Michael "Empty Stats" Jordan

[Marchesk]

*Caveat: MJ is GOAT

86/87 Bulls 40-42
2013/14 Wolves 40-42

MJ: 29.8 PER
Love: 26.9 PER

MJ: 37.1/5.2/4.6 on 48.5%
Love: 26.1/12.5/4.4 on 50.2%

Both played in stacked conferences.

Someone explain to me why Love is empty.

[VengefulAngel]

*Caveat: MJ is GOAT

86/87 Bulls 40-42
2013/14 Wolves 40-42

MJ: 29.8 PER
Love: 26.9 PER

MJ: 37.1/5.2/4.6 on 48.5%
Love: 26.1/12.5/4.4 on 50.2%

Both played in stacked conferences.

Someone explain to me why Love is empty.

FG% wasn't 50.2%, it was 45.7%...

[Lebron23]

*Caveat: MJ is GOAT

86/87 Bulls 40-42
2013/14 Wolves 40-42

MJ: 29.8 PER
Love: 26.9 PER

MJ: 37.1/5.2/4.6 on 48.5%
Love: 26.1/12.5/4.4 on 50.2%

Both played in stacked conferences.

Someone explain to me why Love is empty.


http://i.imgur.com/V1Gg5Gw.gif

[Marchesk]

FG% wasn't 50.2%, it was 45.7%...

You're right, was looking at 2P%. That's a lot of threes for a PF.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Didn't the Bulls make the playoffs that year?

Either way, that stuff is stripped once you are a proven winner. If Love starts winning championships, no one is going to call him empty stats.

[Marchesk]

Didn't the Bulls make the playoffs that year?

Either way, that stuff is stripped once you are a proven winner. If Love starts winning championships, no one is going to call him empty stats.

They did make the playoffs. And you're right, although if the Cavs win titles, people will say that Love is just in a supporting role to Lebron.

[Marchesk]

Both are overrated by their fans.. but to be fair in this comparison, this is 3rd year MJ vs 6th year Kevin Love. By MJ's 7th season he won it all and that was the start of the Bulls dynasty.

True, but nobody is going to argue that Love is better than MJ. The point is that if Jordan was in his third season today putting up those stats on a 40 win team that missed the playoffs, his detractors would be saying the same thing they say about Love.

Granted, MJ's game was different.

[Nash]

inb4 op feels rage of 3ball

[PieceOfFelt]

*Caveat: MJ is GOAT

86/87 Bulls 40-42
2013/14 Wolves 40-42

MJ: 29.8 PER
Love: 26.9 PER

MJ: 37.1/5.2/4.6 on 48.5%
Love: 26.1/12.5/4.4 on 50.2%

Both played in stacked conferences.

Someone explain to me why Love is empty.

Do you know who was on that Bulls team you stupid ****? The next best player on that team was a raw Charles Oakley in his second year.That team had next to no talent and they had to go against the likes of the Boston Celtics, Detroit Pistons and Milwaukee Bucks. That team winning 40 games is a miracle considering how worthless the roster was.

[HOoopCityJones]

Worst thread on ISH.

[Im so nba'd out]

What you gonna say next op that Jesus had "empty blessings".This may go down as the worst thread ever

[Marchesk]

Do you know who was on that Bulls team you stupid ****? The next best player on that team was a raw Charles Oakley in his second year.That team had next to no talent and they had to go against the likes of the Boston Celtics, Detroit Pistons and Milwaukee Bucks. That team winning 40 games is a miracle considering how worthless the roster was.

So who did the Wolves have on their team that was so good last season? I'm not saying that Jordan's stats were empty. I'm questioning why Love's were considered empty.

Anyway, we can go back to Jordan's rookie season when he had a teammate in Woolridge who average nearly 23 ppg. They still only won 38 games. Again, I'm not saying Jordan's excellent rookie season was full of empty stats. I'm just questioning why that sort of thing is said about Love.

[Marchesk]

What you gonna say next op that Jesus had "empty blessings".This may go down as the worst thread ever

Uh, yeah. Or do you think he actually raised the dead?

[VIP2000]

So who did the Wolves have on their team that was so good last season? I'm not saying that Jordan's stats were empty. I'm questioning why Love's were considered empty.

Anyway, we can go back to Jordan's rookie season when he had a teammate in Woolridge who average nearly 23 ppg. They still only won 38 games. Again, I'm not saying Jordan's excellent rookie season was full of empty stats. I'm just questioning why that sort of thing is said about Love.

Love had Kevin Martin and Pekovic. Granted, both are flawed players but if KG can bring a team with Szczerbiak as his #2 option into the playoffs, then Love should at least be able to do the same.

[T_L_P]

Kevin Love was a top 5 player in the league last season.

[Marchesk]

Love had Kevin Martin and Pekovic. Granted, both are flawed players but if KG can bring a team with Szczerbiak as his #2 option into the playoffs, then Love should at least be able to do the same.

But is it that his stats are deceptive, or that he lacks on the defensive end, unlike Garnett?

[VIP2000]

But is it that his stats are deceptive, or that he lacks on the defensive end, unlike Garnett?

Probably the latter. We all know Love can score but he's barely average (if that) on the defensive end. He needs to be paired with someone like Asik or Tyson Chandler.

[3ball]

And you're right, although if the Cavs win titles, people will say that Love is just in a supporting role to Lebron.


exactly...love could never win a championship in the leading role... whereas jordan was 6/6 - that's the best anyone has ever done in the leading role... :confusedshrug:

[jzek]

Someone explain to me why Love is empty.

Love would purposely miss easy/wide open layups so he can get another rebound. Jordan never did anything of the sort. He always wanted to win, not pad his stats.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

love could never win a championship in the leading role

:facepalm

[mehyaM24]

op is right. he isn't comparing jordan to klove as PLAYERS, but off results. the only difference being that jordan's team made the postseason with a below .500 record

[3ball]

the only difference being that jordan's team made the postseason with a below .500 record


and won 6 championships.

all these arguments to downgrade jordan are by guys that never saw him play - they simply can't believe the best player ever came along 25 years ago, instead of playing today.

that's why you have guys like flpiii, who have done some research on their lunch break, and voila!!!!... what do you know!!!!.. turns out we all missed something back then that's been flying over our heads for 20 years!!!!... jordan wasn't the best player in 1993 after all... who knew?... thank flpiii, we all owe you a solid for solving the mystery.

[Straight_Ballin]

Why is anyone worrying about what Cleveland is going to do? Even the hometown fans know that they will never win a chip. That city lost hope a long time ago and they don't have any expectations because they don't want to be let down. Honestly at this juncture, Bron leaving CLE wouldn't even be much of a shock to them. You are talking about a city that freezes their asses off tailgating at BROWNS games who haven't done shit since Kevin Mack was snorting lines of coke, and even then they still didn't win it all.

[Scal]

Back then people did feel that Jordan put up great stats that didn't impact the result of the game. It was definitely a common criticism. That's the short story. The novelisation would say he used those criticisms as fuel to prove them wrong, and obviously winning 6 championships (w/ Finals MVP) definitely helps that narrative.

[Take Your Lumps]

Kevin Love holds the emptiest stat of all: playoff appearances.

[MJistheGOAT]

I think OP doesnt consider DEFENSE, nor PLAYOFFS appearances in this. Awful analogy.

Also FG% of a SG > PF???

Flawed.

[oarabbus]

and won 6 championships.

all these arguments to downgrade jordan are by guys that never saw him play - they simply can't believe the best player ever came along 25 years ago, instead of playing today.

that's why you have guys like flpiii, who have done some research on their lunch break, and voila!!!!... what do you know!!!!.. turns out we all missed something back then that's been flying over our heads for 20 years!!!!... jordan wasn't the best player in 1993 after all... who knew?... thank flpiii, we all owe you a solid for solving the mystery.

The first words Marchesk wrote in this topic is "Caveat: Jordan is GOAT" you down syndrome motherfu**er.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Never ... go ... full ... retard

[SugarHill]

The first words Marchesk wrote in this topic is "Caveat: Jordan is GOAT" you down syndrome motherfu**er.
:roll:

[Megabox!]

The first words Marchesk wrote in this topic is "Caveat: Jordan is GOAT" you down syndrome motherfu**er.
:lol

[Spurs5Rings2014]

The first words Marchesk wrote in this topic is "Caveat: Jordan is GOAT" you down syndrome motherfu**er.

:lol

[3ball]

The first words Marchesk wrote in this topic is "Caveat: Jordan is GOAT" you down syndrome motherfu**er.
was i responding to the OP or was i responding to mehyta?

i was responding to meyhta... so stfu

learn to read... just like most americans... no reading comprehension... just dumb dumb dumb

[navy]

was i responding to the OP or was i responding to mehyta?

i was responding to meyhta... so stfu

learn to read... just like most americans... no reading comprehension... just dumb dumb dumb
Interesting. Where are you from?

[mehyaM24]

and won 6 championships.

all these arguments to downgrade jordan are by guys that never saw him play - they simply can't believe the best player ever came along 25 years ago, instead of playing today.

that's why you have guys like flpiii, who have done some research on their lunch break, and voila!!!!... what do you know!!!!.. turns out we all missed something back then that's been flying over our heads for 20 years!!!!... jordan wasn't the best player in 1993 after all... who knew?... thank flpiii, we all owe you a solid for solving the mystery.
i dont care about any of this. just a bunch of fandom noise to me.

i was only referencing that particular season the OP mentioned. once again, similar results other than jordan's team making the playoffs with a MINUS .500 record.

[TheMan]

OP needs a good skull fvcking

[R.I.P.]

Typed Empty Stats into Google got picture of Kevin Love.

Typed Basketball GOAT into Google got four pictures of actuals goats and Michael Jordan.







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[Marchesk]

Back then people did feel that Jordan put up great stats that didn't impact the result of the game. It was definitely a common criticism. That's the short story. The novelisation would say he used those criticisms as fuel to prove them wrong, and obviously winning 6 championships (w/ Finals MVP) definitely helps that narrative.

Right, I recall pre-championship Jordan being considered the best individual talent, but not the same kind of team player and winner that Magic and Bird were. Of course they had better teammates and coaching, but that was the narrative.

[Nikola_]

Why is Wilt stan talking about empty stats

[Marchesk]

I think OP doesnt consider DEFENSE, nor PLAYOFFS appearances in this. Awful analogy.

Also FG% of a SG > PF???

Flawed.

Sometimes 40 wins gets you in, and sometimes it doesn't. Depends on the depth of the conference.

Anyway, I'm not comparing Love's sixth season to Jordan's third season. What I am saying is that even the GOAT scoring 37 a game only resulted in 40 wins when his team was bad. Wilt had a similar season. If you don't have the right team and coaching around you, then there is only so much one player can do for a team.

This is all about Love, man. MJ is just a means.

[LAZERUSS]

Why is Wilt stan talking about empty stats

Same thing with "brick-job" Bird, who took stacked teams down in flames with HCA SEVEN times. Jerry "Mr. Klutz" West...NINE Finals...ONE ring. And how about the king of "empty stats", "Mr. First Round Exit" himself, Hakeem Olajuwon?

So, give us your definition of "empty stats." Is it MJ taking averaging 44 ppg in a series in which his team was swept by a 67-15 Celtic team? Is it West averaging 38 ppg in a Finals, and his team losing a game seven by two points? Is it Kareem's '77 WCF's, when he just obliterated Walton, but his team was swept?

Go ahead...educate all of his here.

[Marchesk]

Why is Wilt stan talking about empty stats

Have Wilt play his entire career for Boston instead. Could have happened if Red had convinced him to go to a New England college so the Celtics would have owned the right to take him as a territorial pick.