View Full Version : Demarcus Cousins deserves the MVP
That dude is a fvcking beast.
24/12/3 on 49% shooting and 80% from the line. He leads the league in DReb%, and the Kings are a ridiculous +19.5 points per 100 possessions better with him ON the court.
Per36 numbers:
Davis - 24ppg, 10.6rpg, 2.9bpg, 1.6apg
Gasol - 20.6ppg, 8.5rpg, 3.9apg
Howard - 19.2 ppg, 12.8rpg, 1.8bpg
Cousins - 25.9ppg, 13.5rpg, 3.2apg, 1.7bpg
Cousins is the best center in the league. Enough of this Gasol garbage.
Shih508
01-10-2015, 02:17 AM
What's King's record?
sirkeelma
01-10-2015, 02:19 AM
15 Win - 21 Loss
12th seed in the West
k0kakw0rld
01-10-2015, 02:21 AM
That dude is a fvcking beast.
24/12/3 on 49% shooting and 80% from the line. He leads the league in DReb%, and the Kings are a ridiculous +19.5 points per 100 possessions better with him ON the court.
Per36 numbers:
Davis - 24ppg, 10.6rpg, 2.9bpg, 1.6apg
Gasol - 20.6ppg, 8.5rpg, 3.9apg
Howard - 19.2 ppg, 12.8rpg, 1.8bpg
Cousins - 25.9ppg, 13.5rpg, 3.2apg, 1.7bpg
Cousins is the best center in the league. Enough of this Gasol garbage.
If Rose won in 2011, Curry needs to win this year too. Best player on the best team. nuffa said. Deal with it. :pimp:
nba_55
01-10-2015, 02:27 AM
15 Win - 21 Loss
12th seed in the West
Mvp is given to 1 player, not to a team. Huge difference between kings with cousins and without cousins.
kurple
01-10-2015, 02:28 AM
nurkic giving it to cousins tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzdUMszO9Mo#t=163
Shih508
01-10-2015, 02:37 AM
Mvp is given to 1 player, not to a team. Huge difference between kings with cousins and without cousins.
empty stats if it doens't translate into team success
oarabbus
01-10-2015, 02:46 AM
What's King's record?
You know the Kings went on a losing streak when Demarcus was out for a month with meningitis right?
He has a strong MVP case along with Curry and Harden
empty stats if it doens't translate into team success
If he averaged 85, 40, and 30, but they still lost, would you just pretend like he's not good, or no?
MVP is most valuable player. Player.
I know how its voted on now, which is stupid, but Cousins is the best big man in the league. I would take him over anybody other than maybe Harden, Durant, Davis, Westbrook and Curry to start a franchise.
Best offensive center in the league
oarabbus
01-10-2015, 02:48 AM
nurkic giving it to cousins tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzdUMszO9Mo#t=163
Cousins went 32-13... I was watching the Warriors game but Cousins was clearly going off against whoever was guarding him
JohnFreeman
01-10-2015, 02:53 AM
Our record stinks
oarabbus
01-10-2015, 02:56 AM
Our record stinks
You guys need a better coach
Like Mike Malone or someone
hawksdogsbraves
01-10-2015, 03:41 AM
I love Boogie, but nobody on a team that can't sniff the playoffs is winning MVP. That's just the way it is.
kurple
01-10-2015, 03:45 AM
Cousins went 32-13... I was watching the Warriors game but Cousins was clearly going off against whoever was guarding him
Cousins dominated Hickson, but he wasnt close to taking over the game when Nurk was playing
bluechox2
01-10-2015, 03:51 AM
kings need to get rid of gay
Pushxx
01-10-2015, 04:14 AM
http://i.imgur.com/vN77zdX.gifv
That guy deserves MVP? :D
They Won
01-10-2015, 06:44 AM
You know the Kings went on a losing streak when Demarcus was out for a month with meningitis right?
He has a strong MVP case along with Curry and Harden
That was also when the owner decided to play coach and fired the old one. No way that helped their record.
http://i.imgur.com/vN77zdX.gifv
That guy deserves MVP? :D
Even MVP's turn the ball over on occasion.
Magic731
01-10-2015, 07:29 AM
No he does not deserve the MVP. His record is simply not good enough. And if you say that's because he missed a month, well there's another reason he doesn't deserve it. He's already missed a month.
No he does not deserve the MVP. His record is simply not good enough. And if you say that's because he missed a month, well there's another reason he doesn't deserve it. He's already missed a month.
His record? I believe his record is 0-0 as Cuz vs the Blazers probably wouldn't end well for him.
But I ask you the same question as I asked what'shisface, if Cuz averaged 85, 40, 20 per game and his team was 0-82, would he deserve an MVP award? I think so.
deja vu
01-10-2015, 07:42 AM
His record? I believe his record is 0-0 as Cuz vs the Blazers probably wouldn't end well for him.
But I ask you the same question as I asked what'shisface, if Cuz averaged 85, 40, 20 per game and his team was 0-82, would he deserve an MVP award? I think so.
No because that means he can't lead a team to success. He would be like Kevin empty stats Love but even worse.
Element
01-10-2015, 07:43 AM
His record? I believe his record is 0-0 as Cuz vs the Blazers probably wouldn't end well for him.
But I ask you the same question as I asked what'shisface, if Cuz averaged 85, 40, 20 per game and his team was 0-82, would he deserve an MVP award? I think so.
No, he wouldn't. He'd deserve the scoring title, rebounding title and assists title, as well as a 1st team All-NBA spot but no MVP. The "most valuable" thing to any team is a win. How can you say Cousins added any value if his team went 0-82?
If you're averaging 80 points your team has zero offensive flow, and that, regardless of how bad your teammates are, isn't good if carried out over 82 games. Single game explosions are different.
Magic731
01-10-2015, 07:47 AM
His record? I believe his record is 0-0 as Cuz vs the Blazers probably wouldn't end well for him.
But I ask you the same question as I asked what'shisface, if Cuz averaged 85, 40, 20 per game and his team was 0-82, would he deserve an MVP award? I think so.
If Cousins averaged that, his team would not be 0-82. You are giving me an irrational, borderline impossible scenario. What he might average is irrelevant. All that matters is what he does average and his teams record and those two factors does not show MVP to me.
Team success has always been attatched to winning mvp. So you can create these wacky scenerios all you want. I think the only mvp winner who didn't have a great record was jabbar with Milw.
Cousins doesn't deserve mvp it's Jan and he missed time. Cousins won't win MVP. I bet money on that. He is a beast he can be considered the best center.
If Cousins averaged that, his team would not be 0-82. You are giving me an irrational, borderline impossible scenario. What he might average is irrelevant. All that matters is what he does average and his teams record and those two factors does not show MVP to me.
I have to, because I want to know what the cut off point is from being 'empty stats' to being MVP.
So because his team is garbage, he's not the most valuable player? What justification is that?
Winning is the goal, but nobody would argue that Matt Bonner is more valuable then Demarcus Cousins, despite the number of wins or titles 'he' has.
Unfortunately, people like you believe the most valuable player has to come from one of the teams with the best records. Because you're on a winning roster doesn't make you valuable. You could replace Curry with several other guards and their record would be similar. No other center in the league could have a winning record with Cousins supporting cast. That to me is valuable.
andremiller07
01-10-2015, 09:02 AM
You have to be out of your ****ing mind, dude since he came back has been complete trash putting up empty stats as you can get.
He just gave a career night to Nurkic and before that he gave career nights to Cole Aldrich/Sullinger and Mason Plumlee.
Dude has been playing like Josh Smith 2.0 and a complete bitch since Mike Malone got fired. Nuggets wrecked us today cause Cousins dumbass was seattling for jumpers while Nurkic was just bullying him in the paint cause he refuses to play D.
The Kings are shit cause of Cousins/Gay inability to stop playing selfish no defense basketball (which was not the case the first 15 games). They keep freezing out Darren Collison (who can be a beast when given a chance) and Ben Mclemore
Put up all the stats you want whatever him and Gay are doing is not working in terms of getting the team wins and that's all that matters.
andremiller07
01-10-2015, 09:05 AM
Cousins went 32-13... I was watching the Warriors game but Cousins was clearly going off against whoever was guarding him
90% of which came when the game was completely over, when the game was in the balance he was 7-20 (or close to it) and gave up 16 point to Nurkic.
Numbers lie, watching the game doesn't.
90% of which came when the game was completely over, when the game was in the balance he was 7-20 (or close to it) and gave up 16 point to Nurkic.
Numbers lie, watching the game doesn't.
And the night before when he dropped 23 and 15 with 4 dimes and three blocks and the kings beat OKC by 21? Was he playing like shit then too? He shot horribly, but he also controlled the paint on both ends of the floor.
You're talking one game. You can cherry pick bad games of Jordan's.
Fact is, swap Curry with Paul, Westbrook, Parker, Lillard, Lowry, or Conley and the warriors are still a top 3 team in the west, and that's not really debatable. Swap Cousins with any center, any big man in the entire NBA, and they don't have half the wins (7). That, also, is not really debatable.
They're 13-12 with Cousins, and 2-9 without, at one point losing 17 games in a row he doesn't play. So yeah, Mr. Game Watcher, if he's not responsible for their success cause hes not worthy of MVP chatter, then who is? I'll do you one better, replace Cousins with any player, not just big men, and tell me they'd have that team at 13-12. Not happening.
sd3035
01-10-2015, 09:48 AM
15-23 record, 12th in the west. Among centers, he is number one in turnovers per game and not even in the top 50 in fg percentage
An MVP he is not
Shih508
01-10-2015, 10:48 AM
If he averaged 85, 40, and 30, but they still lost, would you just pretend like he's not good, or no?
MVP is most valuable player. Player.
I know how its voted on now, which is stupid, but Cousins is the best big man in the league. I would take him over anybody other than maybe Harden, Durant, Davis, Westbrook and Curry to start a franchise.
You act like Cousin is averaging something like 40 pt 20 reb a game. Cousin's stats are good but not like that good. With just good enough stats, his team record says other wise so he's no MVP.
You act like Cousin is averaging something like 40 pt 20 reb a game. Cousin's stats are good but not like that good. With just good enough stats, his team record says other wise so he's no MVP.
His season averages have been accomplished zero times in the last 12 years (that would be, nobody has put up his season stats in over a decade), by 3 different players in the last 20 years, six different players in the last 35. All six of those (Garnett, Shaq, Duncan, Robinson, Olajuwon, Barkely) will be hall of famers.
Yeah, his stats are that good.
artificial
01-10-2015, 11:26 AM
Cousins may be the best center in the league, I could actually agree with that. I don't think he has been the most dominant player in the league this season, but let's put that aside.
MVP is associated to team wins, and that has nothing to do with whatever you or anyone thinks or believes. If you've been watching NBA for more than a year you should know that.
So yes, even if you have a terrific player, if he is on a bad team he will more than likely never, ever win MVP.
turret
01-10-2015, 12:57 PM
And the night before when he dropped 23 and 15 with 4 dimes and three blocks and the kings beat OKC by 21? Was he playing like shit then too? He shot horribly, but he also controlled the paint on both ends of the floor.
Boogie drew fouls damn near every possesion. He owned the paint, as he should be
But....Collison smoked westbrook that night. He was more of the win factor than boogie.
I dont know what the hell is up with Gay/Cousins, but they need to un fk themselves and hug it out. Recently they look like OKC rudderless ISO bs.
Bring back Malone, or hire Karl. Tyrone back to the minors
Cousins may be the best center in the league, I could actually agree with that. I don't think he has been the most dominant player in the league this season, but let's put that aside.
MVP is associated to team wins, and that has nothing to do with whatever you or anyone thinks or believes. If you've been watching NBA for more than a year you should know that.
So yes, even if you have a terrific player, if he is on a bad team he will more than likely never, ever win MVP.
Common sense unfortunaly not so common
Cousins may be the best center in the league, I could actually agree with that. I don't think he has been the most dominant player in the league this season, but let's put that aside.
MVP is associated to team wins, and that has nothing to do with whatever you or anyone thinks or believes. If you've been watching NBA for more than a year you should know that.
So yes, even if you have a terrific player, if he is on a bad team he will more than likely never, ever win MVP.
Sad. Like I said, you could replace Curry with several other PG's and the Warriors are still an elite team.
You can't replace Cousins with any center, or any player for that matter, and they have the record they do with him on the court.
To me, that is valuable. When you do something nobody else in the league can do, that is valuable. When you do something several other people could do, that's not valuable.
Honestly, Paul, Westbrook, Lowry, Conley, Lillard, Parker, any of those six could step right into Curry's spot, and probably not miss a beat. In essence, Curry is replaceable, by other point guards.
Shame, by season's end, 95% of the MVP voting is looking at the standings and rewarding a player for a team's accomplishment.
andremiller07
01-10-2015, 07:16 PM
Sad. Like I said, you could replace Curry with several other PG's and the Warriors are still an elite team.
You can't replace Cousins with any center, or any player for that matter, and they have the record they do with him on the court.
To me, that is valuable. When you do something nobody else in the league can do, that is valuable. When you do something several other people could do, that's not valuable.
Honestly, Paul, Westbrook, Lowry, Conley, Lillard, Parker, any of those six could step right into Curry's spot, and probably not miss a beat. In essence, Curry is replaceable, by other point guards.
Shame, by season's end, 95% of the MVP voting is looking at the standings and rewarding a player for a team's accomplishment.
You don't know that, we see all the time in the NBA when a really talented player goes down a team gets better. All these hypotheticals don't mean shit it's what is actually going on.
The whole argument put player A on player B's team and players B's team is now better is complete shit. Cousins was impressive his first 15 games since than he's been dreadful and has actually lost the team a number of games.
James Harden without Dwight and a number of key players took a way less talented Houston team (at the time cause of the injuries) to like a 11-2 record that's what MVP's do not 13-12.
QuebecBaller
01-10-2015, 08:39 PM
Cousins is not the MVP, he's the OVP of his team (Only Valuable Player)
You don't know that, we see all the time in the NBA when a really talented player goes down a team gets better. All these hypotheticals don't mean shit it's what is actually going on.
The whole argument put player A on player B's team and players B's team is now better is complete shit. Cousins was impressive his first 15 games since than he's been dreadful and has actually lost the team a number of games.
James Harden without Dwight and a number of key players took a way less talented Houston team (at the time cause of the injuries) to like a 11-2 record that's what MVP's do not 13-12.
You think if you swapped Curry for Paul, or Lowry, or Conley, or Parker, they are that much worse?
Since Cousins has come back, he's averaged 24, 12, 4. If that's dreadful, I would like to see your expectation of outstanding.
Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis two players you can replace Cousins with and see the same results. What are you talking about? Take off the Kentucky blinders please.
JohnFreeman
01-10-2015, 09:50 PM
Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis two players you can replace Cousins with and see the same results. What are you talking about? Take off the Kentucky blinders please.
Howard would struggle offensively, Cousins a good free throw shooter.
Harden is the MVP so far
Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis two players you can replace Cousins with and see the same results. What are you talking about? Take off the Kentucky blinders please.
If I had Kentucky blinders on, I would have suggested you could have replaced Cousins with Davis, guy. They both went to Kentucky.
And no, Howard in Cousins place, really? You really believe that?
FireDavidKahn
01-10-2015, 10:05 PM
Not even as good as love last year.:facepalm
Yes I really believe that. Not even a big Dwight fan but the Kings aren't doing anything anazing with Cousins. So what's this idea that he is Shaq jr with them?
Add Marc Gasol and Tim Duncan who might win DPOY. Make no mistake I like cousins and in hindsight wish my sixers took him. And I would take him in philly but that isn't saying much. But he's not as irreplaceable as you think. They lost last night despite beast performance. At home no less. Gave up 118. For a guy who can't be replaced and should be mvp irregardless of record? Come on.
And yeah you got me with Kentucky blinders call out. Still think you're being a homer tho.
Howard would struggle offensively, Cousins a good free throw shooter.
Harden is the MVP so far
No he wouldn't struggle offensively. Stop the nonsense.
JohnFreeman
01-10-2015, 10:10 PM
Yes I really believe that. Not even a big Dwight fan but the Kings aren't doing anything anazing with Cousins. So what's this idea that he is Shaq jr with them?
Add Marc Gasol and Tim Duncan who might win DPOY. Make no mistake I like cousins and in hindsight wish my sixers took him. And I would take him in philly but that isn't saying much. But he's not as irreplaceable as you think. They lost last night despite beast performance. At home no less. Gave up 118. For a guy who can't be replaced and should be mvp irregardless of record? Come on.
And yeah you got me with Kentucky blinders call out. Still think you're being a homer tho.
No he wouldn't struggle offensively. Stop the nonsense.
Yeah, but you're wrong.
Shih508
01-10-2015, 10:10 PM
His season averages have been accomplished zero times in the last 12 years (that would be, nobody has put up his season stats in over a decade), by 3 different players in the last 20 years, six different players in the last 35. All six of those (Garnett, Shaq, Duncan, Robinson, Olajuwon, Barkely) will be hall of famers.
Yeah, his stats are that good.
by what margin? if 0.x assist more and 1 or 2 ppg more, is really that big of difference? we aren't talking like he's averaging 35pt 20reb and 8ass for a big man. If he's averaging like that he should be mvp regardless of the record. The truth is those stats is only marginally better at best while having way worse record and for the team exceed no one's expectation record-wise.
I'd exchange a 0.x assist for higher fg % and few more blocks for a big man.
Yeah, but you're wrong.
Howard avg 17-18ppg he doesn't need to avg 23 like cousins. A guy like rudy Gay could score more with Dwight. So I don't see why you mentioned harden offense or him being the mvp of the team. Irrelevant much?
alenleomessi
01-10-2015, 10:18 PM
So did Kevin Love all those years.. right
JohnFreeman
01-10-2015, 10:18 PM
Howard avg 17-18ppg he doesn't need to avg 23 like cousins. A guy like rudy Gay could score more with Dwight. So I don't see why you mentioned harden offense or him being the mvp of the team. Irrelevant much?
When did I mention "Harden offense"? Watch teams hack Dwight if he is on the Kings, dude can't post up a dummy
When did I mention "Harden offense"? Watch teams hack Dwight if he is on the Kings, dude can't post up a dummy
What are the kings doing now with cousins that they couldn't do with Dwight. That's all you need to post about. And you didn't mention harden offense. Actually arguing with someone elsewhere about harden and mixed the two.
JohnFreeman
01-10-2015, 10:23 PM
What are the kings doing now with cousins that they couldn't do with Dwight. That's all you need to post about. And you didn't mention harden offense. Actually arguing with someone elsewhere about harden and mixed the two.
The way the Kings are built, they need a big who can shoot jumpers and post up. I would love the Kings to trade Cousins so he can go and do something with his talent
The way the Kings are built, they need a big who can shoot jumpers and post up. I would love the Kings to trade Cousins so he can go and do something with his talent
Where would you like to see him go to do that?
JohnFreeman
01-10-2015, 10:28 PM
Where would you like to see him go to do that?
Spurs
Milbuck
01-10-2015, 10:31 PM
Spurs
Spurs would be nice but first team that came to mind was the Hawks. Shooters everywhere, elite spacing, ball movement, great PG feeding him, twin towers with Horford, nice winning culture developing..and most importantly, elite coach to consistently motivate him and put him in the best position to succeed..dude would feast on the league with the Hawks.
JohnFreeman
01-10-2015, 10:32 PM
Spurs would be nice but first team that came to mind was the Hawks. Shooters everywhere, elite spacing, ball movement, great PG feeding him, twin towers with Horford, nice winning culture developing..and most importantly, elite coach to consistently motivate him and put him in the best position to succeed..dude would feast on the league with the Hawks.
Yeah Hawks would be great. Just thinking of the Kawhi + Cousins future
RoseCity07
01-10-2015, 11:25 PM
I'd say yes if his team was winning.
andremiller07
01-10-2015, 11:41 PM
You think if you swapped Curry for Paul, or Lowry, or Conley, or Parker, they are that much worse?
Since Cousins has come back, he's averaged 24, 12, 4. If that's dreadful, I would like to see your expectation of outstanding.
Again your bringing up stats that don't mean anything, he lost us the game against the Celtics/Pistons/Nuggets all sub 500. teams due to chucking and letting his man score at will. In two of the 3 wins he was not even our best player it was Darren Collison , Cousins only dominated the shithouse Lakers.
We also lost to the Bucks (decent team but crap by West Standards)/Nets (sub 500.).
Tell me what's impressive about that?
andremiller07
01-10-2015, 11:43 PM
The way the Kings are built, they need a big who can shoot jumpers and post up. I would love the Kings to trade Cousins so he can go and do something with his talent
That's the biggest issue is that he's taking jumpers, if he stopped taking jumpers he would be a much better player/teammate that's been the problem his entire career and the only time he didn't chuck was when we were actually winning at the start of the year.
26 points, 13 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 steals, 3 blocks in a 30 point win.
There's no question he's the best C in the league, but the dude deserves some MVP love.
19pt win*
They were up 98-71 when Cuz checked out with about 6 minutes to play.
32 points, 16 rebounds, 9 assists in regulation
VengefulAngel
01-14-2015, 01:30 AM
32 points, 16 rebounds, 9 assists in regulation
Why don't you mention the 9 turnovers as well?
Why don't you mention the 9 turnovers as well?
OK... 9 TO, 9 assists.
32 and 16 in regulation. Sound any less dominant?
JohnFreeman
01-14-2015, 01:47 AM
Why don't you mention the 9 turnovers as well?
6 to
JohnFreeman
01-14-2015, 01:48 AM
espn wrong
goldcrow
01-14-2015, 01:50 AM
OK... 9 TO, 9 assists.
32 and 16 in regulation. Sound any less dominant?
DeMarcus "Empty Stats" Cousins. Dominant game but loses. :lol
VengefulAngel
01-14-2015, 01:51 AM
espn wrong
Kk, I was watching the Cav's and Heat games.
DeMarcus "Empty Stats" Cousins. Dominant game but loses. :lol
He was fouled out.
Didnt play OT. You're right, he should have scored 40 instead. Scrub.
Relinquish
01-14-2015, 03:38 AM
Cousins is without a doubt the best center in the league. This is coming from an unbiased Wiz/Terps fan.
oarabbus
01-14-2015, 03:39 AM
How the **** are people hating on this guy?
How the **** are people hating on this guy?
He doesn't do enough! Don't you get it? If he was truly the best center in the league, his team would be winning.
/sarcasm.
Relinquish
01-14-2015, 04:05 AM
How the **** are people hating on this guy?
Because the media painted him as a crybaby loser who can't control his emotions, and the idiots on this site actually believe that drivel.
Last 10 games:
24.9 ppg
12.7 rpg
4.2 apg
Tonight, he's got 17, 10, 4 heading into the fourth quarter.
Shih508
01-17-2015, 01:10 AM
Last 10 games:
24.9 ppg
12.7 rpg
4.2 apg
Tonight, he's got 17, 10, 4 heading into the fourth quarter.
Empty stats. His team is being blown out!
Empty stats. His team is being blown out!
Cause his team sucks :lol
Jason effin Thompson starts for them.
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