b965.gif
Are you blind?? :facepalm

1. Klay Thompson's gif is completely different from any of the others. He has to take more dribbles to get around Adams and make sure Ibaka doesn't reach in and steal it.

2. Westbrooks pick and roll is above the 3 point line, Jordan's is below the 3 point line.

3. Jordan is more athletic than these players so of course he is able to take make more athletic plays. However being athletic doesn't automatically make you better or otherwise someone like StrowShow would be one of the GOATs.

[3ball]

Are you blind?

Westbrooks pick and roll is above the 3 point line, Jordan's is below the 3 point line.


i've posted many GIFs itt where Jordan splits the double above the 3-point line - here's one:

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/aa47725ab85375e6ff05d166e55f8865.gif




However being athletic doesn't automatically make you better or otherwise someone like StrowShow would be one of the GOATs.


you have to be athletic AND SKILLED to reach the basket with less dribbles and you must have goat skill to do the Jordan hop-step shown in previous GIFs.

and jordan wasn't just athletic - he's the one-and-only GOAT (there is only ONE goat btw).. whereas today's players enjoy the benefits of spacing... jordan never played with spacing, yet his stats are still GOAT.
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[3ball]

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Here is the "Jordan Hop-Step" - only MJ used this particular type of hop-step (where he sneaks in a step right before the jumpstop) - it allows the player to take one LESS dribble on the way to the rim:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/21a54aa0a5fba8147ca8f4115a958495.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/ba9fd4268abc499427cdf0b22010e616.gif

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http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_with_goat_skill_with_th_49b2a4037f09108b778 ba633988021f0.gif

http://www.gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/b876dea843318cdef43455151a49635f.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/5c9df0301650c4537f9711b2722051eb.gif



the only other guy i've ever seen do it is gerald green:..:confusedshrug:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/2275dd49763c25ac92c07026ef81c174.gif.


The proprietary hop-step above isn't the first thing MJ invented - he also invented the MJ Lean-In (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10823586&postcount=49).. But with the lean-in, everyone has copied him, whereas only MJ and Green use this specific hop-step.

Both are GOAT NAVIGATION EFFICIENCY (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360900)
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[ArbitraryWater]

OP literally makes this forum less fun

OP the type of dude that takes the ball with him when he gets mad so no one else can play :oldlol:

:roll: :roll:

[3ball]

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wiki, kerr, and half the media flat-out lying... :facepalm

again, i'm not knocking kerr for saying it - it's just one of those things that you say because you know the interviewer wants to hear it and it keeps the conversation going on a friendly note - but it DOES give less knowledgeable fans a misperception..