Reggie Jackson's days are looking numbered...

[navy]

Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA

[Cocaine80s]

Houston should try and get him lol

[navy]

Houston should try and get him lol
:lol

[longtime lurker]

[QUOTE=navy]Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA

[Smook A.]

Houston should try and get him lol
Gross

[navy]

What would the Thunder want for him? Lakers and Knicks are two teams that I could see him flourishing on.
Perkins gone probably

[inclinerator]

how quickly they turn on him

[SwishSquared]

No way he's coming back next season and somebody will trade for him, likely just to duck the luxury tax. Knicks would make sense but I doubt OKC is enticed by anything that NYK are offering.

[longtime lurker]

Perkins gone probably

Perkins is an expiring contract so what's the incentive for the Thunder? Pick? Impact player? They're pretty much set at every position.

[Magic731]

Wait, so a teammate who is unhappy when a shot doesn't go on means he is gone?

[christian1923]

Knicks please

[SwishSquared]

Wait, so a teammate who is unhappy when a shot doesn't go on means he is gone?
OKC's owners have never paid the luxury tax and they're currently set to pay it this year. Dumping Reggie for pick(s) would avoid that. This isn't the first time teammates have been mad at him. When Russ/KD were injured, Ibaka & Perkins (lol) were mad at his ball-hogging. He's also stated he wants to be a star and a starter.

[Springsteen]

I thought KD said they make teammates feel wanted? :(

[LoneyROY7]

Sh*t I'll take him over Farmar.

[KG215]

Perkins is an expiring contract so what's the incentive for the Thunder? Pick? Impact player? They're pretty much set at every position.
Good back-up big. We're not set there. Collison's days are numbered and McGary isn't ready to contribute. I know Durant can play PF and PJ3 isn't bad (though he's more of a SF/SG type who can play smallball PF...like a poor man's, homeless man's Durant), but OKC doesn't really have a reliable, consistent "true" back-up frontcourt player.

I'm fed up with Reggie, too, and I think most Thunder fans have been for most of the season. He's become too confident in his abilities and his shot selection has gone to crap. He's now good for one extremely high-arcing stepback 3 (or really, really long 2) that falls miserably short and doesn't even catch the rim. That, and he's settling for a lot more pull-up and stepback jumpers instead of attacking than the last couple of seasons. He's been wildly inconsistent and, more often than not, crap. Waiters has a higher ceiling, is probably already a better, very similar player, and he's on a cheap contract for one more year. Reggie and Waiters are pretty redundant and Waiters is better. Sure, for the one or two out of every 7-10 games they're both on and/or clicking, we're going to be scary good; but I'm afraid more often than not it's going to be a "one or the other" situation.

I just think Reggie's time in OKC has run out and we need to move him while his value is still relatively high. I still think he can flourish in the right situation, but I don't think that situation is OKC. He's someone who wants to start and be a 3rd-ish option on a team. I think he can be that on a bottom half (4-8 seed) type playoff team or borderline playoff team, but he can't be that on a legit contender. And as long as he's in OKC it's just going to keep causing problems, especially now that we've got Waiters. So if we can find a deal, and a team, willing to take him on knowing he's a FA to be after the season, and Perkins' expiring contract, and we can get a good bench big out of it, I'm all for a trade.

[longtime lurker]

Good back-up big. We're not set there. Collison's days are numbered and McGary isn't ready to contribute. I know Durant can play PF and PJ3 isn't bad (though he's more of a SF/SG type who can play smallball PF...like a poor man's, homeless man's Durant), but OKC doesn't really have a reliable, consistent "true" back-up frontcourt player.

I'm fed up with Reggie, too, and I think most Thunder fans have been for most of the season. He's become too confident in his abilities and his shot selection has gone to crap. He's now good for one extremely high-arcing stepback 3 (or really, really long 2) that falls miserably short and doesn't even catch the rim. He's been wildly inconsistent and, more often than not, crap. Waiters has a higher ceiling, is probably already a better, very similar player, and he's on a cheap contract for one more year. Reggie and Waiters are pretty redundant and Waiters is better. Sure, for the one or two out of every 7-10 games they're both on and/or clicking, we're going to be scary good; but I'm afraid more often than not it's going to be a "one or the other" situation.

I just think Reggie's time in OKC has run out and we need to move him while his value is still relatively high. I still think he can flourish in the right situation, but I don't think that situation is OKC. He's someone who wants to start and be a 3rd-ish option on a team. I think he can be that on a bottom half (4-8 seed) type playoff team or borderline playoff team, but he can't be that on a legit contender. And as long as he's in OKC it's just going to keep causing problems, especially now that we've got Waiters. So if we can find a deal, and a team, willing to take him on knowing he's a FA to be after the season, and Perkins' expiring contract, and we can get a good bench big out of it, I'm all for a trade.

So when you say back up big you mean like a Patrick Patterson, Koufos or Jordan Hill?

[Springsteen]

Do OKC fans really believe Waiters is worth keeping over Reggie Jackson? The Dion Waiters who was reported to have said he was better than Kyrie Irving and clashed teammates for not letting him jack enough shots per game?

[KDthunderup]

So when you say back up big you mean like a Patrick Patterson, Koufos or Jordan Hill?
Zaza would be a bitter fit.

[imdaman99]

Whats their beef with him? Dude had an amazing game to pretty much save OKC's season when the other 2 guys had really bad games in the Grizz series last year. I guess because Dion Waiters is playing better D? That means Roberson is pretty much done too, that guy couldn't shoot if he was wide open all day every day.

[KG215]

So when you say back up big you mean like a Patrick Patterson, Koufos or Jordan Hill?
Yes, someone on or about that level. But it'd have to be a deal, if it involves Perkins, that returns us a center. Or at the very least a PF/C type and not a stretch PF. Preferably we can ship them both to teams in rebuild mode and not to another playoff team. Collison has always been one of my 2-3 favorite Thunder players, and he's a "lifer" at this point, but he's been more bad than good this year and he just can't be relied upon to consistently contribute the way we need him to if we want to compete for a championship. And McGary just isn't ready, yet, and may never be.

[navy]

Whats their beef with him? Dude had an amazing game to pretty much save OKC's season when the other 2 guys had really bad games in the Grizz series last year. I guess because Dion Waiters is playing better D? That means Roberson is pretty much done too, that guy couldn't shoot if he was wide open all day every day.
Probably the worst thing to happen to him, inflated his ego.

[Heavincent]

Reggie Jackson plays like a bonehead. Been saying it all season.

[KG215]

Do OKC fans really believe Waiters is worth keeping over Reggie Jackson? The Dion Waiters who was reported to have said he was better than Kyrie Irving and clashed teammates for not letting him jack enough shots per game?
Maybe it's a little too soon to give up on Reggie and prefer Dion at this point, but this has been building up most of the season. I mean there were visible frustrations with Reggie from teammates in November while Durant and Westbrook were injured. And Reggie just hasn't been very good this year. Like I said, his shot selection has been terrible, he's settling for way too many pull-up and stepback jumpers, and he's starting to abandon his crafty and reliable attack, floater/runner game; and he's always been a terrible defender.

Waiters isn't nearly as good of a defender as Roberson, but he's at least on Reggie's level as an offensive player, if not better. Maybe the change of scenery will help Dion. I mean he was quoted tonight saying,
"It's a lot different," he said. "I'm able to play. I don't got to look over my shoulder, anything like that, if I make a mistake. Coaches tell me to play, be aggressive. Be me. Once you get told that, the game's easy."

Sometimes a change of scenery can be good for a player and it can change their attitude and outlook. I'm not saying that's definitively the case for Dion. It's too soon to tell. But by the trade deadline we should have a pretty good idea who's more valuable to OKC between Reggie and Waiters.

[kurple]

How bout Reggie Jackson, Kendrick Perkins and 2nd round pick -4- Wilson Chandler and Nate Robinson

[KDthunderup]

How bout Reggie Jackson, Kendrick Perkins and 2nd round pick -4- Wilson Chandler and Nate Robinson
no

[KG215]

How bout Reggie Jackson, Kendrick Perkins and 2nd round pick -4- Wilson Chandler and Nate Robinson
Can't see OKC pulling the trigger for a trade involving Perkins unless they got a center in return. Without Perkins their only back-up bigs are Collison and McGary, both of whom can fill in at center in a pinch, but not really players you want there for more than a few minutes a game if necessary. I'd love to add Wilson Chandler because it'd give us another 3P shooter. I don't want anything to do with Nate, though.

Of course if OKC trades Reggie they need a back-up PG; then again I'm in the camp that believes Waiters can play the back-up "PG" role better than Reggie. Reggie is far from a distributor and, more often than not, has been a chucker this year who has been miserable at getting his teammates involved. At the very least we can get that same level of PG ineptitude from Waiters. I think we have a bigger need for a legit back-up big man instead of Perkins and Collison's corpse.

[kurple]

idk, there were reports a month or so that OKC wanted Wilson

Both WC and Nate could really help in a title run


but i guess it depends on wether or not OKC are actually looking to trade Reggie, and what other potential deals are on the table.

Most teams are pretty set at PG

[kurple]

Can't see OKC pulling the trigger for a trade involving Perkins unless they got a center in return. Without Perkins their only back-up bigs are Collison and McGary, both of whom can fill in at center in a pinch, but not really players you want there for more than a few minutes a game if necessary. I'd love to add Wilson Chandler because it'd give us another 3P shooter.

Of course if OKC trades Reggie they need a back-up PG; then again I'm in the camp that believes Waiters can play the back-up "PG" role better than Reggie. Reggie is far from a distributor and, more often than not, has been a chucker this year who has been miserable at getting his teammates involved. At the very least we can get that same level of PG ineptitude from Waiters. I think we have a bigger need for a legit back-up big man instead of Perkins and Collison's corpse.
That makes more sense! I think Afflalo is also on his way out. Hope the FO gets creative. Could land a decent big man filler and a pick (for ourself) for Afflalo

[oarabbus]

5 points on 2-6 shootins is really not that bad...

[sportjames23]

how quickly they turn on him

Right? Didn't Reggie bail OKC out during the playoffs a few times?

[T_L_P]

Right? Didn't Reggie bail OKC out during the playoffs a few times?

Then Durant threw a temper tantrum when Reggie called a TO instead of inboundind the ball.

Reggie is a goon, and not much of a player imo. But it's obvious that he's the team's whipping boy, and he shouldn't be.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Let's be real, the Thunder are a joke when it comes to running an offense or being an actual NBA team.

Great players though. Trade Jackson for somebody who can chuck 3's if Westbrook or Durant happen to have to throw a pass out to them when they get doubled up.

[SwishSquared]

Let's be real, the Thunder are a joke when it comes to running an offense or being an actual NBA team.

Great players though. Trade Jackson for somebody who can chuck 3's if Westbrook or Durant happen to have to throw a pass out to them when they get doubled up.
They have Morrow for that, but Brooks is too stubborn to play him more mins, Morrow can't play D (or is so bad that the rest of the team can't cover him), or OKC's staff is afraid that they'll get diminishing returns if he gets more time. Maybe a combo of the three, idk. This team has been looking for a legit 2 guard for some time now. Of course, Perkins + a first likely could have gotten them Affalo in summer 2013 or even last summer.

[Jakeh008]

Tunder should trade for Kanter and Calderon.

Give the Knicks Jackson and Perkins

And the Knicks/Thunder give the Jazz whatever is reasonable...something like Smith, Prigioni and a couple 2nds.

Knicks get a pg, Jazz get mins for Gorbert, and OKC gets a nice C and backup pg

[kurple]

And the Knicks/Thunder give the Jazz whatever is reasonable...something like Smith, Prigioni and a couple 2nds.

where is the reasonable part? that trash for Kanter?

[sundizz]

I don't get the hate. He is good. His team is dysfunctional because of a coach that doesn't know how to get them to understand team > individual when it comes to playing hoops the right way. He could and should be an awesome pg off the bench. Right now he just does wtv he thinks he should do - because their team has such weak principles.

[magmo68]

yep

[strifed169]

Why is he getting shit? afaik he's averaging ok numbers, is he pulling a Kobe or what?

[chocolatethunder]

Maybe it's a little too soon to give up on Reggie and prefer Dion at this point, but this has been building up most of the season. I mean there were visible frustrations with Reggie from teammates in November while Durant and Westbrook were injured. And Reggie just hasn't been very good this year. Like I said, his shot selection has been terrible, he's settling for way too many pull-up and stepback jumpers, and he's starting to abandon his crafty and reliable attack, floater/runner game; and he's always been a terrible defender.

Waiters isn't nearly as good of a defender as Roberson, but he's at least on Reggie's level as an offensive player, if not better. Maybe the change of scenery will help Dion. I mean he was quoted tonight saying,

Sometimes a change of scenery can be good for a player and it can change their attitude and outlook. I'm not saying that's definitively the case for Dion. It's too soon to tell. But by the trade deadline we should have a pretty good idea who's more valuable to OKC between Reggie and Waiters.
I have not seen many OKC games this year but I've seen almost every Cleveland game (not a cleveland fan just curious how it would work out). Anyway, trust me, Waiters is a disaster. All the negatives you say about Jackson, you're just describing Waiters. He is so bad. He's like JR Smith but can't shoot as well (although Smith has been awful this year). His D is as bad as it gets. He's a total jerk. This honeymoon won't last long.

[russwest0]

So glad we picked up Waiters. A much better fit for this team than RJ.

[Fudge]

Good.

He should have been sent to the Knicks anyways.

[Lebron23]

In before Reggie turns into the next James Harden, but seriously the guy wants to be the number one option in the NBA.